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TPG RE Finance Trust, Inc. (TRTX)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Wed, Oct 30, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the TPG RE Finance Trust third-quarter 2019 earnings conference call. [Operator instructions] Please note that this call is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Deborah Ginsberg. You may now begin.

Deborah Ginsberg

Analyst

Good morning, and welcome to TPG Real Estate Finance Trust third-quarter 2019 conference call. I'm joined today by Greta Guggenheim, chief executive officer; and Bob Foley, chief financial and risk officer. Greta and Bob will share some comments about the quarter, and then we'll open up the call for questions. Yesterday evening, we filed our Form 10-Q and issued a press release with a presentation of our operating results, all of which are available on our website in the Investor Relations section. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call may include forward-looking statements which are uncertain and outside of the company's control. Actual results may differ materially. For a discussion of some of the risks that could affect results, please see the Risk Factors section of our most recent 10-K. We do not undertake any duty to update these statements and will also refer to certain non-GAAP measures on this call.

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

Thank you, Deborah, and good morning to all. We had a strong third quarter with GAAP and core earnings of $0.44 and $0.45 per share, respectively, and portfolio growth of earning assets to $5.7 billion. This growth was achieved due to strong originations of $805 million during the quarter, which outpaced repayments of $512 million. Our originations continue to grow year over year and are $2.3 billion versus $1.9 billion for the same period last year. Our earnings reflect our ability to source loans that adhere to our credit parameters, our continued focus on investing our cash and our ability to reduce our cost of funds. As well, we have been successful in obtaining interest rate floors. $2 billion of our loans have LIBOR floors between 1.8% and 2.5%, and the weighted average floor on our year-to-date originations is 1.93%. Our weighted average spread for the quarter was 289 basis points over LIBOR. However, I'd like to point out that roughly half of these originations have floors that are, on average, over 20 basis points above current LIBOR, meaning they are in the money. The third-quarter weighted average LTV is 70% and our portfoliowide LTV is 66%. This LTV reflects the fact that we have only one construction loan. Having a high percentage of construction loans, which we do not, results in a lower overall reported LTV as the initial loan amount on construction loans are usually a small percentage of the total loan amount as compared to typical transitional asset loans. Presently and subsequent to quarter-end, we have $475 million of loans closed and in the process of closing with a weighted average spread of 305 basis points and a weighted average LTV of 60%. We continue to be extremely focused on building and maintaining a portfolio with the…

Bob Foley

Analyst

Thank you, Greta. For the third quarter, we generated GAAP net income of $33 million or $0.44 per diluted share and core earnings of $33.4 million or $0.45 per diluted share. On a per-share basis, both increased $0.01 versus prior quarter. We declared a dividend of $0.43 per share, covered approximately 1.05 times by our core earnings. Earnings growth was driven primarily by an increase in net interest margin of $2.7 million quarter over quarter, largely due to the earn-in of our $755 million of originations during the second quarter, yield maintenance and unamortized origination fees from certain loan repayments and investment earnings from our short-term investment portfolio. Net loan growth of $187.4 million was driven by the closing of six first mortgage loans representing total commitments of $805.3 million and initial fundings of $654 million, deferred fundings on existing loans of $45.2 million and repayments of $511.9 million. For new loan originations, the average loan size was $134.2 million, an increase of 42% over the prior quarter. Our weighted average credit spread was 289 basis points as compared to 364 in the prior quarter, and the weighted average LTV was 70.1%. The weighted average spread of our loan portfolio at quarter-end was 365 basis points, compared to 377 basis points at June 30 due to the repayment of older vintage loans with wider credit spreads and the origination new loans with tighter credit spreads reflecting current market conditions and our risk preference for loans with more in place cash flow and less lift during the loan. For our third-quarter originations, the weighted average asset level ROE was 9.2%. At quarter-end, portfoliowide, our loan level leverage was virtually unchanged from the prior quarter at 76% versus 77%, and our overall debt-to-equity ratio was also virtually unchanged at 2.9 to one…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator instructions] Our first question is from Steve Delaney with JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning. Appreciate you taking the question. I'd like to start with the weighted spread on new originations. We look back to the second quarter. 365 basis points was pretty much right on the portfolio at 370. So I was wondering if you could comment -- 290. And Greta, we heard what you said about 20 basis points in the money. So even if we add that back, it would be like 310 versus -- down 50 or 60 basis points. Was there anything in the mix? We noticed it was heavy office. Anything in the mix that would attribute that shift? Or are we just basically talking about a change in market pricing? Thank you.

