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TriplePoint Venture Growth BDC Corp. (TPVG)

Q1 2023 Earnings Call· Wed, May 3, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the TriplePoint Venture Growth BDC Corporation First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines have been placed in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' remarks, there will be an opportunity to ask questions and instructions will follow at that time. This conference is being recorded and a replay of this call will be available in an audio webcast on the TriplePoint Venture Growth website. Company |is pleased to share with you the company's results for the first quarter of 2023. Today representing the company is Jim Labe, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board; Sajal Srivastava, President and Chief Investment Officer; and Chris Mathieu, Chief Financial Officer. Before I turn the call over to Mr. Labe, I'd like to direct your attention to the customary Safe Harbor disclosure in the company's release regarding forward-looking statements and remind you that during this call, management will make certain statements that relate to future events or the company's future performance or financial condition, which are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities law. You're asked to refer to the company's most recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. The company does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements or projections unless required by law. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements made during the call, which reflect management's opinions only as of today. To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit the company's website at www.tpvg.com. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Labe.

Jim Labe

Management

Good afternoon everyone, and thank you for joining TPVG's first quarter earnings call. During the first quarter of 2023, we continue to maintain our selective approach given these markets. We grew the portfolio to nearly $1 billion and generated net investment income or NII of $0.53 per share continuing to demonstrate the earnings power of our portfolio. NII for the quarter exceeded our quarterly distribution of $0.40 per share. Including TPVG's most recent distribution increase in March of this year, we have now increased our quarterly distribution to 11% since the third quarter of 2022. Based on our net income during the quarter, we realized a 17.8% ROE, which is the second consecutive quarter we've been above the 17% ROE level. We also achieved the weighted average portfolio yield for the quarter of 14.7% and our eighth consecutive quarter of increasing core portfolio yield. While credit was impacted this quarter, given the current down cycle in macroeconomic market conditions, our team is working through these events in this cycle as it's part of the multi-decade experience in venture lending and our long-term track record. Given the unprecedented developments at both Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank last quarter and extending right into this quarter at First Republic Bank, there are significant and lasting impacts from these events and we expect these developments will continue to have a monumental effect on our market. The demise of Silicon Valley Bank was a very unfortunate situation from an institutional and a human perspective. From a market perspective, it is turning into a major game changer that is significantly and potentially permanently altered the competitive landscape for venture lending, translating into what we believe are increased in growing opportunities for the overall TriplePoint Capital platform to capitalize over the long term, including a very…

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Thank you, Jim, and good afternoon. As Jim discussed, we continue to remain active in the venture lending market at our platform TriplePoint Capital, and maintain our extremely selective and focused approach with $199 million of signed term sheets with venture growth stage companies in Q1. Given TPVG's leverage position, we are selectively allocating new commitments to TPVG with the majority going to other vehicles on the TriplePoint Capital platform and as a result for the first quarter closed debt commitments at TPVG is totaled $4 million. During the first quarter, we funded $57.6 million in debt investments to 11 portfolio companies, landing at the lower end of our guided range for the quarter, which carried an adjusted weighted average annualized portfolio yield of 14.1% at origination. Of the obligors funded during the quarter, roughly half generate annualized revenues in excess of $100 million reflecting the increased size and scale of our portfolio companies. Our core weighted average portfolio yield for Q1 was 14.7%, which was up from 14.2% in Q4 and represented our eighth consecutive quarterly increase. Our Q1 portfolio yield does not yet reflect the 2 – 25 basis point rate increases announced in February and March, which will more meaningfully impact portfolio yields starting in Q2. As a result, we are optimistic for another quarter of increased portfolio yield and for portfolio yield to continue to stay strong in 2023 given the rate environment. Although we didn't have any prepayments in Q1, they continue to be a part of the business and we still expect at least one to two customer prepayments per quarter with one previously announced prepayment expectation of ForgeRock's $30 million loan in conjunction with closing their take private transaction in addition to others in the works. In terms of our expectations for fundings…

