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The Toro Company (TTC)

Q4 2008 Earnings Call· Tue, Dec 9, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Toro Company Fourth Quarter and Year End Results Conference Call. My name is [Kennisha] and I will be your coordinator for today. (Operator Instructions). I would now like to turn the presentation over to your host for today’s conference Mr. Michael J. Hoffman, Chairman and CEO of The Toro Company.

Michael Hoffman

Management

Good morning ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and year end earnings conference call. Here with me this morning are Steve Wolfe our Chief Financial Officer; Tom Larson, Treasurer; John Wright, our Director of Investor Relations. Here in the Twin Cities we woke up to a nice white blanket of snow today. This was a great opportunity for our customers and the Toro team to use our snow throwers and I can say they worked well. These are the most innovative snow throwers in the industry and they keep getting just better and better. With that let’s begin with our forward-looking statement policy. Please keep in mind that during the call we will make certain forward-looking statements which are intended to assist you in understanding the company’s results. You are all aware of the inherent difficulties, risks, and uncertainties in making predictive statements, so the Safe Harbor portion of the company’s earnings release, as well as SEC filings, detail some of the important risk factors that may cause actual results to differ from those in our predictions. Our earnings release was issued this morning by Business Wire and can also be found in the investor information section of our corporate web site, thetorocompany.com. Before we get to the results for our fourth quarter and fiscal year ended October 31, 2008, I would like to take a few minutes to reflect on the year. Looking back, these past 12 months were accentuated by difficult economic conditions, primarily here in the US that impacted many of our customers and our company. Professional landscapers and irrigation contractors struggled with the on going weakness in the housing sector. Consumers are squeezed in many directions and turned cautious in their spending and new golf course development in the…

Stephen Wolfe

Management

Starting with the professional segment, worldwide sales for the year increased slightly over fiscal 2007 to $1,000,000, 283.1 million. While domestic professional sales experienced considerable pressure due to ongoing economic weakness, international demand remains strong across most professional categories. Within the golf market international demand remained healthy for turf maintenance equipment and precision irrigation systems as new golf projects continued to break ground around the world. In addition, our professional segment benefited from the successful launch of several innovative products. These include the 16-foot Toro Groundsmaster® 5900 series rotary mower, which delivers unmatched productivity and value; the Toro TRX walk-behind track trencher, which provides us an entry into an entirely new product category; and the Toro Workman MD series utility vehicles affording customers improved ride quality and comfort. On another positive note, micro-irrigation continues to be an area of growth with strong sales in Europe and Australia along with healthy orders in North America for our new Aqua-Traxx PBX line of Premium Drip Tape. We were also glad to see incremental sales from our recent acquisitions of Rain Master and Turf Guard. These gains were some what offset by significant declines in professionally installed residential and commercial irrigation systems largely due to poor weather conditions, along with a slight decline in landscape contractor equipment shipments as a result of shared efforts with our channel to reduce field inventory. For the fourth quarter net sales in the professional segment were down 4.5% to $208.4 million. Net earnings in the professional segment for fiscal 2008 were $234.8 million down 7.6% from the previous year. The decline was largely due to rising raw material and freight costs and lower production volumes. For the fourth quarter professional segment earnings declined $12.1 million over the prior period to $14.6 million. In the residential segment economic…

Michael Hoffman

Management

Thank you, Steve. Now let me direct my comments to our outlook for fiscal 2009. We expect the market conditions we experienced in 2008 to continue in the coming year with many uncertainties and challenges. In particular, we anticipate softer retail demand as buying behavior becomes increasingly cautious, and the effect of currency that helped our international business in years past will likely hurt us in fiscal 2009. ] In the area of gross margin, which has been under some pressure from commodities, we could see some relief later in the year if commodities continue to track downward. As always, we will work diligently to manage these costs in the year ahead. As mentioned before, several efforts taken in fiscal 2008 will benefit us well going forward. First, our cash position is strong, coupled with our committed credit facilities. We have a very solid footing at a time when financial markets remain tight. Second, in close alignment with our channel partners, we are aggressively managing inventory levels. Third, we have embraced an attitude of rigorous cost containment and are taking actions to reduce our cost structure. We are scrutinizing proposed expenditures, making wise long-term investments, and driving Lean initiatives that will yield cost savings and improved efficiencies. In fiscal 2008 we conducted more than 200 [kisanes] in our manufacturing plants, yielding savings of greater than $2 million and we achieved more than $7 million in material savings through Lean efforts with our suppliers and we will continue to look at the organization structure in light of these conditions. Fourth, we are making measurable progress in reducing our working capital. While there is much work ahead of us, we expect continue improvement in accounts receivable, net inventories, and trade payables. These efforts will free up cash for other strategic purposes and…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Jim Lucas from Janney Montgomery Scott.

