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Taylor Morrison Home Corporation (TMHC)

Q4 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 12, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Taylor Morrison’s Fourth Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would like to introduce Ms. Erin Willis, Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications.

Erin Willis

Management

Thank you, and welcome to Taylor Morrison’s fourth quarter earnings conference call. With me today are Sheryl Palmer, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Dave Cone, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Sheryl will begin the call with an overview of our fourth quarter 2013 results. Dave will take you through a detailed financial review as well as our guidance for the first quarter. Then Sheryl will provide some detail around our land activity and outlook for the coming year after which we will be happy to take your questions. Please note that some of our comments on today’s conference call refer to non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe provide useful information for evaluating our business performance. This information should be considered as supplemental in nature and should not be considered an isolation or as a substitute for the related financial information prepared in accordance with GAAP. In addition, these non-GAAP financial measures may not be the same as similarly entitled measures reported by other companies. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are available on the Investor Relations portion of our website at taylormorrison.com and in our earnings release. Finally, please keep in mind everything we cover during today’s call, including the question-and-answer session is subject to the Safe Harbor statement for forward-looking statements within the meaning of U.S. securities laws. This may include statements about our current expectations or forecast of market and economic conditions, our business activities, prospects, strategies and future business and financial performance. These forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and actual results could differ materially from those suggested by our comments made during today’s conference call. I’ll call to your attention the description of risk that could affect our future results that is contained in our registration statement on Form S-1 and subsequent reports filed with the SEC. Now, let me turn the call over to Sheryl Palmer.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today and are very pleased to share our fourth quarter and full year 2013 results, which continue to highlight our strong business performance and to support the success of our full cycle strategy of showcasing the outstanding execution in both, our U.S. and Canadian operations. For the quarter we had earnings per share of $0.79, a net income of $96 million. It was an understatement when I say 2013 has been a remarkable year for Taylor Morrison, and it’s worth emphasizing just a few key accomplishments that have shaped our success. Most noteworthy for the company, as you are all well aware, one of our successful initial public offering in April; more important however, has been the strength of our capital structure and our rational long-term strategy which is centered on three things. First, is our focus on the move-up buyer in core locations. We believe these buyers are more able to qualify for our home purchase with healthier personal balance sheet, as well as being less sensitive to movements in interest rates. Second, is our conscience [ph] cost discipline and operating efficiency. Our discipline yet flexible operating platform has enabled us to perform well, both during strong and challenging economic conditions and our financial results clearly reflect that. Third, is our company-wide attitude towards maximizing shareholder value by optimizing profit and volume. From our underwriting analysis through execution we maintain a bias towards profit as we seek to maximize the performance of each and every asset. Furthermore, we successfully execute against our strategy of first identifying, and then developing and building in core locations within high growth market, continuing the trend of strong results in more than four years of operating profit. We also achieved one of the industry’s leading pre-tax…

David Cone

Management

Thanks Sheryl, and hello everyone. I’m pleased to share with you our results for our fourth quarter and full fiscal year. As Sheryl mentioned, we had earnings per share of $0.79 on net income of $96 million in the fourth quarter of 2013 which includes certain tax benefits that I’ll cover in more detail in a moment. Excluding these tax benefits, adjusted earnings per share was $0.72. Fourth quarter net sales orders in our U.S. operations improved 23% to 1,048 units. Our Canadian operations had 126 net sales orders and expected decline of 4% compared to the fourth quarter of 2012, mostly due to a lack of wholly-owned towers available for sale in the fourth quarter of 2013. This resulted in consolidated net sales orders of 1,174 units, representing a 20% increase when compared to the same quarter a year ago. We continue to execute on our strategy, and we increased community count by 48% over the prior year quarter to 180. Community absorptions were flat sequentially from the third quarter at 2.2 per month. We continue to be encouraged by the consistency of our absorptions as they were in line with our expectations. Total revenue for the quarter was $798 million, an increase of 43% compared to $557 million in the fourth quarter of last year. Home closings revenue was $780 million for the quarter, a 44% improvement year-over-year. The increase was driven by a 34% increase in homes closed to 1,870 during the quarter coupled with an 8% increase in average selling price to $417,000. As Sheryl mentioned in the U.S., home closings revenue increased 64% while closed units increased 39% and the average selling price increased $66,000 or 18% year-over-year to nearly $425,000. In Canada, home closings revenue decreased 2%. Canadian closed units increased 18% as we…

