Thank you for standing by. My name is Mandeep and I will be your operator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the Unum Group Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Matt Royal, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. You may begin.

Great. Thank you, Mandeep, and good morning to everyone. Welcome to Unum Group's second quarter 2024 earnings call. Please note that today's call may include forward-looking statements and actual results, which are subject to risk and uncertainties, may differ materially, and we are not obligated to update any of these statements. Please refer to our earnings release and periodic filings with the SEC for a description of factors that could cause actual results to differ from expected results. Yesterday afternoon, Unum released our second quarter earnings press release, financial supplement. Those materials may be found on the Investors section of our website, along with a presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP measures and reconciliations of any non-GAAP financial measures included in today's presentation. References made today to core operations sales and premiums, which include Unum International, are presented on a constant currency basis. Participating in this morning's conference call are Unum's President and CEO, Rick McKenney; Chief Financial Officer, Steve Zabel; Tim Arnold, who heads our Colonial Life and Voluntary Benefits lines; Chris Pyne for Group Benefits; and Mark Till, CEO of Unum International. Now, let me turn it to Rick for his comments.

Thank you, Matt. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. We're excited to discuss our second quarter results, the robust performance in the first half of the year, and trends we see carrying us into the back half of 2024 and into 2025. Our purpose driven team has done an excellent job navigating the change in the environment and our market over the last several years and we are most appreciative of their efforts. This quarter, we saw the continuation of some favorable trends and notable improvements in multiple areas of performance, leading us to increase our earnings per share outlook for 2024. Our results thus far in 2024 evidence the way we approach the employee benefits markets and growth orientation is really paying off. We are actively engaging with new and existing customers and growing our top-line while maintaining healthy industry-leading margins. As we move forward, we are poised to continue on a growth trajectory in the second half of the year. Our strategic initiatives and diligent execution have set a strong foundation and we are confident in our ability to sustain this momentum. We're excited to see our outlook for opportunities for the next year building and reflecting the prospects for continued success. As we stand here today, our team is supported by distinctive technologies and remains fully committed to delivering for our clients each and every day. Focusing on our second quarter reflects sustained broad-based performance. We saw statutory earnings surpassing $350 million and the earnings per share reaching $2.16 per share, marking yet another record level of earnings for the company. Our top-line was healthy with a 5.4% increase in core operations premium growth and capital metrics significantly exceeded our targets. Given our robust results and positive outlook, we're adjusting our full year…

Great. Thank you, Rick, and good morning, everyone. As Rick described, the second quarter was another very good quarter for the company with adjusted after-tax operating income per share of $2.16, as we benefited from strong operating performance across our businesses. Based on this performance, the performance that we've achieved through the first half of the year compared to our expectations presented in January, and our view that improved margins will continue, we are increasing our 2024 after-tax adjusted operating earnings per share growth outlook from 7% to 9% to 10% to 15%. I will provide additional context to where we see the sustainability of the margins as we get into the segment financial results. In addition to the great margins we're seeing, our growth momentum has also continued into the second quarter with core operations premium growing 5.4%, putting us well on pace to achieve our full year outlook of premium growth in the 5% to 7% range. Aiding this growth were a combination of strong levels of persistency, continued benefits from natural growth and in line new sales. Although sales growth was muted this quarter, we remain optimistic that we'll receive our growth goals for the year as we enter into the second half of 2024. As Rick mentioned in his opening, our high performing teams and industry-leading technology are a differentiator for us in the market and are a reason why we are seeing the healthy levels of growth and strong margins today. While we continue to expect expense ratios to decline over time, we continue to invest heavily in these areas and see that reflected through increased expense ratios across the company this quarter. We are happy with our investments and are confident in the payoff they will provide driving future growth and profitability. So now…

Great. Thank you, Steve. And I'd like to reiterate, we thank everybody for joining us this morning. We are in a great position halfway through the year and the momentum created as we look to execute on our growth strategy. We are here to respond to your questions. So I'd like to open up the call and turn it over to Mandeep, our operator. Mandeep?

