LendingTree, Inc. (TREE) Q4 2019 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Good morning ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the LendingTree Fourth Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I want to like to turn the conference over to your host Trent Ziegler, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thanks operator. And thanks everyone for joining the call this morning to discuss LendingTree’s fourth quarter 2019 financial performance. I'm joined here in the room this morning by LendingTree’s Chairman and CEO, Doug Lebda; and Chief Financial Officer. J.D. Moriarty. Before I hand the call over, I'll quickly remind everyone that during today's call we may discuss LendingTree’s expectations for future performance. Forward-looking statements are typically preceded by words such as we expect, we believe, we anticipate or other similar statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and LendingTree’s actual results could differ materially from the views expressed today. Many but not all the risks we face are described in LendingTree’s periodic reports filed with the SEC. We will also discuss a variety of non-GAAP measures on the call today. And I refer you to today's press release available on our Investor Relations website at investors.lendingtree.com for the comparable GAAP measures, definitions and full reconciliations of non-GAAP measures to GAAP. And with that, I'll turn it to Doug.

Thank you, Trent, and thanks everyone for joining the call today. I'd like to start the conversation by recapping some of our major accomplishments in 2019. So you have a sense for what I'm excited about and where we're heading. Then I'll turn it over to J.D. to walk through the fourth quarter financials and our guidance for the first quarter. As I look back on 2019, I'm most proud of the fact that we made incredible progress and improving the financial wellness of millions of customers through My LendingTree. More than half of our users improved their credit scores within six months of sign up. Those who saw improvement their credit score improved by more than 50 points. We look at My LendingTree through two lenses. First, are we adding value to the customer? Second, is it adding value for LendingTree? And the answer to both is an unequivocal, yes. During the year, we added more than $3.6 million new users to the platform, and the revenue contribution from My LendingTree was more than $80 million and grew more than 30%. That is particularly impressive when you consider we have just recently begun to integrate insurance and credit cards still represents a small piece of that total despite terrific progress towards better alignment throughout 2019. Midway through the year, we rolled out a complete redesign of our app, enabling us to promote holistic financial wellness to our user base well beyond the scope of a free credit score and savings on existing loans. The new platform is now capable of providing users with guidance around not only their credit profile and existing liabilities, but also positions us to engage with the consumer on their financial future by providing visibility into savings and investments, as well as monthly cash flows. My LendingTree has become an increasingly important component of our business throughout the past year and I firmly believe we're just scratching the surface. We've learned a tremendous amount in 2019 and our user base has grown and it also has driven significant engagement. And I'm excited to share more with you all throughout the years, we continue to launch new features. As we discussed our Investor Day in December, we're also executing on a B2B strategy for distribution where we have six live partner integrations and two other partners actively integrating as we speak. These partnerships with My LendingTree in the hands of more users and the acquisition cost also largely risk free. We expect that this will continue to be important channel for us as My LendingTree continues to scale. Additionally, we're now putting real investment behind advertising the My LendingTree in 2020. As I mentioned on our last call, we ran a series of regional tests in Q3 of last year that promoted My LendingTree as a standalone offering. The results of those tests were very positive and informed our strategy heading into this year. While we're just a month and a half into the new year, and it would be premature to offer too much information, I'm happy to report that the early readouts on the advertising is encouraging in terms of new app stalls and engaging the existing base. Moving on from My LendingTree, I'd also like to highlight the success of our ongoing diversification strategy. Our 4A into the insurance business has clearly been a successful one, as we acquired a terrific business at an opportune time. While the industry is growing nicely as the insurers increasingly find value in online channels, the execution of the QuoteWizard team has been impeccable and the integration of the ValuePenguin team was seamless. Insurance is now our single biggest business unfortunately does not carry the same risks to our other businesses related to interest rates and consumer credit. While insurance was a big headline, some of our other acquired businesses performed extremely well in 2019. After acquiring SnapCap in the fall of 2017, and taking some time for integration, our small business offering grew 74% in 2019. This is another terrific example of our ability to acquire high quality assets in an attractive space and leverage our scale and marketing progress prowess to accelerate growth. While our diversification strategy has added nicely to the company's growth prospects, it has also provided for a substantially more durable business model. Our diversified portfolio of businesses enable us to weather an extremely difficult environment for mortgage in 2018. And in 2019, it enabled us to navigate some real challenges in personal loan space. In the most recent quarter, we encountered some unforeseen difficulties in the often volatile credit card business which J.D. will discuss. And despite this, we still hit our numbers. Our diversification helps us to deliver and I'm very, very pleased with our execution. In closing, I'm incredibly pleased with all the accomplishments in 2019. And I've never been more excited about what the future has in store. As a marketplace business designed to serve both consumers and partners, we are increasingly focused on engaging in the consumer in a way that's beneficial to both them and our partners. We have laid the rails to expand how we engage with the consumer, and will continue to look for ways to drive a more comprehensive relationship. This will no doubt benefit our partners over time as well. There has been no shortage of interesting M&A activity in the FinTech space over the last few weeks, and I am excited as I've ever been in a long time about our unique positioning in this space. Our marketing machine and deep lender network across all categories are second to none. But our journey to becoming a legitimate one stop destination for consumers is only just beginning. And with that, I'll hand it to J.D.

