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Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 7, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the TETRA Technologies Third Quarter 2016 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note today’s event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Stuart Brightman, TETRA’s President and CEO. Mr. Brightman, please go ahead.

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Thank you, Rocco. Welcome to the TETRA Technologies third quarter 2016 earnings conference call. Elijio Serrano, our Chief Financial Officer is also in attendance this morning and will be available to address any of your questions, as well as Joseph Elkhoury, our Chief Operating Officer. I'll provide a brief overview of the third quarter results then turn it over to Elijio for some additional details, which in turn will be followed by your questions. I must first remind you that this conference call may contain certain statements that are or may be deemed to be forward-looking statements. These statements are based on certain assumptions and analyses made by TETRA and are based on a number of factors. These statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond the control of the Company. You are cautioned that such statements are not guarantees of future performance and that actual result may differ materially for those projected in the forward-looking statements. In addition, in the course of the call, we may refer to net debt, free cash flow, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted profit before tax or adjusted earnings per share or other non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to this morning's press release or to our public website for reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to the nearest GAAP measures. These reconciliations are not a substitute for financial information prepared in accordance with GAAP and should be considered within the context of our complete financial results for the period. In my remarks, I would like to cover an overview of the third quarter, our perspective on the fourth quarter and the markets in general as we move into 2017. Overall, our results for the third quarter showed positive trends in many areas and were consistent with our internal expectations and…

Elijio Serrano

Analyst

Thank you, Stuart. TETRA revenue of $176 million increased sequentially by 1%, but the quality of the revenue was meaningfully better at $900,000 sequential improvement in revenue generated of $0.10 improvement in adjusted EPS and $4 million improvement in adjusted EBITDA. Stuart mentioned earlier that fluids adjusted EBITDA was up materially from the second quarter. Offshore Services peaked with a significant increase from the second quarter. While compression and production testing services adjusted EBITDA was down only slightly. On a consolidated basis, adjusted EBITDA margins are 20.9% increased 210 basis points from 18.8% in the second quarter. We continue to generate EBITDA margins in the 18% to 21% of range over the last two quarters despite of the significant declining activity due to the stability of our compression business and from the technology office and lower cost structure of our fluids position. We continue to aggressively manage our cost. Cash cost is defined the difference between revenue and adjusted EBITDA decline an additional $3.1 million from the second quarter to the third quarter from $142.7 million to $139.6 million. If you evaluate over the past eight quarters, we have achieved our cost structure. You will note that from the timing completed the acquisition of CSI in August of 2014. We have reduced SG&A cost by over $45 million on an annualized basis when comparing the fourth quarter of 2014 to this recently completed third quarter of 2016. The cost associated with our field organization referencing in field offices personnel and all related field expenses have been reduced for the same time period from $491 million on an annualized basis, so approximate $208 million also on an annualized basis this past quarter. Our reduction of over $182 million or 37%, when combined with the SG&A cost reduction I previously mentioned, we…

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Thank you. And with that, let’s open up the lines for questions.

Operator

Operator

Absolutely sir, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Today’s first question comes from Marshall Adkins of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Marshall Adkins

Analyst

Good morning, guys. Let's focus on fluids if we could. Awesome margins there. What drove those and are they sustainable going in and through 2017?

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Yes, I think as I said Marshall the kind of two major contributors to that was kind of the progression of increase in activity on our Water Management business, we had referenced in prior quarters some of the projects were starting in West Texas. That's going well we had some strength in MidCon as well and we’re seeing increased utilization and great customer mix focused on our produced water capabilities. That's something that started. It's going the way we expected and we continue to - we expect to see positive trends on that through next year, big focus on how to differentiate that service line at the well site. So that was one key element, another element is and again just to go back to that as we see that trended activity onshore is not just water management, we sell a lot of product into those shale applications, so we've seen the demand for our products sales go up as well onshore. So that would be a second element with the onshore increase. And then offshore, as we said before, we had pretty good visibility at a couple of projects in the second half of the year. We had one of those come through in the third quarter, we expect another one in the fourth quarter and those are always positive. Gulf of Mexico business is always really good margin for us particularly one involves some of the new technology. So those would be the two biggest elements overall. Our industrial fluids business continues to hold up solid. No change in that normal pattern. Second quarter is the bigger quarter. Third quarter in Europe comes down from seasonal high. And those would be the main elements and again if you kind of extended to next year, offshore I think anybody that's operating the deepwater is going to have a more challenging year next year, you’ve seen all the commentary on prior calls last several weeks. We still have line of sight on some projects next year; the overall activity should be down. So again, hard to think that would be improved scenario next year, but we still should have some decent projects offshore.