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Ryan Krueger with KBW. Please go ahead.

Hey guys, good morning. My first question is on the competitive environment in Unum U.S. Can you discuss how you see the environment today as well as, I guess, maybe anything you distinguish between the core market in large states at this point?

Great. Thanks, Ryan. It's a little bit of broad question. We're going to turn it over to Chris. I would say, competitive environment wise, we are a competitive business, and so we look forward to that. But let me, Chris; give some details especially across you mentioned different segments where we see different competitors. Chris?

Yes. Ryan, thanks for the question. Certainly, it's an exciting time in our market space. I start with capabilities that continue to be really important, where we're making our technological investments solving customer problems you bet. That does make us show up in what is a real competitive environment in a very different way. So while having a lot of respect for our traditional competitors who are doing their good work. We show up with reason to talk to customers about things like lead management, things like connecting to their human capital management platforms through HR Connect and other broker platforms that help serve their markets through our Broker Connect strategy. And it really does change the game where price is important and that is a factor in negotiations, but it's not the only thing, and we feel really good about that. I would couple that with the fact that to your point around core market versus large, we're right now working through the one-one large market inventory. We're off to a good start. We feel really good about what we're working through, but there's still work to do to arrive where we believe there's going to be a very strong place at the end of the year. Mid-market gives us kind of a little bit of an earlier view in terms of what actually happened in the quarter. And our sales in the mid-market are quite strong through the first half of the year, both in terms of new sales premium and the number of customers that we're winning. And we feel like it's a really good indicator of sophisticated buyers who are choosing the capabilities that we're putting in front of them. And last thing I would add is we're doing it with a really strong team. We've got a team of folks who believe in what we're selling. They're showing up in the market really well, and it's all part of a very coordinated strategy. Thanks for the question.

Thanks. My follow-up is just when you think about the outperformance in Group disability and now Group Life as well. I know this has been asked a number of times in the past, but just how you think about the pricing environment, how sustainable those loss benefit ratios are in Unum U.S. and kind of thinking about the next few years.

Yes. Thanks, Ryan. Chris, again. And we continue to work our book of business in terms of what the right pricing levels are for long-term stability. We do it -- up market we do it on a case-by-case basis. We think again when you're tying capabilities in with pricing levels that are fair and with a very transparent approach; we can give people that predictable pricing level that gets the returns that we need and also allows them to kind of feel good about the partnership. Again, competition is real, price negotiations are part of it, but we feel very good that the combination of how we're approaching the market with a capability-based approach serves us really well in terms of that result.

Our next question comes from the line of Suneet Kamath with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning guys. Thank you. I just want to follow-up a little bit on what Ryan's line of questioning was, but maybe focusing on persistency, it seems like, I think the number you quoted in Unum U.S. was 92.4%. And it seems like that number continues to just be very strong. Is this just the outcome of some of those additional services that you provide HR Connect and leave management? And should we just expect a higher level of persistency going forward relative to the past when perhaps those strategies were not as big of a part of your story?

Yes, Suneet. Chris, thanks for the question. And if I were to step back and just think about persistency in total right now, we are enjoying exceptional persistency, and that's obviously a good thing. And capabilities, that's a part of the story. But there's a lot more to what comes with keeping our enforce block, renewing that block, expanding that block, and as the capabilities that we're investing in become a bigger part, obviously that'll be a bigger part of future persistency. But for right now, it's a more complex story. And I would say that some of the exceptional result we're seeing right now probably came from a few -- maybe a fewer RFPs that were in the historic past. And now, we're starting to see a pretty robust level of quote activity in the larger end of the market. That's good from a prospecting new sales standpoint, but it also creates some activity on the enforce block going forward. So it's a dynamic body of work. Part of that is capabilities, but it's not the whole story.