Chris Mathieu

Management

Great. Thank you, Sajal. And hello everybody. During the first quarter, we grew core income yields from our loan portfolio, we continued to diversify the portfolio and while we had elevated leverage as of quarter end, we now sit with a record portfolio size, a diversified capital structure, and ample liquidity to meet our targeted funding range. Let me drill down a bit more and share an update on the financial results for the first quarter of 2023. Total investment income was $33 million as compared to $27 million for the first quarter of 2022. Our core portfolio yield, which excludes the impact of loan prepayment income, was 14.7% on total debt investments as compared to 12.7% for the first quarter of 2022. The onboarding yields continue to be strong and stable. Operating expenses were $15 million as compared to $13.8 million for the first quarter of 2022. These expenses consisted of $9 million of interest expense, $4.3 million of management fees and $1.6 million of G&A expenses. Due to the shareholder friendly structure of our total return requirement under the incentive fee structure, our income incentive fee expense was reduced by $3.7 million during the first quarter. We earned net investment income of $18.6 million or $0.53 per share compared to $0.44 per share in the same period last year. Net change and unrealized losses on investments for the first quarter was $10.9 million, consisting of $6.6 million of net unrealized losses on the debt portfolio and $4.2 million of net unrealized losses on the warrant and equity portfolio, resulting from fair value adjustments. As of quarter end total net assets were $414 million or $11.69 per share compared to $420 million or $11.88 per share as of December 31, 2022. Our Board of Directors declared a regular quarterly…

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Finian O'Shea with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead with your question.

Finian O'Shea

Analyst

Hi everyone. Good afternoon. Question on leverage. Sajal I know you gave a couple guideposts on fundings and repays with ForgeRock and such, but where does that overall bring you for say, next quarter? And then where do you want the BDC to be in terms of net leverage right now?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Sure. Chris, do you want to actually take this question?

Chris Mathieu

Management

Sure, yes. So we are at 1.49x gross leverage. We do have cash on the balance sheet to essentially fund all of the current expected fundings for the next quarter. So Q2 we don't expect to increase leverage, but rather just use the liquidity on balance sheet. We would look to the prepayments that we mentioned as well as just normal cash flows from the portfolio in Q3 and into Q4. So really not expecting much movement in overall leverage over the next quarter or two. Depending on the prepayment activity that will depend on what would look – what we would look like at the end of the year as far as overall leverage.

Finian O'Shea

Analyst

Sure, that’s helpful. Thank you. And just a follow-up on the fundings both this quarter and for the anticipated ones this coming quarter, how much of that has been from previously underwritten, unfunded commitments?

Chris Mathieu

Management

Yes, well, I'd say here in Q1 and Q2 it's a hundred percent from existing unfunded – commit or 90 plus percent from existing unfunded commitments, given the slower pace of allocation to TBVG.

Finian O'Shea

Analyst

And just final question, any color you can give us on how much that reflects liquidity at the borrower level?

Chris Mathieu

Management

Yes, great question. So, I would say, given what I would say is lower expected utilization than we anticipated, I think, it's a function of the work that our portfolio of companies are doing to balance this growth versus cash burn rate. I think in this environment it's not growth at all costs. As I said earlier, I think, it's a balance between appropriate levels of growth, and having sufficient cash runway, plus having line of sight to EBITDA profitability or beyond. So, I would say lower utilization is just reflection of lower cash burn rates and more effective use of the existing cash resources and being more disciplined when it comes to their growth outlook.

Finian O'Shea

Analyst

Great. Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Crispin Love with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead with your question.

Crispin Love

Analyst

Thanks. And good afternoon everyone. Just first looking at asset quality, looking at your release, you have zero investments right now in the red category, but as you mentioned, three companies filed for bankruptcy since quarter end. And Sajal, you mentioned some comments on recovery for those investments, but can you dig a little deeper into that as to what types of recovery – what types of recovery you might expect on those investments on either a percentage or dollar basis, and then your confidence there?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yes, again, obviously these are ongoing situations and so it's hard to give full information just because they continue to develop. But I would say, as we said in our prepared remarks, I mean, I think, we generally are confident for or believe to see full or complete recovery, assuming facts and circumstances as of today in developments that we expect to occur.