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

I think this quarter, roughly 80% of our loans were in gateway markets, and the sponsorships are much more institutional the larger the assets and it's just more competitive. We really have dug in and focused on credit just given what's going on in the world economy. Not that we haven't always dug in on credit, but this quarter -- we've always said it's a little bit lumpy. We happen to have some two very large loans, as Bob mentioned. Our weighted average loan size went up and these were sub-300 spreads. I mean when I look at our pipeline for next quarter, we're slightly above 300. But yes, it's a combination of factors. One, it's just how the dice rolled in terms of what closed during the quarter. And two, spreads are tied particularly for the gateway markets.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

That's helpful. And you made a comment on floors. I was looking where LIBOR was 240 at the end of 2018, it's down to 180. And maybe we have a couple more cuts, who knows? But it seems like -- I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. But is it -- let me ask it this way. Is it logical to think that when LIBOR has already declined materially that your ability to negotiate floors that are flat to the entry rate is easier to accomplish than if LIBOR was 2.5 or three and the borrowers are praying for 100 basis points of relief?

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

Yes. I think that's a fair comment. It's easy. Typically, historically, we would regularly negotiate 25 basis points below the current LIBOR. And for some borrowers, they would push even further than that. But now, it's much easier to get as close to in the money as possible because it's so low. And I think what it feels like is that the industry is gravitating to what the insurance companies have long done and that is just have minimum coupons regardless of where the index is. And it feels like that a little bit. I hope it's true.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

OK. That's helpful. And the last, kind of a more big picture. Portfolios up to -- funded portfolio at $5 billion. And if we assume a couple of hundred in the fourth quarter, it puts you at $5.2 billion. That would be $900 million or about 20%, 21% growth year over year from year-end '18 to '19. As you look at conditions and you look out to 2020, do you see 2020 as being a year where you can continue to grow your portfolio 10%, 15% consistent, I guess most importantly, with your current underwriting standards and the level of competition? That's it, and I appreciate your comments.

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

Yes. I mean every year at this time and up through January, like, oh my gosh, it's going to -- how are we going to make this production? Yet we have consistently increased. And I don't see any conditions in the marketplace that would prevent us from doing so. Now that being said, it is an election year and we could have some tumultuous activity in the market depending on how that unfolds. And also with the macroeconomic and geopolitical world, there could be some shots. But based on what we see now, yes, I would expect our portfolio to continue to grow.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator instructions] Your next question comes from Stephen Laws with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Stephen Laws

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning.

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Steve.

Stephen Laws

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Greta, first, looking at the portfolio, it looks like from comparing the Qs that you had the four-rated loans secured by the Atlanta retail payoff, I believe. Can you maybe talk about that? Was it expected? Maybe talk about the conversations with your borrower leading up to that. And then if you can provide any details on the Woodland Hills retail loan, it looks like you guys moved to four this quarter, that would be great.

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Sure. Well, the Atlanta asset did repay due to a sale of the asset by the sponsor. This was one where I would say that what we refer to as our broken window policy, referencing Police Commissioner Bratton during the Giuliani years, our policy toward asset management really worked. This asset very -- we had a great sponsor with substantial equity invested and that's what attracted it to us, and it was in a great part of Atlanta in the Buckhead market so very infill. Yet almost from when we closed it, the new leases signed did not meet their pro forma leasing and the rental rates they were achieving were off significantly. And this really reflects what we saw nationally in the retail landscape. And we were very much on this loan, definitely weekly. And what we were able to do because of provisions in our loan agreement was if they wanted to sign a lease below what the leasing guidelines indicated, they actually had to pay the loan down. And so we got a little bit of a pay-down every time they signed a lease, which got them more and more invested in the asset, which new -- which is our goal so that they will always protect. So given that it was a retail asset, of course, it was one that we would worry about relative to other property types. That's why you don't see a lot of retail in our portfolio, but we had an excellent sponsorship. I think they always would have done the right thing anyway, but you need a little protection by having the right provisions to require them to commit capital as their business plans are not being met. And then the asset that was added to four is the retail property in a great infill location in California. It is -- it has not met its business plan. It's also a small loan at $33 million but it's with a repeat borrower that we've known for many years. And they have held out for a certain type of tenants, which has resulted in them being with a very low occupancy relative to market. The markets closed at -- is 95% occupancy for comparable properties, ours is at 45%. And I think he is just holding out for better chance. It's a great type of retail and he's just repositioning it for higher-end tenants.

Stephen Laws

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Great. Appreciate the color on those two loans, Greta. Bob, on the financials, can we maybe talk -- are there any early repayments or prepayment fees in the third quarter? Was it a normal quarter from that standpoint? Or how should we think about the early repayment fees?

Bob Foley

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Well, as you saw, we had about $512 million of repayments. In connection with a couple of those, we -- one of which we paid slightly earlier than we expected. We did have some unamortized origination fees and a yield maintenance payment. We also had some costs, frankly, associated with the financing of that asset. And we also incurred some costs in terms of some of the other financing activity that we did during the quarter. So net-net, the impact on our earnings was not that material. Most quarters will have some very modest amounts of yield maintenance or accelerated recognition of origination or exit fees. But generally, those amounts aren't material and they're fairly consistent.

