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TPG RE Finance Trust, Inc. (TRTX)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 7, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the TPG Real Estate Finance Trust Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host Brad Cohen or ICR. Thank you. You may begin.

Brad Cohen

Analyst

Good morning, and welcome to TPG Real Estate Finance Trust's second quarter 2018 conference call. On the call today are Ms. Greta Guggenheim, Chief Executive Officer; and Mr. Bob Foley, Chief Financial and Risk Officer. Greta and Bob will share some comments about the quarter, and then we'll open up the call for questions. Yesterday evening, the company filed its Form 10-Q and issued a press release with coding a supplemental earnings presentation detailing its operating results for the quarter ended June 30, 2018, all of which are available on our website in the Investor Relations section. Let me remind everyone that today's call may include forward-looking statements, which are uncertain and outside of the company's control. Actual results may differ materially. For a discussion of some of the risks that could affect the company's operating results, please see the Risk Factors section of the company's Form 10-Q filed on August 6, 2018, with the SEC. The company does not undertake any duty to update forward-looking statements. During this call, the company will also refer to certain non-GAAP measures. For reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures, please refer to the Form 10-Q and earnings supplemental, which are posted on the website and have been filed with the SEC. With that, it is my pleasure to turn the call over to Greta Guggenheim, Chief Executive Officer of TPG Real Estate Finance Trust.

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

Thank you, Brad, and good morning to everyone on the call. Thank you for joining us, as we present our second quarter results. It was an excellent quarter and it’s been a great year-to-date through early August. In the second quarter, we continue the strong pace of originations established in the first quarter by closing seven first mortgage loans totaling $609 million. For the first six months of 2018, we originated $1.2 billion of first mortgage loans with a weighted average credit spread of 343 basis points. Our year-to-date originations are $1.8 billion including seven loans totaling $637 million that have closed are in the process of closing since June 30th. This volume nearly equals the amount we close in all of 2017. The weighted average loan to value of originations in the second quarter was 72% on an average loan size of $87 million. The small quarter-over-quarter increased in loan to value reflects our focus on cash flowing bridge and light transitional assets which comfortably support higher advance rates by us to our borrowers in higher leverage to us from our lenders. Year-to-date, our weighted average loan to value is 68%, which includes the $637 million originated since quarter end, which have a weighted average loan to value ratio of 62%. For the second quarter, our weighted average credit spread was 308 basis points. Our average credit spread was higher in part due to $190 million first mortgage loan with a credit spread of 270 basis points. This is the tightest spread we have originated in TRT’s history. By contrast, the weighted average spread for the $637 million source subsequent to quarter end is close to 400 basis points at 392 basis points over LIBOR. Over $420 million of this resource directly with bars. Having these deep relationships able…

Robert Foley

Analyst

Thanks, Greta, and good morning, everyone. Since detail regarding operating performance, the loan portfolio, per capital base and other key performance indicators are contained in the 10-Q and the earnings supplemental which we filed last night. This morning, I’ll limit my remarks to a few items of particular interest. First, our second quarter performance. We posted GAAP net income of $26.4 million, or $0.44 per diluted share, as compared to $25.1 million or $0.42 per diluted share, for the preceding quarter. Earnings growth of 5.2% was driven primarily by net loan growth and loan assets of $206 million and a continued decline in our weighted average credit spread on borrowings of approximately 9 basis points quarter-over-quarter. MG&A expense was in line with expectations, down roughly 3% and up 64% quarter over same quarter of 2017, due to various first-time costs as a public company. Book value per share was $19.80 at quarter end, versus $19.82 at prior quarter end due to a non-cash mark to market adjustment of $1.4 million, largely related two Ginnie Mae guaranteed multi-family project bonds that we account for as available for sale securities. This has no impact on earnings. And we declared in mid-June and paid in July, a cash dividend of $0.43 per common share, an increase of $0.01 per share over the prior quarter. Our annualized dividend yield is now 8.7% on our book value per share at quarter-end and 8.3% on Monday’s closing share price of $20.69. During the second quarter, we originated seven loans totaling, $609.4 million. Initial fundings under new loan commitments totaled $531 million. Loan repayments were $414.6 million, lifting repayments with a first half of the year to $571 million, which is in line with our expectations. Second quarter repayments included $129.7 million relating to our dwindling number…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is coming from Stephen Laws of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Stephen Laws

Analyst

Hi good morning, Bob and Greta congratulations on a solid portfolio growth and a solid quarter.

Robert Foley

Analyst

Thanks.

Stephen Laws

Analyst

Greta, I know you mentioned specifically you hated to try and draw a trend out of where spreads to LIBOR on new assets, new investments are going. But I got some of the follow up on your prepared remarks. It seems like things have rebounded since quarter-end. Is there something you're seeing in the marketing? Is that simply a function of just small sample sizes with the origination volume first and second quarter and then subsequent to quarter-end. Maybe can you go in a little more detail about asset yields on new investments, how those have come back a little bit and where you see them going from here?

