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Tyler Technologies, Inc. (TYL)

Q1 2012 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 26, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Hello. And welcome to today’s Tyler Technologies’ First Quarter 2012 Conference Call. Your host for today’s call is John Marr, President and CEO of Tyler Technologies. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded today, April 26, 2012. I would like to turn the call over to Mr. John Marr. Please go ahead.

John Marr

Analyst

Thank you, Amy. And welcome to our first quarter 2012 earnings call. With me on the call today is Brian Miller, our Chief Financial Officer. First I’d like for Brian to give the Safe Harbor statement, then I’ll have some preliminary comments, and Brian will review the details of our operating results. Then I’ll have some final comments and we’ll take your questions. Brian?

Brian Miller

Analyst

Thanks, John. During the course of this conference call management may make statements that provide information other than historical information that may include projections concerning the company’s future prospects, revenues, expenses and profits. Such statements are considered forward-looking-statements under the Safe Harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from these projections. We refer you to our Form 10-K and other SEC filings for more information on those risks. John?

John Marr

Analyst

Our first quarter financial performance builds on a solid performance of 2011, as the marketplace began to show signs of modest improvement. Total revenues for the quarter were $82.7 million, or an increase of 13%, of which 8% was organic and 5% was due to the acquisitions made in the fourth quarter of last year and the first quarter of 2012. We continue to see strong growth in our recurring revenues from subscriptions and maintenance, which together grew over 17%. In addition, although we continue to see a gradual shift toward our SaaS model, our software license revenue grew by over 9% over the first quarter of 2011, representing the second consecutive quarter of year-over-year license revenue growth. Gross margin for the first quarter rose 80 basis points to 45.2% for the first quarter, compared to 2012 of 44.4%. However, our gross margin improvement was mostly offset by increases in SG&A costs related to facilities, increases in headcount for sales and certain internal support functions to support growth, as well as increased stock compensation expense. Increases in research and development expense also offset our gross margin improvement. This increase is primarily because there was no expense reimbursement offset from Microsoft during the first quarter. We had another strong quarter for bookings. Significant contracts for the first quarter included a multi-suite school agreement with the Socorro Independent School District in El Paso, Texas, to provide our Munis ERP, Tyler Student Information System, Tyler Pulse and Tyler Content Management Solutions. Socorro is one of the fastest growing school districts in Texas with more than 42,000 students and 7,000 staff. We signed a contract for our Munis ERP Solution with the City of Des Moines, Iowa’s largest city and the capital of the state. With our Odyssey Courts and Justice Solutions we signed…

Brian Miller

Analyst

Thanks, John. Yesterday afternoon Tyler Technologies reported its results for the first quarter ended March 31st. You’ve seen the press release and our 10-Q has also been filed, so I’m going to comment on some of the key factors in the quarter and then move on to John’s comments on the current quarter, and update our outlook for the remainder of 2012. Revenues for the first quarter were $82.7 million, a new quarterly high, and up 12.7%, compared to $73.4 million for the first quarter of 2011. Organic revenue growth was 8.3% this quarter, led by increases in our recurring revenues for maintenance and subscriptions, as well as growth in our software license revenue for the second consecutive quarter. Our acquisitions of Windsor Management Group in the fourth quarter of 2011 and UniFund in early March accounted for revenues of $3.3 million in the first quarter, or 4.4 percentage points of gross. Software license revenues grew 9.1% from last year’s first quarter, of which organic growth accounted for 4.1% of the increase. Subscriptions continued to be our fastest-growing revenue line and grew to 43.1%. Organic growth was 38.2% in the quarter and the impact of acquisitions was 4.9%. In the first quarter we added 11 new subscription-based arrangements and converted 17 existing installed clients, compared to a total of 13 new subscription arrangements and 1 conversion in the first quarter of 2011. During the first quarter, approximately 19% of our new software customers chose the SaaS arrangement, while 81% bought our software with a deployed solution and perpetual license. The subscriptions line also includes the growing revenue stream from transaction-based revenues, such as e-filing in the courts and online payments. In the first quarter of 2012 these revenues totaled $2.2 million, up from $1.4 million in the first quarter of…

