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Q4 2008 Earnings Call· Thu, Jan 29, 2009

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Textron Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). And as a reminder today’s conference is being recorded. I will now like to turn the conference over to Doug Wilburne, Vice President for Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Doug Wilburne

Analyst

Thanks Glenn, and good morning, everyone. Joining us today are Lewis Campbell, Textron's Chief Executive Officer; Scott Donnelly, Textron’s President and Chief Operating Officer and Ted French, Textron's Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to mention our discussion today, we will include remarks about future estimates and expectations. These forward-looking statements are subject to various risk factors which are detailed in our annual SEC fillings and also in today's press release. You can also find a slide deck containing key data items from today's call in the Investor Relations section of our website. And we will be specifically referring to a couple of these charts today during our discussion. And then one final point is when we get to Q&A, we would like to ask everyone to please limit themselves to one question with possible follow-up. So that we can get through everybody, we would appreciate that. So, now moving to fourth quarter results, revenues in the quarter were $3.6 billion up slightly from a year ago. Our income from continuing operations excluding special charges was $0.40 per share consistent with our revised guidance of $0.30 to $0.40 per share offered in our December 22, press release. Special items in the quarter included the following, a $293 million pre-tax or $0.86 per share mark-to-market adjustment against assets held for sale at TFC in conjunction with our exit plan announced on December the 22. A $169 million pre-tax charge or $0.67 per share to eliminate TFC’s goodwill, a $31 million tax charge or $0.13 per share, related to the change in investment status of TFC’s Canadian subsidiary and $64 million pre-tax charge or $0.18 per share for restructuring charges across the enterprise. Also we close on the sale of our Fluid & Power business and recorded an after-tax gain of $111 million which is reflected in discontinued operations. A reconciliation of our reported GAAP loss of $0.87 is attached to our press release. For the full-year our manufacturing businesses generated $899 million in cash against capital expenditures of $542 million. Textron received $142 million and dividends during the year from TFC and in December we made $625 million capital contribution into Textron financial to maintain the earnings to fixed charge coverage ratio under the support agreement between Textron and TFC. Keep in mind that the contribution did not resolve and an increased to the total combined debt of Textron and Textron’s financial as the increase in debt outstanding of Textron was exactly offset by the lower debt outstanding at TFC. With that I will turn the call over to Lewis.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Thank you, Doug, and good morning everyone, let me set the stage for my remarks this morning by first pointing out the obvious economic conditions weaken further during the fourth quarter, but actually had a pace and degree that has not occurred in decades. The impact on our customers at Cessna Industrial and Textron Financial were particularly significant. Consequently as many of you have already observed, we believe 2009 is setting up to be the most challenging year ever for most manufacturing companies. Furthermore, Textron, we have an obvious additional challenge related to our commercial finance business and we are addressing that. That being said we have developed plans for 2009 that’s squarely focus on two important goals. Improving cash generation and operating performance at each of our businesses and a markedly slower demand environment. And aggressively converting finance receivables at TFC to cash. Frankly, we are taking a very pragmatic approach to every aspect of the business given this unprecedented economic environment. And we have implemented a very comprehensive liquidity plan for the company we will talk about that. And a cornerstone of this plan is the expanded TFC exit strategy announced on December 22nd, which calls for a liquidation of at least $2.6 billion in receivables by the end of this year. We have a detailed execution plan for achieving this liquidation target and Ted will describe this in more detail very fully later. In addition to the portfolio run-off, we are also pursuing significant asset sales of individual TFC business. A variety of potential buyers are currently looking at various portions and combinations of TFC, TFC’s assets and we are working these possibilities vigorously. We are also working on new securitizations. Our facility extensions similar to what we did last month, when we extended the maturity on…