Crispin Love

Analyst

Great, thanks, Sajal. And then just relatedly, can you speak to kind of your credit quality outlook broadly in the portfolio, just in the current environment, separate from those investments? And then just some thoughts if you think we would be seeing – if we might see additional bankruptcies over the near term just given the environment?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yes, let me start and then I'll ask Jim to jump in. So, I would say listen, I think, critical outlook for venture lending venture debt is a direct equity investment environment. And so I would say Q1 is absolutely a challenging – was a challenging environment for direct equity investing. I think, as Jim mentioned, due to market conditions and critical factors in the equity world and I think it was further exacerbated by the developments as Jim mentioned in the venture banking environment. So if you add that the month of March was very much a challenging time for both VCs, and venture bank and companies as they were sort of navigating the volatility and the uncertainty in that environment. And so I think what you saw is a lot of financing activity and other strategic events either paused or delayed and as just to see kind of things and conditions improve. And then those things either continue or not continue. And so I'd say again, Q1 in my opinion was probably one of the worst quarters from a direct equity investment environment because of all of those factors. As we look to Q2, Q3, and beyond, as Jim mentioned, I think, our select VCs are – they are deploying capital, they are being selective how they are deploying capital. And so, we have indicators to see that, listen, we think it's going to stabilize and then pick up, ideally over the course of this year and into 2024. As we look to credit outlook, again, I think, the really good news is that, our portfolio companies have been preparing and have been cutting burn, managing runway, adding capital to their balance sheets. And again, I think, a critical element was the other – the venture banking developments and the volatility and the uncertainty in Q1 brought a lot of things to the head. So, I think we are expecting stability when it comes to the rest of the portfolio. But again, it's all critical on direct equity investment activity, stabilizing and picking up over the course of the year for those companies that may not be profitable or have sufficient runway into 2024 and beyond.

Jim Labe

Management

Yes, and I think you covered it nicely. I can't really add much other than, again, there has been a pullback by some of the venture funds, no surprise in this market. But there is also, at the same time, companies are going through some stressful situations and continue to conserve cash, moderate their burn rate, revise growth plans to more moderate growth plans and work on the paths of profitability. But it's also got to be balanced by not only amount of dry powder, but within the portfolio, as I mentioned, there is a number of companies that are experiencing some tailwinds in this environment. And an example company today in the portfolio not public, but just signed a term sheet at an uptick, which given this environment is maybe some signs of where things are headed. Got it. Just working through the situations and the outlook looks pretty good in terms of the end of the year 2024 for tech investing.

Crispin Love

Analyst

Thank you guys. I really appreciate the time, Jim and Sajal.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Kevin Fultz with JMP Securities. Please go ahead with your question.

Kevin Fultz

Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon and thank you for taking my question. There's a figure in the PitchBook NVCA Venture Monitor that highlights the funding gap that has recently accelerated within late stage VC. Essentially the figure shows that late stage capital demand to supply ratio reached a decade high in the first quarter of 2023 at just about 3.2 times, which compares to 0.9 times in the first quarter of 2022. I'm curious what your view is on the shift in capital availability for late stage companies both what you're seeing in the market within your own portfolio, and what that could mean in terms of portfolio company liquidity, should the trend in capital demand to supply remain in balanced, or I guess even deteriorate further? Thank you.

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yes. Kevin, that's a good question. So I would say a couple of factors as we look to the later stage companies, right? Those are companies where the valuation methodology is probably more reliant on the public comparables and the public multiples. And so I think the challenges again as Jim alluded to, there is a mismatch in terms of where prior round valuations were during 2021 and 2022 for a number of these companies and where multiples are today. And so the playbook for those companies is, you've got to make the decision. Will you grow into your current valuation? And if so, then the playbook is, listen, how can we extend runway, add some incremental capital from your existing investors to get, and then hope for multiple – some multiple recovery. But fundamentally it's just a function of time and your valuation is not an obstacle for raising incremental capital. I think for other companies where, listen they were valued on robust multiples that may not come back or are on growth rates that are not capable in this environment. They have to make the hard decision of; do you do the down round? Do you do other forms of financing flat rounds with preps? And so, so I think that it's a valuation issue for a number of companies. And then I'd add the other element of it is, the participants in that stage of the market included venture funds, PE funds, hedge funds, crossover funds. And so I'd say, again given the multiple compression a number of those non-traditional participants experienced major markdowns on their public book, have marked downs on their private book, and so they're currently not as active as they used to be. And so that's also what's causing the shortfall or the mismatch in the demand versus supply. So what you need is you need time to transpire, you need multiple accretion, you need good data points, you need good companies to come to market. And so I'd say again that's why we're expecting to see this recovery come later this year not in the next quarter or so. But later this year into 2024 is a number of those factors all improve income together.

