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Teekay Tankers Ltd. (TNK)

Q2 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 7, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Teekay Tankers Limited Second Quarter 2014 Earnings Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Now for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Kevin Mackay, Teekay Tankers Limited's Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

Ryan Hamilton

Analyst

Before Mr. Mackay begins, I'd like to direct all participants to our website at www.teekaytankers.com, where you'll find a copy of the second quarter 2014 earnings presentation. Mr. Mackay will review this presentation during today's conference call. Please allow me to remind you that our discussion today contains forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from results projected by those forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from those in the forward-looking statements is contained in the second quarter 2014 earnings release and earnings presentation available on our website. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Mackay to begin.

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · Evercore

Thank you, Ryan. Hello, everyone, and thank you very much for joining us on my first earnings release conference call as the new Chief Executive Officer of Teekay Tankers. With me here in Vancouver is Vince Lok, Technical Teekay Tankers' Chief Financial Officer; and Brian Fortier, Group Controller of Teekay Corporation. During today's call, I will be taking you through Teekay Tankers' second quarter 2014 earnings results presentation, which can be found on our website. Beginning with our recent highlights on Slide 3 of the presentation. Teekay Tankers reported an adjusted net loss of $0.05 per share in the second quarter, compared to an adjusted net loss of $0.08 per share in the same period of the prior year. Cash available for distribution, or CAD, was $0.11 per share in the second quarter, up from $0.07 per share in the same period of the prior year. The increases were primarily due to stronger Suezmax, Aframax and LR2 spot tanker rates earned in the second quarter of 2014, partially offset by a decrease in recognized interest income as a result of the monetization of the company's investment in term loans this past March. For the second quarter of 2014, the company declared and paid a quarterly dividend of $0.03 per share. Since inception, Teekay Tankers have declared dividends in 27 consecutive quarters, which now totals $7.365 per share in dividends. Teekay Tankers' dividend is currently fixed at an annual level of $0.12 per share, payable quarterly. Teekay Tankers realized a $10 million gain on the sale of 2 2010-built VLCCs in the second quarter, which previously secured our investment in term loans. Since gains resulted from the sale of assets are not typically included in CAD, this amount has been excluded from our CAD per share result that I quoted earlier.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today will come from Jon Chappell with Evercore.

Jonathan B. Chappell - Evercore Partners Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Evercore

Kevin, you've only been in the role for a couple of weeks now, maybe a couple of months. But I just wanted to get your views coming from a customer, any surprises that you've seen, either good or bad, being on the operator side? And just kind of what's your, call it, 3- to 5-year strategy for TNK?

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · Evercore

Thanks, Jon. Yes, it's actually Day 48, I believe, I've been in the role. So still asking a lot of questions, still formulating opinions on various topics, as I learn more about the organization. I think just a general comment that having competed against this organization as an independent shipowner on the other side, as well as seeing it from the customer-facing side, my regard for Teekay was always held very highly. And the last 48 days have not only not changed my opinion on that topic, but actually enhanced my opinion. So very, very positive in terms of what I've seen so far. I think like any organization, we have work to do. And as I touched on a couple of key areas that I think you'll probably hear me repeat over the course of time, I think Teekay Tankers, specifically, our focus will be to drive and really execute on operational excellence. I think it's imperative, as the world's leading tanker brand in this segment, that we operate our ships safely and reliably. I think our customers and our stakeholders demand that of us, and I think it's our license to operate. So I will be focused very heavily on OE and I'll be speaking to that in the months and years ahead. Clearly, I have an intention to grow the organization. I think the company has done well to weather the storm of the tanker markets over the last 5 years with a good solid strategy that maintained our presence in the market, while some of our competitors fell away. But now, coming in, it's time to look for growth. And I think that will focus primarily on customers and the relationships that we already have with some very good oil companies and oil trading and oil refining companies. We're also looking at the new trade patterns that are emerging, and I think we'll be focusing on new customers and developing new and strong relationships in order to employ our fleet as we grow into new markets and new areas. So I'm excited to be here. I'm looking forward to putting the company back on a path of growth. And from what I've seen, I'm confident that Teekay Tankers has a really bright future ahead of it.