Jim Lucas - Janney Montgomery Scott

Analyst

I have a couple of house keeping questions before I dive into the big picture. The FX benefit in the fourth quarter, could you help us out there Steve?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

From a top line standpoint, I think it was about one million seven. We are used to giving you these in dollars, so a pick up in dollars for the quarter of a million seven, it was high 20’s for the full year, $28 million.

Jim Lucas - Janney Montgomery Scott

Analyst

On the gross margin you mentioned the tooling write off. When you look at that gross margin contraction of 500 basis points and you look at the major buckets of the tooling write off, commodities, lower production volumes, without giving specifics of hard numbers can you rank order what the biggest impact on the gross margin erosion was?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

By order of impact, the largest by far would be commodities. That was the biggest piece. Followed by the tooling write off that we talked about and then that’s about the same size as the mix issue where we had more residential sales than professional sales where the margins are not as great. So those are the three main things that covers the bulk of that. Commodities would be the biggest, tooling and mix would be about the same.

Jim Lucas - Janney Montgomery Scott

Analyst

With regards to commodities, you know we are all seeing a number of your major input costs coming down. How quickly is that read through for you? One of the issues that you had in ’08 had to do with the residential business not necessarily being able to pass along price increases. Do you feel you had the product line reset enough to account for where commodity prices are today?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

Yes if you can tell me where they are going. I mean the issue is where our commodity price is going. We told you at our third quarter call that we knew we were going to have heavier back end commodity costs and we did in the third quarter and we did in the fourth quarter. I think it was about $15 million incrementally more over the prior year in each of those quarters. What happened is that we saw the increase in commodity costs and we lagged that in our costs. We saw it on the back half of the year. We didn’t get much down side in the front part of the year; we got it all in the backside of the year. As those commodities now are hopefully starting to go the other way, I am particularly talking about steel which is one of our main commodities; we will see the benefit of that lag too. We will probably see first in the second quarter still have some commodities pressure and if in fact the prices stay where they are at we will see some benefit of that in the third and the fourth quarters.

Jim Lucas - Janney Montgomery Scott

Analyst

From a CapEx and D&A, where do you see that for ’09?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

Very similar to last year which would be upper 40’s in both 48, 49, both in CapEx and in deprecation and amortization.

Jim Lucas - Janney Montgomery Scott

Analyst

Of that CapEx how much of that is maintenance versus growth? I am trying to just understand where you are investing the dollars today and how much of that could be ratcheted down.

Michael Hoffman

Management

A significant part of that is for new products, so I characterize that as growth driven. In fact I would guess the majority of our CapEx spending is in that area.

Jim Lucas - Janney Montgomery Scott

Analyst

The work that’s been done on the balance sheets is very noticeable. There is clearly a lot of opportunity, especially on the payables side in particular, but when you look at the inventory receivables you are generating a lot of cash still even in these uncertain times. When you look at it from a capital allocations standpoint can you remind us how much you have left under the current share repurchase authorization? And when you are looking at acquisitions are they more of the Southern Green type acquisitions or is there anything of particular size out there that is on the radar screen?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

The share question is we have still got over two million shares remaining on the four million authorization we got, it was in May, I think. So, we have still got plenty of room there in terms of share authorization.

Michael Hoffman

Management

Jim, regarding what are we looking at, very consistent with what we have said in the past, we look across the full spectrum from large enterprise shaping acquisitions to the smaller bolt on ones to technology plays. Not surprisingly the division extending ones, or the bolt on ones, there tend to be more of them like Southern Green or last year with Rain Master(R). Last year we did the technology one with Turf Guard (TM) and we have got a team of people that are constantly looking at, again, the full spectrum of possibilities.