Thanks Doug. I couldn't agree more on the progress. I'd like to spend a few minutes walking through the fourth quarter financial results and provide some color on our first quarter guidance before we open up the call for Q&A. I'll discuss our Q4 results in the context of our newly introduced segment reporting, which I hope you'll find helpful in understanding the underlying drivers of performance. As a reminder, we introduced this segment framework at our Investor Day in December, and provided a restatement of historical results under the new framework via an 8-K filing last week. Our goal is to give investors more transparency into segment level profitability, and to isolate discretionary brand spend and its impact on the overall results. The definitions of these new measures and the products encompassed by each segment are clearly outlined in this morning's press release and you can reach out to Trent after the call with any specific questions. Let me first start with our Insurance segment, which continued to run with impressive results delivering revenue in the quarter of $70.9 million up 127% over the prior period or 37% on a pro forma basis. The profitability of the Insurance segment remained strong, with segment profit of $28 million or 39% of revenue. Many of the new initiatives we put in place throughout 2019 are beginning to materialize and the insurance business is off to a terrific start as we enter 2020. Second, the Home segment posted revenue of $65.5 million in the quarter up 3% compared to the prior year. Within Home, revenue from our traditional mortgage products, purchase and refi continued to accelerate growing 16% year-over-year after just returning to positive year-on-year growth in the third quarter. As a reminder, the Home segment includes purchase and refinance mortgage, home equity and reverse mortgage. The latter two were down significantly from Q4, 2018 and that's really a reflection of the market environment. More importantly, the profitability of the Home segment has rebounded incredibly well with segment profit of $26.9 million representing 41% margin and year-on-year growth of 25%. While we've certainly seen some favorability in the macro environment for mortgage, the team has executed incredibly well on a number of fronts to drive this return to growth and improve profitability. We spent much of the year discussing our efforts to better segment traffic at the top of the funnel and to use those learnings to improve our matching algorithms and optimize pricing. Those efforts have clearly begun to payoff and we're encouraged to see continued signs of strength in the mortgage business as we start the new year. And finally, in the Consumer segment, revenue of $113.4 million grew 15% year-on-year, while segment profit of $43.3 million declined 9% year-over-year. Let's put this drop in segment profitability in context. The challenges in the personal loan space were well documented last year. And we covered this extensively at our Investor day. They did persist in the fourth quarter as revenue growth slowed to 5% year-on-year. As we've discussed at length, personal loans are both incredibly strategic and a very profitable business for us. The slowing growth in that business has a material impact on overall profitability. On the positive side, as we progress through Q1, we've begun to see some encouraging signs of a turn in that business. And we're optimistic that the worst is behind us. Clearly, improvement in that key business will be hugely beneficial to our full year picture. The aspect of consumer that, we've not discussed in as much detail is the credit card business. Strategically, we were very happy with the topline growth in card in 2019. As the team posted better than 27% growth in revenue, but as we scaled to take market share with key issuers the profitability in the credit card business lag the topline performance. We acknowledge this at Investor Day. And we said that accepting lower card - lower margin in card was a strategic decision to take market share with key issuers. We've often spoken to the potential volatility in the card business and the fact that investors can and will - pardon me, issuers can and will flex budgets many times irrespective of the performance we deliver for them. That volatility was on display in Q4 as a couple of issuers pulled back budget materially toward the end of the quarter. In addition, we ran some challenges with certain marketing partners in the quarter which caused our unit costs to increase materially in the short run. Some of those costs challenges have extended into the early part of Q1. We think we have a handle on these issues on the cost side, but they did impact the business in the first half of the quarter. So this weakness is reflected in our first quarter guidance, which I'll discuss in a moment. On a much brighter note within consumer our small business offering continues to scale nicely with revenue growth of 61% year-on-year. We've highlighted the small business vertical often throughout 2019 and continue to be incredibly enthusiastic about our prospects in that business. It is clearly an underserved category for small business borrowers and there's a visible opportunity for us to expand the number and types of lenders we work with. Very briefly on the other category, which consists of non-core revenue streams, primarily the reselling of ads to third-parties, we recorded revenue of $5.4 million and a loss of $100,000. For context a year ago, this revenue number was $9.9 million. Given some of the marketing mix decisions we are making this year, we anticipate that this revenue will largely go away moving forward. Summing everything up, consolidated revenue of $255.2 million was up 26% versus the prior year, layering in brand expense $4.2 million in the quarter to the sum of the segment profits variable marketing margin of $93.8 million was up 19% over last year. And finally, in terms of adjusted EBITDA we delivered $45.9 million, growth of 17% over the same period last year and well within our guidance range provided in October. On a GAAP basis, net income from continuing operations came in at $1.5 million or $0.10 per diluted share. Our GAAP results were in part affected by a $7.2 million charge to write-up in fair value the contingent consideration related to the QuoteWizard earnout. On a non GAAP basis adjusted net income per share with $1.12. Now moving on to guidance, the trends we're seeing as we start out the year are encouraging and give us confidence to maintain the full year 2020 outlook, we provided just a couple of months ago at our Investor Day. As a reminder, that outlook calls for approximately 15% growth on both revenue and adjusted EBITDA and for the first time in the last several years does not include the benefit of acquisitions. Looking more specifically at our first quarter guidance introduced this morning, our overall outlook is in line with our internal plan for the year. Our full year plan contemplated muted EBITDA growth in Q1 given both that the Q4 trend in card and the typical step up in OpEx that we always experience in Q1. We are confident that we've taken the right steps to address the marketing issues in card and do not expect them to persist throughout the remainder of the year. On the positive side, both our insurance and mortgage businesses are trending ahead of the growth trajectories we provided with our initial 2020 guide at Investor Day. Out performance in these two businesses will be far more relevant to our overall 2020 financial performance. And we are also hopeful about an improvement in personal loans. For the first quarter, we expect revenue to fall in the range of $296 million to $306 million, which is the midpoint represents growth of 15% over the first quarter of last year. Variable marketing margin is expected to be in the range of $97 million to $104 million, representing 9% growth at the midpoint and adjusted EBITDA as expected in the range of $43 million to $46 million representing growth of 3% at the midpoint. Before we open the line for questions, I'd echo Doug's prior point about the importance of diversification. We are bound to feel volatility in a given business from time-to-time, but the diversification that we've put in place enables us to weather those blips, time and again. While our marketplace continues to improve what is most exciting at LendingTree is the opportunity to capitalize on our unique ability to engage the consumer across all of their financial needs. We are making big progress there and very excited about where we're heading. And with that operator, we can open the line for questions.