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Thanks Dave. As we have just heard, we had an excellent quarter to end a very eventful year. Our business all starts at the individual market level. Homebuilding is a local business, and we are located in the market in the U.S. and Canada, with strong fundamental that support home ownership demand with expected employment and population growth. Within our adjoining [ph] footprint, we carefully select our strong market and community positioning to align with consumer demand. We believe that communities properly match to their intended audiences in core locations that are approximate to employment, good schools, and desirable services, will outperform at all phases of the cycle. We have a number of exciting communities in a few of our different geographies that I would like to spend a moment highlighting. The first is Riverstone in Houston. After a successful presence in Telfair, one of the best master plan selling communities in Houston, we found the opportunity to acquire Riverstone. Selected to be Telfair’s replacement, Riverstone is located nearby and as the same prestige as Sugar Land [ph] as well as excellent accessibility and schools [ph]. In 2011, we purchased a 184 acres and developed more than 400 single-family lots with our three more exclusive Avalon product lines. In December 2012, we acquired the remaining undeveloped in Riverstone, 575 acres, or nearly 1,200 lots with the intent to continue our success in capturing the upscale family buyer and segment the community further by bringing additional product lines, as well as the Darling brand to increase overall community absorption. In 2013, we sold over 290 homes between the three Avalon product line at base prices ranging from the mid 300 in our smallest product, and up to the high 500 for base prices in our large product offering. All of our…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). Our first question comes from Steven Eve. You may go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning and congratulations guys. Sheryl, you talked some about the trends and all of that, but could you talk a little bit more about what you saw as you move through the quarter, what we’re seeing now? And you touched a bit on the regional demand and active adult which – we’ve got a lot of interest in right now. So if you wouldn’t mind elaborating on that too.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Yes, hi Steven, you got it [ph]. As far as the quarter, fourth quarter, we saw the momentum pick up candidly each and every month, and then we saw that normal kind of slowdown, the first couple of weeks in January and then saw the momentum continue. So I would say it gave us the signal that they are pretty normalized market. As far as the active adult business that I mentioned, we have – we’ve added a number of active adult communities within the portfolio but most delighted with some of the positions in Florida, it was Florida where we really seen the resurgence of that active adult buyer come back and help you make success in those openings.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And then if we – just looking at that more, your gross margin, your SG&A, as we look out over 2014 you talked about it being flat. Is that due to lower capitalized interest following through or do you see it being able to have your underlying gross margin actually move up a bit, what I guess what’s going on there. And just how much do you think – you talked about little bit of SG&A leverage, how much do you all think is practical as you go through 2014 given that – if that significant community growth ahead of you?

David Cone

Management

This is Dave. As far as the margin, really what we’re seeing is a lot of strength on the U.S. market. So, as we look at the backlog, I have visibility through – about the mid second quarter and we generally expect a U.S. accretion in the first half, which is coming off the strong point. As we move to the second half for the year, the comparison being tougher on the U.S. side, so that kind of facility to drive margin at that point will largely depend on the market but let’s kind of getting us through the flag [ph] at the 2013, that’s the comparison that we’re going to see in Canada throughout the year. As you know, we’re coming off some pretty high margins; especially I want to commensurate [ph] some at the first half of 2013. So as we move to spring selling season, last [indiscernible] the margins going forward and more so on the back half of the fall.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

And then SG&A –

David Cone

Management

Yes, the SG&A, we do run a lean structure, we are in a position that we think we’re going to be able to drive something under 10% relative – SG&A relative to our homebuilding revenue. We’ll probably be somewhere, maybe the high-rise has been through the year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thanks. I appreciate that, if I can sneak in one last one. You had a great ASP move; I’m just trying to understand how much of that was mixed versus pricing power, and sort of how are you all thinking about it as you go into 2014?

