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Urban Outfitters, Inc. (URBN)

Q2 2016 Earnings Call· Mon, Aug 17, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the Urban Outfitters, Inc. Second Quarter Fiscal 2016 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce Oona McCullough, Director of Investor Relations. Ms. McCullough, you may begin.

Oona McCullough

Analyst

Good afternoon. And welcome to the URBN second quarter fiscal 2016 conference call. Earlier this afternoon, the company issued a press release outlining the financial and operating results for the three and six-month period ending July 31, 2015. The following discussions may include forward-looking statements. Please note that actual results may differ materially from those statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from projected results is contained in the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We will begin today’s call with Frank Conforti, our Chief Financial Officer, who will provide financial highlights for the second quarter. Dave Hayne, Chief Operating Officer, Free People Brand will provide a brief update on the Free People Brand. Richard Hayne, our Chief Executive Officer, will then comment on our broader strategic initiatives. Following that, we will be pleased to address your questions. As usual, the text of today’s conference call will be posted to our corporate website at www.urbanoutfittersinc.com. I’ll now turn the call over to Frank.

Frank Conforti

Analyst

Thank you, Oona, and Good afternoon, everyone. I will start my prepared commentary discussing our recently completed fiscal year 2016 second quarter results versus the prior comparable quarter. Then I will share our thoughts concerning our current quarter. Total company sales for the quarter increased by 7% to a second quarter record of $867 million. This sales increase was driven by a 4% retail segment comp, a $15 million increase in non-comparable sales, including the opening of four net new stores and 21% growth in wholesale sales. Please note that currency translation negatively impacted our sales growth rate, by approximately 165 basis points for the quarter. Within our retail segment comp, the direct-to-consumer channel continued to outperform stores posting positive gains driven by increases in sessions, average order value and session conversion. Negative comp store sales, resulted from decreased transactions and units per transaction, partially offset by higher average unit selling prices. By brand, our retail segment comp rate increased by 14%, 4% and 2% at Free People, Urban Outfitters and the Anthropologie Group, respectively. This marks the third quarter in a row all brands have posted positive retail segment comp sales growth, the 13th quarter Free People has posted double-digit comp gains and the 12th quarter in a row Anthropologie has posted positive comp sales gains. Our URBN Retail segment comp was strongest in May followed by June and July, which came in fairly consistent with each other. Free People Wholesale delivered another strong quarter as sales grew 21% to $72 million. These results came from double-digit sales growth at department stores, partially driven by the success of our category expansion, namely Intimately Free and Free People Shoes. Now moving back to total URBN results, gross profit for the quarter was up 5% versus the prior comparable quarter to…

Dave Hayne

Analyst

Thank you Frank, and good afternoon everyone. It’s a pleasure to be speaking with you today. I’m excited to provide an update on the positive momentum at Free People in the second quarter. Last year on this call, we started off by discussing a record-setting quarter and I’m very pleased to do the same today. The Free People brand achieved a consolidated second quarter revenue record with a 20% top line increase over last year. These results were driven by a strong retail segment comp of 14% and continued robust growth of 21% from the wholesale segment. This performance is even more exciting when viewed on a two-year basis, where second quarter revenue has grown by nearly 60% since fiscal 2014, certainly an achievement of which all of our teams can be proud. Strong product is the lifeblood of our business and our design and merchant teams have consistently delivered compelling assortments that have repeatedly brought our customers back to the brand. And this spring was no different, with many product wins to speak of. The customer continues to vote for our dress collection, with our strategy of expanding into party dresses providing a very healthy boost to the business. Our intimates collection has outperformed expectations in all channels and our own-label shoe assortment saw significant gains in the quarter. Our activewear line, FP Movement, continues to impress us in the direct-to-consumer channel, making us even more excited to launch Movement to the wholesale market this fall for spring delivery. Our teams look forward to developing these concepts further, as well as exploring new category expansions in the future. Moving to the wholesale channel, the team closed July with their single strongest sales month ever and enter the back half with future bookings on pace with the current trend. Our…