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

Thank you, Lewis. Good morning everyone. Clearly our focus this year the manufacturing businesses to maximize cash flow of our operations while at the same time preserving the critical part development efforts that will support our future growth when we come out of this economy. Accordingly we are aligning our '09 production to match expected lower commercial demand lowering our selling, general and administrative cost to headcount reductions, curtailing most discretionary spending includes some reductions in product development, freezing salaries across the company, aggressively reducing our working capital and eliminating non-essential capital spending. Specifically, we dramatically reduced our production plans in Cessna Industrial and to a lesser extent at Bell Commercial to ensure we reflect our current view of customer band to minimize our finished goods inventory. Correspondingly today we announced an additional 2000 headcount reduction at Cessna, consistent with our reduced production level of about 375 jets. Overall, we're targeting a 10% reduction in SG&A expense which is worth about $150 million in cost savings. With respect to R&D where we're originally planning an increase of nearly 10%, we are now committed to reduce net R&D spending by about 8% or $45 million less than 2008. Looking at our working capital, primary source of cash opportunity here is our inventories which last year were $3.1 billion. We are working across all of our inventories and all of our operations to reduce that number by 15%, leveraging our lean activities deeper into our manufacturing processes and by resetting our supplier delivery schedules to align with our reduced order requirements. To finish with CapEx we are planning to reduce our spending to about $315 million this year that's down 42% from last year's $542 million again consistent with our reduced capacity requirements. In summary, we recognized our planning for reduced demand in our commercial businesses and we are taking appropriate actions to optimize our performance due to this down cycle. And our defense operations where demand remained strong, we're committed to efficiently building the foundation for growth as in our plan over the next few years. With that I will turn it over to, Ted

Ted French

Analyst

Thank you, Scott. Good morning everyone. Let me start with the discussion of the TFC exit strategy and then our overall liquidity plan. The exit strategy consists of two elements, liquidation of TFC's non-captive finance receivables and the sale of assets. We've developed comprehensive bottoms up account-by-account liquidation plan that targets a 2009 receivables reduction of $2.6 billion. Notifications were issued late last year, informing our customers of our intentions to terminate financing as soon as contractually permissible and advising them to seek alternate funding. We are monitoring progress against weekly targets to ensure that we need our reduction goal. Despite a minimum 90 day window from most contract terminations to become effective we do expect to achieve over $400 million in liquidations in Q1. We're only a few weeks into our plan, but we are having early success and tracking slightly ahead of target. As we passed the minimum notification period in the second quarter we expect a significant acceleration and liquidation has been. In some cases we're able to assist groups of our customers and locating alternative financing. For example late last year we completed a customer transfer agreement with another inventory financing company. Under the agreement this company will assume new funding requirements for approval of our consumer electronics and appliance for planned customers. We are pursuing similar transfer arrangements for as much of our distribution finance portfolio as possible. The second part of our exit strategy involved sales of TFC assets, and in that regard we've designated $2.9 billion of our managed receivables as now being held for sales. Based on the number of interested parties currently performing reviews, we believe we may be able to complete a number of meaningful transactions this year thereby augmenting the liquidation process. Now, let's talk about the how the…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) And at this time we have a question from Nicole Parent, Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Nicole Parent – Credit Suisse: Good morning.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Hey Nicole. Nicole Parent – Credit Suisse: I guess first could we may be get a sense when we go back to the August, obviously the financial landscape has deteriorated rapidly for everybody but I guess in the context of the finance presentation that we got back in August, when we talked about the portfolio quality improving and kind of there was no way we were going to get back to the losses that we had, in the '02, '03 timeframe. At the end of the fourth quarter it looks like we wildly exceeded the charge-off ratio TMPA. When you think about passage for 2009 how much conservative put in to that forecast.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Well, obviously Nicole the world did change in the fourth quarter in a big way for us and, we've taken substantial reserves in the quarter higher than what we had previously expected both as a combination of the changes in the world and the impact that its had on our borrowers and their customers. But also in the context of the fact that you know our business model largely blew up as a result of all of the changes that have happened with the financial crisis. And we have changed strategies to move ourselves back to captive position. And we believe that, that will result in further losses higher levels of losses because of that. I think we have been reasonable and may be reasonably conservative. We have put reserves up in Q4 at levels that are as I said, depending on business two to four times higher than what we incurred in the prior downturn. We also have significantly raised charge-off expectations in our numbers for next year. As well as assumptions that we'll have to continue to put up significant reserves. I just don't know where the economy is going to go from this point I think we're being conservative but time will tell. Nicole Parent – Credit Suisse: Fair enough and just one follow-up on the cancellations and deferrals you are seeing 20% delivery forecast declined for 2009. Seems reasonable may be any read through that you can make on who is canceling who is deferring or is it. All customers all industry across the board?