Okay, got it. And then I guess, just on the Group Life, if I think back to Group disability and your confidence in the benefit ratio, I think there were some structural things going on around recovery that gave you confidence. But I guess, I don't quite understand what gives you the confidence in Group Life just given so much of it is mortality and that bounces around and you don't really have control over that. So what is it that you're looking at that suggests that that benefit ratio in Group Life, AD&D to remain kind of in the neighborhood where it is right now.

Hey Suneet, this is Steve. I can fill that one. Just first of all, to step back, this is a relatively small block of business about $500 million a quarterly premium. So it can be volatile and it is tough to just pick a number and have tremendous confidence that we're going to be able to hit that exact number on a quarter-to-quarter basis. I would say what we've seen is really three quarters a pretty favorable claims experience. We're also seeing a market where pricing right now for us is pretty stable. So we've targeted the 70% loss ratio just kind of as an expectation for the remainder of the year. We've seen it over the last three quarters now. And so it gives us some confidence that usually it doesn't change tremendously, maybe quarter-to-quarter, but over time, it can change and those margins can change, but we feel good for the remainder of the year to use that for us as kind of a planning expectation.

Okay, got it. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Joel Hurwitz with Dowling & Partners. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning. So first question, Steve, can you just provide some more color on the long-term care incidence trends? I guess, how far off are you guys from the assumption? And at this point, given the trend that you're seeing, when would you expect to get to that long-term expectation?

Yes. I'm not going to predict when we're going to get back to it. We did see elevated levels continue for claims incidents above our longer-term expectations in second quarter. What I'll say is sequentially claims incidents, when we look at our internal operating metrics, it did improve in aggregate in the second quarter. It was interesting though, as we've discussed in the past, how that plays through the cohorts and how that actually impacted earnings in the net premium ratio. And what you would see is, we did have favorable experience against our long-term reserve expectations within the uncap cohorts, and that is what drove the reduction in our net premium ratio. It was reduced about 10 basis points. So feel good about that. But there did continue to be some unfavorable experience in the cap cohorts, and that would have been reflected just in the current earnings during the period. We do believe that incidents will continue to dissipate in the back half of the year just because of the trends that we are seeing. But obviously, we just need to see how that plays out in the back half of the year. I've talked in the past about really the coin inventory on an absolute basis and how that trends back to what our long-term expectation is. And I would just say again, for the quarter, we saw that just kind of flattened against what that long-term expectation would be for the overall inventory. So it gives us some confidence, but we'll just have to see how the year plays out.

Okay. That's helpful. And then shifting to Colonial Life, can you just touch on both sales and persistency? So sales, well improved a little bit quarter-over-quarter still appeared challenged, but the top-line was still pretty solid, I think on strong persistencies. So just what are you seeing from those two fronts?

Tim?

Yes. Yes. Thanks for the question. This is Tim. So from a sales perspective, slightly improved over first quarter with almost 1% sales growth year-over-year. There were a lot of bright spots. New case sales were up 8.7%. Public sector, our best profitability sector was up 8.8%. And our other target markets, not including public sector, we were at 14.9% in the quarter. The headwinds came primarily as I did in the first quarter on the existing book, and we think there's some evidence that that's finally -- we're finally beginning to see the effect of inflation on consumers. And so we've just got to double down on our enrollment capabilities to ensure that we're reaching as many consumers as possible to the extent that that's the pressure we're seeing. You mentioned persistency overall is really strong. We feel great about where we ended with persistency in the quarter. We think that our capabilities on the Colonial Life side and the service levels that we have, which are near record levels are all contributing to that. So we feel good about persistency and the impact it had on earned premium. We also continue to see strong success with our gather agent assist and cross brand sales initiatives. Unum Group product sales from Colonial Life agents, which are not reported in the Colonial Life line, were very significantly in the quarter, and we're pleased to see the Colonial Life agents continue to leverage that capability. You didn't ask that on the Unum VB side, a really strong quarter. Sales up 27%. New sales on the Unum side of 31% so really strong results on the Unum VB side as well.