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

Well, there has definitely been spread compression. I mean our year-to-date spreads of 360 are less than 2017 full year spread. So that avoiding comparing quarter-to-quarter but trying to compare larger chunks of time. And in looking at those periods, it's clear -- our spreads have clearly come in. But that being said, I feel like we certainly since quarter-end as our originations indicate, we are getting what I believe are very strong spreads on very high-quality originations. And it is in part a result of having direct relationships and borrowers and brokers and not relying solely on mass marketed major national mortgage broker deals, where force to compete with maybe 20 other lenders and been the very tightest to win. I mean we will do those transactions, because it is important to stay in the flow. But we so far have been able to rely on our deep relationships to get differentiated pricing on high quality deals. And also, I think the larger, the loan size the more competitive the loan. Now there is a certain size where it thins out, but when you're in the $200 million to $400 million size, I think you see a lot of interest from some of our larger or some of the other public mortgage REIT as well as private debt funds. And our average loan size is slightly less than a $100 million. We believe it's less competitive. And I think our results prove that out.

Stephen Laws

Analyst

You actually hit exactly on my second question to ask about what you're seeing in the top-five or 10 MSAs versus the smaller markets I guess where smaller loans typically take place. And so, it does sound like you're seeing less competition at the low end. Has that changed your focus at all, or has it continued just to go through the pipeline and look at each individual investment on its own terms.

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

We're still focusing on the major markets. and very high percent of our originations. I think it's over 60% are in the top-10 market -- of our portfolio in the top 10 market. You're not going to see our strategy shift materially in that. it's more the relationship with the sponsor and not chasing $250 million to $300 million loans and competing with the world.

Stephen Laws

Analyst

Right. And Bob, as we think about the portfolio in the second half of the year, you gave goof information on originations subsequent quarter end. Are there any prepays, can you maybe give us any insight under prepayments, I know the loan table has the fully extended maturity, but what’s the state of maturity or do you have a good sense of maybe where prepays will be for the second half of this year.

Robert Foley

Analyst

Good question Steve. And as you and other on the call know, we have a very attentive asset management platform and one of the many advantages of being in the intermediate to large loan business as you can, and you should manage your loans individually. And so, we’ve – we’re in constant touch with our borrowers and we try to accurately forecast what we expect will be the repayment behavior of each and every loan, there is clearly some variability, quarter-over-quarter, often driven more by the underlying business plans and by general capital markets conditions. I think the sub text of your question is what should you expect for the rest of the year and I would say that our expectations now are that repayment behavior for the rest of this year should be consistent with what we experienced over the first two quarters of the year taken as a whole. There will be variability and that’s often the case that the aggregate dollar amount of repayments that occur in a given half year or a year will be very close to what we project, but the actual underlying loans that repay could vary. I mentioned that conduit deal in South Florida earlier. We did not project that that sponsor would close as all the contracts have been signed well in advance, that was really the premise of our investment decision. But that particular borrowers is extremely good at closing deals. They operate in a multiple conference rooms, that drive borrowers around to get to their bank to bring their final bank check-in and so that deal actually closed out a little faster than we thought. That’s just one example of the variability that can occur and repayments. But we would expect the second year to look like the first half, or the second half of the year to look like the first half of the year.

Stephen Laws

Analyst

Great, I appreciate the color on that Bob. Thanks for taking my question.

Robert Foley

Analyst

Thank you for the question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Steve Delaney, of JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Good morning and thank you for taking the questions. Great, you mentioned the large loan, the large office loan that was priced at LIBOR plus 270. Would that be the loan highlighted on page nine in Philadelphia.

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

Yes, it is.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Okay. Could you just comment on what made that loan, specifically attractive in terms of LTV, it looks pretty much like some of the other loans. What was attractive to that and I guess the second part of the question would be to Bob, that would that loan is there anything about that loan that would cause to finance better than another loan. Just curious if the decision process that you went through other than the fact it was putting a lot of money to work? Thanks.

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

Sure, look that loan is consistent with our strategy and most of our other originations of major markets, very strong sponsor and high-quality assets. But it is also with the borrowers that I personally have lent [ph] to over a long period of time and have had great experience with. The borrower is excellent at executing their business plan and it has a very good history of abiding by the loan documents that they signed which obviously is important to us. So, this is one that we leaned in on as I mentioned before larger loans are teemed to be a bit more competitive and given our comfort with the sponsor, we chose to lean in on this one to win it and you may see us to that from time-to-time.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Understand, that’s a normal part of relationship management and holding on to your good clients. Kind of directly extension to that is, I notice that in the quarter 95% of the loans run office properties. Was that intentional on your part, where there any multiple loans to the same borrower, and what should we, it’s always going to be a big part given your market focus. But anything behind the 95% concentration in the second quarter we should understand?