Marshall Adkins

Analyst

Well that’s what I was trying to get to, if the margins were driven by a mix shift to the Gulf and I would question the sustainability. But it sounds like there's a big chunk of the improvement due to the U.S. which should be sustainable in most of our outlooks. Am I reading that correctly?

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Yes. And I would add a little more color that we had several projects in the Gulf of Mexico. We had some in the third quarter, we have visibility in the fourth quarter and we expect less of those big projects next year, but we still have visibility. So I think if you go sequentially year-on-year, we would expect our Gulf of Mexico fluids to be down, we would expect our onshore fluids to be up.

Marshall Adkins

Analyst

Okay. Perfect. That's helpful. And then it seems like you have lost a lot of share in the U.S. and kind of both the fluids areas, but that's coming back. Is that fair to say that the share we lost or you lost earlier you're starting to recapture at this stage?

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

I don't think that's totally accurate. I view that we’ve maintained our share both onshore and offshore. In fact, I think in 2015, 2016 we’ve increased our share in the Gulf of Mexico, lot of that been driven by new technology. I think the revenue and associated margins onshore it has been all activity driven and associated pricing, but we don't feel we've lost any share and we in fact in certain areas and customers have taken share on onshore and that's imbedded in the results for the third quarter.

Marshall Adkins

Analyst

Perfect. So, model that the U.S. components kind of rig count driven from here then.

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Yes. Kind of the understanding, we think we will take some share on the water management as we go through based on the new technology.

Marshall Adkins

Analyst

Perfect. Thanks, guys.

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Thank you, Marshall.

Operator

Operator

And our next question ladies and gentlemen comes from Jacob Lundberg of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Jacob Lundberg

Analyst

Hey, good morning guys.

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Good morning.

Jacob Lundberg

Analyst

Just wanted to follow-up on the Permian water project, so just looking for an update on that. And in the last call you said you had hoped to start the third pad towards the end of the third quarter moving into the fourth quarter. Has that played out as expected and then should we expect some incremental contribution in 4Q over 3Q to the degree that you didn’t get a full quarter contribution of that third pad in the third quarter?

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Yes. I’ll let Joseph answer that. He's been out there in the last several weeks and has really good handle on that.

Joseph Elkhoury

Analyst

All right. So, yes we have started the third pad as expected and as communicated in the previous quarter earnings call. So to give you more color on land, we continue to focus like you said on gaining share in water management with our differentiated solutions for produced water recycling and treatment technologies as well. We see those margins improving into Q4. We’ve managed to get from our preferred customers a couple of price increases, so the margins from that segment of our fluids will continue to improve moving into 2017 as well. At the same time, we have expanded our distribution in the Permian and hope to start distributing fluids to most of the Delaware customers in Q4 and that will also contribute revenue and margin in Q4 versus Q3. With regards to chemical products we have to get some price concessions, we continue to replace some of the oil and gas customers with industrial customers and as the oil and gas activity rebounds slowly but surely in North America land we’re starting to see signs of those products coming back into our revenue stream. So that’s gives you an idea about how land, fluids inclusive with water is going. At the same time, with regards to the water management solutions we have introduced, we see a good pipeline was replicating some of this technology with high-end customers in the Permian Basin. We don’t expect to see an improvement in Q4 from those additional customers we are after that come Q1 2017; we hope to see a significant rebound and in additions to the margins from that particular segment of the business.

Jacob Lundberg

Analyst

All right. Great. Thanks guys. And then a follow-up on the on CS Neptune in Gulf of Mexico. I’m just trying to understand potentially a sequential decline in revenues in the fourth quarter. So in the press release, you note that you have a project starting in the fourth quarter. So is it fair to assume that you'll have in terms of just CS Neptune in the Gulf of Mexico, a sequential decline in revenues in the fourth quarter from the third quarter. And if that's the case, could we get any sense for the magnitude of the divine?

Elijio Serrano

Analyst

In the fourth quarter that next projects starts on time, we should not see any revenue or margin deterioration. The only issue with that that it also affecting our free cash flow guidance is that it is pushing towards the end of the year. We had expected to start this project earlier in December that are some operations related issues with the well that are pushing the timing of the project towards the mid to end of December. And that is the only thing that to be honestly we do not control and if that starts on time than there will not be any margin deterioration or any revenue deterioration, but if it pushes towards the end of December then that project will be partially invoiced in Q4 and the rest of it will invoiced in Q1. So it’s not a matter of completing the well, it’s the matter of wells [12/31 plan to 2016 to be honest].

