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Trinity Industries, Inc. (TRN)

Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 27, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to Trinity Industries Second Quarter Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note, today's event is being recorded. Before we get started let me remind you that today's conference call contains forward-looking statements as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and includes statements as to estimates, expectations, intentions and predictions of future financial performance. Statements that are not historical facts are forward-looking. Participants are directed to Trinity's Form 10-K and other SEC filings for a description of certain of the business issues and risks, a change in any of which could cause actual results or outcomes to differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements. I would now like to turn the conference over to Leigh Anne Mann, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Leigh Anne Mann

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for the company's second quarter 2022 financial results conference call. Our prepared remarks will include comments from Jean Savage, Trinity's Chief Executive Officer and President, and Eric Marchetto, the Company's Chief Financial Officer. We will hold a Q&A session following the prepared remarks from our leaders. During the call today, we will reference slides highlighting key points of discussion as well as certain non-GAAP financial metrics. The reconciliation of the non-GAAP metrics to comparable GAAP measures are provided in the Appendix of the supplemental slides, which are accessible on our Investor Relations website at www.trin.net. These slides can be found under the Events & Presentations portion of the website along with the Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call event link. A replay of today's call will be available after 10:30 AM Eastern Time through midnight on August 3, 2022. Replay information is available under the Events & Presentations page on our Investor Relations website. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Jean.

Jean Savage

Analyst

Thank you, Leigh Anne, and good morning everyone. As you will hear in our remarks this morning, we think that today's results are proof that our hard work is paying off and we are seeing improvement around our business and we see utilization renewal rates and the FLRD are all up, sequentially. Margins have improved and our lease fleet continues to be optimized to meet changing demand in the markets we serve. In Rail Products, though supply chain and labor issues persist, we saw sequential improvement in both, revenue and margins, and are on track to reach our goal of a mid to high single-digit operating profit margin before the end of the year. In short, we are proud of our team and so are increasingly confident about what we can accomplish in 2022. Before I get to the results, I wanted to share with our investment community that on June 28th Trinity celebrated 50 years of being listed on the New York Stock Exchange and had the unique opportunity to ring the closing bell. I was there with my executive team as well as some of the leaders of our employee resource groups and it was a really exciting experience. And now turn with me to Slide 3 to talk about our key messages from today's call. For the second quarter, we are reporting GAAP and adjusted EPS from continuing operations of $0.14, which on adjusted basis is up $0.11, sequentially, and $0.06 year-over-year. These results reflect improving operations and Trinity's ability to execute despite high inflation and high interest rates. We are working diligently to reprice our assets to reflect the current market dynamic. As a result, our Future Lease Rate Differential, which is calculated by attributing current lease rates to all railcar leases expiring in the next…

Eric Marchetto

Analyst

Thank you, Jean, and good morning everyone. I'll start my comments on Slide 9. As Jean mentioned, our GAAP and adjusted earnings per share from continuing operations were $0.14 per share. We had better operating performance in each of our segments and we benefited in the quarter from $144 million in lease portfolio sales with a gain of $27 million. Lease portfolio sales were normal part of our business and remained active in the secondary market as both, buyers and sellers. I think this quarter provides a good example of the power of our platform. We originated new railcar leases, we made investments in our sustainable conversion program, we purchased railcars in the secondary market and sold railcars into our RIV program as well as in the secondary market. We're able to respond to market demands and create value through our lease portfolio while improving our return profile. This quarter, 41% of our deliveries went into our lease fleet and this shift in the deliveries toward lease fleet additions is largely the result of more deliveries to industrial shippers, who typically make the decision to lease railcars. This dynamic works very well for Trinity, both because of our competitive advantage as a manufacturer and lessor, but also because of our ability to raise lease rates as the railcar fleet tightens and improve yields, even as asset costs rise. Furthermore, this allows us to meet demand as these railcars leased to industrial shippers are attractive investments for our fleet and that of our RIV partners. As we maintain our goal of disciplined lease fleet growth, we are also selling railcars out of our lease fleet to continue to optimize the size and composition of our investment. These sales create better economics, because we realized pricing favorable to railcars without leases. I…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Today's first question comes from Matt Elkott from Cowen. Please go ahead.