Great. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Elyse Greenspan with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks. Good morning. My first question on -- is on capital return, should we think of you guys guided to the second half of this year being greater than the first half? So that puts 2024 at above $600 million. Is that like the baseline expectation for capital return when we think about going into 2025?

Yes. Thanks for the question, Elyse. Let me step back a little bit and talk a little bit about the capital deployment. First, let's start with the generation. I mean, I would reiterate that we've seen very strong generation coming out of our statutory entities taking us up to the higher end of our range of the capital generation that we expect to see this year. And so we take that into account as we think about deployment. Certainly, want to continue to deploy straight back into our business. Talk about the capabilities that Chris referenced, as we are out there competing and looking to grow the business on a core basis. And as we've said all along, M&A is also on the table to grow a little bit faster. And so as we think about all those things, putting good capital to use, we were happy at the beginning of this year, talking about our dividend increase we have out there, very important to us. And then share repurchase, our $500 million we talked about earlier in the year was double the pace of what we saw previous year. And so all that's good. But what we've seen in second quarter, you would have seen us actually accelerate a little bit. What we said the beginning of the year is we're going to be dynamic when we think about share repurchase. We make these decisions quite often. And then, more specifically, to your question, that $300 million, we did say we expect it to be higher in the second half. So you talked about that as a baseline that's probably a reasonable way to think about that. But we are going to be continuing to be dynamic and think about putting capital to use through our share repurchase plan. And I just remind you that our Board did authorize up to $1 billion, so we do have the flexibility to put capital to work by buying back our stock.

Thanks. And then my second question going back, I guess, to Group Life and AD&D, you guys said, the benefit ratio should be around 70% for the remainder of the year. When we think about 2025, should we think about that kind of going back to where you guys had kind of guided for this year in like the low to mid-70s?

This is Steve. I think it's probably a little premature at this point to talk about 2025. You are right historically, that benefit ratio within kind of the low-70%, I would say, we'll see how the remainder of the year plays out. We'll see how the sustainability of margins are, and then as we get through the back half of the year, we can start to give a little bit more visibility into what we think 2025 looks like. I think it's safe to say, at least that there's nothing that we know that would say something in that 70 to low-70s wouldn't be kind of an expectation. But it's hard to just predict right now what that might look like until we see the back half of the year.

Thank you.

Thanks, Elyse.

Our next question comes from the line of John Barnidge with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Thank you for the opportunity. Can you talk about the growth in the U.S. and how much of that's coming from pricing versus expanded offerings in the employee count? Thank you.

Yes. Thanks, John. It's Chris. And we are seeing growth several different ways. The wage growth that we saw in the past has kind of come back to normal. Employee growth also kind of back to normal, but our premium growth, we worked the cases where we need to get a price increase based on experience, setting price for sustainable levels. We'll adjust down if we need to. And then obviously the new business sales that come through, it's a mix of things that contribute to what you're seeing, but we feel good. That's very balancing and optimistic for the future.

John, the only thing that I add to that, in the script, we didn't really talk about natural growth quantifying it. It was around 4% in the second quarter. I'd say that probably was a little bit heavier weighted to wage growth than employment growth, but continue to provide a nice tailwind for us.

And then my follow-up question, with the higher premium base and force on the back of persistency that seems to be secularly stronger the last several years, how do you view the opportunity to extend the duration of that higher EPS growth?

Hey John, can you repeat the last part of that?

Yes. How do you view the opportunity to extend the duration of that higher EPS growth that we're now expected?

Yes. I would say we kind of go back to what our longer-term expectations would be. If we're talking about future years, we're pretty comfortable with the type of long-term guidance that we would have given back in January and think that that provides nice support for the business. We've tended to be able to operate pretty well through different environmental and market expectations, and we feel that way going forward. So probably a little bit early to talk about going into next year, but that long-term expectation would be in that 8% to 10% range. But we'll update the market as we get into January of next year.