Jonathan B. Chappell - Evercore Partners Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Evercore

Great. And then on the time charter-in strategy, is a little new. I'm sure maybe that was in the process before you started, or maybe not. So I just wanted to hear your views on, given where the capital structure stands today and the potential for growth through traditional asset ownership versus time charter-in, where do you think a lot of time focusing right now?

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · Evercore

Well, I think the -- yes, the strategy of in-charter was started probably in the late spring, and has really ramped up in the last couple of months and will continue to do so as we go forward. If you look at TNK as a long-term play on the market of the tanker market, I think we've got several levers at our disposable that we can utilize to manage the portfolio at various points in the cycle. So whether it's capital investment through newbuilds or secondhands, we have the avenue to look at time charters, which we've been doing, which requires no capital investment and gives us an agile and prompt response to where we see the market moving in the near term. We've also got our growth for fee revenue businesses through our expansion of our pools and technical and commercial management expertise. And we've also got the avenue of our investments through companies like TIL. So to my mind, as I come into the organization, it's not just solely looking at one of those levers, it's managing the portfolio at any given point in time through the cycle, and pulling or pushing based on the opportunities that present us.

Jonathan B. Chappell - Evercore Partners Inc., Research Division

Analyst · Evercore

Make sense. Just one last one, and feel free to use Vince to help out with this one as well. But just as you think about that and then as it relates to the capital structure, been able to delever a fair amount just recently, thanks to the sale of VLCCs, how do you think about the balance between using capital to grow at this point of the cycle, versus also maybe taking the leverage down a little bit, especially as we slowly creep towards 2017 and the bigger bullet payment in that year?

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · Evercore

Yes, I'll kick it off, then I'll hand over to Vince. I think, certainly, my approach will be to have a strong financial discipline on the organization. And in looking at our current capital structure, as the market improves and we generate higher cash flows going forward through that market recovery, I think some of that leverage -- we'll use some of that cash to pay down our outstanding revolver. And then going forward, we'll analyze acquisitions and opportunities to grow the fleet using our capital structure and our relationships with the banks. Generally, I think it will be a team approach, utilizing good relationships that our sponsor has in Teekay corporation with banks, as well as our management approach to a balanced capital and financial strategy.

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Evercore

Yes, just to add to that. As you said, Jon, we did delever the balance sheet recently with the sale of the 2 VLCCs for $154 million, and that has provided us with lower debt balances, as well as higher liquidity. So as of June 30, we have about $250 million of liquidity. So we have the near-term liquidity to take advantage of opportunities. And as Kevin mentioned, the higher cash flows is also being retained to reduce our debt levels and further strengthen our balance sheet, as well as the cash flows from the Teekay operations. So I think we're in fairly good shape in terms of our capital structure right now.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from Donald McLee with Wells Fargo.

Donald D. McLee - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Wells Fargo

So first, I just wanted to focus on growth, and given the recent strength in the Suez and Aframax rates over the last quarter or so, do you expect growth going forward to be focused in the crude or the product tanker segment?

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · Wells Fargo

I think just to make a general comment first before I go into detail on the sectors. I think as management, it's incumbent upon us to keep an open mind and to pay attention to what is going on in tanker market generally. You can only look to Kodak and the Polaroid camera to see what a blinkered strategy or a blinker view can happen to a company. So I think we'll always pay attention to what is going on around us, but we also have to understand where our core competencies lie, and for TNK at the moment, that is in the Suezmax space and the Aframax space. So as we look to grow the company, it will be primarily focused in those 2 areas. But I also think as we look at the fundamentals in those 2 sectors specifically, I think they offer the best value creation going forward.

Donald D. McLee - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Wells Fargo

That make sense. And I guess, within that the Suez and Aframax asset classes, is there a preference between newbuild and secondhand tonnage?

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · Wells Fargo

I think if you look at asset prices, newbuilds are somewhat closer to their 10-year average, and there's some new regulations coming in that might increase the cost of newbuilding asset post-2017. On the other hand, secondhand values are trading at 30 to -- 25% to 30% below their 10-year average, so that does present, at this point in time, a better value proposition. But as I mentioned, and the answer to one of the previous question from Jon, I think that will change over time. And as -- if we take a portfolio approach to the way we manage our organization, we'll be evaluating both of those assets classes and making -- trying to make the right calls as we go forward.

