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United Community Banks, Inc. (UCB)

Q3 2012 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 25, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to United Community Banks' Third Quarter Conference Call. Hosting the call today are President and Chief Executive Officer, Jimmy Tallent; Chief Operating Officer, Lynn Harton; Chief Financial Officer, Rex Schuette; and Chief Risk Officer, David Shearrow. United's presentation today includes references to core pretax, pre-credit earnings and other non-GAAP financial information. For each of these non-GAAP financial measures, United has provided reconciliation to GAAP in the Financial Highlights section of the news release and at the end of the investor presentation. Both of these are included on the website at ucbi.com. Copies of today's earnings release and investor presentation for the third quarter were filed on Form 8-K with the SEC, and a replay of this call will be available on the company's Investor Relations page at ucbi.com. Please be aware that during this call, forward-looking statements may be made by United Community Banks. Any forward-looking statements should be considered in light of risks and uncertainties described on Page 4 of the company's Form 10-K, and other information provided by the company in its filings with the SEC and included on its website. At this time, we will begin the conference call with Jimmy Tallent.

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our earnings call. Our results mark another quarter of positive earnings and momentum. We continued our progress, improving operating efficiency and reducing problem assets. And for the first time since the credit cycle began, we had positive year-over-year loan growth. We believe we're on the right track. I'll share some highlights in a moment, but first, let me comment about the format of our call this morning. We're going to try something a little different. Rather than have David and Rex comment on their respective areas, I'm going to cover all of our prepared remarks, and then we'll open the call for your questions. We're hoping this will give you the information that you need, and perhaps be more respectful of your time. I also want to take a moment to introduce you to another participant in our call today. You may know that Lynn Harton has joined our team as Chief Operating Officer. Lynn is no stranger to most of you, and we're excited to have him on the United team. He will join David, Rex and me to answer your questions following my prepared remarks. Some of those remarks will refer to pages in our third quarter investor presentation, which is available in the Investor Relations section of our website. With that said, let's move on to some highlights from the quarter. These items are among those covered in the investor presentation. Core pretax, pre-credit earnings were $29.9 million, up by $1.6 million from the second quarter and up $3.4 million from the third quarter of 2011. Net income was $10.6 million or $0.13 per share. Severance charges, which are excluded from core earnings, decreased net income by $400,000 or almost $0.01 per share. That was offset by…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Jefferson Harralson with KBW.

Jefferson Harralson

Analyst

I wanted to ask you about the loan growth. It was good to see the ending balances higher. Can you just talk about what is -- what pieces are growing and what pieces are shrinking? And how do you think that's going to net out over the next 12 months?

Jimmy Tallent

Management

David?

David Shearrow

Analyst

Sure, yes. Jeff, this is David. We're seeing some growth in the categories that we've been targeting, which is in a lot of commercial area, particularly on business loans. We're seeing a little bit of an increase in C&I. And we're certainly, from an origination standpoint, continuing to get traction on owner-occupied commercial real estate. We also have had some success more recently on the retail side, where we've tried to put a good bit more emphasis in growing, both kind of HELOC product that we've introduced and we've had good success with. It's really -- we're proud of the results so far. We've been -- we've got an average credit score on these of 775, and a loan-to-value, even in this environment of 55%. So we're real pleased with the growth we're getting there, and then, we're also getting some growth in our consumer book as well. So it's really focusing primarily on that core business customer, and then also trying to expand and build on that retail delivery as well.

Jefferson Harralson

Analyst

All right. If you think about the next 12 months, you think that the growth in those 5 or 6 categories can offset your targeted shrinkage in land or construction or whatever else you have?

David Shearrow

Analyst

Yes, we're really -- we've been trying to shift the mix consistently as we've gone through the cycle. We really need to continue to drive down the land exposure in both the residential construction and commercial construction books predominantly. We're not doing much in the way of new residential construction, no there's a little bit of building occurring for individuals building their own homes. And then on the commercial construction side, while we're not targeting that heavily, there are some good investment-grade opportunities out there that we may look at from time to time, but I think it'll be a fairly small part of our portfolio.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jennifer Demba with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

Jennifer Demba

Analyst · SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

Question on net charge-offs for David. They've still kind of lingered in the mid to high ones for the last few quarters. Do you have any expectation about where you think they'll trend over the next 3 to 5 quarters? And how much positive leverage you can get there?

David Shearrow

Analyst · SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

Sure, Jennifer. I think, right now, first, keep in mind, I think this quarter, as Jimmy mentioned in his comments, the charge-offs were up a little bit because we accelerated a couple of performing classified loans, and we're able -- about $13 million worth have moved off the books, and that was about I think $3.6 million of our charge-off this quarter. But I really think over the next, probably 2 to 3 quarters, net charge-offs will be somewhere in the high-teens, 15 to high-teens range. And then I would expect some decline towards the -- in the second half of next year. I think -- on the other hand, the provisioning, I think you'll see us continue to be able to under provide by some amount, and I'd kind of expect near terms next couple of quarters to be in the, say, the $14 million to $16 million range of the provision. The offset of both of those numbers really would be, again, if we were able to move off performing classified, that could bump up your -- the charge-offs in a given quarter. But generally, that's what I would expect. And then hopefully some tailing off as we go into the second half of next year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of the Kevin Fitzsimmons with Sandler O'Neill.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

You may have covered this already, Jimmy, but if you can, just I heard the margin guidance, if you can just kind of put it in terms for NII, dollars of NII, what you're looking at? I understand NII is going to get impacted by the added cost of those senior notes as well. But do you -- as you look at the trajectory of NII, do you think it goes down next quarter, settles and starts to grow again? And I guess, securities balances and loan growth used to offset the lower margin, and just how we should think about that?