I think the key thing, John, too is, you think about it. It's about driving the premium growth. And so if we get that good top-line growing, our team does a really good job with discipline and getting margins in our business. And then you combine with that, reducing the share count as we talked about, that leads us to that 8% to 10% growth. We're happy with that, but we're especially happy this year growing in that 10% to 15% range.

Thanks for the answers.

Our next question comes from the line of Jimmy Bhullar with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning. So first, just a question on long-term care. If I look at your net premium ratio, it improved a little bit sequentially, but it seems like for the first half as a whole, it's still running fairly high. So just wondering, what are the key metrics that you're watching to see if you need to raise reserves as you do your review and any comments on how those are trending versus initial expectations?

Yes. Thanks for the question, Jimmy. I just go back to kind of our internal operational metrics. We did see that the elevation in the first quarter. We did see that come down in the second quarter, although still elevated; it all comes down to which cohorts we see it in. I was saying the first quarter; we had unfavorable experience against expectations in those cohorts that were uncapped. So that you would have seen the NPR go up, and then that reversed a little bit in the second quarter where we had favorable experience in those cohorts. And so that's just a dynamic that we'll see play forward. Specifically about our reserve assumption review, it's early, really to talk about any conclusions. But just to remind we go through a comprehensive review on all of our product lines as part of LDTI in the third quarter for GAAP, and we will do that this year and be able to talk about the results of that on our third quarter call. And then we go through the statutory version of that in the fourth quarter and we'll be able to report out on that. But obviously, we're looking at longer-term experience sets when we look at all of these assumptions. And so we'll take not only the last year that we've seen into account, but what we've seen for the last several years, and that will factor into how we think about reserve assumptions. But again, no conclusions yet. We'll update you when we get through third quarter earnings.

And then just on your sales results, some of the commentary from your peers on competition in Group benefits has been more cautious than your commentary. And if I look at your overall sales, they haven't been that good in the first half of the year. So how much of the weaker sales is because of competition you're seeing whether it's large case or otherwise versus just sort of normal volatility you see in some of this larger cases.

Yes. Thanks, Jimmy. I think we'll go and talk to each of our business about what sales are in the story that we see beyond just competition where do we see sales going. Chris, you want to start us off in the U.S.?

Yes. Thanks. Thanks again for the question. So we come through the first half of the year really frankly ahead of our plan. So we feel really good about where we sit mid-year. We feel very good about capabilities that I've talked about driving lots of prospective conversations with customers, getting us to finalist meetings and winning the market. We see that mostly in the mid-market. Again, just based on effective dates, it's a little bit more normal to see smaller and mid-market effective dates that fall in the first half of the year. What you see from Unum U.S. from a comparative basis year-over-year, the volatility in large is most pronounced. Last year, we had our largest Group insurance sale happen for 7/1 by that's a little bit abnormal just based on effective date. Normally that would be more centered on 1/1. And even our largest individual disability sale happened in the second quarter of last year. So when I compare to year-over-year with again mid-market sales, new coverages and new premium, we're really pleased with where things stand and when I kind of put a cap on it, look forward to, 1/1 we're very confident with the position we're in that we can deliver the full year sales result, and that is in a dynamic competitive environment, no question. But again, we've got a strong team bringing a strong message.

Great. Then we'll go to the UK. Mark?

Thanks very much, Rick. I think we're really pleased in international with the growth that we generated in quarter two. It was much improved on quarter one. If I look at the UK first 5.7% growth in local currency and sales that was a record quarter two for us. And actually from a competitive intensity perspective, the second half of the year, we'll see one of our competitors leave as that business has been acquired and we've been investing very strongly in the UK in proposition, which creates story beyond price. Poland, I would say the market is pretty consistent and overall I think we're feeling very good about ourselves being in line with the 8% to 12% outlook that we gave at the start of the year.

Thanks, Mark. And Tim, I know you talked a little bit about sales. Anything you'd add to the question?