Donald D. McLee - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Got it. And then is there a long-term fleet target in time -- in mind?

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · Wells Fargo

No, there's not a particular number that we're aiming to grow to. I think a lot will depend on how trade patterns evolve and where we feel that we can gain scale and market exposure, as well as availability of cargoes and relationships we build with our customers. We can also look to our pools and growing the organization through asset purchases or newbuildings or time charters, ignores the fact that we also have 3 very good reputable pools that can bring owners into our scale and also provide TNK with some fee-based revenue.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from Nish Mani with JPMorgan. Nishant Mani - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: I want to follow up on the prior 2 questions and your response as it relates to asset values. I mean, you noted that secondhand asset values remain relatively attractive, compared to newbuilds, yet you guys have embarked on a spree of charter-ins. I kind of wanted to get a sense of, if we can read between the lines and think that you think those -- by chartering in vessels right now there's further downside in the asset value before things begin to really recover.

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · JPMorgan

No, I think -- I can't speak to the months before I came in, but I think the strategy to look at term chartering-in vessels is quicker. We saw the market picking up in -- or expect it to pick up in the fourth quarter, we moved very quickly and very decisively to bring in 6 additional ships. So I think it was more a function of the ability for the organization to be agile and take advantage of where we saw some very low and valuable rates on the time-charter market. Nishant Mani - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Okay. Because you mentioned that there is a degree of liquidity the company has now. And so, if and when you do this find assets that are attractive in both valuation and quality, you would be willing to spring forward and pick up a few more.

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · JPMorgan

Yes, I think if the right deal comes along and we can structure in such a way that it's accretive to our earnings, we'll certainly will look at any avenue. Nishant Mani - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Okay, that's helpful. And kind of taking a step back and thinking about the market from a broad perspective, how concerned are you that the kind of incumbent recovery, such there is one in the back half of this year or early next year, is largely supply-driven, supply-side driven and that the demand trends are rather ephemeral? And if that's the case, do you think the recovery could be sustained and create a buoyant rate environment into the going quarters?

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · JPMorgan

Yes, I think generally speaking, on a macro level if you will, the global economy continues to grow and take ahead of a 4% rate going out through the next year or 2. Along with that, and correlated is oil demand improvements. But I think one of the significant macro structural changes that we're going to see in the next 3 to 5 years this displacement between where the new oil production is coming online and where it's being refined. 67% of new oil production capacity is west of Suez, and 75% of all the new refineries being built are east of Suez. So that speaks to an east -- I'm sorry, a west to east flow of oil, which is positive for tanker demand in the long run. Nishant Mani - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Okay, that's helpful. And just a final point on the financials. I guess, TNK's share price has been a little of volatile over the past, call it, 12 months or so, and that's kind of broadly in line with the tanker market as we think about it. I mean, at what point do you guys think about kind of shareholder-friendly practices to buying back shares at some point with that good liquidity, or increasing the distribution to shareholders? Is that something that you guys are thinking about discussing at this time?

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · JPMorgan

I think as the market improves and we generate increased cash flow, I think, as Vince spoke earlier, we will use that to pay our existing revolver and strengthen our balance sheet. I think that will be in the near term the focus. But going forward, we will develop a financial strategy that looks after shareholders, whether that's through increased growth, through vessel acquisitions or otherwise. Vince, you want to comment?

Vincent Lok

Analyst · JPMorgan

Yes, we had a lot of options available to us. But as we indicated, when we changed our dividend to a fixed dividend several, I guess, 1.5 years ago, the idea there was to retain the operating cash flow so that we can use that to better use to grow the fleet and create more shareholder value. So in the near term, that is the strategy in terms of the dividend policy. And so we're mainly using that cash flow for growth.

Operator

Operator

Your next question will come from Shawn Collins with Bank of America.

Shawn Collins - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America

Can you just talk about the extent of the summer slowdown that you're seeing in the third quarter and compare that to past summer seasons? I know on Slide 6 you referenced the strongest July since 2008. So that is a nice surprise, but can you just comment on the current market dynamic?

