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Unisys Corporation (UIS)

Q4 2023 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 21, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good day. And welcome to the Unisys’ Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Michaela Pewarski, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Michaela Pewarski

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. This morning, Unisys released its fourth quarter and full year financial results. I'm joined this morning to discuss those results by Peter Altabef, our Chair and CEO; Deb McCann, our CFO; and Mike Thomson, our President, and COO, who will participate in the Q&A session. As a reminder, certain statements in today's conference call contain estimates and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of the securities laws. We caution listeners that the current expectations, assumptions, and beliefs forming the basis for our forward-looking statements include many factors that are beyond our ability to control or estimate precisely. This could cause results to differ materially from our expectations. These items can also be found in the forward-looking statements section of today's earnings release furnished on Form 8-K and in our most recent Forms 10-K and 10-Q as filed with the SEC. We do not, by including this statement, assume any obligation to review or revise any particular forward-looking statement referenced herein in light of future events. We will also be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures such as non-GAAP operating profit or adjusted EBITDA that exclude certain items such as post-retirement expense, cost reduction activities and other expenses, the company believes are not indicative of its ongoing operations as they may be unusual or nonrecurring. We believe these measures provide a more complete understanding of our financial performance. However, they are not intended to be a substitute for GAAP. The non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the related GAAP measures, and we have provided reconciliations within the presentation. The slides accompanying today's presentation are available on our website. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Peter.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Thank you, Michaela. Good morning and thank you all for joining us to discuss the company’s fourth quarter and full year results. Our fourth quarter performance capped a successful year for the company. Despite ongoing macroeconomic uncertainty, we delivered on our targets and progressed toward our long-term goals. In 2023, we grew full year revenue by 1.8% as reported and 1.6% in constant currency. Our non-GAAP operating margin was 7% for the year and adjusted EBITDA margin was 14.2%. All of these metrics were above our original guided ranges and above the upwardly revised ranges we provided last quarter. Excluding License and Support, revenue grew 4.9%, both as reported and in constant currency in 2023. During the year, we strengthened our foundation for growth in multiple ways. First, we demonstrated strong client loyalty. Renewing 96% of the contracts was more than $1 million in TCV that came up per renewal in 2023. We also improved our new business signings and pipeline in 2023. New business TCV grew 18% from the prior year and we grew our new business pipeline by 19%. During the year, we also built awareness for our solution portfolio with clients, partners, industry analysts and advisors. For instance, we improved our ranking in nearly half of the major 2023 Analyst and Advisor reports that had included Unisys in the prior year. We also forged several new partnerships, including two arrangements with consulting partners that are expected to drive referrals to Unisys as their preferred solution integrator. At the same time, we strengthened and expanded key relationships with hyperscalers, OEMs and other alliances. Finally, we made investments in innovation to expand our next generation solutions and advance industry specific solutions such as Unisys logistics optimization. These accomplishments support future growth and advance us toward our long-term goal. Before…

Deb McCann

Analyst

Thank you, Peter, and good morning, everyone. My discussion today will refer to slides in the supplemental presentation posted on our website. I will refer to revenue as reported as well as in constant currency, but with segment revenue growth only in constant currency. I will also provide information excluding License and Support, or Ex-L&S, to allow investors to assess progress we are making outside the portion of ECS, where revenue and profit recognition is tied to license renewal timing, which can be uneven. As Peter highlighted, we exceeded our upwardly revised 2023 revenue and profitability guidance and laid a strong foundation to support our future growth. Our performance this year progressed us towards our longer-term goals and demonstrates the resilience of our recurring revenue in an uncertain macroeconomic environment. We also furthered our cost initiatives, which will remain a priority in 2024, and will lay the groundwork for continued profitability and cash flow improvement. Looking at our results in more detail, you can see on slide 5 that fourth quarter revenue was $558 million, up 0.1% year-over-year, or a negative 2.1% decline in constant currency. The decline was expected and driven by license renewal timing in our ECS segment. For the full year, revenue was $2.02 billion, up 1.8% year-over-year as reported, and up 1.6% in constant currency. Excluding License and Support, fourth quarter revenue was $413 million, up 6.8% year-over-year as reported, or 4.3% in constant currency. For the full year, Ex-L&S revenue was $1.59 billion, up 4.9% year-over-year as reported and in constant currency. These Ex-L&S solutions accounted for 79% of total company revenue and had a next-gen solutions mix of 38% in 2023. Now let's look at our segment revenue, which you can find on slide 6. A reminder that the segment revenue growth rates I…

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Deb, thank you very much. With that, we'll turn the call over to questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question today comes from Rod Bourgeois with DeepDive Equity Research.