Yes. Just to reiterate a couple of points, new sales up 8.7%. Sales in our target markets up significantly year-over-year. Those are the places I think you would see pressure from the competitive environment. So the voluntary benefits marketplace is competitive, but the pressure we're seeing is with our existing clients and we believe that's inflationary versus competitive.

Thank you.

So appreciate the question, Jimmy. I think wrapping up the competitive; I think we've all hit on it. We live in a competitive environment that is not new. We're used to operating in that environment. And so I think we look out for the row competitor that's out there pricing irrationally from our perspective, in the market, we don't see that. We just see good aggressive competition and that's a world we thrive in.

Okay. Thanks again.

Our next question comes from the line of Tom Gallagher with Evercore. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Sorry to beat a dead horse here. Another question about Group benefits competition. So on another company's earnings call last week, we heard about new competitors entering into the Group benefits space. They were flagging mutual insurers as well as some public companies that aren't big players, but that appear to be ramping up and growing fairly aggressively. Can you comment on what you're seeing in terms of new competition? Are you also bumping into that and how is that affecting things from a pricing or from a growth perspective?

Yes. Tom, it's a good point. We certainly can name some new entrants into the market. Some of them are generally on the smaller end of the market. Some of them are getting products approved in a subset of states. They're starting to show up in different places. I don't want to -- I certainly don't want to dismiss that as a factor. That's part of the competitive dynamic that we've all talked about Rick just reiterated, we compete really well there. My sense would be that the newer entrants more likely show up where they see kind of openings in the market to show up, maybe on a price basis to get attention. And when you start getting a little bit deeper on digitized self-service portals and connected platforms and things as complicated as lead manager, you probably see a little less of the new entrant, which is maybe why I would say, yes, it's a real part of the market, but not the biggest thing that we think is going to drive any sort of true headwind to our sales results for the year.

Got you. That's -- that's helpful. And I guess, just broadly, I think, Rick, you guys have described the market as being rational price competition or I should say, rate that you're getting has been fairly stable for both disability and Group Life. What are you thinking on renewals into 2025? Is it still stable? Would you expect some pressure on pricing? Just some directional commentary would be helpful.

Yes, Tom, I think you -- I agree with how you capitalize it. We actually see the rationality in the market. Now that's a range. So we have to be very clear that the irrational that we've seen in previous years, I go back five-plus years were people that were real outliers. And so there is aggressiveness in the market today. But that's a range that we can compete in and bring forward our capabilities and win on that front. Maybe Chris, you could add to topic on that?

Just about that a little bit, Rick. There's no question, this year's persistency level is exceptional. So this is ahead of our plan. We do plan on meaningful persistency, but not as high as this year reflects. Maybe just get back to how we work with customers and the fact that we do try and use our pricing discipline and their desire for long-term price stability to adjust for the future. When your block is running well, like ours is, that does mean there are cases that deserve some sort of a rate adjustment down. But again, they don't want it to be a pendulum swing where you're moving right down and then up again in two years or whatever it might be. And we will still dynamically kind of work customers that need a price increase up to make sure that they're priced well for the long-term, and that's a process we're very comfortable. So I go back to the discipline, I go back to working hard to solve customer problems and focus on things that are meaningful in their technology ecosystem and in terms of lead management and other factors, the bundled sale is really important, and we're able to put together a nice package that gets a fair return and is stable for the long-term.

Okay. Thanks.

Our next question comes from the line of Wes Carmichael with Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to drill down just again in Group Life. And just in the current quarter's experience, just wondering if you could maybe just unpack what you saw in terms of incidents or frequency and is this still maybe a normalization a little bit post-pandemic? And if you could offer any color in terms of specific mortality cost where you saw a little bit more favorability that would be great.