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Thank you, Dave. Good afternoon everyone. Amazing is the word that comes to mind when I hear the Free People story: thirteen consecutive quarters of double-digit comp sales growth. It’s a remarkable story and a tribute to the extraordinary performance of the Free People team. Congratulations to Meg, Dave, Sheila, Krissy and their teams. Given the many new initiatives including international expansion and new product category introductions, I believe the brand has the opportunity to continue that growth. However, after many years of strong comp store increases, the Free People stores are operating at an extremely high level of productivity. So, I believe that future topline growth for the Free People brand will likely come less from comp store sales increases and more from opening additional and larger stores and from expanding their other two channels of distribution. Let me now discuss second quarter results at our other two brands, first Urban Outfitters. Speaking on last year’s Q4 conference call, Trish Donnelly said one of our biggest priorities is to reestablish positive sales momentum. I’m pleased to report the brand recorded a healthy 4% retail segment comp, with the North American group outperforming its European counterpart. However, the 4% comp in Q2 only tells part of a very positive brand story. Importantly, the productivity gain was driven by a high, single-digit increase in regular price sales. Year-over-year increases in both conversion and average transaction value drove the reg price increase and demonstrate the willingness of the Urban customer to buy at full price when we provide her with compelling product and exciting experience. As in the first quarter, six of Urban’s eight major product categories delivered positive, regular price comps including the all-important women’s apparel division. One of the brand’s most important achievements for the quarter was a 400 plus…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Kimberly Greenberger from Morgan Stanley. Your question please.

Kimberly Greenberger

Analyst

Great. Thank you. And really nice results tonight. Congratulations on that.

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Thanks, Kimberly.

Kimberly Greenberger

Analyst

I don’t want to read too much into your comments. My question is on Anthropologie, but if I could just summarize on Urban, it sounds like you’re saying that you feel pretty good about the direction of the business and expecting progress over the next year. So that seems fairly set. Is that a fair way to summarize it?

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Yes, Kimberly. Before I answer your call -- your question, I just want to alert everybody that we’re having a little bit of technical difficulties here. So if for some reason the phone gets cut off, it’s not because we don’t like your question, it’s technical in nature. But Kimberly, I think you have characterized it well, we’re very pleased with the progress that was made. We’re not satisfied. We know there’s much more to be done, but we’re on our way. And I think things look very good.

Kimberly Greenberger

Analyst

Right. So on Anthropologie, from the outside world, just having a little bit of a struggle, putting our finger on what it is in that business that has slowed, that’s maybe causing a bit of pressure on the gross margin. And obviously on an absolute basis, Anthropologie continues to perform very well relative to peers. It’s just got a tough bar given its own historical performance. So as we think about the next couple of quarters, you suggested there would be additional adjustments made in that business. But maybe just from a big picture view, kind of help us understand, dresses and accessories obviously were some product misses, but is there more going on, is there a bit of a struggle on the trend side in terms of identifying new ideas? Or do you think this is a pretty straightforward fix that can be executed in fairly rapid manner? Thanks so much.

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Okay. Kimberly, I am certainly going to ask David to answer that. He is the closest to it.

David McCreight

Analyst

Hi, Kimberly. Yes, as Dick had mentioned and alluded to, we are off our record highs, all-time record highs for Anthropologie and we believe that’s entirely due to a two primary factors in our core business. We clearly weren’t pleasing as well with our fashion and some of our initiatives around the speed the market will that we’re working with Meg on and broadly across URBN we believe will start to show real -- bear real fruit in the second half of next year. That being said, the balance of this year, we expect to be very similar to what we saw in Q1 and Q2 in terms of having some strength, some abroad strength in many categories, but we will continue to watch particularly in apparel the trend and the change in the seasons running through. And also, we’re going to be watching our accessories businesses as we talked about in Q2. We put a number of things in place with our team and begun to refocus our offer their and are expecting both accessories and apparel to strengthen towards the back end of Q3 and Q4, but are preparing to still have some errors in fashion.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Lorraine Hutchinson from Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Lorraine Hutchinson

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon. I wanted to just follow up on Anthropologie. On the last quarter’s call, you had talked about a new dress assortment coming in toward the end of the second quarter. Did you see any shift in trend once those -- that assortment hit? And also, Frank, on the last call you talked about gross margin up 25 to 50 basis points for the year? Is that is still your expectation?

Richard Hayne

Analyst

David?

David McCreight

Analyst

Hi. Regarding dresses, yeah, as we look at our offer, we saw we had going into -- we saw we had some execution errors, and there were some voids, if we just followed our customer more closely. We adjusted those. In new categories adding more texture to the fabric also silhouettes and shape we have seen a swing dresses do quite well -- continue to do quite well and then also starting to see a little more move to body conscious. So they have been well-received and excited about what we have in store for the back half of the year in dresses.

