Good morning. And welcome to the Unisys Corporation Second Quarter 2024 Financial Results and Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Michaela Pewarski, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. Yesterday afternoon, Unisys released its second quarter financial results. I'm joined this morning to discuss those results by Peter Altabef, our Chair and CEO; Deb McCann, our CFO; and Mike Thomson, our President, and COO, who will participate in the Q&A session. As a reminder, certain statements in today's conference call contain estimates and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of the securities laws. We caution listeners that the current expectations, assumptions, and beliefs forming the basis for our forward-looking statements include many factors that are beyond our ability to control or estimate precisely. This could cause results to differ materially from our expectations. These items can also be found in the forward-looking statements section of today's earnings release furnished on Form 8-K and in our most recent Forms 10-K and 10-Q as filed with the SEC. We do not, by including this statement, assume any obligation to review or revise any particular forward-looking statement referenced herein in light of future events. We will also be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures such as non-GAAP operating profit or adjusted EBITDA that exclude certain items such as post-retirement expense, cost reduction activities, and other expenses the company believes are not indicative of its ongoing operations as they may be unusual or non-recurring. We believe these measures provide a more complete understanding of our financial performance. However, they are not intended to be a substitute for GAAP. The non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the related GAAP measures, and we have provided reconciliations within the presentation. The slides accompanying today's presentation are available on our Investor website. And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Peter.

Thank you, Michaela. Good morning and thank you all for joining us to discuss the company’s second quarter results. It was another solid quarter for the company and we remain on track to achieve our full year guidance ranges from both revenue growth and profitability. The second quarter adds to attract record of executing the strategy we presented at our June 2023 investor day. The impact of our portfolio transformation and initiatives for sales and marketing delivering an associate development are becoming increasingly evident and our signings, pipeline quality and delivery efficiency. In the first half of the year, we have signed more than three times the new logo TCV signed in all of last year, a positive signal of awareness and demand for our solutions in the market. Second quarter also demonstrates a clear positive trajectory on our Ex-L&S gross margin, where expansion has been substantial and broad based. Our first half Ex-L&S gross margin at 18.4% is a 350 basis point improvement over the prior year that gives us a pathway to a non-GAAP operating margin above the mid-point of our guidance. We are well positioned to accelerate our progress next year when the new logos we have signed in the first half of this year and are signing in the third quarter will begin generating margin accretive revenue. In addition we anticipate new scope and expansion opportunities with these clients in the coming quarters. For next year we also expect continued delivery efficiencies, lower legal and environmental payments and increasing benefit from our SG&A initiatives, all of which benefit cash generation. Looking more closely at second quarter client signings, total company TCV increased 25% sequentially and 19% year-over-year. Excluding license and support, TCV was up 35% from last quarter and up 10% year-over-year. The strength in Ex-L&S…

Thank you Peter and good morning everyone. As a reminder, my discussion today will reference slides from the supplemental presentation posted on our website. I will refer to revenue both as reported and in constant currency, and segment revenue growth in constant currency only. I will also provide information excluding license and support revenue, or Ex-L&S, to allow investors to assess the progress we are making outside the portion of ECS where revenue and profit recognition is tied to license renewal timing, which can be uneven year-to-year and between quarters. As Peter discussed, we are pleased with our financial results and our momentum in new business signings, which are up 25% year-over-year for the first half. New business strength has continued so far in the third quarter and we are well positioned to benefit from growing demand for AI enabled solutions and the services and solutions that support AI workloads. The expansion in our Ex-L&S gross margin gives us a line of sight to a non-GAAP operating margin above the midpoint of our guidance range and we are executing our delivery and SG&A initiatives which contribute to profitability. Also, in 2025 and 2026, our cash conversion is expected to improve as environmental, legal and restructuring payments decline compared to 2023. Looking at our results in more detail, you can see on slide four the second quarter revenue was $478 million, an increase of 0.3% year-over-year and 25% in constant currency. Second quarter Ex-L&S revenue was slightly better than anticipated at $396 million flat year-over-year end in constant currency, which was slightly better than expected, driven by the performance of our DWS segment. Year-to-date, total company revenue is $966 million, down 2.7% year-over-year and down 3.5% in constant currency due to license and support renewal timing. Excluding license and support, our…

Thank you Deb. While we have covered much information today, I want to emphasize three important takeaways. First, the momentum in new business we achieved in the first quarter is continuing in the second quarter and is a positive indicator of demand for our solution portfolio and we have exciting opportunities in all our segments to drive new business signings growth. Second, we believe we have additional gross margin opportunities from delivery efficiency initiatives and accretive new business signings. And third, we expect higher profit and cash generation in the second half of the year as we benefit from first half new logo signings, results from SG&A initiatives and improved working capital dynamics. Operator, please open the line for questions.

