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United Community Banks, Inc. (UCB)

Q2 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 27, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to United Community Banks’ Second Quarter Earnings Call. Hosting the call today are Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Jimmy Tallent; President and Chief Operating Officer, Lynn Harton; Chief Financial Officer, Rex Schuette; and Chief Credit Officer, Rob Edwards. United’s presentation today includes references to operating earnings, pre-tax, pre-credit earnings, and other non-GAAP financial information. For these non-GAAP financial measures, United has provided a reconciliation to the corresponding GAAP financial measure in the financial highlights section of the earnings release, as well as at the end of the investor presentation, both are included on the website at ucbi.com. Copies of the second quarter’s earnings release and investor presentation were filed this morning on Form 8-K with the SEC, and a replay of this call will be available in the Investor Relations section of the company’s website at ucbi.com. Please be aware that during this call, forward-looking statements may be made by representatives of United. Any forward-looking statement should be considered in light of the risks and uncertainties described on page four of the company’s 2015 Form 10-K as well as other information provided by the company in its filings with the SEC and included on its website. At this time, I’ll turn the call over to Jimmy Tallent.

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our second quarter earnings call. We had a very strong second quarter with outstanding results across our company. This performance is perhaps the best demonstration to-date of the success of our investments in new businesses and markets as well as the success of our acquisition strategy. Our bankers excelled by every measure. Their major achievement included our highest linked quarter fee revenue growth, strong loan growth and excluding merger related charges, 1.07% operating return on assets and operating net earnings per share of $0.36. Our SBA and mortgage lending business performed exceptionally well due to the closed working relationship with our community banks. This is proven to be a winning combination for meeting the borrowing needs of our customers and providing a strong and sustainable fee revenue stream. We were able to achieve expected cost savings in full from the Palmetto acquisition. This success allowed us to invest in additional lenders and markets while still improving our operating efficiency ratios to 57.8%. – scrap those investments and adding 20 revenue producers during our first quarter call. In the second quarter as I would describe in today’s call, we began to see the results. Earlier this month, we completed our acquisition of Tidelands Bank on the South Carolina coast. Since this occurred in the third quarter, the Tidelands balance end results are not included in our second quarter results. I’ll talk more in a moment about the Tidelands transaction and our second quarter, but first let me mention some additional highlights from the quarter. Net income was $25.3 million or $0.35 per diluted share. Includes in those results were pre-tax merger related charges of $1.18 million or a penny per share. Excluding merger related charges net operating income was $26 million…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Brad Milsaps from Sandler O’Neill. Your line is now open.

Brad Milsaps

Analyst

Hey good morning.

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Good morning.

Brad Milsaps

Analyst

May be I’ll start with fee income I know last quarter some of the SBA gains were lower because of higher number of construction projects that encompassed the mix. I’m curious did lot of those fund – sell those or was this just additional production and you still got that SBA construction piece kind of coming down the pike?

Lynn Harton

Analyst

Yes, so Brad, this is Lynn. Really both of that, so we did have number one, very strong production in the second quarter but we also did have some construction loans mature during this time which increased our ability to sell. Our expectation is for another strong production quarter in the third quarter so we would expect to be about this level again in the third quarter. And then up a little bit in the fourth quarter again, because our next block of expected construction loan maturities will be coming in the fourth quarter.

Brad Milsaps

Analyst

Okay, great. And then just a follow up on expenses, I appreciate all the color kind of around the numbers and getting the cost saves out. May be expenses, we’re still little heavier than may be I thought I know you guys are reinvesting, but just kind of curious any additional color there on may be being able to accelerate the operating leverage. I know you gave guidance to that, but just kind of curious any other, those line items that would be little heavier than, would start to reverse out.