[Operator Instructions] Your first question is from Youssef Squali with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

This is Youssef Squali. Just a couple of questions here. I was wondering, J.D. if he could go back and just go over the two issues related to the profitability in the credit card. I'm not sure I fully understood that and what exactly are you doing to remedy that? And then maybe, Doug, there was an announcement of a pretty large transaction yesterday. I was wondering how that is likely at least in your mind, likely to change the competitive landscape in particular around verticals like credit cards, and whether your customer acquisition cost assumptions, basically had already taken into account the potential increase in competitiveness in that sector? Thank you.

Sure. Youssef let me start with the first one. In the card business you have to think about both sides. You have to think about the payout environment from issuers and how desirous they are growing certain card portfolios, and we've talked historically about rewards and balance transfers. That wasn't really the issue in 2019. The issue in the fourth quarter was essentially issuers reining in their budgets late in the quarter. That's the top line side of it. On the cost side, we've got to drive high quality traffic that when it gets to issuers converts and you have good approval ratings. We had a couple marketing partners that simply were not performing for us and we've recut some of those deals to improve the economics and better reflects the quality traffic that they were driving. In certain cases, we've cut off those marketing partners and we won't be utilizing that those traffic sources any longer. So effectively, we are constantly trying to optimize the marketing mix to make sure that we're driving traffic that converts for our issuers partners. Again throughout 2019 in the big picture, we took market share in card. We’re confident there. We drove revenue growth at 27%, we're confident there. We did make some conscious decisions to operate at lower margins in card throughout the year because that was the right thing for the strategy the business to gain presence with issuers late in the quarter some of those costs challenges. And actually, as I said it carried in through January, so those cost challenges became things that we had to address. And so we feel very confident we've addressed the cost side of the equation. Issuer behavior, it continues to be very much a month-to-month business. And so that's the piece that we have to - that we have to work with issuers on payouts and approval rates and otherwise, but we feel very confident with addressing the cost side of the equation.

And then this is Doug on the strategy side to answer your specific question on customer acquisition costs, I don't anticipate anything different there. And the reason is LendingTree has so many things that we can market. Kudos to Credit Karma for building a member base around free credit score. LendingTree by having all of our products plus My LendingTree app plus having all the brands. Plus, having our great SEO strategy helps us to not just drive app downloads, but also helps us drive first time customers and we think that's a competitive advantage. We're continuing to add new features to wrap this year. And our engagement numbers are actually very, very ambitious. And to the extent it makes sense. I'm really open in the future, we're going to be talking to you guys about weekly and daily engagement of customers. And again, to the extent it makes sense in some ways for loan products, you actually don't need to engage a lot, but for other types of products that we're thinking about more frequent engagement might actually make sense as well too. But now we feel great about our strategic positioning, none of this was a surprise to us, and it's go forward for us and we feel great.

Your next question is from Eric Wasserstorm with UBS.

A couple of questions please. The first, Doug you mentioned the B2B partnerships. Can you just go back to that for a moment and help us understand what's occurring there?

Sure. Essentially what you do is you work with people like Fidelity, H&R Block et cetera to bring alerts effectively to My LendingTree alerts for other financial products to their user bases. And we think just like Google at a syndication strategy, we think that's an integral part to doing that and we've got a lot of plans for that this year.

And maybe just moving to the personal loan environment, it sounds like J.D. there is some expectation of maybe some improvement there. And I just want to understand what end market dynamics are changing to that cause you to feel that way?

Yes, sure. So, as we talked about Investor Day, you're talking about a marketplace that was growing 30% in 2018. I think TransUnion data suggested it grew 9% last year. So that sort of marketplace deceleration is going to ripple through our business now.

Sure.

When we look out on the year, we look at lender what we call lender wins, where we feel really good about our progress in terms of adding unique lender capacity, and then how that will project through the year. So we're obviously monitoring performance. We are encouraged when we look at particularly January and February data on the stability of the business and how our lenders are performing. And so that's when I say that we're encouraged we know that our lenders are seeing good profitability again and that's encouraging. That's a good read through or leading indicator for our business. As we talked about in many of our marketplaces, we really focus on lender health. And lender health leads to stability and durability in each of our marketplaces. And so I think we feel unbalanced better about lender health and personal loans. I would also say that just purely for us, our comparison will get a little bit easier going forward realize that when we're talking about the fourth quarter, we're comparing to fourth quarter of '18 when our growth and margin and personal loans - it's a difficult comparison, those comparisons will get a little bit easier as we go through the year.

And the only other thing I'd add on to what J.D. said in personal loans, we're making a lot of product progress as well. And it really goes to how we integrate and work with our lending partners. And it's important that it helps drive conversion rates. But it's also - at least for me a really important indicator that these lenders are seeing this as a significant enough channel that they're really increasingly working on integration with us.

But in terms of this - this will be my last question. I'll hop off, but just in terms of the secular margin, because you guys have been very transparent about it. It's a very margin rich product for you. Should we think about there being any change outside of some of these cyclical dynamics in terms of the secular margin contribution from the product?

A little bit, there's a little bit of a normalization, I would call it Eric, but fundamentally that business is a good market business for us. We're very transparent at the reason why right? We're benefiting from repeat users, and we're benefiting from My Lending Group. So that is a structural advantage that we have in that business. I think that our margins in 2018 were probably higher than they will be going forward in that business. But we're happy to grow that business at the margins that we're having today. So that's the way that I would think about it, it's still a very healthy margin that will continue to be healthy margin, and we just want to grow the business and grow the lender.