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Rod Bourgeois with DeepDive Equity Research. Please go ahead.

Yes, thank you. So my first question is about the margin. It's further encouraging to see the progress in the Ex-L&S margin improvement there, and it sounds like you're getting margin benefits from productivity improvement efforts, but also from positive mix shift. So my question is, is the positive mix shift point correct that that's a enduring margin lever? And then to what extent do you see that positive margin mix shift a continuing factor, or is that just some unique dynamic that's happening this year, or do you see that as more lasting?

Yes. Rod, thanks very much for the question. This is Peter. I'm actually going to turn the question over to Mike in a second. It's really interesting. Yes. To all of your questions. Mix shift is happening and mix shift is positive. One of the interesting dynamics we're seeing though, is the strength in what we call our traditional business as opposed to our next generation business because you're seeing margin improvement in our numbers across all of Ex-L&S, and that improvement includes traditional business. So as we become more efficient in the traditional business, you're seeing that be a more of a positive for us. So yes, the shift is continuing, but it's actually less important than it used to be because of the profitability increase of the traditional business. But I'll hand it over to Mike for a little more description.

Great. Thanks, Peter. And hey, Rod, thanks for the question. Look, I think you're both onto something there, right? It's really a combination of things, Rod, and I think very consistent with what we talked about at Investor day and continue to see in the market, right. Our pricing power remains strong in our new solutions. The margin profile on those solutions are in line with what we expected back in our 2023 investor day and continue that way. We've seen continual improvement in the margin profile on the delivery of our traditional business, and I think just really consistent, solid performance across the board. And Deb mentioned a little bit, too, around our talent marketplace and what we're trying to do with our associate base. So I really feel like those three components, the mix shift component, the delivery component, as well as what we're seeing from pricing power and our solutions being taken in the marketplace, have all really contributed pretty equally across the board. And again, I think it's really just solid performance and kind of keeping our head down and making sure we're delivering as we said we would.

Great. And so, follow up. I mean, as you head into 2025, the environmental and legal costs need to drop. It sounds like you're underscoring that you're on track to make progress there. I think last quarter you had indicated that the environmental and legal costs could drop by 50% or more, and you also have a refund on the environmental side, that seems like it's likely. Is your outlook on a 50% or more drop in environmental legal? Is that outlook still intact, or is there kind of an updated view on that?

Yes. So, Rob, thanks for that. I'll give this specific percentage to Deb, but in broad strokes, the answer is, nothing has really changed. I want to keep everybody attention. On the legal side, the biggest expense we have had is a suit where we are the plaintiff. So that is the suit that we feel good about, and we obviously expect to have rewards from that, if you will. On the environmental side, we're keeping a very close track on that, and nothing has changed of any substance. Deb, over to you.

Hi. Thanks, Rod, for the question. Yes, Peter's right. Everything is still on track for that. And as we've discussed before, it is an important element of our improvement in our free cash flow conversion rate. And so we're keeping an eye on those things, but nothing's changed. And as we mentioned last time, estimate about half from what they were in 2023 is still accurate.

Okay. And if I could just ask one more follow up. You mentioned the AI and machine learning work you're doing for a restaurant client, and I wanted to see if you could speak to the potential scale of that opportunity. It sounds like an interesting use case that's actually moving beyond the ideal pilot stage. Especially in the AI world, we're seeing a lot of ideas in pilots, but it's been pretty light on things actually moving into production. And this sounds like an interesting use case. Is it moving to the more of a production stage and what could be the potential scale of that?

Yes. So the answer is yes, it is moving toward more of a production stage. It is for a very significant client in that space. We're very excited about it. Still relatively early days in terms of seeing how far it could expand and what it would mean for us. So early days on that. But the quality of the client, the quality of the work we're doing, absolutely is an indicator of the things we could do on a broader base. But we're very excited about this client and the specifics. Mike, anything further you want to add to that situation?

No. Look, I think you covered it too, Peter, in some of your prepared remarks earlier. When we talk about. This is an interesting play, Rod, when we talk about data, right. In this particular case, the data telemetry from PoS machines and kiosk and digital boards and the cooking equipment, etcetera, this particular opportunity is a full North America opportunity. So scale can be pretty substantial. But early days, lots to do, but really like to see the progress we're making from an innovation perspective there.

