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Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 23, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Unisys Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to turn the conference over to Michaela Pewarski, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Michaela Pewarski

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. This is Michaela Pewarski, Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you for joining us. Yesterday afternoon, Unisys released its fourth quarter and full year 2022 financial results. I'm joined this morning to discuss those results by Peter Altabef, our Chair and CEO; Deb McCann, our CFO; and Mike Thomson, our COO, who will participate in the Q&A session. Before we begin, I'd like to cover a few details. First, today's conference call and the Q&A session are being webcast via the Unisys Investor website. Second, you can find the earnings press release and presentation slides that we'll be using this morning to guide our discussion as well as other information relating to our fourth quarter and full year performance on our Investor Relations website, which we encourage you to visit. Third, today's presentation, which is complementary to the earnings press release, includes some non-GAAP financial measures. The non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the related GAAP measures, and we have provided reconciliations within the presentation. I would also like to remind you that all forward-looking statements made during this conference call, including any references to guidance or color regarding expected future financial performance, are subject to various risks and uncertainties and that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. These factors are discussed more fully in the earnings release and the company's SEC filings. Copies of those SEC reports are available from the SEC and along with other materials I mentioned earlier, Unisys Investor website. To the extent that we provide any guidance or color regarding expected future performance, such information is effective only on the date given and Unisys does not assume any obligation to update this information or any other information presented on this call, except as Unisys deems necessary and then only in a manner that complies with Regulation FD. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Peter.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Thank you, Michaela. Good morning, and thank you for joining us to discuss Unisys Fourth quarter and full year 2022 results. We had a solid finish to the year, allowing us to hold revenue flat on a constant currency basis during the year impacted by macroeconomic and geopolitical uncertainty. And we closed the year above the midpoint of the revenue and profit guidance ranges we provided on our third quarter call. We believe the fourth quarter is evidence that our approach is working. Our higher growth and higher-margin solutions are gaining momentum. This is especially evident when viewing our performance excluding License and Support or L&S, which fluctuates based on the timing of license renewals. To provide investors with increased transparency into the business, we will discuss ex L&S revenue growth on a quarterly basis. This will be helpful when looking ahead to our 2023 expense performance, which on the service will show declines in total revenue, profit margin and EBITDA margin due to the light L&S renewal schedule we discussed last quarter, overshadowing the underlying improvement we expect to achieve at our ex L&S solutions. As we start 2023, we believe the new Unisys brand is resonating with our clients, prospects, third-party advisers and industry analysts and our pipeline and TCV trends highlight our strengthening position. Deb will provide detailed commentary on our financial results overall and by segment, and an update on our U.S. qualified defined benefit plans and other global defined been plans. But first, I will discuss our focus areas and provide an update on several important initiatives, setting the stage for what we believe will be future growth and margin improvement over the coming years. I'll first discuss our key focus areas, including modern workplace, Digital Platforms and Applications or DP&A and Specialized Services and…

Debra McCann

Analyst

Thank you, Peter, and good morning, everyone. In my discussion today, I will refer to both GAAP and non-GAAP results. As a reminder, reconciliations of these metrics are available in our supplemental earnings materials posted on our Investor Relations website. First, I want to emphasize that Peter's discussion of Next-Gen solutions and ex License and Support or L&S performance has been introduced in an effort to adjust feedback we have received from our stakeholders to provide increased visibility into the business. Going forward, Peter will continue to discuss our Next-Gen solutions given they are areas of strategic and sales focus that we believe will drive future revenue growth and margin expansion. We will mostly provide leading indicators such as TCV, ACV and pipeline for these Next-Gen solutions. . We are also providing ex L&S revenue to allow investors to isolate the impact of license renewals, which tend to be lumpy and related support services and evaluate the progress we are making in the business outside of this area. My commentary will continue to focus primarily on our reportable segments of digital workplace solutions, cloud applications and infrastructure and enterprise compute solutions. Our segments are aligned with how we operate the business organize our teams and deliver our solutions. As Peter discussed, while 2022 was a challenging year, we were pleased with the year-end performance in each of our segments. Our go-to-market and labor efficiency initiatives are beginning to show in our results. We are also exiting the year energized by the and a strong quarter of TCV and ACV. For the full year 2022, company revenue totaled $1.98 billion, a 0.1% increase on a constant currency basis, in line with guidance we provided last quarter and a 3.6% decline on a reported basis. We saw strong performance in modern workplace…

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Thank you, Deb. With that, I would note that for the Q&A section, in addition to Deb, we're joined today by Chief Operating Officer, Mike Thomson. The 3 of us will be pleased to respond to any questions you may have. . Operator, would you please open the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question will come from Rod Bourgeois with DeepDive Equity Research.