Rex Schuette

Analyst

Yeah, Brad this is Rex, I’ll make some few comments on it. As Jimmy noted on the salary line in particular, it did include merit and 401(k) increases and additionally it had commissions up because of our mortgage revenue was up considerably as well as performance incentives, now that we are back on track for the 1.10 ROE than 1.07 ROEs. So I think you see those probably consistent in the third and fourth quarter, I don’t see it increasing. When you look at professional fees, we had some additional work on our socks, compliance, [indiscernible] in mortgage area. I think those will come down by a few hundred thousand on a linked quarter going into third and fourth quarter. Advertising, as Jimmy noted, again was up due to campaigns we had our customer appreciation day, which we have 20 some more almost 30 more officers now that are in that. If you looked at that a year ago, we were up 200,000. So I see that probably coming down by 200,000 on a linked quarter also that run rate will come down for the balance of the year. We continue to focus on looking at expenses. As Jimmy noted, our operating efficiency ratio is again sub 58%, you take that in context of looking at it a year ago. We required to and fully converted to acquisitions plus all the growth that we’ve had and still now back around to the efficiency ratio, even running pre-acquisitions. And again if you look back even a couple years further, we were well into the low 60% operating efficiency. So we continue to focus on managing expenses. I would add and probably would come up as a question but Tidelands is coming in July 1st so that will come into our run rate. We talked about that previously and again, that will add probably about $2.9 million a quarter in expenses. We expect expenses to be flattish going into next quarter, but we’ll have additional, the run rates for Tidelands coming in, we convert that in November and again, the full benefit of the $5 million will come in the first part of next year.

Brad Milsaps

Analyst

Great. Thank you guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Kevin Fitzsimmons of Hovde Group. Your line is now open.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Hey good morning everyone.

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Good morning.

Lynn Harton

Analyst

Good morning.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Appreciate the outlook on the margin and loan growth, can you just putting those two together, can you talk about how you view NII, the prospect for growing NII? Because that’s the one – the quarter, that’s the one thing that really wasn’t there this quarter NII basically being flat to down. And I know there was a little bit of margin hit from accretion income coming down but might not happen each quarter. But just putting loan growth and margin together, how do you feel – how confident are you in your ability to drive NII higher or especially in this difficult rate and curve environment?

Rex Schuette

Analyst

This is Rex again. Jimmy had commented that, we do expect some further margin compression which really that is driven around again competitive loan pricing. We have seen our loan yield as we have noted and talked about that you see in the deck are flattened in the second quarter. So we don’t – we haven’t seen it continually drop in April, May and June. So it’s holding in pretty well. So again, we’ll probably pick up a little accretion through our acquisitions again I think as Jimmy noted, one important point is that there’s only $0.5 million of accretion income coming in compared to other banks. So it’s minimal impact on our margin overall and our loan yield, but again I think we expect the margin to come down a little bit, but now I think we’ll see traction back to your point in net interest revenue. I think we’ll see traction in Q3 Q4 that we’ll see net interest revenue increasing on a linked quarter basis going into the balance of the year.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Great. Great, that’s helpful. Thanks, Rex. One follow up, Jimmy, you mentioned M&A and just if you can give us a little more color on that in terms of how the conversations are going and how seller pricing expectations are and what you’re all [indiscernible] geography may be looking forward? Thanks.

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Sure. Thank you, Kevin for the question. Really nothing has changed relative to our overall strategy, yes conversations continued to occur. Certainly there are a number of incoming calls, there is a handful of institutions that under the right financial circumstances, we would have a very strong interest in. The geography is the same within the four states that we have talked about, could be in new markets, could be in markets that would create overlap and obviously significant cost saves. The criteria is the same as I mentioned few moments ago. Size wise, just to kind of pick a number, we would feel comfortable probably between 500 or may be couple billion dollars what we would call our sweet spot. There would be a case possibly of being under the $500 million again a lot of that is, in fact all of that is strategic in our view. But also I still it’s important even with the M&A that our focus is the organic growth route. We’ve been able to transform our company now geography wise but 90% of our footprint is in a MFA[ph]. So that in addition to the increase and addition of lenders and new product lines within our specialized lending I believe provides great opportunity as we move forward.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Jimmy.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jefferson Harralson of KBW. Your line is now open.

Jefferson Harralson

Analyst

Thanks. I want to start with SBA pricing this quarter, can you talk about the change quarter-to-quarter on – sale SBA loans?

Jimmy Tallent

Management

It was very steady. We’re not seeing any compressions so really minimal change in the gain on sale margins.

Jefferson Harralson

Analyst

Okay. And what are you seeing in your pipelines or in your loan demand that push you to raise your guidance? I realized your loan growth guidance I know you guys have beaten it few quarters in a row, what do you see in that, that gives you confidence that you can move to a higher end of your loan growth guidance.

