Adam Taich
Analyst · Patrick Donnelly with Citi
Yes. Thanks, Patrick. Yes, let me try to provide some transparency around the assumptions we've made in the revenue guide. So as I mentioned earlier, we estimate total NIH funding is about 20% to 25% of our total revenue. And so at the midpoint of our guidance range, what we've assumed here is a mid-single-digit decrease in NIH funded projects to our customers in 2025. And so that would equate to about a $7 million or so million impact to our revenue. And that assumption is based on a continuation of general conservatism, some of the spending patterns that you just asked about, Patrick, and delays that we first saw from our NIH-funded customers in the second half of last year. And then certainly, some of the announcements on the funds flow in January related to the NIH. And then since that time, the situation has been pretty fluid and dynamic, as you noted, the indirect funding costs were capped last Friday and temporarily suspended by a judge a couple of days later. And we expect there's going to be additional challenges to these new rules from universities and from others. And no one really knows with certainty what the final outcome of those various announced changes will be. And so as such, we have not incorporated these more recent events, the indirect conversation, which have changed by day, by day, in some cases, by the hour, we have not incorporated those into our guidance. Generally speaking, our customers use direct funds to purchase our products, including instruments. And so while this potential cap on indirect cost is not in our guidance, let me give you some color about how we're broadly thinking about these latest developments. Without going into real detail on direct versus indirect funds, we can reasonably bound the potential impact of an overall reduction in NIH funding. The NIH has said it expects the indirect cap to save more than $4 billion annually, which would imply an 8% cut to the overall NIH budget. So based on our 20% to 25% exposure, we estimate that this potential 8% reduction, if fully implemented across both direct and indirect funds, could result in approximately a $10 million to $15 million impact to our revenue, again, not accounted for in our 2025 guidance. I would add to that, also part of your question, apart from the quantitative impacts, we have to acknowledge the collective and heightened uncertainty around funding is going to have an additional impact on the confidence of our customers. And this can further impact customer spending patterns, their ability to make purchases and the timing of their purchases. So we're here to support our customers as they navigate this uncertain time, which unfortunately distracts from the important work they're doing to push science in the world forward. We're watching closely to see how customers deal with this uniquely dynamic environment, and we are here to partner with them. Given its critical role funding advanced research and discovery, the NIH has historically received bipartisan support, and we hope and expect that will continue as conditions normalize.