Rod Bourgeois

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you. So first, I want to ask about the bookings and pipeline activity. And it's a two part question. So your quarter-to-quarter and year-to-year bookings surges were very strikingly strong there. And it also enabled some backlog expansion. So my first question on that is, how did you pull that off? And essentially in your turnaround progress, what's the main effort that's enabled that level of bookings activity? And then I'll ask a follow-up on that as well.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Yes, Rod. So thanks for the question. I'll take the first part of that and then let Mike take the second part. We have consistently said it's, there is lumpiness, particularly in our renewal timing. And so what we had in the fourth quarter was simply a very strong quarter of renewals and also a strong quarter of what we consider new business, which is new logos, expansion and new scope of existing clients. As I said in my discussion earlier, much of our success in 2023 was really a very, very strong new business year. And we have indications of a much stronger new logo year in ‘24. So I would say, we are pleased with the fourth quarter performance. It is lumpy, but that's kind of the way our business is. But the most important element I would say to answer your question is really the growth and the pipeline quality for Ex-L&S. So if we take L&S out and say, that's going to go up and it's going to go down. We had strength in L&S in 2023. We increased our guidance for L&S in 2024. All that is good. And obviously that's very important for cash flow and profit as well. But long term, that strength of Ex-L&S and increasing the profitability, increasing the revenue, increasing the quality of pipeline, that will give us more, we hope, that will give us more breathing room going forward. Mike, any thoughts on that?

Mike Thomson

Analyst

Yes. Hey, Rod. Thanks for the question. Yes, look here, I think you covered a good chunk of it, but I would say that is the byproduct of a lot of the hard work that we've been doing all year. The macros have been a little tough and folks have been a little delayed in signing. And some of those renewals came in the fourth quarter for the Ex-L&S business. I think that the things I would call out that I would want you to take away is not only where they sign, but they ultimately signed at higher value. So our pricing power was really strong in regards to the offerings that we brought forth. There was new scope associated with those signings. The expansion and consumption of those accounts were strong as well. So not only did we do 96% sign for the year and had a very strong fourth quarter. We saw cross-selling, we saw expansion, we saw pricing power contained and embedded in that. So we ended up increasing revenue, increasing margin on those renewals, which as you know, makes a stronger backlog and booking for the subsequent year or ‘24 as well. So we're really pleased with the execution. We're pleased with the ability for us to kind of differentiate in the market and see the acceptance of our next-gen solution by that existing base. So the byproduct of a lot of hard work, I think.

Rod Bourgeois

Analyst

Okay, great. And then the follow-up on that is when you have that level of bookings, it detracts some from the pipeline, at least in the near term. From your commentary, it sounded like the pipeline with new logos is still strong even after the Q4 bookings. And so I guess what I want to ask here is in your pipeline with existing clients, do you expect that pipeline to re-expand in upcoming months? In other words, it seems like you should be heading into a period of pipeline replenishment, and I'm looking for any outlook on that front.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Mike?

Mike Thomson

Analyst

Yes, Peter, if you don't mind, I'll take that one and then flip it back to you or Deb if you want to have some additional commentary. So, Rod, I guess the short answer is we're happy too with the base of our prospecting portion of the pipeline. You're exactly right. Even though we increased our backlog year-on-year, signing that level of renewals and new business certainly depletes that pipeline, but we've got a great line of site into the prospecting aspect of that. And we have a new logo, strong pipeline. We talked about some of the increase there as well. So both a new logo and an expansion, and we fully expect the same kinds of levels of increases in the existing base for the things that are up for renewal in the current year as well. So, again, I think pretty consistent to your question, pretty consistent with our prospects for growth in ‘24.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Yes, Rod, I don't have anything to add. Yes, Deb and I, we'll yield to Mike on that.

Deb McCann

Analyst

Right.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

I guess the only thing I would add is when we do talk about pipeline, Rod, the fact that we have 18% new business growth in the pipeline. And you're right. A lot of that is new logo. I do expect the new scope to increase over time. There is a little bit of reloading of that. But I'm really happy with where the pipeline is from a quality standpoint as well. So when we look at where we are in the kind of staging, we think that we're significantly better off than we were last year at this point.