And this client is. And this client is a global client. So it is a North American opportunity right now, but it could change.

Got it.

And Rob, this is Deb. I just want to jump in and make sure it was clear that the half of the environmental legal other is by 2026. So similar to our other targets we laid out just to make sure that's clear that that's not this year.

Got it. Thank you.

Thanks, Rod. The next question comes from Joe Vafi with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Good morning. This is Pada [ph] signing on for Joe. Thanks for taking our questions. The first question is kind of a follow up on the AI question. Peter, can you share what percentage of your new business signings currently have a Gen AI component to them? And I know you said it's a bit early, but is there a way to frame this opportunity from a revenue perspective over time? And I have a follow up.

Yes, I think it's a great question, and it's a question being asked of us and many of the companies similarly situated with us. I can only give you kind of our approach and the way we have thought about AI. First of all, as you noticed in my comments, Gen AI is important, but it's not the only AI. So it's kind of weird to talk about traditional AI, because the question is, wow, how could AI be traditional? But the reality is things like machine learning and deep learning have been around for 20 years. When we talk about AI initiatives and when we track those inside the company, we're looking at Gen AI, but we're also looking at traditional AI. And so when I speak of AI, I really am including both of them, because the advances in what we call traditional AI have been very significant and really help the end results of what our clients are looking for as well. In terms of our approach, I can tell you that we have established some companywide AI initiatives. Those initiatives really work to core solutions that we're infusing AI into. Some of those already have AI, many of them do, as well as efficiency models, from how we develop code to how we run organizations like marketing, finance, and legal. So we're really looking at AI. I hate to say it, because it seems trite. It's like oxygen. I mean, AI is infused and will continually be infused throughout the company. And while there are some AI, if you will, specifically led engagements like the one for the restaurant I just talked about, we're doing more than AI work for them. And Mike talked about the data rich environment there and what we're doing in data analysis. But in most cases, we're simply putting AI and infusing it into all of our solutions. So I can't answer the question, and I don't think I'll ever be able to answer the question of what revenue is generated by generative AI. Because unlike, let's say, a specific technology company that is charging extra on top of their ordinary cost for generative AI. That's not our approach. Our approach is really to charge for our services and those services include AI and generative AI. That's really the way we're approaching it. I hope that helps.

That's helpful. Thanks, Peter. And just a modeling question. Can you remind us the cadence of your renewal schedule for next year? Is it a more first half weighted or back half weighted? Thank you.

Yes, that's a great question. And Deb, I'm going to turn that one over to you. So that is a. I guess what the question is really renewal about L&S. But I'm not sure.

Yes.

Okay, Deb.

Hi. As far as next year, we haven't really laid that out. We're still modeling that so we don't have, I can always offline or on another call lay that out. But for right now, I don't think we've really laid out the exact timing. We have laid out that 370 million per year over the next few years is what we expect. But we haven't laid out the quarter, so I'm not allowed to, you know, I can't give that to you.

Got it. Okay, thanks.

Thanks for the questions.

The next question comes from Arun Seshadri with BNP Paribas. Please go ahead. Hello, everyone.

Hello everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Just, first I just wanted to, talk a little bit about gross margin. Nice to see the improvement there. Is there any way to sort of talk about your proportion of overall cost of goods sold? Is it in terms of fixed versus variable, and are there any one timers in this quarter at all? I know that Q1 had a contract settlement benefits. I just wanted to understand if this was sort of like a run rate, sort of a run rate performance.

Yes, it's a great question. I'll turn it over to Deb in a second. Fixed versus variable is always a function of time, right. There's really almost no cost that is fixed forever, even real estate costs. And you've seen us actually drive real estate costs down over several years. So more a function of time. I can tell you that from a leadership standpoint and management standpoint, the shorter the time you can get costs from fixed to variable, the more flexible you will be. And I think we've done a very good job of that. A lot of the work we have done, obviously people costs are the majority of our total costs. And the changes we have made, which I alluded to in my remarks around the way we are creating really a fulsome, vibrant marketplace inside the company as jobs change and as jobs need new technologies, one of the things we are really encouraging our team to do is to get training. And we made that training available to the entire company in new technologies. We'd much rather have somebody evolve who is already an associate than someone who has to come into the company laterally. So that's an example of really kind of speeding up, if you will, the movement from a fixed to a variable compensation model. Deb, any further questions or more specifics on that?