Frank Conforti

Analyst

Lorraine, this is Frank, so as it relates to the back half of year, we are focused on trying to deliver improvement for Q3 and Q4. We do believe we have that opportunity in front of us. How that plays out to where the annual gross profit margin rate falls will depend on if and how much improvement we can drive in the third and the fourth quarters.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Janet Kloppenburg from JJK Research. Your question, please.

Janet Kloppenburg

Analyst

Hi, everybody. Congratulations on a great quarter and I want to…

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Thank you, Janet.

Janet Kloppenburg

Analyst

… I want to extend my best wishes to Ted, who has been an incredible leader and visionary and we’ll miss you, Ted. I wondered if you could clarify a little bit about the August to-date trends, sounds like direct stores are slower than planned? I’m wondering if the direct you’re seeing some response or encouragement in terms of the back-to-school or fall trends that you can speak to that may unfold at the stores and maybe just elaborate on details that have to do with, perhaps, why the stores are down -- underperforming versus the direct channel -- above and beyond that channel mix that’s been going on for awhile? Thanks.

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Hi, Janet. Thanks for the question. I agree with your sentiments about Ted. Yes, so far in August all the brands have shown a trend of strong comps on the direct channel, slightly weaker when we compare it to July on the store channel and the wholesale channel is ahead. Now there are a number of categories that are working and working nicely, and I don’t think it’s significantly different than the categories that we’re working in a -- toward the end of the second quarter, and so it sort of begs the question as why would the stores be down and not the direct business. And the only things we can come up with and the factors are the calendar shift where the Labor Day holiday is a week later this year and they have something to do with weather, because it’s so hot on the East and West Coast, maybe people are taking more time away and going on vacations, therefore shopping online rather than in stores. Yes, traffic continues to show slight declines from almost mid single-digit declines from where it was the prior year, but that’s note really a change from the July month. And then, of course, we always look at the potential of the product execution, that’s a possibility, but if it were that, then we would expect the direct business to be down as well. So we’re not -- certainly not panicked about it and we believe that it’s probably one of the first two factors that I mentioned, but we can’t be sure at this time, because its only been two weeks. So I think you’re going to have to wait until the 10-K is released in September and we’ll have much more clarity by then.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Anna Andreeva from Oppenheimer. Your question, please.

Anna Andreeva

Analyst

Great. Thanks so much for taking our question. Just a question to, Frank, just to confirm that gross margin guidance for the year of 25 to 50 basis points, are you guys still committed to that range and how should we think about the back half expectations, I think, you said gross margin maybe up in the third quarter? Just any magnitude behind that would be helpful, should we think the fourth quarter margin expansion would be more significant than Q3? Thanks so much.

Frank Conforti

Analyst

So, Anna, again, this is Frank. So we do believe there is opportunity for margin improvement in Q3 and Q4, exactly where that falls out we will dictate it to where the year falls, which is not certain right now as we are heading into our second selling season. As we approach third quarter, we do believe there is opportunity for margin improvement. This will require Urban to continue to make progress in their maintained margins as they have to date with significant improvement in markdowns and show improvement in their IMU as well. This will take into account out and require Anthropologie and Free People to maintain their more normalized margins similar to where they landed in the second quarter. And this will also require our fulfillment center expenses delivering and fulfillment center expenses to continue to come in at or below our expectations as it relates to some incremental cost there, which we still will experience some in the third quarter as Free People wholesale has not transitioned yet. All three direct-to-consumer businesses have successfully transitioned but wholesale transitions in the third quarter. So we believe we have opportunity in both the third and fourth quarter, exactly how that shakes out to the 25 to 50 basis points for the year. It is yet to be seen and we’re going to pay attention to August month-to-date sales trends and all the initiatives that we continue to work on.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Marni Shapiro from The Retail Tracker. Your question please.

Marni Shapiro

Analyst

Hey guys congrats and Ted, you will be missed. I might still send you my e-mails. So I do have a question on Urban. I’m curious, the improvement that you’re seeing is it fairly broad based across denim and dresses, mens, women’s, if you could give a little color there and if you can talk a little bit about the home business, I think it was about a year ago you launched those first kind of dorm bed in a bag type of things and right now you have an on-campus assortment that I think looks pretty outstanding online. So just an update on that part of the business as well?