And the only thing I'd add there is keep in mind that you've got personal loans, getting a lot of so called draft traffic from My LendingTree. And then in addition to that, we're marketing personal loans. However, the mix of that is obviously more weighted towards a second transaction at LendingTree but increasingly as monetization improves, and we can go market that product even more.

So in other words, I guess maybe just quickly to summarize, it sounds like well, there may be some end-market pressure that's being partially mitigated through some of these strategic actions that you've taken that a fair summary?

Yes, I believe so.

Okay.

Yes, I got something new.

The next question is from Jed Kelly with Oppenheimer.

First one, just on the margins guidance does imply that the margins start to expand year-over-year, can you talk about the drivers of that, is that more of an impact from My LendingTree of the overall environment improving? And then is there any way to quantify the impact these marketing partnerships add on 1Q and 4Q EBITDA?

Sure, let me take the second question first. And I think specifically, what you're referring to is in card. Had the card business so - I’ll give you a range of that impact because some of this is a real time decision that we're making intra quarter as to where we were constantly going after - VMD right. And we're making real time trade-offs, but the impact had the card business hit its targets in the quarter, you would have been looking at an incremental call it 5 million to 8 million of VMD. Okay, so you can factor - you could think about that relative to our quarter in terms of that impact. Now some of that obviously, we would have accepted for gains with certain issuers and some of it we obviously, we have standards where we want to operate certain businesses. But had they hit their targets, had the card business hit targets that's pretty much the impact $5 million to $8 million incremental yes. As it relates to margins go forward throughout the year clearly, well we have certain businesses that will contribute meaningfully in Q3 that will impact margin that will be the most impactful thing. And what we're tracking closely is the health in mortgage obviously we're very happy with that, in insurance we're happy with that margin profile. As we said, we think personal loan is stabilizing. And then basically getting back to a standard within card of reasonable margin which we think we should be able to do through improved marketing - on the cost side, you're going to see that normalization and in the margin profile and the improvement quarter-on-quarter.

So and just to follow up I guess there's nothing that's changed structurally in cards going forward on customer acquisition. This is mostly you think one-time in nature?

Yes within our control on the cost side for sure, yes.

All right and then just one more from me the home VM, and margins were strong this quarter is 40% the right way to look at it into 2020 just given that the environments improved?

It's interesting, the mortgage business is the one that we've encouraged you all to think about the quarter-on-quarter progress, right, because it really is the business that influenced by the capacity of our lenders and the organic volume that they have. And so, we're obviously in a very low rate environment that has its pluses and minuses. It's a good macro environment for us at the same time a lot of our lenders are going to be getting an awful lot of organic volume, so that doesn't necessarily always help us. Our margin improvement here is really driven by improved monetization. As we said, at the top of the funnel, we're segmenting the traffic ever more intelligently. And we're giving lenders, this the thing that I'm really excited about, we're giving lenders different products, different solutions that meet their needs, as opposed to being one LendingTree mortgage solution. So that's where you're seeing that profitability improvement. So we're in a scenario where the lenders are benefiting because they're getting what they want. And we're benefiting because we're segmenting the traffic, that's it. That is a repeatable margin improvement. It's not a zero some gain where we're making margin at the expense of lenders. So I feel very good about the health of that. And then there's just the sequential how this plays out relative to rates and how much volume they have organically. That's the part that's harder to call obviously we're an extreme low rate environment right now. On balance, it's helping us we're just - we're very focused on driving incremental quarterly improvement in the mortgage business and we're doing it through product innovation. And that's what we're really happy with.

And the only thing I'd add is over the years of our business you will see variable marketing margin percentages go - sometimes go up and sometimes go down based on the dynamics of that individual market. However, if you look at variable margin dollars - that is showing the called the marketing profitability contribution margin before fixed costs and that number is what we focus on every day, every month every week.

The next question is from John Campbell with Stephens, Inc.

On the 2020 guidance, you left that intact I just want to check on the inputs J.D. it sounds like you've kind of tempered your expectations a bit for credit card, but mortgage is incrementally better maybe acting I guess somewhat as offset is that a fair characterization?

Yes, I think the guide sort of - the guide in part contemplated some of the difficulty in card in the fourth quarter. The mortgages is definitively better insurance we talked about at Investor Day, we talked about implied growth rate there that is better. So, some of our bigger businesses are definitely trending better and we feel really good about that. As we've said, as it relates to guidance, we were going to amend guidance when we see a material change, right. The good news and what I would be focused on if you're thinking about how our year progresses is that those businesses are seeing better trends than they were when we spoke at Investor Day. So we feel really good about that.

And then on the other rev, it sounds like you're not going to really see much of that this year. Was that a decision that was made, kind of early this year was that reflected, originally in your guidance when you issued it back in December?

Yes recognize that other category yes, we knew that that line item was going to be pretty much going away. It's not as clean as going away December 31. So that other category was never really strategic. It was a marketing decision that we - would take on certain market marketing inventory if we could utilize it ourselves great. If not, we were reselling it and we were trying to be overly transparent in giving you visibility into that line item. And now as for the end of the day, what we're focused on is a marketing mix that drives our core business. And if that's not, if that is not working for our core business, then we're not going to take on that revenue and in turn resell it. So that's why it's going away.

Okay, last one from me on the credit card challenges and I guess some of the broader profit pressure in consumer. How much of that do you think is driven by the CECL accounting changes, is there an impact to the pricing just overall on the channel. As, I don't know if the ROI just kind of declines a bit for the larger issuers I don't know how much of an impact that has on pricing. Are you seeing anything there?

No, I think listen credit card in Q4 is always interesting and card is - keep in mind with cards and all of our businesses, a card issuer may switch from one type of card to another. And that card has a lower conversion rate with customers. And you're also going up against Q4 noise et cetera. So we continue to think our credit card penetration is going very, very well continue to clean up and make changes with the user experience. And I wouldn't read anything into much of anything over the long-term. J.D.?