Jim Labe

Management

They also tend to be opportunities for us to look at. The key is selectivity and being highly selective, but these are actually opportunities as well for our venture lending in the pipeline.

Kevin Fultz

Analyst

Great. I appreciate your insight there. And I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Ryan Lynch with KBW. Please go ahead with your question.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst

Hey, good afternoon. My first one just has to do with given your current leverage ratio of 1.49 times and around $175 million of unfunded commitments that are aligned on any certain milestones. Is it fair to assume that throughout the majority of 2023 that new funding will primarily be to existing portfolio companies and you'll use repayments and prepayments pretty much too just deleverage the balance sheet?

Jim Labe

Management

Yes. I think that's correct.

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yes, I think that's right.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst

Okay. And then the other one that I had, I'd love to just hear and I get it, it's sensitive but – so if you can't come, whatever you can say is fine, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on investment like The Pill Club. I mean, there's been articles out there that talk about the bankruptcy and a huge decline in revenue as well as huge legal fees in that business. Now, I can't see – I don't see it’s financial, so I don't know if they're sitting on a bunch of cash or something like that or your loan is over collateralized, but something like that. But I guess what gives you the confidence to mark that investment where it is as well as there's other loans in the portfolio that are in bankruptcy or in the process of bankruptcy that you guys have marked pretty close to par. What in either the pill - The Pill Clubs specifically or any other investments that that are going through this period, it gives you the confidence kind of mark on where you are despite sort of these fundamental deterioration and the…

Jim Labe

Management

Yes. Ryan, let me answer that. I think a great question. So I have to remember that they're easier paths to – if you wanted to shut down a company that you don't necessarily go through the bankruptcy process. So from our perspective in collaboration with the company’s investors to select these C funds, you look at when there's value there's interest in those assets, there's value in those assets and you look at what's the best path to free-up those assets to either reemerge or to sell to other parties. So I would say there's a playbook in managing stress credit situations, and it's a function of our assessment of underlying value and our playbooks with our teams. And so, so I would say the – and then as you look to the method by which you look to recovery as you said, right there are various assets these companies have. In certain cases when we're doing inventory financing, we're secured not only by a formula based financing for that inventory, so we're not financing 100%, generally it's a discount. So we're secured by that underlying inventory, plus we have the enterprise too. So as you look to recovery its great, the underlying asset that we financed and then the value of the business, the intellectual property whatever it may be. When you look to as again, other scenarios, right? There's a liquidity, there's cash and so again you look through the benefit of liquidation process is an orderly way to unlock those assets to the senior creditors. And then again, I'd say more broadly, when you look to acquirers out there in this environment, they generally want things clean and free. So again, I think a bankruptcy process and for companies themselves, right, there's a way when there's strong, solid fundamentals of these businesses, but they may have unsecured claims or creditors. And so going through the Chapter 11 process in general is a way to again, cleanse, clean up, restructure secured debt and then come back and again give it another shot or sell to other companies. So again I think that, it's our team's assessment of the playbook, the path and the underlying assets. And in collaboration with our companies, we determine the course of action and that's how we look to set our fair values based on assessment of the probabilities, and the likelihoods and the values of those assets.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst

Very well detailed, I really appreciative your comment. And then just one last one if I could, you mentioned you think investment momentum meaning venture capital and investors that momentum potentially picking up later this year into 2024. I'm just curious what are the drivers behind that, that position just because it seems like most of the indicators today seem that things are just going to get tighter sort of throughout the year with probably continually fairly high rates of slowdown in the economy. There's obviously been stress in the lending system and then probably some realized losses in some venture capital equity portfolios. So it just seems that obviously I know you'd like that that investment activity to pick up later in this year in 2024, but I guess, what are the factors that that you think could reverse and make that the case?

Jim Labe

Management

I can grab that and feel...