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Okay Marni. I’m going to ask Trish to answer that.

Trish Donnelly

Analyst

Hi Marni. How are you? As Dick mentioned, we’re seeing really nice growth and the six out of the eight divisions across Urban. So really across women’s and across home, we’re having some difficulty in the men’s business but right now six out of the eight are performing, two are greater than expectation. And in terms of home, yes we rolled out back-to-school and we’re really happy with the results we’re seeing particularly in bedding and textile.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Tunick from Royal Bank of Canada. Your question please.

Brian Tunick

Analyst

Yes. Thanks. Good afternoon. I guess, two questions. Maybe when you look at the Urban Outfitters margin for the brands at 3% last year, when you think about benchmarking your success year, what do you think that brand margin could recover to? What’s realistic over the next two to three years and then we saw you took on some debt for this recent share repurchase activity. We’re just wondering if the Board’s attitude towards leverage or accelerated buybacks has changed recently? Thanks very much.

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Okay Brian, let me answer the last part of your question, first. And then I’ll ask Trish to answer the first. The Board has not changed its attitude whatsoever. On a very consistent basis that means every Board meeting, we do talk about capitalization. And as part of that discussion, we make decisions about the general nature of how much we’re going to buy and when. And that has been fairly consistent that we discuss it but it has not been consistent as to the amount that we buy. So it’s basically a quarter-to-quarter decision which involves a number of factors and those factors can change over time.

Frank Conforti

Analyst

And just to add to that Brian related to the increased ABL, what that does is that gives us some additional flexibility as it relates to the buyback opportunities when they do present themselves for us. So as Dick said there is not a change in our buyback philosophy but the increased ABL just gives us the ability to be -- to have a little more cash at our hands when the strategic opportunities present themselves.

Trish Donnelly

Analyst

And then Brian, it’s Trish. In terms of margin recovery, we are looking at IMU betterment year-over-year as we travel through Q3 and Q4. Also I have managed to run the business on lower markdown rates driven primarily by heightened efficiency and inventory management.

Dave Hayne

Analyst

Yeah. Brian. I might add that the inventory management at Urban has improved dramatically and one of the biggest problems the brand had over the last year and a half 18 months was poor inventory management. And we expect the inventories to continue to improve. The weeks of supply will continue to decrease slightly as we put more operational efficiencies into the mix and when that happens, we believe that we have an opportunity to decrease our markdowns even further.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Oliver Chen from Cowen and Company. Your question, please.

Oliver Chen

Analyst

Hi. Thank you. Dick, in our store checks, we’ve been noticing some really great integration between digital and store. As we think about that, what do you think are the major catalysts ahead and how would you speak to the banners and that progress and David, I just wanted to ask you about the refocus in accessories? Could you help us understand what you mean there and it sounds like dresses and accessories, was curious about the magnitude of the size of those businesses? Thank you.

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Hey, Oliver. I’m going to ask David to take the first question -- last question first.

Dave Hayne

Analyst

So regarding accessories, we believe embedded within the accessories categories are several industries that are supported in the fashion world and that we have to date, not been successful or strategically laid out a plan to capitalize on that. And we talk to our customer and we visit her homes and talk about what she has in her wardrobes and boroughs. It’s very clear how important footwear, bags, jewelry and other categories are. And today, they have been treated more as just add-ons. So, we have built a very strong team that’s very new to the brand but showing really good drive and the whole idea of a larger format and “web-as-alpha” strategy is almost building new companies within there, thinking of a footwear and bag team, or like we’ve talked about home or talked about beauty. And I’m encouraged by some of the views of some of the product that are yet to be voted on by the customer as we see coming into the stores and online toward the back half of Q3 and then moving into Q4 and more momentum into Q1 of next year.

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Okay. And I’m going to ask Calvin Hollinger to take your first question.

Calvin Hollinger

Analyst

Oliver, hi. This is Calvin. As far as technology and omni-channel, Dick spoke about the beacon program we have for the Urban brand. We are trying to look at more personalize shop experience using technology. And the other thing we are very excited for is in Q4, we expect to roll out borderline and pickup in the store, which then allow us to also do same-day delivery from stores. So, we are looking at integration of technology and finally, Dave Hayne mentioned, the whole replatform of the e-commerice, what it gives us is better omni-channel capabilities, again both in store and online. So there are number of omni-channel initiatives underway to be delivered in Q4.