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

That wasn't a goal set out at the beginning of the quarter to have that high of a concentration. Office is 36% of our portfolio. We continue to like office. We're shying away from retail. We're very, very selective on hotel. So, it really leaves office and multifamily as our primary focus. Not to say we won't do retail or hotel, but we're just much more selective. But this was not a target, it just happened. And there are repeat borrowers in there. Three of the loans are our barrowers that we have financed before at TRTX.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

Great, thank you. And Bob, one for you. I noticed, in the -- in your deck you talk about the sale of the CMBS positioned and you mentioned in your comments as well. Liquid asset helps to free up capital to fund your growing pipeline. Just curious, if in the third quarter from an accounting standpoint, if we should consider whether they would be any GAAP gain that would be recognized on that sale, anything above where they were maybe being carried at the 630 fair value mark? Thanks.

Robert Foley

Analyst

Thanks, Steve, for all of your questions. I would say that's unlikely are with a few exceptions. Our CMBS investment activity is driven primarily by our desire to invest cash thoughtfully for the short-term when we have it, prior to us deployment and whole loans. And to do so, we generally buy very short duration AAA rated primarily floaters. Sometimes some short remaining life fixed rate loans. But as a consequence, that the price volatility, the DVO, one of those bonds is very low, which it should be given that this is intended to be a cash substitute. And as a consequence, I don't think that people should expect to see material gains or losses from our CMBS investment activity.

Steve Delaney

Analyst

God it. Thank you. I appreciate the comments.

Robert Foley

Analyst

Thank you, Steve.

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is coming from Rick Shane of JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Rick Shane

Analyst

Hi guys. Thanks for taking my question is this morning. I appreciate the additional disclosure on page six related to the origination efforts in the pipeline. I just want to make sure that we understand whether or not the loan pipeline cited on page eight indicates with footnotes for describing that the pipeline is the reference of same pool of loans on the subsequent events page that description?

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

Yes, it does.

Rick Shane

Analyst

Okay. So, we look at this, subsequent event almost in the process of closing. And then on page eight, it basically says, pipeline and does not suggest that those are closed loans. I'm curious given how favorable those metrics are whether or not you expect a little bit more fallout in that pipeline versus what you normally look?

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

No, we do not. Many of these are acquisition loans and so we believe that they will close as scheduled because the borrower doesn't want to miss that deadline. And also, over, approximately half of these will be closed by the end of this week or at least that's our expectation.

Rick Shane

Analyst

Okay, great. The disclosure in asset level estimated return is very helpful. I'm assuming when we look back at overtime, what we've seen is that through the first half of 2018, or fourth quarter of 2017 and the first quarter of 2018, there was some offset in terms of the spread compression presumably driven by more efficient financing. In the second quarter that sort of run away because that financing isn't in place. I am curious of ultimately there is going to be any benefit from scale as well when you make that calculation?

Robert Foley

Analyst

Rick, I’ll take that question and thank you for it. You're right with respect to our ROE, which is a net ROE after expenses and so on, on an asset-by-asset basis. But we do expect that there will be benefits overtime scale, both as our book grows and as the company as a whole grows. MG&A as we’ve discussed previously we believe we’re at a good scale and we have significant operating leverage embedded into the business. We’ve gotten past a lot of the start-up public company cost especially over the last couple of quarters. So, we do think there’s some benefits there. But bluntly, the big benefit overtime of either improving or sustaining our ROE is making good investment decisions having our team use their direct relationships to sort of skin the cream of the crop in terms of deal opportunities and then for our capital markets team to finance things really efficiently and we’ve made very good headway in that regard, but we still have work to do. The CLO that we did in the first quarter I think was an important milestone for us but there are other techniques available to us especially in reliance on the bigger capital markets team here at TPG and we would hope to exploit those overtime.

Rick Shane

Analyst

Got it. So, to really pinpoint on it, it's fair to say that the spreads and yields -- so you’ve provided the metric that asset level with ROE for four quarters. Fair to say that the spreads and yields have been dynamic, but funding assumptions has been dynamic, has the operating expenses associated with that been dynamic or has that been a static function that ultimately will improve?

Robert Foley

Analyst

I would say that the operating expense results have been closer to static, but if you spread our MG&A over the last several quarters, you’ll see that it’s flat in fact this quarter was slightly down quarter-over-quarter and we don’t -- in terms of MG&A, professional fees, operating expenses, asset management and servicing fees were on those like the hawk and we think that those are sustainable levels for an extended relevant range of business volume, let’s put it that way.

Rick Shane

Analyst

Okay. Great. That’s very helpful. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the floor back over to Ms. Guggenheim for closing comments.

Greta Guggenheim

Analyst

Thank you again for joining us this morning. We look forward to seeing you and speaking with you on the conference circuit and on the road over the next three months. In the interim, we hope you enjoy the last few weeks of summer.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This concludes today’s conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.