Rod Bourgeois

Analyst

All right, if I can flip one more in, I've got to ask, the L&S average revenue outlook, you've upped that. That's really important. Can you just talk about what's enabling that? We might have seen some of the early signs of that brewing last year, but it's nice to see it coming through in your actual outlook now. So can you talk about the enabler of the L&S revenue outlook uptick?

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Yes, so, David, if I could take that.

Deb McCann

Analyst

Oh, you want to start? Okay.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Yes, I was going to start and then let you follow up on that.

Deb McCann

Analyst

Okay, great.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

When we look at what happened in 2023, there were a couple of things that happened in the L&S. We had a better L&S year 2023 than we thought we would have. Now, part of that was due to a contract that we thought would be a one year renewal, and it turned out to be a five year renewal. So that was the clients doing, not ours. We were happy to make that five year renewal instead of a one year. But beyond that, you saw increases in revenue on L&S, kind of in several of our relationships due really to consumption patterns. And so this was kind of an example of what we've been talking about, Rod, you're right. And we were able to see that in actuality in 2023. Now, the interesting thing about 2024 is one would assume because we had a five year renewal instead of a one year renewal in 2023 that our L&S revenue would take a hit in 2024 for that. The reality is we're increasing our L&S expectations for 2024 and increasing the three year average for ‘24, ‘25 and ‘26. And so that overcomes, first of all, the renewal. Right? We've got to fill that gap, if you will. And it goes beyond that. And that is really largely because of those consumption patterns. So we're pleasantly looking at the numbers for L&S. It still will be lumpy from year to year. But we do believe that is a nice sign to see. Deb, over to you.

Deb McCann

Analyst

Right. And I think, Peter, you covered it. I think, we're in the past often it would be L&S performed better, but it impacted the next years. And so we're happy to see that this, even though the events that happened in ‘23 that had L&S overachieving, it isn't having an impact on future years. So I think Peter said it all.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Anja Soderstrom with Sidoti.

Anja Soderstrom

Analyst · Sidoti.

Hi, thank you for taking my questions. And I have some follow-ups on the commentary. So you are saying the new logo has been strong. And what has been driving the new logo and where they are coming from? Are they replaced -- are you replacing someone else or?

Peter Altabef

Analyst · Sidoti.

Yes, so thanks Anja, very good question. As I said in my remarks, the majority of our new business revenue in the year, which is both new logo, new scope and expansion, came from existing clients, which happens every year frankly. But also the same this year. We do expect new logo revenue to increase in 2024. Now to your question about where new logo revenue comes from, it really can only come from a couple of sources. So one source is it's just brand new work. So think of generative AI consulting work or those similar projects. They might not have existed before. So everyone in our business is kind of scrambling for that work. The second source is from clients that had work that was internal to their operations. And they've decided to give it to an external provider like us. And the third element is where we are competing for existing work that is within external provider. And we kind of take that work away through the competition process. So those are kind of the three elements. Mike, any thoughts on that?

Mike Thomson

Analyst · Sidoti.

Yes, I think the two that Peter mentioned are certainly the most prevalent. There is the first time, I'll say, outsourced managed service component. And then there is obviously the market share component of that. And we have been aggressively active in all markets. We've seen a pretty nice uptick in EMEA as it pertains to new logo. The other piece I would add to that is also the cross-sell in our existing base, right, when we talk about new business. We're about 39-ish percent cross-sold, so we do have opportunity to grow new business in the existing base through cross-selling. But I would say the heavier two components are going after additional market share and first-time outsource for managed service contracts, as Peter alluded to.

Anja Soderstrom

Analyst · Sidoti.

Okay, thank you. In terms of consumption patterns, what has been the biggest surprise to you?

Peter Altabef

Analyst · Sidoti.

Mike?

Mike Thomson

Analyst · Sidoti.

Yes, so I assume, Anja, you're talking about consumption pattern in L&S with that question. Look, I think when you look at what's going on in the market right now and obviously all of the efforts around AI and building out models and needing more compute and needing more power, we've been seeing probably over the course of the last 18 to 24 months continued increases in consumption. And that's one of the reasons why we ultimately upped our future three year average by $10 million because it's a byproduct of what we've been seeing over the course of the last 18 to 24 months. And I think it's frankly just a natural spin-off of the build-out of LLMs and other more complex models and storage needs, things along that line from a compute power perspective. So really pretty consistent to what we're seeing in the market overall.