Richard Hayne

Analyst

And one other thing, Oliver, we are integrating some of the imager from the direct channel into the store experience. All right. Next question?

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Randy Konik from Jefferies. Your question, please.

Randy Konik

Analyst

Great. Thanks a lot. I just want to clarify, on the same-store sales guidance on the stores versus direct, are you saying that direct business has sequentially accelerated from the second quarter off of the stores business has decelerated sequentially from the second quarter? I just want to clarify what you’re trying to say there and on your comments, Dick around Free People, around the comp moderation, how do you think about long-term what needs to be done in terms of store expansions on the existing free people because it sounds like you’re getting a lot of strong traction with the new product extensions in the brand through your wholesale channel? So just trying to be curious about what you think the business needs to look like from a real estate footprint three to five years from now? Thanks.

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Okay, Randy. First, what I said about the quarter to date sales is that the direct-to-consumer channel is running basically even with the Q2 trend, so it’s still very strong. It’s still running double-digit increases year-over-year. It’s the store channel that is weaker and not coming up to the Q2 trend or our projections. And as I mentioned, there are several factors that may be skewing the sales on a year-over-year basis but we don’t know yet. Dave, do you want to take the Free People, Real Estate?

Dave Hayne

Analyst

Sure. Hey, Randy. So as our teams continued to do all the good work they’ve been doing expanding our product offer, our goal is really to get more of that in front of our customer both, in a physical and a digital environment. So going forward, our intention is to continue opening larger stores both, new stores as well as looking for opportunities within the fleet to transition existing stores into larger formats.

Frank Conforti

Analyst

Yeah. Randy, you have to remember that the Free People stores when they first opened, we’re about 1,500 square feet of selling space and it was almost entirely ready-to-wear. Since then the Free People brand has been extraordinarily successful in opening other product categories but you can’t fit them into 1,500 square feet. So it’s absolutely essential that we increase the square footage of the Free People stores. Now when we do that, because of Free People stores are running at such a high rate, it’s likely that the stores may not be as productive when we put some other category types in. But that’s okay, the sales will still increase, the margins will increase and probably the overall dollar profitability will increase, the rates may decrease. That’s what we are trying to say.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dana Telsey from Telsey Advisory Group. Your question please.

Dana Telsey

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone. As you think about…

Dave Hayne

Analyst

Hi, Dana.

Dana Telsey

Analyst

Hi. As you think about the level of gross margin and the drivers of each division, how do you think about the rest of the year? Is there any change -- I mean, obviously it sounds like Urban was lower markdown rates, should we see that continuing throughout the year? I know you’re not quantifying in total the gross margin potential. Is there anything that would make it change from the direction that you’re in now? And then just lastly, on the SG&A dollar growth, anything different in terms of what to expect there in terms of what you’re spending on like this order online pick up in stores? Thank you.

Frank Conforti

Analyst

Hi, Dana. This is Frank. So, I’ll take the last first. SG&A, nothing different. All of the initiatives that Calvin spoke about and Dick spoke about in his commentary are built into our plans. So, we’re still planning the year at a high-single digit rate and we believe if the same trends continue there at the third quarter but we’ll come in fairly consistent with where we landed for the second quarter. The drivers for the gross profit margin opportunity in the third and fourth quarter are as we discussed the usual suspects. So the Urban brand will need to continue to deliver their maintained margin improvement. They’ve driven significant improvement, as Dick, mentioned in his prepared remarks, over 400 basis points improvement in markdown on a year-over-year basis and they will need to continue that, as well as show IMU improvement in the back half of the year, both the Anthropologie and the Free People brand will need to basically maintain their more normalized rates that where they landed in the second quarter. And then net-net, we’d be looking at a benefit to overall URBN. And the last piece there is obviously, the DTC transition that needs to come in and about that 25 basis points of deleverage that we’re planning for in the third quarter. Although, summarized up, we do believe that we can. We have the opportunity to show margin improvement in the third quarter and then hopefully continuing going forward.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Lindsay Drucker Mann from Goldman Sachs. Your question, please.