No, I'll answer his question on the timing for gross margin. Is that really in Q2 from a year-over-year basis? There are no big callouts as far as onetime is. You're right that in Q1 there was that year-over-year one time, but not necessarily in Q2. But as a reminder, we've said before, the Ex-L&S gross margin improvement is not always going to be linear because there are quarter-to-quarter someone times and we're still holding to. But we had laid out at investor day that 150 to 200 basis point improvement a year in Ex-L&S gross margins. So, hopefully that answers the question.

I think it does.

And Mike, you have been one of the leading architects of in the company, working with Richie Kohari [ph] and our HR team, around, obviously to get back to the one of the points people cost is our largest type of expense. You want to give a little background on the work we're doing on that, because it really does point to the future and point to us to being a more efficient organization in kind of so many ways.

Yes. Thanks, Peter and everyone. Thanks for the question. Maybe the one piece I want to touch on was embedding your question. Is this a run rate? And Deb mentioned it already. We talked about a point and a half to two points of improvement in gross margin. Well, that's coming through. The efforts that Peter just mentioned. And our talent marketplace, the delivery component of that, continues to be refined, enhanced opportunities for our associates continue to be, I'll say, brought forward to them. Peter talked about the low attrition rate, the cultural aspect of what we're doing, opportunities to move vertically up the chain, is really important to us. The training efforts that we're putting in the pressure program and the talent acquisition at the junior level and training and holding on to those associates. I mean, we really took a kind of a grassroots level to kind of rethink our gross margin profile and think about it through the lens of the, I'll say, the happiness of the associate and what that drives to our clients as well as their skillset. So it really has been, I'll say we're not at the culmination yet of this. We're still kind of early on, which is why we're still talking around having another point and a half to two points of improvement over the course of the next two years consecutively. So we're seeing really good progress on track for what we said we were going to do at Investor day and have a good line of sight to continued improvement. So speaking to your run rate portion of that question, great.

Thank you very much.

You're welcome.

I have one more quick thing to ask in the, I think you said your l and s revenue, I guess this quarter, the somewhat deceleration on a year-over-year basis versus Q1 was generally as expected. Can you talk about the pipeline? And I guess when you look broadly into the second half of the year, despite the pipeline reduction, you still sound like you're pretty confident around a pickup in Ex-L&S revenue. Just talk about the drivers for that. Thank you.

So it was the first part of the question related to L&S or Ex-L&S. I just want to make sure I got the question right.

All of it was Ex-L&S.

Got it. Yes. So you are seeing from us, when we think about Ex-L&S, there are a couple of components to that. The base component is just like the L&S business. Ex-L&S has what we will call a renewal segment to it. And just like the L&S business, we have very, very high renewal rates and very successful on renewal rates. So when we talk about the advancement of the company, you see us talk about Ex-L&S and then you see us talk about new business Ex-L&S, because that is, that is really beyond the renewal rates. So new business has three parts to it. One is expansion and new scope within existing clients and the other is new logo. So when we talk about new business, it's all three of those components and all of them are above renewals. We think that's one of the best ways we can describe the growth and momentum in the company. On the new logo side, we expect continued increase in new logos in the second half, even compared to the first half. And the first half, as you have seen from our numbers, is a dramatic improvement over last year. So, if that is an indication of our competitiveness in the marketplace, we're ramping that up quite significantly. And I think that is a culmination of not only the maturity of our solutions, but also, informing people about the solutions. It's the marketing and communication, it's the new website, it's the. The new branding. All of those things have kind of taken about a year to fully mature, but they're mature. And so that's why we're seeing, I think, the ramp up in new logo. In terms of the rest of the business. On the expansion and new scope side, that depends on specific clients and specific client timing. I can tell you we've been very successful in terms of our win rates as well as in terms of marching forward as those clients in their mission specific environments require. So we feel very good about the momentum, as Mike said, not only in the cost efficiencies, but in the demand drivers and growth of the company. Mike, anything further on that?

Yes, maybe just one or two points. So you talked about the pipeline movement. I think Peter mentioned even earlier that the quality of the pipeline we think is better. And I think that is a real byproduct of the marketing efforts, the digital campaigns that we got going out. We're getting a lot more inbound, very specific to our solutions and our offerings. Right. So the alignment of that is really strong. And when I think about the maturity of the pipeline, a lot of our pipeline is in what we call the more mature aspect, which is we're in negotiation phase. Right. As opposed to the very early on prospecting. So we again, feel really good about our coverage ratio, feel good about our win rates, and really feel good about how that front end lead gen is really driving higher quality pipeline and hence higher win rates. So feeling I'm pretty bullish on that right now.