Jimmy Tallent

Management

So Jefferson there’s really four things that make me confident there, one is the new hires. So we brought on a new, for example, we brought on a new middle market team, led by Tommy in South Carolina, have been recruiting Tommy for three years. I know how strong he was, he surprised me with how strong his team is. So another two people came on with him, they are doing extraordinarily well. Our new senior living group Jennifer Lawley again outstanding group, only been with us few weeks and they’ve already kind of shown that they are going to exceed expectations. We’ve talked about Charleston, what’s going on there. So we continue to be able to attract great people, number one. Number two, our retail strategies which we don’t talk about a lot are going very well at our great e-LOC campaigns and see the results of that. our mortgage business, 20% of our production goes on balance sheet and variable rate products and you don’t see that as clearly because we repositioning that portfolio a little bit and bringing the quality up, but that’s going on very well. The third reason, we’ve got great coordination between our specialized lending group and our community banks. So that partnership is really kind of makes me feel very confident that growth will continue. And finally the performance of the acquisitions is going very well. So you expect to see a little slow down which we did see in First National, but that’s picked back up, obviously good growth there. Palmetto has gone very well out of the gate, Tidelands, we’ve already seen two relationships come into senior credit committee. So they are off to a stronger start in either one of the other two. So lot of reasons to feel good about it, but the only reason not to take the guidance up further is really maintaining credit standards. We’ve actually seen a couple of deals come in committee – commitments from other lenders where we just basically said well if you’ve got that, somebody else you go get it, because we’re not going to do it. And of course we talked about it for some time, multi-family commitments are down in multi-family about 16% annualized rate. So just maintaining credit quality just who knows about the general economy would be the only reasons we wouldn’t increase the guidance.

Jefferson Harralson

Analyst

Right. Thanks a lot. Lastly Rex, a quick one what -- should we expect on this Tidelands deal the conversion, do you need to make investments here, hire people to build it out or is it just – we should just take over the revenue and expenses and cut the expenses some time after the conversion?

Rex Schuette

Analyst

Yeah Jeff, it tends to be the latter, we don’t really need to add to our internal operations and we look at it more as the cost save coming out. But again, we’re transitioning that through November through the conversion and as we’ve indicated in the past, that most of the cost savings come really in the first quarter of next year, late this year into the first quarter.

Jefferson Harralson

Analyst

Got it. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Marinac of FIG Partners. Your line is now open.

Christopher Marinac

Analyst

Thanks. Jimmy just want to extend on your M&A comments earlier. Do you have a particular I guess delineation between privately held banks versus public entities?

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Well certainly we’ve had incoming calls from both of those -- the general theme that I continue to hear are those things that particularly in that $300-$400-$500 million or may be even larger than that whether they are private or whether they are public, continue to look at various alternatives. Certainly the operating environment is very challenging but what I see just time and time again that is probably tripping their thinking over to may be selling is a liquidity event. Historically, and almost always within those banks and particularly those that are privately held or sub- there’s typically one, two or may be three four families on a substantial interest, many times just the father or the grandfather and if something happens to them, it goes to the children if they live in the area and therefore all of that creates a liquidity event. And so that kind of what I’m seeing at there.

Christopher Marinac

Analyst

Great. That’s helpful. And then just to follow up I guess for either you or for Lynn, can you talk about Atlanta, was very strong for you this quarter. Anything unusual there or would you imagine that that pace can continue?

Lynn Harton

Analyst

Chris nothing unusual there, again that really is a great example of coordination between specialized lending community banks. So in addition to Atlanta’s normal production, they had about three deals that were handshake deals with specialized lending, one middle market deal, two asset based lending deals. So we’re seeing better traction there and we’d expect that to continue.

Christopher Marinac

Analyst

Sounds great, Lynn. Thanks very much guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tyler Stafford with Stephens. Your line is now open.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

Okay. Nice quarter guys.

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Thanks, Tyler.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

Just one more from me on fee income, was there something in particular that drove that other fee income line item up? Is that where the customer derivatives income closed through?

Rex Schuette

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

Yeah there were -- this is Rex. There were several things coming through the miscellaneous few revenue category, customer swaps was one of the items, it was about a million this quarter up, well over 300,000 on a linked quarter basis. We had several of our other categories from wire safe deposit banking fees, hedge, all that are probably in the 300-600,000 range, they were all up 100-200,000 credit cost each of those. And we did have one settlement with an outside vendor and trust fees for 600,000 in that line item. We had items occasionally coming through – items coming through but that was the only kind of – coming through.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

Would you say this 4.3 is a good run rate for that?

