Todd Cello
Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
Good morning, Andrew. This is Todd. I'll take that question. Let's answer it specifically from financial services excluding mortgage, right? And the trajectory that we're seeing. So as you saw in the third quarter, we grew 4% on that basis, which was a bit better than the low-single-digit expectations that we had. As you just heard Chris say, volumes, they're stable, but they're still muted. So you look at that in -- at more of a flattish perspective. And when you look at the comparables to the prior year, needless to say, it's important to look that we're lapping the slowdown and the headwind that Chris again just had alluded to. So as we look into the fourth quarter, we are expecting mid-single-digit growth here in this space, as we're just considering that the conditions persist and the comparisons will also ease. I think what's important here is that we're not assuming that there is any type of material benefit from the recent actions that the Federal Reserve took with interest rate reductions. However, we do believe that we will be a medium-term beneficiary of those rate cuts. So more as we get into 2025. And as we look at the lines of business within financial services, excluding mortgage, I mean, consumer lending is one that we would say is a little bit more rate sensitive. And as I'm sure you know, this is where the vast majority of our FinTech customers reside. And it's kind of two-pronged here. First, with lower rates, the FinTechs have cheaper access to capital, which then improves their funding models. But then on the demand side, if rates are lower, you'll see consumers look for products such as debt consolidation. So rate sensitivity there is impactful, and we should see a benefit. If you look at our auto business, the lower rates are aiding affordability. Vehicle prices have gone up significantly since before the pandemic. So a lower rate environment will help. There's also a potential refi opportunity in the auto space as well too. When you think about how auto loans were taken out at very high levels of interest rates, there could be an opportunity there as well in the medium term. Thinking about the credit card business, probably a limited impact that rates are going to have there. And then finally, when we think about the banking side of the equation, the small and medium-sized lenders, as we talked about a year ago, this group felt outsized pain from higher rates as well as dislocation of deposits last year in the wake of a couple of banking failures. So we look at that group of customers which TransUnion is well positioned in that lower interest rates again in the medium term should help.