Peter Altabef

Analyst · Sidoti.

Anja, thanks for your comments. No, go ahead, please.

Anja Soderstrom

Analyst · Sidoti.

Okay. I have one more question in terms of the banking or financial services, it's been a big challenge you said during the past year. What are you seeing there now? Is that easing up or?

Peter Altabef

Analyst · Sidoti.

Yes, so Deb, do you want to comment on that from a number standpoint? And then Mike can provide some color in terms of marketing.

Deb McCann

Analyst · Sidoti.

Yes, so we discussed that in our CA&I section, just saying that there is a little softness there. Where budgets have been a little challenged and so a lot of our growth this year was really more commercial and public sector. So I don't have the specific numbers in front of me, but that's the color around some of that CA&I revenue. So I think as far as the softness, I'm not sure, Mike, if you want to comment on any trends you've seen, different than that.

Mike Thomson

Analyst · Sidoti.

Yes, look, I think it's a little more just hesitancy in the macro. I don't view it as being something that is in perpetuity where they're just not spending. I think there's, we're just seeing more free spending in commercial and public sectors. And I would say a little bit of hesitancy in banking and financial services. But I would echo or at least comment that when we look at the new logo pipeline in ‘24, there are plenty of folks in those sectors embedded in that new logo pipeline. So again, I think it's probably just an output of macroeconomics that we're starting to see loosen a little bit.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Arun Seshadri with BNP Paribas.

Arun Seshadri

Analyst · BNP Paribas.

Hi, everybody. Thanks for taking my questions and appreciate all the details and the outlook today. Just wanted to understand if you look overall at Ex-L&S revenue growth guide, given your signings, it seems like you're being somewhat conservative for 2023. I think you guided for a pretty wide range of outcomes on top line in Ex-L&S and came in near the high end. Are you taking a similar conservative approach? Is that a result of, I guess, hesitancy in the macro on the broader enterprise side? Do you still expect to see more, I guess, spending from the commercial and public sectors? Just some color would be helpful.

Peter Altabef

Analyst · BNP Paribas.

Yes. So Arun, thank you very much for that. I guess let me start and then turn it over to Deb. So the first thing I would say is we really do not ever try to give a conservative approach to our numbers. So our numbers are our expectations in 2023 we thought that we were exceeding those expectations. And so we raised guidance during the year. And then of course, the ultimate numbers came out even better than the raised guidance. But I think that is just more a function of the uncertainty in the market, Arun. There was a lot going on in 2023. And, frankly, we're very pleased with the fact that we performed, L&S was better than expected, Ex-L&S was better than expected. We kind of outperformed our guidance across the board. In 2024, we are expecting healthy growth in Ex-L&S and healthy growth in the profitability of Ex-L&S. And that's part of really kind of what we hope to be a multiyear expansion. So turning it over to Deb, but I think we've built in for us, some pretty good numbers in Ex-L&S for ‘24. And Deb will go through those in detail. But I certainly hope that we excel over those. But we're starting for pretty good numbers. Deb?

Deb McCann

Analyst · BNP Paribas.

Hi, thanks, Peter. Yes. So for 2023, like Peter said, we saw ourselves out performing, we raised guidance even between Q3 and the end of the year, it was very specific items where a few smaller deals came in L&S that we didn't anticipate. And then there were some uncertainties in our Ex-L&S revenue that we were working through and were able to get all of that worked through. And so that enabled us to come in over our guidance. So I think Peter said it well. And I think we're very comfortable kind of where we're saying for 2024 with Ex-L&S growth, continued growth, more than 150 to 200 basis points of Ex-L&S gross margin expansion, as we really look to the mix, change the mix shift towards more of a higher margin solution as we continue delivery improvements, automation. A lot of the work we're doing around SG&A to get that more normalized with our peers. So a lot of the work we're doing is really, we feel makes us comfortable with our 2024 guidance.

Arun Seshadri

Analyst · BNP Paribas.

Thank you. Just a follow-up from me, from a cost saving standpoint, it sounds like you still expect a fairly significant margin uptick in 2025 versus 2024. I just wanted to see if you could provide any context in terms of, I guess numerically, obviously it's early to call, but just from a SG&A percent of revenue and from a gross margin perspective, how much additional upside do you think there is in 2025 versus 2024, obviously as the pension contribution ramps in ‘25 and that's sort of the baseline for the question.