Thank you. The next question comes from Anja Soderstrom with Sidoti. Please go ahead.

…restaurant clients. Was that an existing client that you expanded with, helped by the AI and use cases, or was that a new logo for you?

So, Anja, thanks for the question. That is a new logo. We have very occasionally worked with that client over the years on a kind of a project by project basis in various parts of the world. But we really, in terms of this effort and working with that client, it's really a new logo for us and one we're very excited about.

Okay. Thank you. And then you mentioned you're rather competitive. And can you tell me a bit about the competitive environment if that has changed recently and also your pricing power?

Well, yes, so, I think we have been able to maintain, our estimated gross margins for both for new work, whether that is expansion, renewal, or new logo or new scope. Our competitors vary. It's a busy market with a lot of competitors. But as I alluded to in the prior answer, we're kind of creating our own identity. I think we are differentiating ourselves and we're doing that successfully. And the success we're having around new scope as well as the other elements of new business, I think we're kind of charting our own path, and I think that has been very successful and I think the market is understanding it. So, we're cognizant of other players, but at this point, we're really kind of marching ahead to our own drumbeat. And I think so far that's working pretty well.

Okay, thank you. And also, thanks. It seems like I'm moving in the right direction for you, but how do you perceive the macro environment and the customer sentiment? And is there any specific cost in terms of verticals?

Well, so when you look at verticals, as well as geography, we are pretty diversified. So when we look at revenue by, if you will, customer segment, whether it's commercial or whether it's public or whether it's financial services, you see us relatively evenly spaced between those three. And then from a geographic standpoint, again, you tend to see about 45%ish in the U.S. and Canada and about 55% in the rest of the world. So I think one of the advantages of our company is our diversification. And then from our solutions, again, our ECS and CA&I and DWS segments are all about the same size. So, what we tend to do is take advantage of that diversification. And where we see specific areas of opportunity, whether that's by geography, whether that's by solution, whether that's by client vertical, we tend to rush more resources into those areas. So that goes back, Anja, to an earlier question about fixed versus variable cost. We're really quite able, in the way we have organized the company with our go-to-market, to be able to see, like, where can we rush in? And that go-to-market increasingly covers all of our solutions in all geographies. So it gives us a little more variability. So I think everybody on this call is aware, there are some geographies that are moving ahead more smartly than others. There are some industry verticals that are moving ahead faster than others. And our approach is we're in all of those and to take advantage of those. Mike, any other thought on that?

Yes. Look, Anja, thanks for the question. The only thing I would say part of your comment there, I think, was in regards to the macros and what we're seeing in the market, I've not really seen huge movement yet. I mean, we're, I think we're all kind of waiting a little bit for this uptick to come, but it's been pretty consistent, maybe getting a little better, a little less pressure. But look, the companies that we're dealing with are still very cost conscious. Peter really talked about our ability from a defensive perspective to make sure we've got diversity not only in geography, but in the markets we serve. That has served us well in the past and continues to serve us well. We have a very high renewal rate, as we talked about, and a very high recurring revenue base. Right. So I think we've been, protected nicely in that regard and starting to see the market turn a little bit. And I think as evidenced by the tremendous first half we've been having on new logo, and as we've indicated a couple times during this call, we expect that momentum to continue in the back half.

Okay, thank you. And one last question. In regards to the CapEx spend, what are you investing in? And do you expect that to be the same level in the coming years or come down or increase? How should we think about CapEx spend?

Yes. Anja, that's a great question. I'm going to turn over to Deb in just a second. Historically we have, I think, been a proponent, at least. Going back to your question about the sector and the industry, we have a relatively CapEx light approach. So, we don't think it's necessarily beneficial for the company to take on a great deal of CapEx in terms of deals. We don't think that that makes sense for most of our clients. And so you actually see us declining CapEx over the last several years to the current ratio. And we had a $3 million uptick this quarter. Not a significant uptick. And that will change from quarter-to-quarter. We do a significant amount of CapEx investment in what we call our L&S business that is not at all a static business, even though from a revenue standpoint, it's relatively. We're saying over the next three years, we expect about $375 million a year in it, but we do a lot of work to make that happen. And then obviously, outside of that, you have specific investments in new technologies and occasionally for clients. So, Deb, do you have any specific comments to give to Anja on the level of CapEx and kind of what we've talked about, what we're seeing this year compared to last year, perhaps a view to next year.