I couldn't agree more.

Okay great thanks guys.

John, I don’t think yes not part of this year.

Your next question is from Mark Mahaney with RBC Capital Markets.

Two questions, please your - My LendingTree net ads - roughly 1.1 million ads in the quarter. I think that was a record high or is close to it. Any color on the sources of those net ads and are they acting similar to the My LendingTree new customers that you brought on in the past that's question one? The second one is you talked about trying to take market share with key issuers in the credit card segment in Q4. Do you feel like you were able to accomplish that, just yes, I know - the strategies become maybe more expensive or less efficient than you thought but did the goal of gaining greater market share with key issuers actually - did actually occur? Thank you.

I'll take the first one and leave the second one for J.D. if you can answer it. I believe the 1.1 was a record and if it's not, we will tell you. For the most part, they were still coming in through the LendingTree qualification forms and then we're introducing you to My LendingTree. So I would actually read that that number is very good, which is showing we got higher conversion rates despite the fact that the core business of LendingTree typically doesn't drive a lot of as much volume in Q4. And I would say the newer cohorts in general when you get apples-to-apples are actually performing better than older cohorts, and that's because the product continues to improve the monetization continues to improve and that should just continue to get better. And that's how we're able to market in Q1 against actual app downloads.

Mark as it relates to your second question on cohort market share wins, we look at market share, obviously throughout the year, not in a given quarter, because that's really progress from a sales perspective. And if we're getting issuers who increasingly trust us to be the partner with which they test new products, or give us better payer outs because they value the quality our traffic, right. So if I look at that, you would look at our revenue gains throughout 2019, 27 plus percent revenue in the card business. And so that's reflective of gaining market share, as we grow with issuers. Keep in mind that when we acquired Compare Cards in – late 2016, and we've been very open about this, greater than 60% of the business was with one issuer, okay. So this is an ongoing diversifier issuer based initiative or – pardon me strategy. And so on that score 2019 was a very good year. The fourth quarter is always a little bit challenging in all of our business because somebody can cut their budget or pullback their spend materially on short notice. And so, I don't look at the fourth quarter as being reflective of anything other than with that volatility. At the end of the day, we have to look at the full-year and what gains we made. In terms of market share with issuers we’re very happy with that.

Your next question is from Mayank Tandon with Needham & Company.

This is actually Kyle Peterson on for Mayank. Thanks for taking the questions. Just want to dive into the Insurance segment. Obviously, the results there have been very strong. Is that still mostly coming from auto or are some of the smaller verticals like home life and health kind of contributing there and two, just want to kind of get the puts and takes on what's the strength is there right now?

Sure, so the smaller verticals are doing great, but auto continues to be the worse. So the overall percentage has not changed. And auto – just because the autos strength remains very healthy so there's no material pains there. We’re happy with the performance in the other verticals. And we have plans for those other verticals that are very ambitious but no, the core is still on.

Okay, that's helpful. And then just wanted to see if you guys could touch a little on M&A, you guys have kind of talked about kind of additional points of interest kind of at your Investor Day various such as kind of auto or wealth investing. Just kind of see – want to see what like kind of what the pipeline is kind of what you guys are thinking about prioritizing from that perspective, kind of as we head into 2020?

Sure yes, absolutely. I'll take it and Doug can add. We continue to see M&A as a huge opportunity for us. We spent a lot of time in 2019 looking at a few categories clearly, because of our prominence and insurance, we looked at a lot of assets there. And we will continue to look at that business, but we're very happy with the core business that we have. We spend a lot of time looking at real estate, thinking that there should be some adjacency to our purchase mortgage business and decided not to do anything there. We’ll continue to look, but I don't see that as a huge focus area going forward. We mentioned small business, small business we like in the category very much. We're thrilled with the performance of SnapCap, we would – look to continue to add to that business. Partially because we think it's a category where we're adding a lot of value for the small business borrower that we think is underserved. We also know that small business borrower is a repeat customer and we also know that there's the ability to do more than just loans for small business – credit cards, you can see small business insurance over time. So that is an area that we're interested in. And lastly, we talked about wealth and investing. And I think this is a particular strategic significance. As Doug said at the outset, when we think about My LendingTree and we think about the engagement that we want to drive, we think about ageing the consumer on more than just credit products. And so over time, wealth and investing will be critical to that. So we continue to look at assets in that space, and how we could potentially drive. It is everything from how do we engage with a consumer within My LendingTree to also marketplaces for financial advisors that is a critically important area for us and something that we’ll look to grow. As Doug said, our goals for My LendingTree in terms of engagement are actually more ambitious than credit products, and you have to have the assets on the balance sheet to drive that engagement. So that is one key area when we think about M&A, we continue to look at assets.

Great, that's helpful color. Thanks guys.

The only thing I'd add on to that is M&A has worked well for us because we've got a big user base and a brand name in LendingTree that is already very well known. And so, we can bring these other companies in. And by virtue of having the entire platform and all the products being able to surround the customer, that just gives you a much better marketing edge and a better product for consumer. So as we look to help consumers make smart decisions, help them save money, help them get on the path of financial wellness. You can imagine all of the areas that we would want to be in. And then it's a question of whether you build them or whether you do some partnerships or whether you actually take the leap and do M&A. And I would say we've got a great track record on the latter to.

Your next question is from James Friedman with Susquehanna.

I'll just ask the two up front J.D. in your prepared remarks, you had referenced the talented speaker you had at the Analyst Day from TransUnion. The quote that she had was that it had gone, the end market for personal lines have decelerated from 30% growth to 9% growth. In terms of your comments about the Q1 I thought she had said that the banks were closing the credit box? Are you seeing any improvement there is that it – and then I'll just get the second one and quick? Doug, in one of your previous answers you had said that the latest cohorts in My LendingTree are better monetize them, botching the language with some of the ad effect? Why is that happening could you kind of elaborate on that, so, the first one on personal lines, next on the cohorts and MLT? Thank you.