Matt Elkott

Analyst

Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I understand the mix from the perspective, when the orders were taken is going to be more favorable in the second half for deliveries. Jean and Eric, can you talk about the mix from car-type perspective in the second half versus the first half? And also more importantly, do you see any notable mix changes in deliveries going into next year? I know that this recovery has been driven more by freight cars than tank cars, but the tank car market has been tightening lately. So, I guess, the spirit of my question is, could we see a slightly higher mix of tank cars next year than we do this year?

Jean Savage

Analyst

Well, thanks for the question. Matt, this is Jean, I'll start. So, it's still is a freight car-driven market recovery for this year. We are starting to see some signs in some specific markets with the tanks, but it's still not widespread. There's still a lot of tank cars and storage that need to come out and go back to work. So, seeing, I'd say more freight car-driven, but, again, we're taking them in a better market for pricing. So, we are seeing that rise, plus being able to escalate. So, I think, that will be a benefit overall for us.

Matt Elkott

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And then just one more question, Jean. You mentioned that, as rail service starts to improve, that may be a near-term demand headwind for rail equipment. I understand that some of this, if not all of it will be offset eventually with volume growth as you alluded to. So, my question is about this transition period. I mean, are we going to have a quarter - a period of a couple of quarters, where industry utilization looks worse, decidedly worse for the fleet than where it is now as rail service improves, but before that need - before that translates to volume growth.

Jean Savage

Analyst

We really think it's going to be a minimal transition period for that to happen. Because as we talk to our shipper customers, they want to move more by rail. So, I think, that as soon as it's open. So the services return, they'll start to move more, so don't expect a large or much of a lag.

Operator

Operator

And our next question today comes from Bascome Majors with Susquehanna. Please go ahead.

Bascome Majors

Analyst

Eric, you did two permanent financings in the quarter. Can you talk a little bit about where you are on your need to finance or refinance the portfolio? And any other access to capital you expect to reach maybe over the next 6, 12 even 18 months?

Eric Marchetto

Analyst

Sure, Bascome. I like our debt profile overall. We have a nice mix of fixed to floating rate debt, leaning strongly towards the fixed side at very attractive lease rates. You're right, we did access the ABS market twice this quarter. We still have plenty of availability in our warehouse. Also I mentioned, the car sales that we did in the quarter, the $140 million in car sales, a lot of that cash at the end of the quarter is tied up in our restricted cash, to see increase in restricted cash that's because those sales came out of securitizations, so that as we add cars of fleet. We will-- it was more of a timing issue will release that cash as we replace with other equipment. So, I think, we're going to a good spot. In terms of not having access the markets a lot in the near-term.

Bascome Majors

Analyst

And from your experiences, I mean, we can see the rate and the raw cost of capital there, sometimes it's a little hard to understand the nuance. Can you talk about the appetite in the ABS market in those deals you've done in the last three months, any terms that have changed for better. for worse. Just thinking about the true cost of capital, when considering your flexibility term other things.

Eric Marchetto

Analyst

Yes. In terms of the-- yes sure. In terms of the terms, it's still the terms have been very favorable to the issuers now as benchmarks have risen and we certainly saw spreads widen as well, so the ABS market was not as deep this year as it was in the last couple of years or last year, but it's still a very attractive market. We still see investors and new investors coming into the rail space there to access to invest in rail paper.

Bascome Majors

Analyst

Lastly from me, you closed up the tail-end of your comments, kind of, pointing to the sequential trends, the improvement embedded in your guidance and talking about how you feel good about the coming quarters for a handful of reasons. As we bridge that to 2023, I know you don't have EPS guide out there, but the sell-side consensus is somewhere around $2 that doesn't seem out of line with $0.85 that your guidance implies for the second half of this year, but it does seem like your stock price is discounting arguably some cyclical risk to that level. Can you talk a little bit preliminary. I mean just is $2 within the reasonable range of outcomes? Is - any puts and takes as we think about where this is going and how that --and what that implies for your stock valuation would be helpful. Thank you.

Jean Savage

Analyst

So, Bascome, you know we're not going to give guidance yet that far out, but if you look at our exit rate and getting up to volumes, we expect '23 to remain the same volumes as you're going to see in the second half of the year. So, hopefully, that will help you understand a little bit of the modeling.