Rod Bourgeois

Analyst

I want to ask for some more color on your next-generation solutions segment. It would be great to get your sort of updated view on what's key to your strategy in each of those next-generation segments? And you've just been through a rebranding effort and you made a lot of go-to-market changes over the last year or so. And I'd also like kind of an update on how you see benefits or even further challenges occurring in light of the rebranding and other go-to-market changes that you've put in place

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Yes, Rob, thanks for the question. I think I'll start with a bit on the branding and then turn it over to Mike Thomson to talk about the next-generation solutions. It's relatively early days on the branding. We launched that just about, I think, a week after Thanksgiving of last year, but I have to tell you we have been really encouraged by the response. And some of that is data. As you can see from my remarks, the number of people coming to the site has increased. The number -- the time people have spend on the site once they get engaged, has increased dramatically. But anecdotally, at this point, you're only going to have anecdotal comments on the bigger effect of that new brand. I've talked to clients, I've talked to prospects. I've talked to both prospective clients as well as prospective associates. Just people in the industry in general, who have kind of spontaneously come up to me and said, "This is really terrific stuff." So I do think that it is being well received. And I think long term, it's going to have a lot of benefit for us. We don't think of marketing and communications as separate from the rest of the company. So when we talk about metrics, we're really talking about what happens to our TCV. What happens to our ACV. What happens to our pipeline. It really is just part of the company advancing. We do think about branding and those efforts with some additional metrics, such as we measure awareness of our TPAs. We measure awareness of the marketplace. We measure the number of articles and pieces being written about us, but we're really encouraged by how that has started. With respect to the Next-Gen solution. I'm going to turn it over to Mike and see and ask him to follow your question.

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Ron, thanks for the question. I guess I'll start with what we're planning to do an industry or an Analyst Day in June, and we will give a much deeper explanation because frankly, I could fill the rest of the time slide here talking about the strategy in all of Next-Gen solutions. So I'll start with just giving some highlights on kind of where we're at and where we're going. And again, I'll leave the teaser for the June meeting where we'll get into real depth in each one of those areas. I would say, Rod, that right now, we're pleasantly surprised and pleased, surprised maybe not so much the right word, but pleased with the penetration that we're getting with the Next-Gen solutions. When you think about our DWS primary offering there and the experienced-based solution, it is being very well received in the market. We're getting a tremendous amount of commentary from clients, prospective clients, certainly industry analysts. I think the tie-in of data and experience is critical to our strategy there, right? So it's the combination of both health of the technical equipment as well as the insight of the people using the equipment. And that's tied through both unified communications as well as endpoint management, service desk and field services. So the combination that we're able to pull together from a data point of view, experiencing all of those elements really gives us insight into our clients' environment. And that is really, I think, starting to resonate from a client perspective. So all ahead full on that front from DWS and again, really happy with the results we're seeing to date. CA&I, just to touch on that one for a minute or 2 is really about the application layer. And I guess, to some degree, I…

Rod Bourgeois

Analyst

That's helpful. And just a follow-up related to that. You've given us a helpful update on the L&S component of your ECS business. But I also just wanted to ask, are there other efforts going on in that ECS business? And I'm wondering to what extent you see opportunities to maybe add new logo wins in the ECS segment? Is it kind of supplement what you're seeing on the L&S renewal side?

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Yes. Look, another great question, Rod. So we do see opportunity for new logo in that space. Not all -- I mean, really, when we talk about SS&C, it's our kind of next-generation compute element there, right? So there's definitely opportunity for different types of compute. You mentioned some of those edge, serverless quantum, et cetera. Certainly, those would come with new logo opportunities. So really, we're looking at both expansion opportunities within SS&C to bring on new scope outside of the traditional L&S element of that. We also are, as you know, trying to cross penetrate those clients with both DWS and CA&I opportunities. So there's real big expansion opportunities there. And there are certainly new logo opportunities in the construct of SS&C. One of the things that's pretty interesting right now for us, and Peter mentioned in his prepared remarks, is in the cargo space. We think we have some real expertise in that arena and some opportunities to really expand our footprint there.