Jim Lucas - Janney Montgomery Scott

Analyst

As you were kind of rolling the plan together and you are setting the initial guidance to the outside world, sales down 5% and if we just take the low end of that range and say 250, when you are looking at how uncertain it is out there what would it take to have it be less than 250 next year?

Michael Hoffman

Management

Needless to say, I think one thing we will all agree on is that it is uncertain, more uncertain than it has been at any time in the recent past at this time of the year and so one of the things we have to be doing is a lot of scenario planning. Probably more heavily weighted to the downside. As we looked at putting our guidance together and where we think we are going to end up, we know there are some serious headwinds on the overall demand and some softening in the international market currency certainly has been a contributor. Not as much, perhaps, as you might think, because of our hedging practice which will also help us this year on the other side of that. Working for us we have got some price in place. We have more new products. Again, this year we will be, based on our plan, at a record level of new products across our residential and professional businesses and that will help us. That will help bridge the softness and we would hope that the markets down ten, we can take some share and that will keep our revenues propped up. Our inventory position in the field is in very good shape, the best shape it has been in a number of years in the past. That will help us as well. Then the last kind of wildcard always is in this business it is mother nature. As you know we came off of a spring last year that we wouldn’t characterize as being a good one and while we are not going to count on extraordinarily good weather to drive our business, reasonable weather can drive our business. An example of this would be as we went through the fall period with Lock Power mowers, which is kind of a consumer demand business, our comps year-over-year from the late summer/fall versus last year were up in clearly a much worse economic environment. The reason why was because mother nature cooperated a bit more and kept the grass growing and people were replacing their product more frequently. Not everyone, but many of them. If the weather is even what I will call normal as we head into the spring, that could help us comp more favorably. So there are a lot of puts and takes, but we understand the point. It depends on how deep and how long this recessionary environment lasts.

Jim Lucas - Janney Montgomery Scott

Analyst

Thank you. Understanding the thought process is very helpful and enjoy the snow.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Jim Barrett from C.L. King & Associates, Inc. Jim Barrett - C.L. King & Associates, Inc. : Mike, could you discuss in general terms what the impact of the credit crisis has been on your distributors securing credit, your dealers securing credit, the commercial landscaper also having availability of credit?

Michael Hoffman

Management

Well I could do that, Jim, but I could even do it better if I turn the question over to Steve.

Stephen Wolfe

Management

That is a good question and we are obviously seeing a lot of that in the paper these days on what’s going on. Let me start with where Toro is as a company, because I think it is important even for our dealers and our distributors that their banks know that they are dealing with a company that is going to be around. As I mentioned in my formal remarks, we ended the year, obviously our seasonal down period, with $100 million in the bank and we have got a group of six banks that we feel very good about. Ones we are not reading negatively about in the paper. We think from a Toro standpoint we have got a very good liquidity position and that is going to serve us well as we go forward. When you go to the next step, which it would be Toro distributors, there are a couple of ways they get financing. One is through our own credit company where we do our floor planning; we control that. Obviously, as long as we can get funded that is not an issue. They also have bank lines of their own that they do independently. That is a bigger issue and we have been in touch with our distributors at a meeting that we had a few weeks ago telling them to stay in touch with your banks, make sure you have back up banks. We have not seen any major issues with any of our distributors in terms of those banking relationships. Maybe the place where we have seen the biggest change or tightening is in the retail end of things where that is farmed out through a third party; we don’t do that ourselves. They have certainly, like I think most retail financing companies…

Stephen Wolfe

Management

We are predominantly an exporter. When you look at our business overall the bulk of that is exported. When we look at, I guess just to go into the dollar piece of it for a minute, when you think about it 32% of our business this year ended up international, kind of as a benchmark. Only about half of that is billed in non-US denominated currencies, so half of it is euro and Australian dollar and the other currencies that we are involved in, and we have some businesses that use some of those dollars, so you don’t need to convert all of those dollars back. When you do your exchange piece of it we always at the beginning of the year, just like we did before fiscal ’09, do some hedging of that currency prior to the getting into the year and ’08 was a good example. As the dollar continued to weaken that helped us overall, but we had put some hedges in place earlier on before it weakened all the way which ended up hurting us in ’08. We will get just that opposite effect in ’09. The point is by looking at the spot rate and looking at where things are today versus where they were yesterday last year is not a good indication of what’s going to happen to the dollar, because we have hedged in between there and taken some of that risk away. That is kind of a long-winded answer to your question, but we are constantly looking at that hedging. We will get hedged up to 75% or 80% as we get into the year, but those hedges we put on early in the year either may benefit us or may hurt us, depending on if the dollar strengthens or weakens. Jim Barrett - C.L. King & Associates, Inc. : Just to clarify, you are selling the products in the local currency and your hedges hopefully offset the volatility of the dollar, is that essentially what you are saying?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