Jacob Lundberg

Analyst

All right. Very helpful. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

And our next question today comes from Stephen Gengaro of Loop Capital. Please go ahead.

Stephen Gengaro

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, gentlemen. Two things, one just back to follow-ups if you don't mind when we think about the sequential improvement in operating income or pretax income? Can you help provide us maybe a little more color on how much of that was driven by the Gulf versus the land side?

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Yes. I think directionally both were a component typically the lumpiness of some of the offshore’s largest, so that's a bigger component both contributed to the third quarter.

Stephen Gengaro

Analyst

If you look at the land side of the business alone are the incrementals north of 30 or not?

Joseph Elkhoury

Analyst

Yes. They're definitely north of 30. We bubbled our revenues quarter-on-quarter from land fluid related activities.

Stephen Gengaro

Analyst

Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you. And then, when we look at the production testing side is and we sort of think about 2017 or 4Q and then into 2017, how correlated would you expect to be with North American rig count?

Joseph Elkhoury

Analyst

In the short-term I would say that the pricing is the largest factor in that particular division. We don't have exactly that same differentiation. We have been able to introduce successfully on the fluid side. So we continue to suffer from pricing pressure due to all the supply in the land market. Everybody is trying to offer frac flowback services. So in order for us in maintain, retain and grow our market share we have to give extreme price utilization and see it in some of the margins and Q3 over Q2, but we hope to continue to gain quality customers as we move into the fourth quarter, but we don’t see any price improvement until mid to late 2017 for that particular division. That’s domestic.

Stephen Gengaro

Analyst

Okay. Great and then just one final if you don't mind. Just to clarify when you talk about the cash flow and sort of the delays that were encountered in collections? Is that because of project delays and timing of the work being done? That just got delayed for - just because the customer doesn't wanted it to or was that because the customers actually delayed payment on completed work.

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

You've got a little bit of both. I mean the biggest part of it is the customer operational delays, unplanned things happen. And then when you get that give us some of the lumpiness, some of those delays as the work is completed during the quarter, in the third quarter as well as most likely in the fourth quarter. You see that timing of the receipt move into the subsequent quarter. And in general, as you see in the press release our collection period increase during the third quarter like you’ve seen many other companies where we just have some customers that have chosen to push the payment into the beginning of the following quarter.

Stephen Gengaro

Analyst

Okay. Very good. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question today comes from Marc Bianchi of Cowen. Please go ahead.

Marc Bianchi

Analyst

Thank you. Maybe focusing back on the Fluids business, you mentioned that this additional Neptune project in the fourth quarter, is that the – they suggest Neptune well, do I have that right?

Joseph Elkhoury

Analyst

So just to – you remember that in early in the year we mentioned and you missed some of our guidance due to having one dry well in the Gulf of Mexico. So if you come back as well then the next the slide will be well number five correct.

Marc Bianchi

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Joseph. And still on fluids but unrelated to that. If I look at the outlook for 2017 for fluids, it sounds like it's going to be down for the year compared to 2016 on a revenue basis. Is it reasonable that EBITDA could be flat or perhaps up with 2016 in fluids? Is there anything underlying there, I'm thinking if North America land is improving and there's 30 plus incrementals on that perhaps there's a chance that EBITDA could actually be better while revenues going down.

Joseph Elkhoury

Analyst

I wouldn't go that far at this stage it depends on the size of rebound, it depends on the commodity price and the willingness of our customers to spend budget. Few of our customers have increased their budgets moving into 2017 and we see good sign this year. But I wouldn’t bet on improving margins year-on-year at this stage. Now we have modeled how much of the weakness in the Gulf of Mexico and related margins, we will be able to offset and then accurately as we feel comfortable with our plan for 2017 but it assumes many things like the rig count activity increased completions activity particularly in the Permian Basin and MidCon areas, the Rockies and Appalachia and started recovery in kind of those as well. If you take all that we hope to be able to offset some of these gaps in the offshore activity, but at the stage I wouldn’t be able to confirm or state that we will be able to compensate for all of that weakness in the deepwater.

Marc Bianchi

Analyst

Sure. I understand there's a lot of variables maybe just thinking about it on a sequential basis. If you hold flat year in the fourth quarter in fluids EBITDA, can you help us understand the step down if Neptune goes away just because of you know there's a little bit of a gap in some projects. Is it something perhaps that wouldn’t below second quarter 2016 or is there anyway you can give us some kind of a guidepost there to…

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

I think Marc it’s awful early to kind try to be that precise for next year. We'll have a much better handle on that when we reconvene early in the year. I think at this stage, the way I would think about it as Joseph summarized positive trends on offshore. The overall activity offshore down and we do have some visibility on Neptune projects next year that hopefully will come in exact timing if it’s still unclear. We still need to get through the end of this year, see budgets, see what happens in the meetings in the next few weeks and then we'll come back and give a little bit more granular on that.