Rod Bourgeois

Analyst

Got it. And then just a final, in the last several quarters, we've talked a lot about labor cost, talent availability, attrition and so on. I mean, are you -- can you just give us an update on the trend that you're seeing, particularly just on the overall labor cost side? Is it -- is there continuing to be some attenuation there on the labor front in terms of the cost?

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Yes. Well, so when it comes to labor, Rod, thank you for the questions, both to Mike and to me. When it comes to the labor, there's really 2 elements to that. One is the cost and what is the cost at a certain level of attrition. So it's a little bit of a supply-demand equation. When we look at our attrition label -- attrition rate, we actually see, as I mentioned, attrition going down. It went down points. So -- and it's now at 18%, which for our business, remember, that's a mix of not only people doing application development, but people doing support desk and people doing BPO activities where attrition historically can be higher. So we think 18% is very manageable and is not unusual. As I said, it's pretty much back to pre-COVID levels. Now at that rate, we are focused on specific areas where there is still what I would call an imbalance between demand and supply. Central Europe is one of those places where there is continued to be an imbalance. In the rest of our sectors, we tend to see everything calming down a little bit. It is very different from this quarter last year when there was really a very, very flat market. We think that there's still significant demand for labor, but it's moving back to ordinary course. It's not there yet, but it's moving back there.

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Yes, Rod, I would add, too. We had about a 50 bps increase -- I'm sorry, decrease in our labor cost, which is favorable, especially given the market conditions that we're in. And as you know, we're going to continue to work on our workforce, right, whether it's upskilling or increasing our low-cost footprint and expanding the foundation of our pyramid. And just, frankly, working smarter, utilizing the experience framework that we're using for clients, right? So there is plenty to do still in regards to just shaping that workforce and continuing to work to expand the margin on the traditional base as well as in the Next-Gen solution. So we feel pretty good about our trajectory there.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Joseph Vafi with Canaccord.

Joseph Vafi

Analyst

As usual, maybe we talk a little bit about go-to-market expense, sales and marketing investment and expenses in some of your focus areas, Peter, that you mentioned versus maybe the non-focus areas and maybe how you look at that to maintain perhaps the non-focus area. But obviously, we want to grow the focus areas faster and then you could wrap in a little commentary on what you're seeing on the macro, especially perhaps in the non-focused area business, renewals and the potential to grow those over the next couple of years?

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Yes, Joe, thanks very much for the question. Let me take a start at it and then actually turn it over both to Mike and to Deb. When we think about investing in marketing and communications and specific, we talked about that brand launch in November. And the fact that, that is -- we think that's paying dividends. It's kind of a different work. I mean we talk about the advent of the cloud and the to digital, in particular, is how that has decreased the start-up costs starting a new business. Well, it's also decreased the cost of how do you really get brand awareness out there. I mean it is -- our approach is almost completely digital depending -- if you've been in some of the major airports, you will see our advertisement, whether that's digital or not, it's on a screen. So I guess that it is. And so while we have talked about that, and we think that is actually making a meaningful difference, it is not a huge expense. Now in my remarks and in Deb's remarks, particularly around SG&A costs. . Deb did talk about some marginal increase in our SG&A. That marginal increase is really associated primarily with that marketing communications and with some of the changes we've made to our sales force and sales process, which I'm going to ask Mike to talk about in a minute, but it is marginal. But we think that for the marginal cost, it is actually very, very beneficial for us. Mike, turn it over to you on the sales.

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Joe. Look, I think for us, as Peter mentioned, marketing and sales go hand in hand, and it goes deeper than just the advertising, right? It's the communications to the industry analysts. It's the local connection to third-party advisers is to go to market storytelling. It's the creation of all the presales materials. So for all of that, we are really in a position of get to market, right? So we've talked for a year now around getting all that ready. It's ready. It's done. We're out in the market with it. The connection points are there. We've spent a lot of time on stratification of the client portfolio to make sure we're really addressing both existing clients for white space growth and for new clients to increase our ultimate market share there. So real tight connection there, very specific to targeted clients and very specific to the types of solutions that we're trying to bring to market. So all of that, I think, has really paid off well. And I think Peter is right, we're really in the precipice of that as far as the, as you know, we just launched the brand at the end of last year, and we're starting to see some real traction there.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

The one thing I will add, and Deb is our head of chief on this. We are very, very focused on SG&A costs. And so while our SG&A as we define it, it's up a little bit primarily because of that marketing and because of the sales efforts. Every company defines SG&A differently. There's just no consistency. So we can compare against other companies, which are both higher and lower, but it's not clear it's apples-to-apples. So we tend to compare against ourselves. And I can tell you that Deb is making sure that we are spending that money where we get bang for the buck. Deb, anything further on that?