Jamie, I was more commenting on the performance of lenders on our network in terms of conversion rate, cost per funded loan, et cetera. So that's where we're seeing, I think improvement for them. So it's less about credit box more about kind of how they're performing from a customer acquisition perspective. And that's what's encouraging right now. We have not seen a discernible change with respect to the credit box decisions about whether its banks or about – the more non-traditional lenders, we haven't seen a discernible change since December.

And then on the second question I would say, number one are the so called brand if you will LendingTree continues to get smarter, of how we can alert customers to actually save money or improve their credit and then save money through refinancing other loans et cetera. And then the other thing I would say is that as we continue to diversify products, we continue to integrate them with within LendingTree. All of those products drive more marketing opportunities to save the customer money and contact them via all the methods of contact to actually close more transactions.

Your next question is from Stephen Sheldon with William Blair.

Wanted to ask about the Credit Karma acquisition again. And you've talked about some, but it seems like there - they'll be trying to focus on at least some of the same consumer decisions that My LendingTree has helped consumers with. But just wanted to ask from a consumer's perspective, how you think about the value proposition of My LendingTree versus others that may be attempting to provide some more platforms that help with similar types of decisions?

Sure, so one thing I would say at the outset, you see a lot of crossover in these apps. So for over half of people who have My LendingTree download also have Credit Karma and I guess it's probably not half the other way clearly, but it's a different product. It's not mostly focused on credit score as a great way to drive people in, which is obviously is a great way to drive people in. And as J.D. talked about, we're really trying to focus on overall financial health and wellness. And then you also in our minds, we always focus on dollars not necessarily numbers, just like the good old days of the internet, where traffic sort of mattered to some people. We really just focused on how can, we profitably continue to go and drive this business. The consumers love our products who have it. It's saving them lots of money, it's improving their lives and as we continue to add products, which will improve monetization which should enable us to do more marketing. We feel honestly great about our progress and great about where we're going.

Got it, that’s helpful.

Steve, I guess I would just say if you go to My LendingTree app and you had your profile, you're going to see something that's a little bit somewhat differentiated. It's going to say ways to improve ways to improve your financial well, your financial well-being, your holistic approach, right. So we're focused on getting our consumers to plan with us and their financial goals. And you've heard us say for several years, we give the Credit Karma all the credit in the world in terms of using a free credit score to drive a membership base. But we think go forward, it needs to be that way more than that. And so that's what we've been working on. And we think we're making great progress on it.

Got it. And then within insurance, you talked about auto still being a predominant growth driver. But on the smaller components, like home and health, how much of a focus will it be to scale more in those areas over the next few years? And how are you thinking about, I guess, investing into those other components?

We're making investments specifically within health at the moment organically. So we're investing in that actually real time, building out that the health piece of it. This is the nice thing about how we can help catalyze and acquired business right. We can give them the resources to make those investments that they might not otherwise make when there's money to be made in auto. And so health specifically, we made an investment in the fourth quarter. That will continue to back throughout 2020. And home we’ll continue to try to find ways where QuoteWizard will benefit from graph traffic from mortgage that will be the primary you know, “investment” or resources that you'll see throughout 2020 that won't really be discernible. But we think that there's opportunity there over time. But health is the first real true investment that we're making.

The next question is from Kunal Madhukar with Deutsche Bank.

And if I may one on the on the My LendingTree side and one on the small personal loan side. So on the My LendingTree you talked about, like how you have six active partners or six active integrations of the partners and two of them are testing. And yet most of the traffic or most of the app download is coming through the My LendingTree website. So how do you measure the contribution from the partners, whether it is an app downloads or the revenue contribution? How do we kind of look at the partners. And then on the personal loans small business side, you have a number of lenders out there that like the Lending Club essentially just bought a bank. And there are other partners who are operating or active on your side that are looking at bank charters and what have you. So with more regulatory upside, how do you see their risk appetite in the future, their ability to charge interest rates, and how much they can actually spend on marketing on the platform?

Sure, so on the on the partnership front, keep in mind we did our first partnership in 2020 with H&R Block. So we've made tremendous progress in the number of those. And from a revenue standpoint, those are all on revenue shares so obviously no marketing risk. And the reason that most of our traffic comes from LendingTree is because we're driving people in for mortgages, home equity, auto personal loans and credit cards, and then introducing them to our app that they can - then download.

Kunal, let me put a finer point on the H&R Block point, H&R Block actually that partnership started in 2018. And they were looking for a way to engage.

With their launch in 2021.

At other points in the year, right other than tax time. But the sign-ups that we have had thus far in 2020 via that partnership have been extraordinary. And in fact thus far in 2020 it’s actually our number one source of downloads for My LendingTree. Now that is exceptional, we got a partner that's very happy because we've given them what they want, right and we're still actually having revenue events from people who signed up in 2018, which is the cohort behavior that we hope for. Now, more importantly, as it relates to My LendingTree what we built is when we talk about these partners, I wouldn't focus on six, what I would focus on is our strategy, which is we built it so that the API's are easily ingestible by our partners. And they can take what they want from it and build a business on the back of it. So, you're going to see partners, big brand names like H&R Block, and then you're going to see smaller partners who are going to utilize My LendingTree as well and so that’s the strategy. And that's what we've been building in the background is something where we can really engage with partners. That's what's been going on for the last 18 months at LendingTree right is you're not just - it's not just the - what's the consumer sees as the app. It's the ability to integrate with partners easily. So what took time to integrate with H&R Block in 2018, the timeline from agreement to the partner being up and running has shortened significantly. And so, I think what you're going to see as 2020 progresses is simply more partners and greater growth through those partnerships, because we're going to be able to onboard them much more quickly.