You don’t offset at all, but it gives you some offset. What I said was half of our international business is in local currency and what I was saying was we do have some costs, some people costs that we incur that we can use, for instance the euros. That is a built in hedge against the conversions.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Sam Darkatsh from Raymond James. Jeff – Raymond James: This is actually Jeff calling for Sam. My first question and I apologize if you already gave this, but what was the impact of the tooling write down in the quarter?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

We didn’t quantify the dollars. What we said was that the biggest impact on the quarter was commodities and that was probably twice the amount of the tooling write off. Jeff – Raymond James: Next question and I’m sorry to pile on the currency topic, but I think it could have a pretty big impact this year. Can you give us the EBIT impact of currency for fiscal 2008?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

No I can’t. Jeff – Raymond James: Okay, because that would help us kind of back into what your effective hedges were.

Stephen Wolfe

Management

Yes, we don’t have that information with us. Jeff – Raymond James: All right then, moving on. Your guidance, you are assuming the down 5% in terms of sales. Can you break price out of that and talk about your expected relationship in ’09 between realized pricing and raw materials, assuming materials stay where they are at now?

Michael Hoffman

Management

Yes, kind of in broad strokes if you will, the unit decline is largely that, the price slightly more than offsets currency. So when we said about five, the fact is we are not trying to be precise and say five, it could be a couple points either side of that as the season starts to unfold, but we do expect a real unit decline across the business. Jeff – Raymond James: Okay and is that your forecast for the industry or are you assuming some market share gains in there?

Michael Hoffman

Management

Well there are a lot of different industries within that and again, as I commented earlier, much of the consumer side of it will depend on Mother Nature, that could be 5% to 10 % down, but we would expect to take some share there with our new offering. I don’t think there is a category that we are looking at that we wouldn’t expect to hold or improve our share position. Jeff – Raymond James: Next question, in terms of margin next year can you talk about where, aside from leverage on any volume movements or anything like that, can you talk about the savings you expect to see either from the workforce rationalization you just announced or additional Lean savings? I know you’ve talked about Lean in terms of working capital rationalization, but is there anything left there in terms of additional margin impact for T&L?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

As time goes on that gets tougher and tougher, but that is obviously an area that with our Grow Lean initiatives we will still be focusing on. The last few years told you we have gotten somewhere in the area of $7-$8 million out of our Grow Lean initiatives. We would be looking to try and do that same thing again next year, along with the Head Count initiative that we have taken; so you put the two of those together and you should get upwards of the $10 million range or something in that area, depending on what happens to commodities. There are a lot of ifs in that. It is what can you control and what you can’t control. We can’t control the commodity costs; we can’t control the currency impact, but all things equal we would look for savings in those areas.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Eric Bosshard - Cleveland Research Company. Mark – Cleveland Research Company : Good morning, this is Mark stepping in for Eric. First, in terms of the professional segment there is a lot of pressure on profits here in the fourth quarter, can you explain away the big profit shortfall was it the tooling? Then how should we think about profits in the professional segment going forward and maybe in addition to that what are you seeing on the pricing side from some of your peers within the professional end markets?

Michael Hoffman

Management

Well I would sum it up to two things and that would be certainly the commodity pressure we talked about and then mix within the segment was a factor as well and so that can maybe paint a picture that it is more of an issue than it is. Mark – Cleveland Research Company : Then that explains the big shortfall within 4Q in professional in both commodity and mix?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

In the professional side it was commodities and freight and material costs, the things that we have talked about all along, coupled with the fact it’s a small quarter. It is either our smallest or our smallest quarter. Mark – Cleveland Research Company : Are you seeing anything different from your peers in the professional segment given the continued difficult end market environments, anything to suggest more aggressive peers which could be playing into the shrinking profits?