Joseph Elkhoury

Analyst

But I wouldn’t model anything that it’s worth than Q2 or Q1 for the Fluids Division with regards to expected margins.

Marc Bianchi

Analyst

Okay. Thanks Joseph. And maybe one more for Elijio, looking at a fourth quarter here where you're going to continue to do well in fluids, but you're going to roll-off a pretty good EBITDA quarter from fourth quarter 2015. If the free cash flow doesn’t come in at the range of guidance. It seems to me like you might be close to that four times covenant if that’s the case in your modeling, can you help us sort of think through the contingencies there for dealing with that if it becomes something you need to do?

Elijio Serrano

Analyst

Marc, we’ve got a couple of items working in our favor as we move towards the end of this year and early next year. We had a challenge in start to Q1 of this year and had an EBITDA loss. We don’t expect that we’ll have the same kind of EBITDA loss in Q1 that we had in 2016, so that will work in our favor. Then you’ve seen AR build up as revenue has pushed out into Q3 into Q4 then we will start monetizing that Q4 and Q1. So we think that the combination of better free cash flow and then rolling into better Q1 margins that we are okay in covenants for this year.

Marc Bianchi

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for that. I'll turn it back.

Operator

Operator

And our next question today comes from Martin Malloy of Johnson Rice. Please go ahead.

Martin Malloy

Analyst

Good morning.

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Good morning.

Martin Malloy

Analyst

On the Neptune product, are there any opportunities where you could see this used in other basins outside the Gulf of Mexico?

Joseph Elkhoury

Analyst

Yes. So like we mentioned earlier in the year in previous earnings calls we had a very credible opportunity in the middle of 2016 that didn't happen because our customer elected to assume operational risk when we were bottoming out on commodity prices under 30 and focused on from that particular customer on cash flow for dividend purposes. Moving into 2017, we believe that we have more than a couple of credible opportunities to expand beyond where we are today with a single customer. We expect Q1 to continue and go back to complete what we in Q3 partially addressed with our customers. So there’s been more work on well number three that we addressed in Q3. And there are few credible opportunities, one again in the Gulf of Mexico in particular, one in the Middle East that we feel confident that it's going to happen somewhere in the middle of the third quarter of 2017 and another one that we're working on provided we can have logistically the solution for the North Sea delivery process if the customer elects to use that particular product for their well. So that gives you an idea about some credible. Of Course, we're trying to expand the envelope of the application as well. We're not putting that in any 2017 plan or budgets due to the weakness in the overall spend from a deepwater activity perspective, if the commodity prices were to rebound towards November 30. And our customer see that deepwater activity maybe accretive for them and they go back to starting operation or more development projects, there's definitely a wider application for that product when the activity recovers in deepwater.

Martin Malloy

Analyst

Okay. And then on water recycling and the customers you've talked about there are some new high quality customers for that product line. Are these existing customers of TETRA that you're bringing in this additional service to provide?

Joseph Elkhoury

Analyst

Yes. I mean we focused on – in the last two years, let me take you back to the last two years. In the last two years, we have diversified our customer base towards high quality names. Names that are working in premium basins like the Permian Basin, and the scoop and stack in the MidContinent area. And we have tried to focus on customers that will also pay us on-time and have very low risk of getting out of business and not being able to meet their demands. So for us, we continue to retain those quality customers. We promised and delivered on an incident free service, both on service delivery and HSE quality and safety. And the quality names that I mentioned our customers that are today are our customers where we may not have a holistic solution to water recycling, but they are considering replicating some of the stuff that we have sold to others when it comes to the produced water recycling and water treatment solution.

Martin Malloy

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Kurt Hallead of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Kurt Hallead

Analyst

Hey, good morning.

Joseph Elkhoury

Analyst

Good morning.

Kurt Hallead

Analyst

I was wondering if – give some additional color on the TETRA standalone leverage ratio in the third quarter.

Elijio Serrano

Analyst

Kurt. The Q3 leverage ratio will be slightly above 3.6.

Kurt Hallead

Analyst

3.6 in Q3?

Elijio Serrano

Analyst

Yes. Slightly above it.

Kurt Hallead

Analyst

Okay, great. And then with respect to the revised free cash flow you guys given some additional color around elements of it going forward. Would you expect to be able to get back to that free cash flow level over the next couple of quarters or is that really not – that can be impossible to happen at this point?