And coming from that, thanks for that answer, Doug and J.D. as you think of like, Intuit acquiring Credit Karma and potentially building maybe a similar kind of a comprehensive financial suite of products for consumers. How do you think the competitive landscape is going to change for you?

So this is interesting, I’ll give you a short-term or long-term answer, I think. Over 25 years, we've seen Microsoft come in into mortgage and real estate. Google was tried twice into it. This is their third or fourth shot depending on how you count mint. And we just keep chugging along and I think there's going to be competitors, but this is a big space and when you think of all the financial products that are surging through consumers and your ability to add value to them. We think that we will have a product that is every bit as competitive that is - as or more compelling to consumers that monetize as well. And that we can work with partners and we can drive it ourselves and I feel great about our positioning.

Okay thanks.

If anything, it makes me more confident to see that - some of the big boys are ready to play ball again and which I think is going to get. There's a lot of activity in this space and a lot of focus and that means that lenders are going to start getting more automated, it means marketing partners will understand this more and LendingTree is positioned everywhere across the board.

Thanks Doug. And one last one, the second question that I had initially raised was, as more and more of your - or as if some of your financial partners are either becoming banks or trying to get bank charters, how does that change their risk appetite and the speed and agility and their ability to spend on the platform?

I think it will help at the margin just because it will clean up for them for lenders, some reporting and regulatory issues. It's not a game changer and - but we think as I talked about for example, with personal loans, that just improving the user experience and conversion rates, that that will has way more juice if you will, and people have bank charters, but bank charters certainly do help their business.

Yes, I mean Kunal I guess one way to look at it, I know it's an interesting to see isolated decisions to go down that path. And clearly there are benefits associated. There are down – there are costs and their benefits associated with that decision. Why somebody's doing it, they're doing it to have greater stability and knowledge of what their cost of capital is. And so, if that's more stable and for them, they can make more consistent marketing decisions with respect to acquiring customers and so, in some respects, it could actually make them a better partner for us. But I don't think that's going to play out overnight.

No, and as I said, I don't think it's going to be a major game changer. But it's certainly a help.

Your next question is from Chris Gamaitoni with Compass Point.

Just one follow-up on partnership revenue given it’s a revenue split how is the accounting work, is it contra revenue item or is - the split in VM other expense?

Off the top of my head, I believe you book the revenue and then you book it as a marketing cost, it probably tracks pretty closely to it. Probably a little lower than normal VMM percentages, but also keep in mind the great thing about that is when you're marketing a lifetime value product like a My LendingTree, your marketing that alone, that's going to have that's going to take a while till that first cohort makes money and you're doing on a rev share, you're obviously making money from day one as well.

Right, so just to be clear, the revenue share is whenever product is purchased, and there's an actual item, there is no initial customer acquisition cost for the download or the customer?

No whenever we make money, we give them a percentage.

Your next question is from the line of Hamed Khorsand with BWS Financial.

So just first off, just wanted to ask does the changes in the traffic we are partners, this Q1 for credit cards, does that have any impact on the seasonality lift that you see in the segment?

I'm just trying to dissect the question I apologize, with respect to card seasonality?

Yes, correct right. Q1 is usually very strong quarter for credit cards?

Yes, so right now we've got it. Listen - if we're not happy with the performance of a given channel, we simply invest in another channel and replace that traffic. And so, as we look at - as I mentioned, some of that weakness persisted in January and we've taken action to correct it. And we've replaced those traffic sources with other alternatives. So it's really a marketing mix issue. So no, I don't think it's going to really play out other than we're going to fix the cost side of the equation for card.

And then is it purely the advertising spend that you're doing for My LendingTree that caused the subscriber numbers to increase from the Analysts Day to what you ended the year end number with is that trend going to continue in Q1?

No - I believe J.D. referenced this that we did some testing in Q3. And then we're doing actual spending in Q1. So Q4 was us doing good work.

Honestly, we think about it right. We - kind of relaunched the product middle of the year, I think we're benefiting from a better product as well.

Your next question is from Rob Wildhack with Autonomous Research.

You talked about the macro environment and mortgage a bit and we can obviously see the rate piece, but just wanted to see where we stand today and what you're seeing in terms of lender capacity in the eligible refi population?

Anecdotally, and then J.D. can get more specific. I'm hearing at least this channel transaction and things that we're talking about - hearing very good things and that our biggest lenders are in particular and obviously our smallest are asking for more volume. And I think, while capacity is constrained, my gut is telling me that every time we hit these bad things, capacity gets a little bit better and I think that's happening through automation. See if J.D. has any specific numbers on that, but it just seems like our lenders in refi boom which can handle more than they could have would say in the past. And then in the - when that goes away that there’s - that they can - that they're even hungrier.

Not surprisingly, the focus the lender focuses is entirely on refi. I don't have a current number for you in terms of those who would benefit from a refinance we can certainly get that, but it's, that's going to be a lagging number, given the movement in rates, but no, lender health feels very, very good and mortgage for sure.

And yes, there will be increases lender a bit - we’ll call that sort of lender ability, and if you're getting somehow home price appreciation, obviously reduction in rates, and through My LendingTree improvements in your credit score that definitely improves the lender ability.

And then just quick on the marketing partners and credit card that were underperforming, were there any similarities between the partners there? Was that related to any specific channel? Or was it broad-based?

Sure, mostly in display and some of the partnerships we've had there. So, if that's not working, we're not going to continue to support it. And so, that's where we've made some very conscious decision.

Your next question comes from Melissa Weddle with JPMorgan.

As we look at the new categories where you provided a little bit more transparency, and thank you for that, is there anything that you think we should be keeping in mind in terms of seasonality at the category level, throughout the year, in terms of revenue growth?