Sajal Srivastava

Management

I did wanted...

Jim Labe

Management

Yes. Feel free to add Sajal but, venture capital investing is about the long-term and it's for the long-term, and these are typically 10-year plus in investment funds and they're looking at the future. They're not looking at this quarter or today's interest rate increases. Those are not factors. What are the factors are? Well one, there's about $300 billion plus of dry powder that is looking to get deployed. Two, we are headed in terms of my rounds towards more of a call it a irrational or reasonable valuation type market after the highs of the recent past, and so there's another momentum for investing. Three is tech investing is not dead and if anything, it – as folks look towards efficiencies, particularly if we head more towards a recession and everything else as artificial AI, which is all the conversations and kind of the new environment here proposed the last, very high couple of years of valuations is something that's very appealing because these are investments in three, five years or whatever may be IPOs. And so there's opportunities and I'll just finish, feel free to add Sajal but some of the best investments we've done historically here at TriplePoint as well as within the venture lending decades have been investing in these down cycle periods. We're in a down cycle and some of the best tech successes of the past were born perhaps 2008, 2009 and so forth. So there's a lot of things shaping up ripe for venture capital investing in later this year, next year and the future.

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Yes. I mean, I'll only add two things. One is we're also gleaning these insights, Ryan from conversations with the fund themselves, and I'd say it's a function. What we're seeing is the clear the more experienced funds that have weathered the storm that have been through cycles definitely view this environment that has having the potential for opportunity of some of the, the best deals to get done, but it's a question of when do you capitalize? It's not necessarily the second, but its building and I think that's what we're talking to is that momentum is building over time as quality companies and new entrepreneurs come to market. And then I'd say the other piece of it is just from the communication to their investors. So to their [indiscernible] LPs venture fundraising. Given the fundraising that's going on and the marketing and the messaging, they're also signaling that they do expect it to pick up and that they expect, 23 vintages, 24 vintages really to be some of their better vintages given the environment.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst

Okay. I appreciate the time this afternoon.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Casey Alexander with Compass Point. Please go ahead with your question.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

All right. Good afternoon. Is it safe to say that RenoRun, Underground and Hey Favor will all go on non-accrual in the second quarter?

Jim Labe

Management

Unless something – yes, so unless something happens more immediate that that would be a fair assumption?

Casey Alexander

Analyst

Okay. Secondly, in relation to Hey Favor and rolling back to Medly Health, in both cases there were some form of management fraud that contributed to the situation. And it looks to me like they came out of the same underwriting pod. I mean, is there a flaw in your underwriting process that you failed to pick up on the situation that they existed in Hey Favor and Medly Health?

Jim Labe

Management

Okay. Sajal will answer.

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Absolutely not. Again, we stand by our underwriting and our track record, again as you look we've had 170 obligors or borrowers at TPVG we've had credit losses in roughly 10 to 11. Our loss rates are 3% of commitments, 2% of funding, so I would say the data speaks for itself that our underwriting and our track record over the long-term works. And so I'd say that's first answer. I would say, again we're not suggesting at both companies where they're fraud, I think Medly, it's again in the public – in the filings not suggesting fraud at Hey Favor, and again, I think all are unique circumstances and situations.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

All right. Okay. I'll, I'll stop there for now. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead with your question. Mr. Nolan, your line is open.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

Sorry guys. Is VanMoof and IQ, the two Canadian companies that you were discussing earlier in terms of going into the bankruptcy process?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

No, no. The one Canadian company was RenoRun.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

Okay. So VanMoof [ph] and HighQ [ph], which I believe are both non-accrual this quarter are completely separate from that.

Sajal Srivastava

Management

They're not – they did not file for bankruptcy. Correct.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

Okay. Any details you can provide on that or is that something to that?

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Again, as we mentioned during the prepared remarks, I think they were downgraded due to just challenges in their market environments and some of their performance as well as their financing processes.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

Okay. Okay. That's it for me. Thanks Sajal.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Jim Labe for any closing or marks. Please go ahead, sir.

Jim Labe

Management

Thank you, operator. As always, I'd like to thank everyone for listening and participating in today's call. We look forward to talking with you all again next quarter. Thanks again and everyone have a nice day. Goodbye.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.