John Marr

Analyst

Thank you, Brian. Our results for the quarter reflect the continued gradual improvement in the marketplace and the stability and steady growth of our recurring revenues, which were approximately 60% of total revenues as well as our ability to continue to improve our gross margins and to make what we believe are well-timed investments in our existing and future products. We continue to see modest improvement in the marketplace. Certainly, it is not all the way back to pre-current environment levels, but governments are addressing essential needs that have been deferred over the past few years. You can see in our numbers that bookings and backlogs have grown ahead of actual revenues recognized. We see these along with RP activity as leading indicators that we are returning to a modestly higher level of growth. During the past few years with lower than normal growth for Tyler, we’ve exercised the aggressive expense management. In the first quarter, you could see that we had made some important investments in sales, professional services, facilities and general support. It’s important we do this to realize the opportunity in the marketplace as well as to ensure we can deliver on the higher levels of business in a high-quality fashion. This said, we continue to be convinced that there remains a strong opportunity for margin expansion as revenues grow, although it may be lumpy at times. With the new business market slowly improving, the story is positive with respect to our recurring revenues. We continue to add clients in our SaaS and hosted offerings, including those that are new to Tyler and existing clients who convert to a hosted solution from an in-house Tyler system. As our industry transitions from the license on-premise model to a hosted SaaS model, it is critical that Tyler has a…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Nate Schneiderman at Roth Capital.

Nathan Schneiderman

Analyst

John, just to clarify the modest improvement in the market that you’re seeing, have you seen any sort of step function up from the levels you were seeing in Q4 and if so what specifically would you point to there that you’re seeing?

John Marr

Analyst

No, not really. I would characterize the market as having remained in a much lower activity range through the middle of last year. And as we started to see and report the second half of last year, our bookings and experience were improving. And I would just say that, that continued, that did continue through the first quarter and we’re still experiencing that in the second quarter. So I would not want to characterize it as some significant step up, but there certainly is some improvement. And I think it’s mostly attributable to these deferred projects that really do need to be addressed at this point.

Nathan Schneiderman

Analyst

And then, just a follow-up question then, kind of a clarification on the Microsoft situation. So, $120 million of royalties and you’re expecting -- sorry -- $120,000 of royalties, $180,000 up supports as $300,000 or so, $300,000 on 12 deals, it just -- I was under the impression that these Microsoft Partner deals were larger than deals which you were typically seeing. So, can you explain what’s going on there? And then, Brian, just related to the Microsoft, can you explain how the rev-rec is going to work in general when a Microsoft Partner sells it, will you tend to recognize all that revenue, one quarter later period of time then when the partner books the deal?

John Marr

Analyst

Yes. It’s a good observation. Obviously, the maintenance we report is not, that revenue was not included in the quarter. But we’ll be very conscious as we have been with our own business that, wow there’s a new business market and license and associated with that. We’ll be anxious to build our recurring revenue underneath that and look forward to where that supports our investment in the product and the licenses can be incremental and much higher margins. So, the fundamentals in building that business are very similar to our own proprietary business. Obviously, we’re just getting our royalty of that. So the sales to the customer were much higher. The reseller, or channel partner, kept their share there and then we share in the royalty that Microsoft gets after that. But we do have an arrangement with Microsoft, where both Tyler customers as well as their proprietary customers of all of their Dynamics products have a low cost transition, if they choose to, from their existing Microsoft or Tyler solution to AX. And I think that’s important and it will help us build that support base, et cetera. So a number of these were transitional clients, or licenses were artificially low. But again they have, they’ll help us build more in the way of the recurring support maintenance.

Brian Miller

Analyst

And Nate, on the revenue recognition. At this point, we’ll generally recognize all of our royalty upfront. We earn it without a further obligation. And in the quarter following the quarter in which the sale is made, we get that reporting typically 30 days after the end of the quarter so after we’ve already reported our earnings. And at this point, we don’t have a basis to estimate that. So we’ll record that in the quarter following the quarter that the sale is actually made in.

John Marr

Analyst

So what was reported in this quarter was for the fourth quarter of 2011, the product was released in August. So it’s very early, the normal sale cycle wouldn’t allow a normal process to be executed and a decision to be made. So obviously these were people that were waiting for the product and purchased it almost on its release. I think in another couple of quarters what we’ll see is more of the normal sales process resulting in those sales. So we’re -- I’d be looking for what happens a year after it was released, so what happens in the third quarter will be reported in our earnings in the fourth quarter this year -- that’s when we’ll start to see numbers that have been through the normal sales process.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Kinstlinger at Sidoti.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst

Maybe can you give us, John, an update. When you talked at the user conference/investor piece about a handful of states that are looking at core RFPs and we obviously talked about California as well and the counties there. So maybe give us a sense of the different stages -- in the procurement process of where they are. And then, will you need to hire given the robust pipeline and could that temporarily lead to lower EPS?

John Marr

Analyst

Are you talking specifically about courts?

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst

Specifically about courts.