The biggest thing when we look at - when I look at like, people's quarterly progression despite all of our efforts for communication, people continue to underestimate the impact of students in the third quarter. So that is the most obvious one. When you look at our third quarter, and we always get the question of we’re feeling like the fourth quarter is kind of falling off a cliff relative to the third and that's really through student. Predominantly it's also the strongest quarter for a number of other businesses. That's the most obvious in the new segments so I think most of it will be somewhat muted that student continues to live in - in that consumer area. Don’t really see a tonne otherwise in terms of specific businesses with great seasonality that's the one that really impacts the quarter.

Okay. And then, I guess, a follow-up on that. Within student, did you say that most of the revenue from that category is driven by in-school origination? Or are you also participating in the refi space?

We certainly participate in both. The in-school was the third quarter impact. We acquired student loan hero in 2018 in - an effort to round out our business to have a more refi presence throughout the year. It has increased our presence obviously with our lender partners. But no it's, so we're in both aspects of the business for sure.

Okay. And then my final question would be around share repurchase. That's something you guys have done pretty opportunistically in the past. And I guess I'm trying to understand how you guys think about your willingness to repurchase shares, offset by any M&A transactions you may be contemplating. But then also, I'm wondering if your assessment of the value added, through share repurchase, is impacted at all by some of the transaction levels that we've seen recently, such as in peers?

Sure, so I guess - it's a good question. We obviously have a view on our stock always, but our decisions around share repurchase are not solely influenced by that, because we're cognizant of what we want to do on the M&A front. Now, if you look back, we've were a company that has acquired - we acquired nine businesses since 2016, most of those have been smaller acquisitions. And we can really move the needle with some of the smaller acquisitions. SnapCap being the most prominent example of that, but obviously as we become bigger. Those acquisitions will become larger and will be very conscious of having a balance. We did expand our revolver in the fourth quarter, and that was probably the greatest acknowledgement of the - what probably some of our goals are with respect to M&A and recognizing that's a strategic decision to make sure we have access to capital. We're generating cash and paying down the revolver, the revolver has served us very well. It enabled us to do - the revolver combined with the capital that we raised with the convert in 2017 enabled us to do the QuoteWizard transaction and the ValuePenguin transaction and we're now at the point where we've paid down the vast majority of that revolver. So the revolver has served us very, very well. But as we go forward as a bigger entity, obviously larger acquisitions will be part of it, and that will influence the way that we think about repurchasing stock. We have been opportunistic. We bought our stock back very well. We have a volatile stock and it served us well. So we'll continue with the same strategy, we have our internal kind of view on value. That's not the only way that we think about it. We have to think about what our alternatives are. And what alternatives might become. Now part of your question is also transactions away from us and I think the size of those acquisitions we have to be mindful of that. But we're going to look at those opportunities in isolation, not just the markets paying this and so we've got to pay this. That's not the way that we're going to look. We're going to look at what it does for LendingTree. And we've got a pretty good track record on the acquisition front.

Your next question is from Nat Schindler with Bank of America.

Two quick questions, one on the acquisition you guys alluded to Credit Karma buy into it. Do you have any information on the relative size of Credit Karma relative to you at this point across their businesses? No, they're particularly big credit card, but how would they fared in other parts of the business or at least how do you believe they have. Second question your QuoteWizard business has run very consistently, a great - very solid growth rates. And we see from a competitor up in Boston, EverQuote is less consistent, but right now is showing much higher growth rates, as you know, as you're 36% they did 86% this quarter in largely the same businesses. Do you see much what is change - anything changing in the market or have you seen any direct movement of advertising dollars from one to the other?

Nat, it's J.D. Let me take the second question first, and then we'll get to the Karma in a second. What we look at - when we look at EverQuote's results is not the growth rate, because candidly, they - if you're comparing their fourth quarter to their fourth quarter of '18, that was a pretty easy comp for them. So that percentage growth is a reflection of a weaker fourth quarter of '18. I look at the relative scale and relative profitability. And that's what we're focused on. At the end of the day, we acquired a profitable business and while EverQuote had good performance, I look at how are we doing in terms of market share? And how are we doing in terms of profitability. So that's what we're focused on when we look at our insurance division. And at the end of the day, you've got now with our new segments, the ability to have full transparency on our insurance business. And so we're really happy with their results, I wouldn't look at growth rates because there's just a lot of noise there. The second question was around Karma, let Doug address that.

Yes, I would add J.D. can chime in as well. Our understanding which first off, as I said before, there are numbers that came out were not a surprise to us. We believe we're roughly comparable, but what I focus on most is the number of products, the customer experience, and the amount of money we're serving people and how and how much we're improving and, and that is going very, very well. Anything else on that J.D.?

No, I guess I've been piecing the data points on Karma for the last couple of years. And when I say data points, at a conference, they'll reveal how much revenue they've got, et cetera. So yesterday, there wasn't a whole lot in the Intuit release other than a billion dollars in revenue and 20% growth. My understanding is that the vast majority of that is in credit card and personal loan again, that's not terribly surprising, there wasn't a whole lot of new information there. So our point of differentiation is obviously great diversification in terms of where our revenue sits, right, we've obviously built a very diversified business that we think leads to a more durable revenue model over time. And as you know, we're about a billion one in revenue, as Doug said very comparable with respect to revenue. There wasn't anything in the release with respect to profitability, and obviously, we're proud of our consistency there.

I am showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back to Doug Lebda, CEO.

Thank you all and thank you all for joining us. We had a wonderful 2019 as I said, and I'm really, really thrilled with how we're hitting in 2020. We've got such deep penetration across all of our loan products and insurance products and we are continuing to not only make product improvements in those areas, but also on the lifetime value product through My LendingTree, expect to see us make a lot more progress at a lot of new things, so that we can surround the customer with everything that we can do to help them make smart decisions at the most critical times in our lives. And just watch us and it's going to be quite exciting this year. Thank you all, and we'll talk to you next quarter.

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day. You may all disconnect.