Michael Hoffman

Management

Well it’s a small group of competitors. We talk about the golf market; it’s the same group that we see all the time. Everybody’s very competitive prior to this economic turn down and now with the conditions we are in everybody’s scrapping for every deal like we always have. I would say from time to time you are going to win won and you are going to lose one. Maybe you wished you hadn’t, but you are going to get one on the other side that you hadn’t expected; so I don’t think there is anything dramatically different other than the competitive level will continue to be at a high level just because everyone is looking for every deal they can possibly get. Mark – Cleveland Research Company: Can you break out how much of your sales in 2008 were contributed through price? I know you kind of commented 2009 you expect price to offset currency, but can you talk about how that broke itself out in 2008?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

It’s roughly two to three we would say. Mark – Cleveland Research Company : Three points of price in the flat sales?

Michael Hoffman

Management

Yes. Mark – Cleveland Research Company : My last question is, the 1Q guidance down 60%, how should we be thinking about that specifically? 1Q down 60%, but the full year down closer to 15% to 20%. Is this a reflection at all in what you are seeing in terms of pre-buy? Obviously I appreciate it is a small quarter, but you did mention a lot of the new products will be shipping in the first quarter; so if you can kind of walk me through some additional color on why the 1Q guidance is incrementally soft versus the rest of the year?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

I would start with; first of all remember last years first quarter was big. It was 7% increase, so you have got a comp that’s higher. The other piece of this is that we do think there will be some top line pressure in the first quarter, just as people have gotten more cautious in terms of how much inventory they will hold and how much inventory that they want to take until they get closer to the season. Some of this is all producing and selling closer to retail. We just think there is going to be a more conservative point of view from the customers; so we have taken the position that we are going to start with a lower number in the first quarter.

Michael Hoffman

Management

You would add to that, Mark that we are going to work very hard to get the commodity situation turned around, but that is going to be there in the short-term to some degree.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from James Bank from Sidoti & Company. James Bank - Sidoti & Company: There has been a lot covered and I am sorry if these questions have already been asked or covered in your prepared remarks. Depreciation, amortization, why was it so high in the fourth quarter?

Stephen Wolfe

Management

The numbers that I gave you for depreciation and amortization were for the full year. James Bank - Sidoti & Company: That means it was $16 million in the fourth quarter, just considerably more than the past three quarters in the year, then also year-over-year.

Stephen Wolfe

Management

Yes, it was the tooling write off. James Bank - Sidoti & Company: In the first quarter guidance I am just a little bit confused. I guess and maybe I don’t fully understand the selling and the re-order. With the success you are seeing with your snow thrower sales right now, we’re seeing sort of a pull into the fourth quarter and that might affect the first quarter, because I guess with the back drop that you had given I would have suggested a little bit more of a better first quarter heading into next year. What am I missing?

Michael Hoffman

Management

Well again, the year-over-year we had a very strong first quarter with snow last year; so we have actually pulled some of that into the fourth quarter of 2008 and now we are into the season for 2009, if you will, and we are starting to see some snowfall. Whether it will be as good as last year remains a question. Supplies will be somewhat limited there, but just to comp that part against last year is a relatively bigger number. Then we just are looking at, the larger part of that is spring goods and how that will flow into the channel. We said we will manage that a little closer in partnership with the channel. Then last, there will be some commodity pressure on gross margin in the first quarter before we can kind of recover and get that back. James Bank - Sidoti & Company: Right and now I don’t think anyone asked this. As we enter Grow Leans final year in 2009 any thoughts on a successor?

Michael Hoffman

Management

We are very focused on finishing up Grow Lean in a positive way. It has been a very difficult two years. Some good things happened, but there were lots of external challenges, to say the least and so we will talk more about a successor down the line with you. Thank you for the question. You are the first one that’s asked that. James Bank - Sidoti & Company: Oh good, but we would be able to assume another potential three-year program than, whatever it might be?

Michael Hoffman

Management

We will be talking about that and figure out how to best motivate the organization to driving results and more shareholder value.

Operator

Operator

At this time there are no questions in queue. Mr. Michael Hoffman, please proceed with closing remarks.

Michael Hoffman

Management

Thank you, all of you, for your questions and your interest in The Toro Company. We do appreciate your confidence and trust and we look forward to talking with you again in late February as we discuss our first quarter results. Thank you and have a great day.