Hey Wes, it's Steve. Yes, I can cover that. That segment is a combination of both kind of traditional Group Life as well as excellent depth in dismemberment. I would say it's definitely in the traditional Group Life. It's really focused on incidents and what we're seeing. There's really nothing around severity that I think we would call out. It's really just around count and incidence levels. And again, we've seen pretty consistent performance over the last three quarters. I can't really comment on whether it still has something to do with the pandemic. I will say that we had predicted some endemic mortality in our block, and there is still some of that, but I'm not sure I would connect the two. I just think that we've had a pretty good run here and that we think that, that should continue at least in the short-term.

That's helpful, Steve. And just maybe any update in the long-term care risk transfer market has anything changed over the past couple of months in your view?

Yes. Thanks, Wes. Not a lot. I mean, I'll just take you back and say that we were happy to see another transaction happen in the market. It's exactly how we've been talking about it as well in terms of being able to look at our block in different pieces and parse it to find the right buyer at the right price. I think that certainly opened up the market a little bit. People have raised tension levels. But once again, this is us doing the work, which we've done, finding the right buyer and going through what can be a pretty detailed process. So I wouldn't say anything new on that front. It is still something that we are very focused on, still something that we want to do. But until we actually find that right buyer, we'll announce that when it happens. But the market is kind of the same, but I'd say that a year ago, it probably did opening up a little bit, but it ebbs and flows as we've talked about over the last several years.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with Truist. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning. What does the good target benefit ratio in supplemental and voluntary?

Yes. I mean I think we've had fairly consistent benefit ratios. That line of business is a combination of our individual disability income business that we're currently marketing our voluntary benefits business and our dental and vision. And those tend to bounce around a little bit. If you go back to what we were looking at last January when we gave guidance, we were looking at something that, I'd say, ranged around 50%. We've seen some favorable experience probably against that expectation. But I think that's a pretty good -- it's a pretty good planning assumption going forward on the margins that we would expect in that business.

Very good. And then this may be premature, but thinking about the forward interest rate curve as the Fed starts to cut, what does that mean for earnings growth next year? You referred to your long-term guidance of 8% to 10%. If we do go through a rate-cutting cycle, does that have a material impact? I mean, is that worth 100 basis points to 200 basis points? Or how should we think about them?

Yes. I think your question is a good one. I know the day that it is in the market in terms of rates and where they are, but think about the rate cuts, and it's premature because we don't know what's going to happen on the long end of the curve as a result of any action that the Fed will take. I think we talked about this environment and when we say this environment, the 10-year and 30-year kind of with a for handle on them, that's a good operating environment for us. And if it goes anywhere different than that, the impact will be. And I'd say it will be longer-term as well. We've talked about hedging. So we've actually locked up a bunch of that new cash flows that we'll see next year. And so it's premature, Mark, to talk about what that impact might be. And once again, we don't really know where the 10-year and 30-year are going to go either. We've operated in more difficult environments. And I think that we're happy when things are -- have a for handle on them.

Appreciate it.

Our next question comes from the line of Wilma Burdis with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Are you guys thinking about the LTC hedging program going forward? Is there a natural stopping point? Or will you continue to add hedges until the rate environment just doesn't make sense anymore? Thanks.

Hey Wilma, this is Steve. I'll take that one. So first of all, love our hedging program. It's provided really good risk management and it minimizes capital sensitivities as it relates to our LTC book and kind of the reserving methodology that we have there on a regulatory basis. We're happy with how we've grown it. We did -- we've been at it now for over a couple of years. We kind of expanded it in the second quarter, feel good about that. I'll just go back to how we've set the program up and what our targets are. We look at investable cash flows over a time horizon and what we've targeted is over the next five years to target 50% of those cash flows to put protection on. And then for year six and seven, we're targeting 40%. And really that's just because of -- as I mentioned before, the hedge accounting methodology and just making sure that we can execute and deliver on those securities and going out in the market and being able to buy them, so nice expansion. At the end of second quarter, we had $2.4 billion of notional; our stock price is about $4.25 on our book of business. And cumulatively, we put on $3.2 billion. Specific to your question, we're getting pretty close to our targets. This last expansion pretty much got us to where we want to be. The only thing that I'd note is we will continue to enter into new ones. As those mature because we have those ladder really on a quarterly basis where every quarter, they're maturing. We're going out. We're placing the cash in securities and then we're kind of extending the program another quarter. So the cumulative number will continue to build. But I would say the absolute notional. We feel pretty good about where we are right now.