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

Well, Nicole it seems to be across the board fairly, broadly mixed I mean, we still have a good mix of international. We haven't really seen any single pocket of cancellations that makes you think, there is some kind of a very serious targeted problem for us, and is basically what President Obama and the rest of the world is trying to figure out. How do you stimulate the economy and up for the people who are out and borrowing money at rates taken before to buy business jets and other items. So no I would say nothing noteworthy. Nicole Parent – Credit Suisse: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And next we have a question from, Jeff Sprague, Citi Investment Research. Please go ahead. Jeffrey Sprague – Citi Investment Research: Thank you. Just on TFC, Ted would you actually envision continuing to build your provision balance over the course of '09, you provision well in excess of charge-offs here in the quarter. But should we expect the balance to continue to increase over the course of '09?

Ted French

Analyst

No, Jeff. I think we have substantial charge-offs that we expect in '09. We will continue to put up additional provisions as we go to the year but we expect charge-offs will be higher than provision. So that balance will come down as will the overall asset balance come down, we're targeting to be down to just over $8.5 billion of receivables by the end of the year.

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

Okay. Jeff, the mid point of our range assumes a mid point of charge-offs somewhere in the 3.5% area so that would not lead to an increase in reserves.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Ideally we obviously put up the reserves first, the charge-offs following in subsequent periods. Jeffrey Sprague – Citi Investment Research: And, Ted you kind of walked us through the liquidity with some of the pluses and minuses we needed to think about but just to be specific, where are the CP balances today and what are the timing of the '09 term maturities?

Ted French

Analyst

CP balances today are around $1.7 billion somewhere in that neighborhood I don't have it this morning.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Just below, 1.8 yesterday.

Ted French

Analyst

Just below 1.8 yesterday, the timing of maturities are pretty much backend loaded the TFC maturities are, in the $200 million to $300 million range for the first three quarters of the year. And then about $800 million in Q4 for a total 1.50 for the full year. Jeffrey Sprague – Citi Investment Research: And then if I might just change gears a little bit back to Cessna.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

It will be a follow-up Jeff. Jeffrey Sprague – Citi Investment Research: I know, but that’s the world we live in, isn’t it?

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Yeah. Jeffrey Sprague – Citi Investment Research: Nicole asked the question a little bit as related to Cessna, but what is the '09 production implied for Mustang and is there any particular distinction between our Mustang customers are acting and others certainly a couple of months they were looking more resilient and I wonder if that’s changed?

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

No, Jeff, I would say that, that still where we are. The number of enquires cancellation delays as we have gone through the Mustang backlog remains very firm. We have taken it down modestly from our original '09 plans but the reductions there are not as significant to some of the other larger effect.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

We are looking at about hundred first. Jeffrey Sprague – Citi Investment Research: Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

And next we have a question from Cai von Rumohr, Cowen & Company. Please go ahead. Cai von Rumohr – Cowen & Company: Okay, so you said a 130 Mustangs which would imply, I see you are up 30% there, is that correct? So, all of the decline is coming in the good stuff where you make a good margins?

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

That’s correct. The Mustang is still and is still under ramp up. Cai von Rumohr – Cowen & Company: Okay. And could you give us some more color on which of the models that are having the greatest difficulty and why the first quarter from the kind of a disappointing fourth quarter is going to be 80? Is that sort of delays or is it execution. I guess, I didn’t quite understand why the first quarter was going to be quite so low?

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Scott.

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

Well it’s primarily a factor of the delays and cancellations that we saw when we went through the fourth quarter last year and went through and talked to all of our customers to backlog. So, those 80 units that we have forecast for Q1 delivery are all firm sold aircraft.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

I think it’s the speed in which the cancellation process and the late process happened in Q4, a lot of newer aircraft got cancelled and we are in a process right now of trying to reset the line, move customer slots around, move some customers up but there is not enough time to make a lot of that happen in Q1. Cai von Rumohr – Cowen & Company: So, do we assume that you took about 30-35 Mustangs in the first quarter.