Debra McCann

Analyst

No. No, I think that summarizes

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Joe, maybe just the second point you raised around the focus and you used the term non-focus, right? So we really don't use non-focus in our vernacular. Remember, those areas are gateways to our Next-Gen solutions. And specifically, if you look at CA&I, as an example, there's an infrastructure component that would fall into your categorization of non-focus. Clearly, that has been a segment that is still growing. That is a segment that's growing for us. And that is a segment that ultimately is a pathway to Next-Gen DP&A work, right? So we don't look at those areas as, hey, we're not focusing on them. We clearly are. We're still signing new contracts in those areas. Because we see them as being a progression to where we ultimately want to take our client journeys to.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

And that's one of the reasons, Joe, you're seeing us in this call even externally changed the nomenclature a bit. So rather for the focus areas, we're referring to Next-Gen solutions because the implication is that those areas are not -- the other areas are not a focus. As Mike says, we -- those other areas, whether it's field services, whether it's infrastructure, whether it's traditional licensing, none of those areas are growing dramatically or are shrinking in the industry or in the market. Our long-term plan on those in the aggregate is actually to slightly increase the revenue. So it's not as if that -- and but the word is slightly. We do expect the majority of our revenue increase to come from what we're calling the Next-Gen solutions, and that's why you see us focus on those in the call.

Joseph Vafi

Analyst

Sure. That's helpful. And your nomenclature is definitely better than my guys. What about -- maybe just -- maybe the macro, maybe some commentary on what you're seeing on the macro front from clients on the pace of deals, renewals, et cetera?

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Yes. So Joe, I guess 2 elements I would comment on from a macro perspective. There is still this hesitancy, I think, in -- from a macroeconomic perspective. We've talked about clients either re-upping for 1 year, not doing full -- not doing full renewals or taking on piecemeal work, waiting for budgets, et cetera. I would say it's losing slightly. We're seeing more interest as we've alluded in our growth in our pipeline, our backlog, our TCV and ACV, especially in the next-gen solutions. So in those areas, I think it's a little more reverting to a little sense of normalcy, but macro-wise, I think there's still a slight hesitancy, a little delay on some of the contract signings. We're seeing things push a quarter in some cases. The good news is they are signing, and the good news is they are signing the Next-Gen solution at the margin profile that we want. So we do have some pricing power in that regard. It's holding in the market. But there is, in my mind, a little bit of a lag in the actual signs.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Matthew Galinko with Maxim Group.

Matthew Galinko

Analyst

Peter, I think you touched on L&S renewals and retention. And I think you offered some scenarios of customers migrating away slowly, maybe installing projects, some returning. So I guess I have 2 questions around that. The first being, are you seeing any changes to that retention rate looking maybe trailing over the last year? How is that different today than it was a year ago, 2 years ago? And secondly, is there anything you're doing on the engagement side or evolving the platform side that is impacting in process migrations away?

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Okay. Well, first of all, both great questions, Matt. On the retention side, around L&S in particular, it's interesting because what we see historically and what we saw again in 2022, is the renewal timing can vary, right? In some years, clients in general, accelerate in some of the years, they decelerate. For us in 2022, as Deb mentioned, we had some renewals of existing relationships that actually occurred before we expected them. So as we kind of think about how we're doing on a retention rate standpoint, what we've kind of decided is the better data to give is what we call retention rather than renewal. And so we're really measuring who were those L&S customers in the past and who are they now. And that's why you saw a data point that I provided, which is if you look at 90% of that L&S revenue, we have a 95% plus retention rate in those customers and that they're still customers of ours. We think that's the most appropriate way. I mean at the end of the day, what we're trying to say is our view is that, that business is very sticky. That doesn't mean that, that business will not, over time, decrease in overall revenue. It could increase from client to client. But we think that it is very sticky. And although we don't always have a good view of that from quarter-to-quarter and even sometimes from year-to-year, we do, we think, have a fairly good view over time, and we're obviously going to elaborate on that in the June Investor Day. So I guess that's the way I would answer the first question. As to the second question, I guess I'll defer over to Mike.