John Marr

Analyst

Okay. What Brian is referring to is, I think the market in general is behaving normally and what we’ve expected, it’s healthy. We know the states and the counties that are in the process or about to and I don’t think there is any surprises there. But significant change in the court marketplace recently was that the State of California that had a build going on with really IT services partners, very significant project, $1.9 billion project actually, that they effectively pulled the plug on that project. So the 83 counties in California, they really had been on hold for some time and a lot of – there probably had been very few purchases or transitions in the last 10 years in California and many of those counties are using systems that are 15 or 20 years old. They now all have to come up with their own independent strategies and no longer can just sit on the sidelines and wait for the State system to come out. So, obviously, California is a very, very significant sized state. And as I said there is 83 different counties of all different sizes. And so all of sudden, there is certainly is a new market opportunity that wasn’t there previously. We would hire, if the kind of people that could be helpful to us were available, but it’s a highly specialized skill to really know the courts, have the relationships and they are not just strict salespeople, these are people that need to be a resource to the courts in making their plan. So, probably there maybe a couple of new bodies that we’re able to find, people that can be effective. But for the most part, we’re going to have to lean on the people we have because building those skills is -- would only be a distraction really at this point. We’ll use the people we have for the most part.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst

And just a follow-up on that question, just the various stages maybe of the 5 states that are on procurement and then, are you going to hire more developers -- not necessary the salespeople, but how soon ahead of these RFPs you have to start hiring on the development side given your win rate has been 80% on the state level?

John Marr

Analyst

I don’t – I don't want to comment on those individual processes. As you indicated there are number of states that are in the process. We don’t expect to -- our back-to-back quarters with deals like Oregon and Maryland as we did last year, but there certainly remain a number of significant opportunities out there and we do expect that division to have -- continue to have higher growth than Tyler experiences Tyler-wide. There will be marginal growth in both sales and development, but I think we’ve been staffed there for a higher level of business and that there will be leverage between the relationship between development, growth and cost and sales growth and cost and our ability to grow the division as a whole. So we would expect that those would have some leverage and support margin expansion over time. Where we will see the biggest headcount growth will be in the professional services side, of implementing these systems and that is -- that has less leverage in that model. So you’re seeing some of that in the first quarter in courts, but really Tyler-wide, where we have to go out and bring in some resources, and there's some period of time while we’re training those people and getting them up to speed before we can deploy them and generate revenue. So, we saw some of that with courts and again Tyler-wide in the first quarter. And we’ll see some of that throughout the year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Tim Quillin at Stephens, Inc.

Timothy Quillin

Analyst

So it’s my sense that Wiznet has been a great acquisition for you in terms of generating incrementally filing business. You clearly had a strategy with the last 3 acquisitions around Infinite Visions. And I’m just wondering is that more of access to the markets or is that a product that you think could be much bigger across your existing client base?

John Marr

Analyst

Well, it’s a blend of that. Clearly, they bring some access to geography and marketplace that we weren’t as strong in as we are in other places. But the product also has a very competitive position and even in the few months that we’ve had the products, it’s been successful in the marketplace and I’m very, very pleased with that. I think the transactions would have stood on more of a consolidation play, as a positive acquisition for us, but again our hope was and what our current experience is, is that product is competitive. It’s competitive in some sub niches that we’re not and that we don’t have a stronger presence in what our other products, so it’s a bit of a blend. We will certainly continue to sell that product, invest in it and support it going forward. I don’t see it as a product necessarily, though, that gets leveraged over our other sales channel, so somewhere in between.

Timothy Quillin

Analyst

Got it. And no buybacks during the quarter, which I think is the first quarter in a long time where that’s been the case. You’re making some acquisitions or have made some acquisitions, but what do you see over the rest of the year as uses for cash? And if I can sneak one additional easy one in for Brian is where -- where do the royalties get booked is that in the software licenses line?

Brian Miller

Analyst

I’ll add to that part quickly, on the royalties and other revenues.

John Marr

Analyst

Obviously, we’ve had what we felt was a great opportunity in our stock over the last 2 years and I think bought just under 20% of the outstanding stock in 2010 and 2011. So, we don’t really have a sense of urgency to have to buy more of it at this point. Obviously, we’re pleased that the stock has appreciated very nicely through acquisitions, the previous stock buybacks, investments in our own facilities, we’ve deployed a lot of capital and actually have $50 million it’s off the line of credit at this point. So I think we’re in a position where we don’t need to be overly aggressive and can be somewhat patient, but certainly if there were an opportunity in the stock, as in the past, we’d be aggressive again.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Charlie Strauzer at CJS Securities.

Charles Strauzer

Analyst

A couple of quick questions. For Brian, of the 620 of SG&A from the acquisitions you talked about, is that a good number to use kind of from how is going forward?