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

Yes, it should be about that. Yeah it’s a linear run rate and the run rate that we had going out of the year supported the original plan to be able to do about 150 a year. So, you would expect that Mustang delivered pretty lengthier linear across the year. Cai von Rumohr – Cowen & Company: Thank you very much gentlemen.

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

Okay.

Operator

Operator

And next we have a question from Noel Poponac, Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Noel Poponac – Goldman Sachs: Hi, good morning.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Hello. Noel Poponac – Goldman Sachs: You talked about the CP being available but more difficult on some days. Can you give us kind of what the actual cost is on average and comment on whether not the recent rating agency downgrades have impacted your excess at all.

Ted French

Analyst

I’ll start with the first, we have average 4.5% but that’s very, we had got very expensive late December, we came back after the 1st of January, the cost plunged quite a bit and then I would say that as our ratings kind of reset here over the last few weeks, that have had some impact both on cost and quantity in the short-terms hopefully that’s all settling back down now and we will have better position going forward.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

And values by maturities, the overnight obviously is less expensively and that’s like in the 3.5% range and stuff that we are getting out in the March is more little bit over a 5.5% range. Noel Poponac – Goldman Sachs: That makes sense. Quick follow-up the Textron System’s guidance, it looks like it implies that the margin percentage is down about 100 basis points year-over-year even though your volume is increasing in the upper single digits. Can you just walk us through the puts and takes on that?

Ted French

Analyst

I think the big driver there is kind of a problem of great performance. During the course of 2008 we consistently over performed on a lot of our government contracts and continued to pick up big games on contract close outs and obviously as you see your actual performance and we negotiate new contracts which happens on pretty much on annual basis, with a lot of these businesses; you got to recent your margins back down into the more acceptable level for our customers. So, we really outperformed in '08 we expect to have good solid performance at traditional margins in '09 but just not repeating the over performance we had in '08.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Yes, one comment I would add there just quickly is that systems for, say a decade has been probably our most aggressive in employing lean tactics and just creating a improvement mentality and improvement mentality for the entire workforce, right from the engineers to the factory floor. And we have historically quoted fixed price contracts which can be risky in our case they have never been. And then we have historically found ways to beat those prices over the contract periods. So, you actually incur more profits than you estimated and that’s what they have talked about, so I would expect that what you are looking at going forward to be conservative not aggressive Noel Poponac – Goldman Sachs: Okay. Thanks a lot.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Yes.

Operator

Operator

And next we have a question from David Strauss with UBS. Please go ahead. David Strauss – UBS: Good morning. Thank you.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Hi, David. David Strauss – UBS: The 375 delivered that you are forecasting for assessment, can you just give us an idea of coverage or you completely sold out on those given the deferrals, or do you still have it's tough to take some more it's actually hit that kind of number?

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

Right now where we are is little over 80% sold out. David Strauss – UBS: 80%.

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

80%, little above 80%. David Strauss – UBS: And then the deferrals that you are seeing is it your customers moving out six months a year or they moving out beyond that kind of period pushing deliveries out of couple of years?

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

It varies a quite a bit, but I mean suffice obviously most of the folks that are '09, we are talking about deferrals that one we pushed '10 and they are looking at the economy, trying to understand where they will be. So I think that's sort of fluid when you look at deferral you negotiate with customers and we will continue to work with them and until they want commit from date. David Strauss – UBS: Okay. And the interest expense forecast for the year, $180 million can you be maybe give us some color on what exactly is baked into that?

