RussellEllwanger
Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead
Good questions, Mark. The answer to the first question is the contracts that we have really are very dependent upon the customers and the type of business we're doing within the power discrete. Our customers are, for the most part held to a forecast very closely. That doesn't mean that we don't give a lot of leeway, it's partnerships and within what we do with those discrete, it's more or less source everything that we sell. So the ability then to be malleable, if someone's demand is really down and to hold them to a previous forecast, nominally that doesn't help either person if they don't need the wafers. So you work out a deal and you try to come up with something that's a win, win for both people. In the case of our standard foundry business, from the moment that we start wafers, customers must take the wafers or at least take them to an inventory point of when they say stop the wafers. So, once away first started in the fab are normal Ts and Cs is that obviously if a customer wishes to cancel something, they can. But they would take it to the inventory point of when they would cancel it, which for the most part doesn't make much sense for a customer. Now, depending on the customer themselves, the Ts and Cs can vary as to if they want to put some on hold, how long can it be on hold for before they either have to pay to that inventory point or until the wafers have to be completed through the line. But again, that depends on the customer, the Ts and Cs relationship and the amount of business but that's predominantly how the Ts and Cs would set about customer on giving a purchase order. For the most part a purchase order can be cancelled before the wafers are started without any liability. So that was that part now as far as our customer visibility. At this point, especially in the mobile sector, we have -- not to special there. I think across the board, we have very good interactions and very candid updates, forecasting, that's very accurate with our customers. And it's rare that a forecast change drastically within a four- or five-month period. What our mobile customers are telling us now and it's not a fact of us not having visibility with them, it's them having less visibility on their customers than they've had in the past. And that's where we stated that we're cautious about the mobile side in the short-term, because our customers really are not stating the same decrees of visibility that they had in the past. I don't think that that's really the case with other customers for the most part. As stated, one of Raj's questions was on the organic growth. So we've stated very clearly that and it's known in the industry that the power discrete from offsets are down pretty substantially and it's starting to come back but it's down substantially and so that businesses down several tens of millions. We are working with them when there are upside capabilities. And when they see that they might ask for a short lead time. And it's to the benefit because they have an upside of some certain skew of some certain amount of wafers that will go ahead and will take. So, I believe, anytime especially in weaker markets, customers would soon as they have an opportunity, they get very excited to do that opportunity. And to be able to at any given time, start wafers, and expedite well below the normal cycle times that you have in the factory. It only enhances the relationship because it's many times if there is an immediate need that they need to pull in for. If they don't supply that business is either lost because the opportunity to the end customer is gone. Or the end customer might try to buy from someone else. So, anytime that we get an urgent upside request, we'll go after to the strongly as we can. Now, that is not necessarily in times when the market is weak. In times when the market is very strong, it's the same type of thing. In fact, I would say maybe when times when the market is strong, there's more upside requests, because the end customer or integrator, if you will, has an opportunity that they don't see how they can get fulfilled because everyone's supply chain is full. And those are where you sometimes get very, very big upsides if you can somehow pull off either a substantial amount of pull-ins or start wafers and ship them well under the normal lead time and cycle times of the factory. So, I think is it steady state, it's sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less. The only thing that we're seeing right now that I'm going back to the first question on POS and visibility, our customers in the mobile space are saying that they have less visibility. But we have seen a very, very big reduction in the forecast of the image sensors for dental X-ray. And that's one of the areas where it's very, very nice that other than the power discrete and this predominant portion of the image sensor business, as well as if we look at some industrial sensors for manufacturing lines. But even with that the CIS businesses single digit up this year or should be according to present forecast, which shows growth in other markets other than that. But when you talk about organic growth, if you have certain markets where you have a fallout of because of the environment of the, many tens of millions of dollars in order to have a 5% organic growth that we're talking about, you have to a very, very big market show-ins and other areas, because they obviously have to first make up for the gap of the segments that are down. And then themselves, a 5% number is a nice percent number of growths. If everything was as per normalcy, and the X-ray was where it has been in the dental X-rays, I'm sorry, dental X-rays and discrete where they have been the organic growth would be extremely high. But that it is what it is. And we're very fortunate. I think that we are very diverse in our end markets, that we're not restricted to any single market. And that even in the markets that are pulling back a big market that we serve, such as the mobile that our market share growth is big enough that we see this 15-point increase year-over-year versus the 20 point down that the analysts speak of. Hopefully that answered your questions. I tried to give a thorough answer.