Brian Miller

Analyst

Yes. That’s the incremental over last year’s first quarter. It will be a little bit higher than that because the UniFund acquisition really was only in for a month and CSA, the latest one was not in this quarter at all. It was in April. So I think on a quarterly basis between the 4, or between the 3 acquisitions it’s probably going to be closer to about $1 million a quarter. So it will be a little bit higher than where we are right now.

Charles Strauzer

Analyst

Got it. Great. That’s helpful. And then John, when you look at the kind of success of this of SaaS, and you are kind of guided to over 40% growth this year, versus kind of where it has been, what do you think the main drivers there has been? Is it in more of the -- is it more of a combination of economics or is it more of the agent populous of the IT professionals at the local level?

John Marr

Analyst

It’s different for -- what’s interesting and what we’re pleased with is that somewhere around and even split of those customers have come from the new business market and the other side coming from existing long-term customers, really. And I think the catalysts of those decisions are different. So, when somebody comes to us in the first place or buys our system in the first place the catalyst generally is, as we’ve discussed, that they’ve got the deferred pent-up demand and they a system that really is reaching a point that it isn’t reliable and still 80% of those purchase on-premise because they have the infrastructure and they have the people, the IT resources, to support that system, although 20% adoption is a glowing percentage of that business for us. And what we’re finding in the basis is what you indicated as the latter, which is generally after they have the system sometime and after they have had a relationship with us that they’ve become comfortable with, we'd become a real partner of theirs, then when they have a point where they need to reinvest in their infrastructure or they have their IT professional exiting the workforce, and the people that they’ve been comfortable with supporting their system no longer available to them, that becomes a catalyst. They say, hey, instead of making that significant investment or instead of trying to find new IT specialists that don’t know our specific needs the way the people that have been here 20, 30 years know, they go and take a look at the SaaS offering and partnering with us on that. Obviously, our inside sales channel looks for those symptoms and offers SaaS transition as that approaches. So, again, the catalyst for our new clients versus transitional clients are little bit different. And we’re pleased that, that keeps moving along very nicely.

Operator

Operator

And the next question comes from Jonathan Ho at William Blair.

Jonathan Ho

Analyst

Guys, could you talk a little bit about what you’re seeing the competitive environment today and maybe talk a little bit about your win rate by segment?

John Marr

Analyst

Yes. Little bit, not too much into the competitive nitty-gritty, but I think in the courts area, especially in the higher-end deals, we probably have one of our strongest positions. We lost a couple of deals we would have liked a few years ago, but I think in the last 2 years or so we’re pretty much won all the important deals that we were involved in, so we’re very strong there. The product has always been strong there, but I think at this point our record on executing on the projects in a risk-adverse environment is very valuable to us as well. Obviously, it’s a broader market when you move to the financial systems and our biggest market there with a lot of different players. We’ve improved our win rates from, in real round numbers, from around 1/3 to around 1/2, which is a significant move, modestly better market. So we’re seeing a higher level of business there. I think pricing pressure has become a little more of an issue, so I think the reasons for losses have been more cost-oriented over the last year or so then quality of the software or reference ability are the traditional decision points. Tax and appraisal will probably improve modestly as well. We’ve had a kind of a re-look or improved user experience there that has definitely had some traction and done well in recent decisions as well.

Jonathan Ho

Analyst

Got it. And can you talk a little bit about sort of your expectations around the e-filing revenue? I mean, you gave some metrics in terms of the growth, but it seems like there probably are some system spends that are going to get taken later on this year. So, how should we think about growth in that business for the rest of 2012?

Brian Miller

Analyst

We talked about broadly that it’s kind of north of 40% growth rate on our subscriptions. That’s certainly a component, and I think that will grow much in line with our overall subscription growth. There a number of clients that are in various stages of ramp-ups. With new e-filing customers, there typically is fairly long ramp up period particularly between the time the system is implemented and the time that the jurisdiction may make use of it mandatory, and certainly the adoption rates go up significantly when it becomes mandatory. And so, we have clients like the State of New Mexico that are moving towards that mandatory status. We’ve got clients some like some of our clients in the State of Minnesota that there are in pilot project situations. And so, we do have projects in the -- or customers in the pipeline that are moving towards that higher level of business and so, I think that we would expect to grow in that 30% to 40% range this year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Raghavan Sarathy of Dougherty & Company.

Raghavan Sarathy

Analyst

I have 2 questions, first one is for John. John, you talked about modest improvement in the market conditions. Customers are looking at some of the deferred projects. Can you give us some sense for how this is translated into RPs or perhaps if you can quantify what you’re seeing in terms of RPs in the market in the current conditions?