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · Bank of America

Yes, I think if you look historically, the third quarter is never usually an exceedingly strong one, where you have a quiet period in the market and you get through before the typical winter spike. And this year, I think what we saw changing in that was fundamentally a stretch in both the Suezmax and Aframax fleets because of the combination of the factors. I think if you look at the Suezmax fleet, you had refineries coming back online which -- from the summer -- early summer and spring turnarounds and that caused more volume cargoes to be moved. I think we've seen an increase in volume, particularly from West Africa to Asia, and from Europe to Asia. Taking the example of the Indian imports, West Africa to India volumes are up to 600,000 barrels a day in July, which is the highest level we've seen in this period for the last 3 years. On the Aframax side, I think it was more a story of regional pockets of disruption, where in U.S. Gulf you had tank top situations, which backed out turnaround times on ships, where vessels are experiencing delays of 8 to 12 days during the month, and that obviously soaks up a little of the tonnage supply. But I think going forward, while the current market is probably returned more to its normal third quarter levels, other than the U.S. Gulf, where it's still holding in the mid $20,000, $25,000 a day range, I think the market generally had settled back into its normal third quarter pattern. Having said that, I think the market will firm, and I'm positive that the outlook will be good going into the winter months.

Shawn Collins - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America

Great, that's helpful. And glad to hear that the summer was more active than usual. So changing subjects slightly. I know you just closed on August 1 the acquisition of 50% of Teekay commercial and technical operations. Can you just provide a few highlights for how this will change your operations going forward, as you think about operations in the past?

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · Bank of America

Well, I think the drop-down or the purchase, if you will, from the corporation to TNK at a high level is really -- is a positive signal that our sponsor is still supportive of the original Teekay Tanker franchise. And I view that very positively. I think it demonstrates ongoing support for their conventional tanker business from our sponsor. But I think if you actually look at where the Teekay operations is, its revenue is generated through our 3 pools that will now flow 50% into TNK. And in terms of the people, it's the same people really doing the same jobs. Now it's just the outcome of their efforts and their capabilities and their expertise will now flow half to TNK and half to Teekay Corp. So fundamentally, how we approach the operations and our application of our technical expertise and commercial acumen won't change.

Shawn Collins - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America

Okay. Great, great. That's helpful, it makes sense. And just last question, I know there's clearly uncertainty over the Libyan fuel supplies. Can you comment on your understanding of the situation there and when you think it might or might not resolve itself?

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · Bank of America

No, I wouldn't -- there's probably people out there that can answer that in a lot better detail than I can from a political standpoint. What I will comment on is the uncertainty is causing a lot of disruption in the market. And I think we saw that in July when it appeared that production was -- or Libya -- Libyan ports were open for business and customers were given dates to load cargoes and reached out into the market to cover those, and then some of the barrels weren't available or the dates changed. And that caused an awful lot of uncertainty in the market, which drove sentiment and drove the spike that you saw in the Mediterranean. So I think as long as the Libyan situation remains fluid, and I don't have a view on how long that uncertainty will last, that in a sense, is positive for tanker markets, specifically Suezmaxes and Aframaxes. It's driving European refiners to buy more oil from West Africa, which is increasing the ton-mile. And going into the fourth quarter, I think that'll be another positive development of what drives the market up.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question will come from Sherif Elmaghrabi with Morgan Stanley.

Sherif Elmaghrabi - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

This is Sherif on for Fotis. I think you guys have touched on the majority of my questions. But I just got one. Going back to your purchase of your technical operation from Teekay, I realize the operations don't change very much, but can you go into a little bit more detail on how you expect that to impact cash flows going forward? Will you make anything on it or perhaps take a loss?

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

You want to take that?

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yes, we've given guidance that, currently, we expect TNK's 50% share to generate about $2.5 million per annum of cash flows, so that's say, call it, $600,000 roughly per quarter at the current size of the pools. But if we are able to continue to grow the pools, as well as a portion of the pool revenue is a percentage of gross revenues, or TCE rates. So part of that income will actually correlate with spot tanker rates. So there's certainly potential upside to that $2.5 million going forward.

Operator

Operator

And we seem to have no further questions at this time, I'll turn the call back over to management for any closing comments.

Kevin J. Mackay

Analyst · Evercore

Okay. Thank you very much for dialing in on my first earnings conference call, and I look forward to speaking with you in more depth at our Teekay Investor Day at the end of September. Thanks again.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference call for today. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines, and have a great day.