Yes. So we typically say, Anja, about 4% to 5% of revenue is where we've been running in CapEx. So as revenue goes up, the CapEx will raise slightly due to customer related, client related CapEx. But that's typically where we are this year and where we expect to continue.

If I could. On you just on. Sorry, I was just going to say just a tad bit of color on that. We've been continuing to build out our partner ecosystem as well. That's one of the ways we kind of maintain the, I'll say, the innovation component of our solution offering. So, Deb's spot on, as is Peter. We've kind of gotten to a fairly normalized level of CapEx spend, and the variation in that CapEx spend is largely due to certain of our solutions and can be variable.

Okay, great. That’s all for me.

Anja, thanks very much for the questions.

The next question comes from Kellyn [Indiscernible] with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys, just quickly wanted to follow up on the total pipeline. Obviously, we saw a decline sequentially, but sounds like that's more of a timing nuance than anything. So could you just give us some color as to how you see that trending in the back half of the year when looking across the renewal calendar that you have?

Yes, it's a great question. As I pointed out in my comments, the pipeline, the total pipeline is down a little bit. Frankly, we expected that given the success we have had in the new logo signings, but it's important to replace it. The other thing I would point out, and I think Mike alluded to this in one of the earlier questions, our win rates for new logo signings have got up significantly, and so that adds to the quality of that pipeline. But Mike, do you want to talk specifically about how you see the pipeline refreshing over the next six months in the next year?

Sure. Great question. Again, when I look at the coverage of our pipeline, yes, it's down slightly, but we had such a high renewal session really in Q4 of last year, and that drove some of that pipeline down. But the prospecting that we're seeing come through that pipeline, normally that's like a two to three, three quarter refresh cycle. We do have some really interesting opportunities that we expect to be replenishing that with over the back half of this year. But again, as we continue to expand our win rates and close more deals, you don't need as large a pipeline in order to do that. And we have more coverage than we need to do, what we need to accomplish for this year. So we're pretty comfortable with where we're at and really focused on the quality of that pipeline, the conversion rate of that pipeline, and the win rates. So I think you should think about on the back half of a high renewal quarter that you've got a quarter or two to replenish that pipeline. But I think you'll see a fairly consistent level of overall pipeline for us pretty much around where we're at. I expect it to come up slightly, but again, the coverage ratio that we look for, we're well in line with.

And just one last one for me on the pension. It seems like the estimate's mostly unchanged from your comments, but can you just give us high level thoughts on how those may fluctuate if we do enter a rate cutting environment in the back half of the year?

Also a very good question, Deb, over to you.

Okay, great. So I think from an interest rate perspective, because the contributions are on a 25 year average number, it doesn't impact that so much. And so I think, the real impact as interest rates come lower if there's benefit on the asset returns for the fixed income assets we have within the portfolio, that's where we'll really see, most likely some benefit if the market's moving that way. So -- but we are, very diversified in the assets we have. And so, as you've seen over the past few quarters, not too much volatility. And so, we think, that that will continue.

Thank you so much.

And I think, I think -- and just to kind of put a, to summarize, I think to your point regarding pension, I think what we're really happy about is just the progress we're making on Ex-L&S margin, which will be improving our operating profit or EBITDA SG&A initiatives that we're working on, as well as some of those cash flow items we talked about declining over the next few years. So what's good is we feel really good about where we're going as far as being able to meet those obligations and meet the goals that we laid out on investor day.

Great. Thank you so much.

Thanks for the question.

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Peter Altabef for any closing remarks.

Well, thanks everyone for being on the call. As you can see from our published earnings release as well as the quality of this call, the numbers, I think, speak for themselves. The Company is excited about the progress we're making. We're frankly thankful for the engagement of you on this call. And we have a continuing information session. So the information that we're posting on the IR site continues to be dynamic and we refer you to it. And the information about our solutions and our interaction with customers is also dynamic. So a lot of the work we have done on the website is not only for the benefit of clients and prospects and third party advisors, but frankly also for you. And so we hope you take advantage of that and we continue to be eager to engage in conversations with you as time goes on. So thanks very much on behalf of Deb and Mike, appreciate greatly you being on the call. Thank you. Operator.

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