Elijio Serrano

Analyst

Now the big opportunity we have is that as revenue starts to peak in Q4 when historically it has started to drop-off in Q4 we have an ability to monetize that AR. So we believe that we will start collecting some of the Q3 revenue that peaked in Q4 and then we will have the opportunity to collect that also in Q1 as it peaks in Q4. I would say that we’ve seen a shift in cost revenues continue to increase all those collections into Q4 and Q1.

Joseph Elkhoury

Analyst

And like we directed before with regards to the backlog from operations perspective, so cash from operations is suppose to be better than the first half of 2016 moving into the year-end and moving in the first part Q1 and early Q2 of 2017 as well.

Kurt Hallead

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for that. And then you provided some very good color on the outlook for fluids going out in 2017 and I was hoping that you can walk us through your viewpoints on production testing and offshore. Maybe a high level like you did with fluid, so revenues up or down 2017 versus 2016?

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Yes. But I think if you look at Offshore Services hard to expect a worse year next year activity, but we haven't seen any catalyst for our customer spending yet I think there's a lot of that tied to where the industry comes out on the bonding NTL. So we've kind of cut cost, retrenched a little bit made certain that will be around breakeven free cash flow that even further reduced activity, but able to respond very quickly if we see an uplift there, so I would say that looks probably similar to this year. And then on the testing as Joseph said kind of activity picking up a lot of available capacity out there, pricing still very sticky and the opportunity to try to differentiate some of the larger customers. It's probably a little bit tougher challenge than where we have differentiation on the water and fluid side, but that the focus is kind of leverage those common customers internationally. As we've said previously some of the international markets particularly Saudi there's been a lot of challenges in the just pricing level in the market. We think our activity will pick up and testing internationally and the challenge will be to pick our spots where we have an opportunity to get some price. So we would expect to see overall positive trends next year maybe not as much as we see in North America water though and fluids.

Kurt Hallead

Analyst

Okay. Great. Appreciate that color.

Operator

Operator

And our next question today comes from John Watson of Simmons & Company. Please go ahead.

John Watson

Analyst

Good morning. Joseph touched on this briefly, but could you elaborate on the pricing pressure within frac flowback and maybe when you first see improving activity leading to more favorable oil pricing?

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Sure. Joseph, continue that dialogue.

Joseph Elkhoury

Analyst

Yes. So similar to modeling for overall fracking. What is happening is that capacity has not completely have been removed from the market so for services companies to really be paying some of the market share for us, but I would call it not very much differentiated service, you still have to give price concession now our EBITDA margins and no way compared to the negative EBITDA the margins on track, so we have been able to retain quality customers. In some cases some of our customers have quizzed us on what would it take for you to be EBITDA neutral, so we are working with some customers domestically to make sure that we are on EBITDA neutral. In that whole mechanism what we're also trying to do is make sure that in every 30-day period we're running the volume price – model if you will so that we can dictate how much price concessions we can gave. In some particular basins domestically we have elected not to do or conduct any business and relocated some of our equipment to say the Permian to go after quality names and volumes of completions activity. That’s really been the problem. We do not want to make or achieve or go after more revenue and lose more money. That’s not the objective; the objective is to compensate for the price concession by loading our equipment and utility base in a 30-day period rather than over the quarter itself. So that's how we plan to continue to drive towards the EBITDA neutral in the short-term and try to use the volume to start seeing EBITDA positive margins for that frac flowback domestically. Internationally, we have seen signs of pricing stabilizing a little bit, but we continue to go after quality projects where we're not just doing a frac flowback, but we are doing production testing and well testing in some particular cases. We have a couple of big large opportunities and if they were to happen if that depends on the award, but if they were to happen we would see the visible improvement in 2017 over 2016 from an international production testing margins perspective.

John Watson

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. Within frac flowback it still a spot market at the moment do you see a shift to maybe a term contract with a concrete price in the near term?

Joseph Elkhoury

Analyst

We have some customers where we have longer-term contracts about six months, one-year where they are starting to lock pricing so that they control pricing erosion moving into higher commodity price maybe higher volume where they may think that capacity will be coming to equilibrium, but most of it I would 80% to 85% is spot market pricing, yes.

John Watson

Analyst

Great. Thanks guys. I'll turn it back. End of Q&A

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Brightman for any following remarks.

Stuart Brightman

Analyst

Well, thank you very much. Great questions as always and we'll look forward in February to updating everyone on the year-end conclusions and our views on 2017. So thanks again.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. And we thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines. And have a wonderful day.