Peter Altabef

Analyst · BNP Paribas.

Yes, that's also really good question. So Deb I'm going to get it to you in just one second and that is so we have put Deb in charge of kind of a multiyear SG&A effort. That effort started in earnest last year relatively early last year and will extend through this year and ‘25 and ‘26. So Deb has put together a plan working with the rest of our team that we expect will lower SG&A as a percentage of revenue over that time frame and continue to lower it over that time frame. So it's not a one-time thing for us, Arun. It's very well planned. It has its own project leader and we are performing according to plan. We lowered what we thought would be SG&A spend. We will lower it again in ‘24 and expect to continue to lower it in ‘25 and ‘26. That is at the same time making more investments that are SG&A investments in things like artificial intelligence. So where we think under Deb's leadership, we've got a solid approach to this and certainly we'll let Deb outline how that approach works over time.

Deb McCann

Analyst · BNP Paribas.

Right, yes, so Arun, I would say the gross margin expansion is a little more of a slow and steady. So we plan an Ex-L&S to do $150 million to $200 million and that's what we had laid out kind of a slow and steady margin improvement. That along with our L&S revenue of $370 million average a year and that's at about 65% gross margin and then as well as the SG&A efforts Peter talked about. I think you're right that is a little more we expect to achieve on an annualized basis about 70% of that by the end of this year and so that does take because we have to do some investments in order to save. So that will, as opposed to the gross margin, that's more slow and steady. SG&A will kind of be more of a, you'll see that more in 2025. And then in addition to that, to get to the free cash flow that we laid out, there's some other things on the free cash flow side that we're working, such as improving our working capital dynamics. Some of the more one-time cash flow items will start to go down over these next few years and so that's another important part of the formula to get us to those free cash flow numbers we've laid out as part of our long-term targets.

Arun Seshadri

Analyst · BNP Paribas.

Thank you so much.

Mike Thomson

Analyst · BNP Paribas.

If I could jump in as well, just one quick comment. Deb mentioned $150 million. It was 150 to 200 basis points of improvement in gross margin. And if you look at the Investor Day materials that we put out, you would see in there that it infers additional improvement in basis points in 2025 and ‘26, kind of consistent in that matter now, we're not saying that is kind of a linear path and it's going to be the same amount every year, so we will ebb and flow a bit. But as Peter mentioned in his opening remarks, we're doing quite a bit in regards to the associate base, right-skilling, right-shoring, AI, automation, speeding up sourcing, all kinds of elements embedded in kind of managing that resource delivery. So we think that's going to yield additional benefits in the outer years to get us aligned with the projections that we put out in Investor Day.

Arun Seshadri

Analyst · BNP Paribas.

Got it, thank you everyone. Can I ask one last thing? On the pension cliff, it sounds like you've made a good amount of progress reducing that cliff the 2026 to ‘29 cliff by some $10 million to $20 million a year. Any sort of high level thoughts on sort of your plans for 2024 in terms of further progress there? Thank you.

Peter Altabef

Analyst · BNP Paribas.

Yes, Deb, do you want to say something?

Deb McCann

Analyst · BNP Paribas.

Sure. Yes, so we're, the contributions came down and that's primarily driven by asset returns. And so there's, we try to manage that and we don't have full control over asset returns. And so we put in the slide deck a sensitivity so you can understand that. But as we've spoken about and continue our plan to really look at continuing to de-risk the plan, we took out, we had two annuity purchases in 2023. We'll continue to look at that given market conditions if another one makes sense. And so the goal there is just to lower the amount of liabilities using plan assets, not corporate cash, to just overall lower the risk there and the volatility of the overall pension plan. So that's one of our strategies, a key strategy for now, but we're always looking at all of our options as it relates to pension, pending market conditions and what makes sense at the time.

Operator

Operator

You're welcome. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Peter Altabef for any closing remarks.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Thanks, Betsy, very much. I'd like to thank everybody for joining the call. I know we went a little over today, but the questions were really good and so we wanted to give everybody an opportunity to ask them. When you review our materials on the website, you'll see some modernization. So kind of our one pager has been updated. It's got a different format. And even the slides that we have showed over the course of this call have some different formatting and we have even more information in the appendix to those slides. So I do hope that you take some time and look at the materials. And of course, our Investor Relations team is always available for any follow-on questions as is Mike and Deb and myself. With that, thank you very much and appreciate you joining the call.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.