Bascome Majors

Analyst

So there's no reason to think that your internal views are drastically different going into early next year compared to the rate you're exiting this year?

Jean Savage

Analyst

That's correct.

Bascome Majors

Analyst

And is the pricing of portfolio as far as the delays of deliveries and when orders were taken, does that continue to improve, sequentially, or is that starting to level off?

Eric Marchetto

Analyst

Yes. That - the demand environment is certainly - the margin environment for orders taken in the last couple of quarters is certainly better. So as we move forward, we're taking more of the orders that we'll be delivering reflect a better price environment.

Operator

Operator

And our next question today comes from Steve Barger at KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good morning guys. This is Jacob on for Steve.

Jean Savage

Analyst

Good morning, Jacob.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

My first question here is just with lease indexes improving, do you expect to see higher multi-year order activity or do you think there's still too much macro uncertainty to drive some of those bigger orders?

Jean Savage

Analyst

So, we have seen some multi-year orders this year and we're still having discussions on other multi-year orders, so haven't seen that dry up, I think it's in the typical range right now.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Got it. Sounds good. And then, just a follow-up. It sounds like you're increasing production pretty significantly in the back half and you have a nice mix of cars there. So my question is, just how should we think about incremental manufacturing margin as you ramp in the back half?

Jean Savage

Analyst

Yes. So, as we stated in our prepared remarks, we're expecting to end the year in the mid-to-high single digits on the margin. And so, that is expectations. No change there.

Operator

Operator

And our next question today comes from Brady Lierz with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Brady Lierz

Analyst

Yes, good morning everyone. This is. Brady, on for Justin, and thanks for taking my question. There are a lot of cross currents going on right now from a macro perspective. And kind of with that in mind, what's your confidence on the book-to-bill remaining over 1 times for the rest of the year. And anything you could share with us on quarter-to-date order trends relative to what you saw in the quarter. Thanks.

Jean Savage

Analyst

Thank you. So the inquiry level support on the ranges that we're getting in the 40,000 to 50,000 for the industry for this year and next year.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Gordon Johnson at GLJ. Please go ahead.

Gordon Johnson

Analyst

Thanks for taking the question. So, the book-to-bill is so strong at 1.7 times versus two times last quarter and it's clear, you guys are guiding margins production strong. Would you say, some of that guidance is due to higher, I guess, the ability to pass-through higher prices or would you say it's due to lower costs or a combination of both? And then, with respect to steel prices retreating, can you talk a little bit about what kind of price levels you expect maybe in the second half or maybe in the third quarter with respect to those prices falling?

Jean Savage

Analyst

Sure. I'll go ahead and start and let Eric jump in. So, we're looking at the second half. We are seeing the improvements come through in manufacturing. Some of the efficiencies, automation and other thing. So, that has definitely helped them, but it's a combination of that plus a stronger pricing environment for us based off of where we are in this cycle. Steel prices, they have come down a little. We're nowhere near where we were pre-pandemic yet, so not expecting to get to the pre-pandemic levels anytime soon, but see a gradual reduction in those prices.

Gordon Johnson

Analyst

And then if I could, just a quick follow-up, I mean, clearly as one person mentioned there's some cross currents in the economy, but you guys are guiding to strength, clearly higher EPS. If indeed we do go into a modest to aggressive recession, I guess, maybe this question we've answered, but how confident are you in that book-to-bill. Thank you for the questions.

Jean Savage

Analyst

Yes. So, when you look at our backlog, we have about a year sitting there. So from June till next June, we've already got orders in place to be able to handle that with a pricing from last - we can't predict everything. But based off of what we see today, we should be able to continue to have the efficiency improvements. We've got the volume set. So it's just running and doing what we expect to do or perform in our facilities.

Operator

Operator

And, ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to, Jean Savage, for any closing remarks.

Jean Savage

Analyst

Well, thank you, everyone, for joining us this morning. As you can tell, we're very pleased with the progress we continue to make towards our goals to optimize returns in this business. Additionally, from our perspective, we see the current supply/demand dynamics for railcars to remain strong despite what has been a more volatile year for headline and financial markets. With that, we hope you have a great day and thank you again.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.