Lindsay Drucker Mann

Analyst

Hi. Thanks. Dick, in your prepared remarks you talked a little bit about your strategic focus on getting your supply chain faster. I was just hoping you could give a little more detail around any specific initiatives and how much faster you think you can get? And then Frank, just to clarify again on the gross margin guidance, you said that you believe you have opportunity to increase gross margins in the third and fourth quarter? Do you think you can increase them for the full year? Thanks.

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Okay. Lindsay, let me talk about speed to market that’s a subject about which I’m very passionate, everybody around the table is smiling. Yes, I think we have an opportunity to bring product to market much faster than we do today. How we are going to do that? We are going to do that with number of factors. One is read the trends quicker and react quicker to those trends, cut down the number of steps involved in going from design and the merchants to the production, and make all of the decisions along the way faster, that meaning adhere to a calendar that is set up. And you would be surprised that the number of times that a decision has to be made and the person whose supposed to make the decision is either out of the -- out of our offices, out of the country and maybe traveling for a few days, and that decision is one day can be a week off in production, so it’s that. And then finally, we are trying to accelerate the production by near sourcing, more production capabilities in the Americas and so when we combine all those things together, I’m convinced that we can take anywhere from six to eight weeks off of our normal turnaround time.

Frank Conforti

Analyst

Lindsay, this is Frank. So yes, the opportunity exists on an annual basis but again, that is going to depend on the magnitude of what the third and the fourth quarter brings. Right now we have shown two consecutive quarters of improvement from where we were trending. We are focused on showing full year-over-year improvement in the third quarter and depending on exactly how the third quarter plays out, we’ll provide for some more clarity as to where we believe we will end the year.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our final question comes from the line of Simeon Siegel from Nomura. Your question please.

Simeon Siegel

Analyst

Thanks. Frank, I guess, let’s ask you about the full year gross margin guide.

Frank Conforti

Analyst

Thanks, Simeon.

Simeon Siegel

Analyst

Can you just talk about the ultimate store objectives? Just want to understand the sales algorithm at this point. So I’m assuming FX rates and comp and what do you expect the total sales-to-comp ratio to look like? Thanks.

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Simeon, could you repeat that question? I apologize.

Simeon Siegel

Analyst

Sure. So trying to think through where you see your ultimate store objectives and then just thinking through what the spread between total sales and comps should look like? We can stick with the ultimate store objectives if you want.

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Simeon, I think we’re not quite getting what you mean. The ultimate store objectives, well that question is to make money.

Simeon Siegel

Analyst

Sorry. There is number of stores. So just when you think about the ultimate store …

Richard Hayne

Analyst

The number of store, yeah. Well, we said consistently Simeon, that the larger, the two larger brands currently, we think and have anywhere from 200 to 250 stores in North America, both of them are currently pushing 200, which would suggest that there are anywhere from none to 50 left. And we believe that there are certainly that many stores available to open around the world meaning Europe and Asia. We’re in the very, very early stages of that development, but we do believe that we have the opportunity to do that. Now having said that, our way of thinking about expansion is in terms of expanded product categories, meaning larger footprints in stores, so the square footage of stores will grow, but the number of units may not, so we expect to either close and reopen, meaning relocate or when a lease is up, replace it with another lease that would be larger and allow us to present these expanded categories. That way we can continue our growth in the retail store segment. The beauty of that strategy is that of course is that product expansion that is driving the direct-to-consumer and in the Free People case wholesale channels of distribution, so we win in each channel.

Frank Conforti

Analyst

Simeon, this is Frank. If I think I understand second part of your question, you’re talking about basically, the spread between the different sales metrics comp in total. For the near-term third and fourth quarter, I would think about that probably shaking out consistent to where the second quarter was, obviously, with a lot of variables in there. Over the longer term, I think that story is a little yet to be told. Depending on the success of the larger format stores that spread could change, as the Anthropologie, for example, has four larger format stores on their horizon. If those perform well and we continue along with that strategy, which we’re all certainly very confident of here, that could change the spread, because although some of those stores will be replacing an existing store, it will still be on net-net like adding two plus stores. So that could change your gap between the total on the comp ratio. But I think we want to wait to see exactly how those stores perform and trend before I guess change the longer-term algorithm if that helps you.

Richard Hayne

Analyst

Okay. Everyone thank you very much for joining the conference call. We hope to see you in three months.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today’s conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.