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Kevin, let me just ask Rex to address that, and then I may add some to it. Rex?

Rex Schuette

Analyst

Kevin, I think your thoughts are right in line with what we're looking at. You will see the net interest revenue decline, as Jimmy indicated, with the overlap of the senior notes for 1 quarter. That's about $800,000 impact in Q4. Additionally, we have some securities repricing within the portfolio that probably have another $300,000 to $400,000 impact in Q4, going from fixed to floating. As we look ahead, we'll pick up the double count of the sub-debt coming off in Q1, so you'll pick up $500,000 of that in Q1. That's basically in Q4. And again, we are looking to try and level that off and bring it back up again. As you noted through -- as David indicated, I'm sure the loan growth, net loan growth, in 2013, as well as rebalancing the security portfolio a little bit. So it should be dropping down in Q4, then coming back up some in Q1, and again, gradually through the balance of the year. But again, as I indicated, the margin will come down because of the items relating to the double dip of the senior notes this next quarter, additionally with the repricing of securities. And again, we still see this, as Jimmy indicated, some further margin compression again with the loan pricing. In the past, that's been offset almost entirely with our deposit pricing done with the mix of deposits that's less than the impact of it. We don't have as much deposits on the CDs repricing compared to last year.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

Right, okay. Great One just follow-on question on credit. I know this is kind of a long situation, but just from time to time, we have to ask about it. Fletcher, has there been any developments, or should we expect any developments that will impact that from your guys standpoint?

Rex Schuette

Analyst

Well we -- Kevin, as you know, we're still-- that's our largest relationship has. We've had it on non-accrual really since the third quarter a year ago and took a big charge. So we're carrying about $47 million at the end of this past quarter on the relationship. The relationship continues to perform at the present time, so it's a performing nonperformer. We still have cash collateral supporting the ongoing performance. If there weren't significant asset sales or if the borrower were not to contribute additional cash to support the credit, he would probably -- we'd be looking at the fall, my guess would be kind of, towards the end of the first quarter, if that were to occur, and then we'd have to deal with that if that were to occur, but at the moment the credit continues to perform.

Kevin Fitzsimmons

Analyst

And in terms of the legal proceedings, though, for their bankruptcy proceedings, there's no change -- perceived change, in how that impacts you, guys?

Rex Schuette

Analyst

No, there's not. The structure of the loans was they were set up in what are effectively bankruptcy remote entities, single-purpose entities, just hold the assets that they purchase, with no other obligations outside of the obligations to the bank. So I don't envision, really, any direct impact from any of their broader issues at their holding company at this point in time. And so there's been no, no impact there.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Marinac with FIG Partners.

Christopher Marinac

Analyst · FIG Partners.

Jimmy, I just want to shift gears and talk a little bit about overhead expenses, and as next year shapes up, are there some additional opportunities for you to get more efficient or maybe just bring us up-to-date the kind of where you're thinking is after this huge progress?

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Chris, we have a number of initiatives that are currently underway, as well as others that are planned that we believe that we will see -- continue to see benefit with the operating cost. And also, just the basic operating expenses that we're constantly addressing. I'm really pleased with the progress that we have made, our people have made among over the last year. I don't expect a reduction equal to that. I do expect a continued downward trend, probably a little slower pace. But also, too, we will be adding people from time to time, principally revenue producers that will be able to help drive that side of the ledger. But -- so the answer is, we will see some reduction, not at the speed that we've seen over the last 12 months, but I would almost view that as an investment into -- as far as any increase in revenue production.

Christopher Marinac

Analyst · FIG Partners.

Okay. Great. And then just a follow-up for David. Is there any interest in bulk sales? And I'm just asking from a pricing standpoint, has pricing improved or, at all, attracted to you to do faster or reckless positions than you've done?

David Shearrow

Analyst · FIG Partners.

Chris, we're always looking at any option. When you say bulk, I don't envision any kind of a massive sale in that sense. Could we put a few credits together and sell? Yes, possibly. In a given quarter, we might do that. With regard to pricing, there's been a little bit of an uptick based on the people I talked to in the residential mortgage piece. If you wanted to package a little bit of that, the land and the CRE, really not a lot of change there. It's pretty much in the same range where it has been for the last several quarters. There's still a fair amount of interest out in the market. So anyway, that's kind of it. I don't -- we don't envision right now any large bulk sales, but obviously, we're always looking at different options as we go along.

Operator

Operator

Excellent. At this point, I would like to turn it back over to management for further remarks.

Jimmy Tallent

Management

Thank you, operator. We want to thank everyone for being on the call this morning. Once again, we invite you, if you have additional questions to please not hesitate to call Lynn, David, Rex or myself. Also, we want to thank our people once again for the wonderful job that they continue to do day after day. I feel very, very good as to where we are and the progress that we're making. That progress is totally attributable to our wonderful people. Thanks again for being on the call, and we look forward to talking with you soon.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude your conference. You all may disconnect and have a good day.