Stephen Laws

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

OK. So nothing -- no outliers this quarter from...

Bob Foley

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

No major outliers this quarter.

Stephen Laws

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

And then I think you may have kind of hinted at it in your comments there. But as we think about the CLO that just priced, any expenses that maybe were in the third quarter that elevated expenses? Or will we see those hit in Q4? And how do we think about redeployments? I know that vehicle is more efficient from a capital standpoint. So redeployment and others update on the Subsequent Events section looks like about $75 million, $70 million of net funding in October. But can you maybe help me think about my model and how I should think about the pluses and minuses of redeploying that capital from the CLO transaction, the expenses coupled with that?

Bob Foley

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Sure. Let me attack the second portion of the question first and then I'll hit expenses. With respect to recycling of capital in both CLOs, the team here is really focused on that. Sort of like being a landing officer on a carrier, you need to time the closing of your new loans that you want to go into the CLO in whole or in part to happen as close in time as possible to the repayments. Repayments are clearly much more challenging to control because the borrower controls them. But we've got a lot of experience here and a really strong team, and so we try to line those up pretty quickly. But you should generally assume that loans that we originate, they might get warehoused for a short period of time on a repo or other facility. But the liabilities of these CLOs are really attractive not just from a cost standpoint but in terms of non-mark-to-market and non-recourse in term. So we want to use those first, and we will. So that should be your decision when you think about modeling the company's results, or I would recommend that that be your decision rule. With respect to your question about expenses, these transactions, as I mentioned before, are not inexpensive. But even on an all-in, fully amortized basis, the cost of funds is extremely attractive. It is -- the premium one pays for term funding these liabilities is very small in comparison to repo financing. And it's cheaper, frankly, than some other term funding financing that we've executed frankly or that we've observed some of our competitors execute. Most of the costs are deferred and amortized over the life of the deal. I mentioned that we did move some collateral around in order to -- among our existing credit facilities to position them for inclusion in FL3. And there are some deferred financing costs related to where those loans were previously financed that is expensed during the quarter and that was expensed during the third quarter, but in the aggregate, not material.

Stephen Laws

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks, Bob. Thanks very much for your comments.

Bob Foley

Analyst · Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Rick Shane with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Rick Shane

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question this morning. Is the portfolio processed into the $5 billion range and we're starting to see sort of a more steady state of repayments? I'm curious, where do you think equilibrium in terms of portfolio size, in terms of your ability to originate and balance repayments sort of creeps into the picture?

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

I think regarding repayments, I think this year, at least for us, feels like it's going to be somewhat higher than it has been historically. As a percentage of commitments, our repayment, at the end-of-year commitments, our repayments are not really an outlier. I mean we have had precedent in prior years but it is on the margin higher. I believe it's a result of the fact that we still have some pretty good credit spreads on our portfolio and borrowers are taking advantage of lowering their floors potentially and getting tighter spreads. And the mortgage broker community is exceedingly active to try to talk borrowers into refinancing bridge loans with bridge loans. So that's how they churn their fees. So hopefully, the repayments will decline in next year and the future but we don't have a perfect projection for that. And I think that our originations will continue to increase. They have increased every year. And we expect them to, just based on the pipeline we see and the loan activity that we're seeing. And this last quarter, we were successful in increasing our average loan size. And I think that will also help as we continue to do that to continue to grow the portfolio. So where do we stabilize? I mean it's a lot more than where we are now. I mean we all look at Blackstone as the beacon. So I think that's certainly a possibility. And we're just making sure that our growth is prudent and from a credit perspective and accretive, and we will not grow for growth's sake.

Rick Shane

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Got it. Look, you guys have proven to be disciplined over time and we've all known each other a very long time. And I think that's the hallmark of the entire team. Greta, you touched on something interesting, which is that one way to continue to scale the business is through larger loan size. And that makes sense as the balance sheet expands and your ability to fund those loans increases and the concentration risk diminishes. What are the trade-offs that you see associated with making larger loans?

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Well, from a risk management standpoint, we're very mindful that our weighted average loan size stays within a certain range of our equity base. And so that's one thing we're very mindful of. That's first and foremost. The trade-offs have historically been spread because you are competing with the securitized single-borrower market. Then we're competing with -- more directly with Blackstone and Brookfield and the players that go after Uber-large loans. But we're not -- certainly at this stage, we're not going to take on the loan sizes that we see those players doing. We had -- the largest loan we've done is $350 million. That's pretty big for us. So I think the $150 million to $200 million is a perfect size for us and keeps us out of the size of the big guys that are really going exceedingly tight on their spreads.

Rick Shane

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Right. Thank you guys for taking my questions this morning.

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst · JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Rick.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. And I will now turn the call over to Ms. Guggenheim for closing remarks.

A - Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

Well, thank you all for joining us today. We're very excited to close out the year and begin 2020 in a new decade of origination and growth.