Rex Schuette

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

I would say for next quarter, we would expect it to be in that range.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

Okay. And then on the securities book, are you guys really purchasing new securities in the portfolio now or should we see those security balances continue to decline?

Rex Schuette

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

You will see the security balances continue to decline. Currently, we’re not purchasing any security, - and the low rates in the three to 10 year range, we don’t see any real opportunity to continue to replace those securities and would rather see our loan mix increase as we talked about in the past. So we’ll see both cog bonds and run-off through the balance of the year reduce the securities portfolio right now.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

Okay thanks Rex. And then Jimmy just one more for me, back on the M&A topic, can you just remind us what your or the numbers around your reasonable PVV earn back are?

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Basically, we try to look within a three year period. There could be a case where it could be just beyond that but we would like to stay within that three year period or sooner.

Tyler Stafford

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is now open.

Okay. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from the line Nancy Bush of NAB Research.

Nancy Bush

Analyst

Good morning. Jimmy I have a question for you that may be sort of incorporates everything you’ve said today. I mean I’m looking at your stock and the valuation in the group to $5 billion to $10 billion Southeastern community banks, yours is the lowest valuation and it’s been there for a while. Could you just reflect on that? And do you see one thing or two things may be that investors are waiting for before they afford your higher valuation/

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Nancy that’s the first thing I think of when I get up and the last thing I think of when I go to bed. So it’s a great question. I think there’s probably two or three components to that. One is, let me just back up and look at what’s going on within the company because we talk about efficiency ratio and that’s a spot number, that’s important. But if you just go back to the beginning of 2014, our efficiency at that time was over 63%. If you look back just the last 10 quarters, we have built specialized lending division, the SBA, we’ve significantly expanded mortgage, asset base lending, middle market and now senior living. So that is a significant investment that we’re making within the company along with the underwriting experts within each one of those product lines. In addition to the fact, we’ve established and staffed LPO at midtown Atlanta, the same in Charleston. So I mean that’s just a few of the investments that we make. Today we see our efficiency of course 57.8%. So yes we’ve taken cost out of the company but we’ve also built a significant revenue generating engine underneath. I think that’s something that may be we’ve not done as good a job and continuing to explain this. Secondly, I think the loan discount accretion when you look in our company, relative to other peers in that peer group we virtually have none, and they have typically a significant amount. That’s not anything negative, that’s just a fact. And then when you look at our pre-tax pre-credit as we continue to go up to that 170 ROA, I think that’s indicative of the continued strength within that. Now, I would go back one other step again, we’ve got to do I think a better job in communicating this but if you look at the peers, if you look at the EPS that they are generating and if you take the amount of accretable yield out of that EPS and look at on an average and look at United, you will see a significant similarity. And quite honestly, in several cases has even stronger profitability structure. So, I think it’s a combination of those. I think our company where we are today given the investments that we have made, looking at the future, looking at the opportunities within our markets and certainly there will be other M&A opportunities along the way. I think United is a significant value of opportunity for investors.

Nancy Bush

Analyst

Do you think it’s necessary to take a hiatus from deals perhaps to recognize this valuation before you go on or can you do both?

Jimmy Tallent

Management

No I think we can do both Nancy, in fact, if you go back and look when we did the FNB and the Palmetto, you look at the cost that we’ve taken out of both of those institutions which is almost 20 million, we’ve also, we didn’t stop there, we reinvested that. We got the cost out, we reinvested that in great markets that we believe will provide additional growth. We invest that and other revenue generators. And so we would have not been able to do that – two mergers, I mean it’s just that simple. Same thing with Tidelands, I think Tidelands is one of the best acquisitions our company has really ever made given the existing team there, given now the footprint as these two work together is going to be significant, is going to be accretive to earnings. So, I look at it very simple. We’re going to focus on organic growth and we’re going to build this company that way. There will be an acquisition from time to time that hits those strategic elements that we think are very important to help grow and build shareholder value.

Nancy Bush

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I’m showing no further questions at this time.

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Thank you, operator. Certainly appreciate all on the call today and your interest in United Community Banks. If any additional questions that you might have, don’t hesitate to call us. I do want to congratulate and thank our United Community Bank for just an outstanding quarter and what you continue to do that drives the bottom line but also drives our brand and our reputation. Thank all of you for being on the call and we look forward to talking with you next quarter.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This does conclude today’s program. You may all disconnect. Have a great day everyone.