Ted French

Analyst

We are assuming and that number that we will term out a sale, one of our strategies for taking the CP balance down so we have less reliance on that market will be to term out that and we have assumed that we will term it out at some fairly high prices. It maybe a conservative number but we wanted to have covered what might happen. David Strauss – UBS: Okay. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

And next we have question from Steve Tusa with JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Steve Tusa – JP Morgan: Hi, good morning.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Hi, Steve. Steve Tusa – JP Morgan: I have a quick question for you. Couple of weeks ago GE, Tyco couple of others took advantage of the small window in the bond market. Were you guys around for that, will you exploring doing a deal with that stage of the game, can you talk about whether you explored doing something in the market at that stage of the game? And I am also just curious everybody kind of beat up on GE when they look at their finance business and in August they did an equity offering and it's seems like they been actually ahead of the curve relative to you guys as far as taking down their exposure in financial service and I haven’t seen any management changes here. So, I am just curious as to why we are continually, strategically behind the curve here, whether this is the function of you know what unprecedented environment, if you just comment on both of those items I appreciate it. Thank you.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

I don’t think we are behind the curve, I think we had a strategy to continue to refine and focus this business when the world was going through a more normal looking recession, but when we went into the September, October timeframe and had Lehman Brothers and other things happened it become apparent at that point in time that whole model or wholesale borrowing or kind of business was broken. And we pretty quickly made a decision that we need to take more aggressive action to do that and obviously we have been working that for lot of that quarter and so we came public with it on the 22nd of December. So, I don’t think we are behind the curve. Obviously, if we knew what we know today we would have starting doing this a long time ago. As to the capital markets I think you can safely assume that we are valuating a whole range of and have designed a whole range of possible directions that we have taken and when we think the markets are amenable to doing so we are ready to strike on moment to notice. Steve Tusa – JP Morgan: Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And next we have a question from Matt Vitoriosa (ph) from Barclays Capital. Please go ahead. [Matt Vitoriosa] – Barclays Capital: Good morning. I want to just get a little more clarity on liquidity for Textron Inc. specifically. And then more specifically looking at Q1, so if we take into account that the way you are talking about Q1 being probably the toughest quarter, on the Cessna side. So, I would think there is going to be some build up of inventory there which quickly to our cash outflow or free cash flow negative for Q1. So, if we think about the possibility of free cash flow negative for Q1 versus, having new contributive cash to Textron Finance, just could you lay out what your liquidity at Textron Inc is, which would tell us what your ability in Q1 to support Textron Finance?

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Yes. First of all, supporting Textron Finance largely happened in Q4, with the capital contribution to be made there. We will start during the course of '09, bringing some net balance back. We will have to make small capital contribution at the end of each quarter, but we will also be taking dividends back out of TFC as we liquidate the portfolio. So, it's our expectation that we will have a net flow back to Textron in '09. It will all depend on how well we execute the liquidation but based on our rundown $2.6 billion somewhere north of $50 million of net should back up to Textron if we are able to execute on any asset sales which we are working hard on during the course of the year. That number could be bigger. So, we don’t expect a further slowdown. In fact with the 625 that went down, TFC's leverage are down to just over five to one. So, there is a lot of room to bring some of that money back up. We do have, always, first quarter is a challenging quarter, but incorporating all of our business plans for the operation to business, obviously, we are shutting up inventory flowing into the house on the manufacturing side as best we can. We think, we can still operate in Q1, our CP balances under the $2 billion, $2.1 billion kind of range. So, we are all comfortable with our credit lines. [Matt Vitoriosa] – Barclays Capital: What's today if you look at the credit line at Textron Inc.? It's, I think, the $1.25 billion credit line. What's the availability considering the CP balances and other borrowers?

Ted French

Analyst

I think the piece of CP outstanding at Textron is 7 something. I don’t know the exact number today. 700 or 800, somewhere in that range. [Matt Vitoriosa] – Barclays Capital: Okay. Alright. Thank you guys.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

And again, though, just to make follow-up on that point, the entire $3 billion of our credit lines are available to TFC. There is a sub limit for Textron. [Matt Vitoriosa] – Barclays Capital: Okay, thanks.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). And at this time we have a question from Steve Searl, Conning Asset Management. Please go ahead. Steve Searl – Conning Asset Management: Yes, can you just tell us what was TFC’s total debt at the end of the year?