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Yes. So I'm sorry, Matt, what was the second part of that, Peter, I thought it was primarily renewal. Matt, what is the second part of your question?

Peter Altabef

Analyst

What are we doing to make sure that we're continuing relevant to all those is -- I think you touched on that

Matthew Galinko

Analyst

And I think also just to put a finer point on it. Is it measurable the work that you're doing on that front on retention or specifically on advancing ClearPath Forward. Are this having measurable impact in improving retention of lost income?

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Yes. So I would say, yes, it is measurable. We spend -- so the -- first off, these renewal cycles go in the context of years. And we spent years at the arms and elbows of these clients, right? So we know exactly what they're working for and working on, and we spend a lot of time with the road map. So when we talk about -- Peter mentioned the investment that continue to do in L&S, that is modernizing the ClearPath Forward ecosystem, right? That's enabling it in the cloud through Microsoft Azure, that's everything in a road map for what our clients are asking for. And we're usually 2 years out with our clients as to where they're going with their business and what they need from our platform, and that's where our investments are ultimately put into. So it's -- I would say it's worked very in a joint manner with our clients. So the expectation is renewal because we're actually building out the platform continuously to satisfy their specific needs.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. I will now turn it over to Michaela for additional questions.

Michaela Pewarski

Analyst

Some additional questions to the minute email from The first question is do you expect backlog to continue growing? And are margins in your backlog where you want them to be?

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Yes. So I'll take that, and thanks for sending that in on here. The short answer is yes, we do expect to see backlog continue to grow. As we talked about on the call today, we saw a sequential increased backlog at about $230 million and the book-to-bill up from 0.8 to 1.1. And so our expectations are that backlog will continue to grow in 2023.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Yes. The only thing I would add, and I defer also to Deb on this one. I agree it's a good question, John. One of the interesting things about backlog is the duration for which that backlog exists. We continue to see a, what I would call, a slight, but there is still a decrease in the average contract term of the deals we're signing. So that's why we really focus on not only giving the TCV number, but also the ACV number because over time, while not to one conversion, which would apply like 1-year term average, the average is still above that. There is a decrease in the amount of the average tenure. And so again, so a backlog dollar today might have more of an impact on current annual revenues than a backlog dollar for a few years ago. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Debra McCann

Analyst

No. I think you

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Yes. So one other point I'll mention then, John, is you're talking about the margin profile in the backlog. And we are seeing, as I mentioned earlier, the Next-Gen solutions, we are able to get the margin profile that we're looking for in those. And then maybe just one follow-on point to Peter's commentary. When we talk about -- we were talking about the length of the contract shortening slightly. Remember, we're also doing a lot more project work, right? And so if we're doing smaller bits of work and project-related work, it goes to revenue immediately. And so the flow through backlog is just different. So I think some of the clients that we're targeting, some of the work that we're doing and the slight decrease in contract terms may have impact on backlog and TCV. But conversely, we should see ACV strong, and we should not have the impact on revenue because it's coming to revenue in a quicker fashion.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Right. And just to back that up, the ACV increase in the fourth quarter year-on-year was 58% and for the full year was 36%.

Michaela Pewarski

Analyst

The second question is you break out the underlying expectations for each segment in the guidance?

Debra McCann

Analyst

Sure. Yes. So I think we'll definitely give more detail on that in June segment. I think focus on the revenue side, our guidance, it's important to note that excluding L&S because of that renewal mining of the other segments. As refer negative 1% to positive 4%. So a midpoint of about 1.5%. So we do expect those areas to grow in total. And then as I talked about on the margin side, we expect DWS and CA&I combined gross margins improvement of about 20 points. So underlying the guidance is -- that should give you a good sense of of the ex L&S segment.

Michaela Pewarski

Analyst

I'll now take the questions, I will turn it back to the operator.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Peter Altabef for any closing remarks.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Thanks, operator. And I want to thank Michaela. I want to thank Mike for working with me on the questions, which were as always, really insightful, and we really appreciate the involvement of our investor analyst group. So thank you for asking the questions. And I say this almost every time that we have a lot of information on the website in addition to what obviously we just talked about. It's true. But it's not just information now on the website [Technical Difficulty] modern in terms of feel every slide, every -- and so we would love it if you guys would spend some time on it as our clients and prospective clients are. And just kind of live it and any feedback or any thoughts on that are always appreciated. So with that, I want to thank everyone for participating and look forward to continuing the dialogue with each of you. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.