John Marr

Analyst

RP activity the last couple of years has been off about 30% from the environment before the recession, if you will. And it’s probably up in between 10% and 15% range from that level. So, it’s recovered somewhat, but not back to where it was before.

Raghavan Sarathy

Analyst

Okay. And then a question for Brian. You included $10 million of additional revenue from acquisition. Can you give us some sense of where that might fall among license services and maintenance? Is it mostly maintenance or did you sell new licenses?

Brian Miller

Analyst

There is some new license business and we did give the breakdown in the call in terms of how much of the new -- of each revenue line in the quarter came from acquisition. But these businesses are primarily maintenance oriented there similar to the rest of our business. And just a second, I’ll give you a little bit more of the split. In total those businesses, UniFund, CSA and Windsor, generate about in the range of $15 million in maintenance out of, say, $24 million in total revenues. And we’re not sure exactly how that fall out this year because of the maintenance haircut we take in the first year with purchase accounting. But in the range of $15 million of maintenance out of $24 million of revenues, and the balance of the revenues are fairly evenly split between new licenses and professional services.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Brian Kinstlinger at Sidoti.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst

Yes. First maybe, John, can you give us a ballpark, you mentioned about a $1.5 million from e-filing revenue a quarter. If you were -- I tried to ask this once before I think, but if you were to put all of your customers in courts on e-filing, what is that general market opportunity. Is that in the $50 million to $100 million range or is it significantly smaller than that?

John Marr

Analyst

Well, its $1.5 million for the quarter, so our annual run rate is around $5 million now. If all of them are on, it would certainly be a multiple of that. I don’t think it would be $50 million, maybe in the $20 million range, but I don’t really have that number. As Brian indicated, a big thing is whether or not it’s mandatory. So to simply implement e-filing and just see what the adoption is, you’re going to have relatively low adoption or it’s going to take a very, very long time to ramp that up. So what’s critical is not just to get the clients to adopt it, but to pass some legislation where it’s mandatory, at least for certain types of filings. And then, obviously, the adoption is very high, and the ramp up happens very quickly. So it’s kind of a 2-tier process to get the courts to want to do it and agree to do it, but have them also lobby for the legislation that makes it mandatory.

Brian Kinstlinger

Analyst

And then, how many of your 8 states are going through any mandatory legislation processing? And then the last question, organic sales, organic growth in software license was 4%. You won a lot of large deals at the end of last year, do you expect that will accelerate throughout the year?

John Marr

Analyst

I don’t know how many are going through the legislation. Do you Brian have any information on that?

Brian Miller

Analyst

I don’t know. I know New Mexico is currently mandatory or it has made it mandatory, but there is a phase-in period. A couple of states we currently have, and I think North and South Dakota, are on -- have e-filing that they purchased it on a license basis. And I don’t believe we’re doing e-filing in New Hampshire, Indiana. Minnesota is working towards the pilot project now. So, I think it’s really right now only -- and then it’s been -- we have an agreement with Maryland that obviously hasn’t implement it yet. So, I think there is only one of our states that’s really fully on the mandatory and I’m not sure what the status on the rest of them are.

John Marr

Analyst

On the licenses, we would expect higher growth than that throughout the year, although it’s always the hardest number to project. Some of it's in backlog and some of it -- has better visibility, but there is always a component of it that is more sell and deliver and recognize. And then, obviously, it’s hard to project new business in terms of what’s going to be SaaS versus traditional and obviously if it’s SaaS, we’re fine with that, but that could put some -- it could keep the growth to a lower level. But our current expectation is that the growth for the year would be at a higher level than what we saw in the first quarter.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Charlie Strauzer at CJS Securities.

Charles Strauzer

Analyst

Brian, just a quick follow-up on SaaS. Just what percent of revenue in the quarter was SaaS?

Brian Miller

Analyst

In terms of actual SaaS posted clients?

Charles Strauzer

Analyst

Yes. In terms of the revenue you got from SaaS, what percent of revenue do you think it was in the quarter roughly?

Brian Miller

Analyst

That’s about 10%, about 12% of the revenue in the quarter I think was SaaS with total subscriptions. And of that, it’s about -- when you take out the e-filing and online payments, the real SaaS type arrangements was just shy of $7 million in the quarter.

Operator

Operator

At this time there appear to be no more questions. Mr. Marr, I will turn the call back over to you for closing remarks.

John Marr

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Amy. And thank you for joining us on the call today. If you do have any future questions, feel free to call Brian or myself. Have a great day.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.