Okay. Thank you. And then you talked a little bit more about the possibility of acquiring some capabilities. Has the market changed at all? Is there -- are there any attractive opportunities out there? Or is this just kind of reevaluating your capital usage? Thanks.

Yes. Thanks, Wilma. I think when we think about M&A, we've been clear to talk about that. It is about capabilities we want to have areas of our business where we can actually enhance growth. There are opportunities out there that we look at. Now these are deals that would be of a smaller size, and I got to be careful where I size those type of deals. It's not a capital consideration in terms of changing the dynamics that we've talked about of our deployment at year-end. But these are areas that we think they're out there available and will enable us to enhance our growth trajectory. And we stay very active in those markets to think about where that can be. Once again, it's not going to be a large consumer of the great capital generation that we've seen. So we feel very good about our capital deployment plans.

Okay. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Ward with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Thanks, guys. Good morning. I was just wondering if you could unpack the alternative income in Closed Block if you have -- if there's anything specific that drove that uptick this quarter and if there's any outlook for the back half of the year.

Mike, this is Steve. I can handle that. So yes, alternative income for the quarter was $32.8 million. That was an increase from the second quarter of last year. Our yield last year was about 6.5% annualized yield, and it was 9.9% close to 10% annualized yield for the quarter. Our longer-term expectation would be in that 8% to 10% range. So pick the midpoint. That's what we use for our planning expectation. And when we would build our outlook that would be the assumption that we would use. It's about $1.4 billion in asset value right now in that in that portfolio. We like the diversification. We think that that's really helped us be somewhat stable in the yields that we've had in that portfolio. But I'd just say we're really happy with the performance that we've seen since inception and definitely this year. And if you're just trying to kind of plan going forward, that 8% to 10% range is kind of where we would peg it. It is going to be volatile quarter-to-quarter. I mean you know how these asset classes work. But over time, I think that's a pretty good assumption.

Okay. Thanks. And then maybe one last one, just a higher level on, I guess, long-term care, but the potential benefits on underwriting or I guess, maybe on policyholders from GLP-1 drugs. Maybe it's a little early for this, but it feels like a headline yesterday, I think another study is sort of showing that it's seriously preventing or maybe delaying the progression of Alzheimer's. So any -- is there any point where you guys think that it might actually be something that we really need to think about?

Mike, this is Steve. I'll take that one as well. So I'll take it at a high level for society, it's great. It does feel like the development of these drugs are really accelerating, which is wonderful. We track very closely how these trials are going, the results that they're seeing in that. So obviously, very happy with that. When we step back and think about the business it will take time for those advancements to work its way into the general population and then specifically into our insured population. Net-net, kind of how these are evolving, it should be a positive. And it should be a positive across many of our product lines for the other types of drugs that are being developed, not just things around Alzheimer's. So we're optimistic, again, great for society, but we wouldn't change our expectations until we see something actually work its way into our block and really see changes in the trends of our insured population.

Got it. Thanks for squeezing me in, guys.

Yes. Thanks, Mike.

That concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the call back over to Rick McKenney for closing remarks.

Thanks, Mandeep. Thanks, everybody, for joining us and staying on here for a couple of extra minutes. We do appreciate your continued support and interest. Our second quarter results were exceptionally strong and we revised that and are reflected our new outlook, and so I hope as you've dug into it, you see the strength that we see as well. We're very confident in our ability to maintain these levels as well as we look to the back half of the year. Operator that will now end our call today. Thank you all for joining us. We'll look forward to talking to you either out in the market or on our quarterly call next quarter. Thank you.

This concludes today's call. You may now disconnect.