Ted French

Analyst

About 7 billion. Steve Searl – Conning Asset Management: And can you just talk about the pension plan, what impact that had on new shareholders equity and maybe funding needs for this year?

Ted French

Analyst

The pension plan is most of pretty good last year. We did better than many but were down 20% or so. Actually the hit to equity is about $800 million, little under $800 million. EPS wise and yes I know others will be interested in that, I think we have a headwind of somewhere around $0.04 to $0.05 a share or higher pension cost in 2009 versus 2008. And we have fairly minimal funding requirements in '09. We have our normal ongoing. We have a little bit of a DC plan that we pay cash into, we have some foreign plans that we put 15 million to 20 million of cash a year-end that’s normal an ongoing. The Master Trust which is where the largest portion of pension assets are and where the decline occurred will put less than $10 million in '09. Depending on how the stock market performance in '09 we could have requirements to put significantly more cash into those plans by the September 2010 timeframe. Steve Searl – Conning Asset Management: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And next we have a question from Mike Meek, Atlantic Investments. Please go ahead. Mike Meek – Atlantic Investments: Hi, just want to make sure I understand your guidance at Cessna assumption.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Say that again, I am sorry, you broke-up. Mike Meek – Atlantic Investments: Yeah sorry, I just ant to make sure I understand your guys Cessna assumptions. You have got 80% of the projected deliveries in hand, so the assumption is, you will be able to move customers who are further out in the backlog up to take those slots.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Yeah there will be a combination, so if you look at the number of aircraft that are unsold in terms of '09 delivery slot, some of those quite possibly will come from customers that are in at later delivery dates and fair number right now or potentially new customers. Mike Meek – Atlantic Investments: Okay, great.

Ted French

Analyst

We’re looking about 30 moves up from 2010 and we actually have a pretty good order forecast for 2009.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

But Mike, clearly that’s a risk in our plan which is why we have such a wide range of guidance, but we have gone through this with our sales force and based on what they see out there in the marketplace and we can't say that churn in the backlog that we have, that they feel we should be confident that they can fill those space, is something that we are going to have to track very closely and react to as we go through the year. Mike Meek – Atlantic Investments: Great, thank you.

Operator

Operator

And next we have a follow-up from Davis Straus, UBS please go ahead. David Strauss – UBS: Just to clarify that 2.6 billion decline in receivables that you are talking about this year. Is that just all run off or is that any sales in there.

Ted French

Analyst

The 2.6 has a little under 200 of sales that are kind of right in our scope. But the vast majority of that is, yes all just run off. David Strauss – UBS: Okay thanks.

Operator

Operator

And next we have a follow-up from Noel Poponac, Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Noel Poponac – Goldman Sachs: Hi yes, when you talk about keeping your eye on the term market. Do you think you are more likely to issue out of the parent or the FINCO?

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

More likely to issue out of the parent.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Yeah, it's part of the stagger parent first and then possible follow the BFC. Noel Poponac – Goldman Sachs: Okay and then you also mentioned looking at further asset sales outside of the FINCO. Can you talk about maybe what some of the assets you are looking at as candidates are?

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

No. We never do that and we always get that question in some form or the other. And its just I know you would love to have an answer. And obviously we did make a statement, that said we have, we are setting that and pursuing that. But we don’t really announce things until they are done.

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

It's not in anybody’s interest to do that so, you can appreciate that.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Clearly we are, we have every option on the table and we are looking at a number of assets, on the manufacturing side of the house as well. Noel Poponac – Goldman Sachs: Okay. Fair enough, thanks a lot.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

And next we have a question from Brian Jacoby, Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Nick Riley – Goldman Sachs : Hi guys, this is actually Nick Riley for Brian. Just a technical question. You mentioned earlier you had about 200 million drawn on your revolvers, I was just wondering where that 200 million was drawn from, is it Textron Fin or Inc.

Scott Donnelly

Analyst

Yeah it at the financial company. Nick Riley – Goldman Sachs : Thank you.

Doug Wilburne

Analyst

Alright Glenn, if we have no other calls we will conclude today’s call. And thank everybody very much for joining us.

Lewis Campbell

Analyst

Thank you for joining us. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

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