David Cone

Management

Yes, I think for the first half of that from – it’s more towards the price. At second half it’s been kind of 50-50 pricing mix. You get some pretty good price pick up, obviously in the first half of the year, and mostly in those closings now, so it’s definitely more towards the price than the move-up buyer.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Yes, as you move into 2014, we have a tendency [ph] to shift through that first and second move-up buyer. We still think we’re going to see some movement from the overall sales price through the organization, certainly we’re seeing it in U.S., I would tell you it’s probably a little closer to the last. But in total, we expect that to see it probably this year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thanks a lot.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

You bet, have a great day.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ivy Zelman. You may go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, thank you. This is Ryan McKevin [ph] on for Ivy this morning. Congratulations on the quarter. First thing, in terms of absorptions, in the past you mentioned you’re expecting them to come down, given that mix shift to move up, plus the price increases. I guess with the fourth quarter absorption pace flat sequentially, would you say there is additional company specific initiatives to reduce that pace into next year or would you expect to see us now of your absorption to align more closely with the industry at this point?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

You know Ryan [ph], the way we look at it, we don’t compare it to the industry or really even to prior performance; it’s really about the lineup of the deals as we underwrite them. So we don’t work to achieve a specific mix except to make sure that we achieve the underwriting expectations that we outline. As we have articulated in the past, when we continue to move up to that second time buyer, we generally aren’t seeing ourselves underwriting those deals at what I would consider – what you might be referring to as the industry average, it’s that two to two-and-a-half a month. So the absorptions are really – I mean, it’s quite different from where the company was a year ago which is why these low tunes [ph] is probably more in line as we look forward.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thank you. And, in terms of the community openings, obviously, there is some significant growth there. I was just wondering if you could provide some commentary around what you’re seeing with these new community openings and how these have performed to this point versus your expectations.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

As I try to say in my prepared comments, I mean we’ve had some that have just opened in these last few weeks that even through the winter conditions that you normally wouldn’t talk about, but we’ve had some of those these past few weeks. We’ve actually seen nice success. So all the positions that we’ve brought to market we’re feeling really good about. The next – I would tell you Ryan [ph], probably eight to ten weeks, we have a number of new communities opening. But if indications based on early interest or some things we felt pretty strong about it [ph].

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Adam Rudiger. You may go ahead.

Adam Rudiger

Analyst

Hi, sorry to ask the same question kind of twice, but just to make sure I understand if you are talking about an absorption pace closer to two that suggests a – first, I mean last when you were over three in the first two quarters. So, should we expect a decent slowdown continued into the first half?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Just to make sure that I – and if I misstated that, what I said is we underwrite community that can go anywhere from one in a half to four, to be honest. But what you’ve seen us settle in at is, somewhere closer to that two to two-and-a-half. So that really would be our expected absorption.

Adam Rudiger

Analyst

And so you’re talking about some full year when you say that?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Yes.

Adam Rudiger

Analyst

Okay. And then my second question is, in terms of Canada, can you offer any little more granularity on what you expect for intra-year orders and deliveries, just given what you have – what’s available and when you expect those towers, two of our own towers to close?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Yes, we can definitely walk you through the towers because as we look to 2014 we have three towers, they are all lining up in the fourth quarter.

Adam Rudiger

Analyst

Okay.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

We might see some of them start – no, actually we might start some deliveries in September but really those are going to be – generally at the fourth quarter.

Adam Rudiger

Analyst

Okay. And how are you approaching new projects and trying to – given what you talked about little supply there?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

The same way we always have, one deal at a time. We’ve – from a single-family detached perspective we continue to look at new opportunities, and same on the high-rise. So, you know, no different than we would in the U.S., I mean our very lands in straight markets. We have teams on the ground, and we have candidly JV partners that we work very closely with earning control, many opportunities that we look at, and we enter right then, and if they meet our overall expectations we go ahead and contract for them. I think the difference in what you see in our Canadian business from a land acquisition standpoint is the way we’re able to structure deals in Canada is very advantageous. We’re able to tie land up for quite sometime, work with land sellers on the entitlement process, and then get very attractive terms and how we take those lands down.

Adam Rudiger

Analyst

Okay. Thank you for taking my questions.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Thank you, Adam.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Rehaut. You may go ahead.

Michael Rehaut

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, and congrats on the quarter.

David Cone

Management

Thanks Michael.

Michael Rehaut

Analyst

First question on – I thought that’s here, thought on that a little bit later. If you could just go through looking at the gross margin progression throughout the year, and as the – any impact from mix in the U.S. and how you expect that to change in 2014. I guess particularly what I am thinking about is, in a regional and versus product mix, if there is any difference there that maybe impacted particularly in the fourth quarter, and as we look into 2014?

David Cone

Management

I think for 2013, by quarter we saw a nice steady progression on the U.S. side as far as margin accretion. We did – taking a little bit benefit from Canada in the first quarter which impacted that overall but then, we started out margin compression there. And as we look into 2014 and we still expect the strength of the U.S. margin, just as you get through some of the price appreciation that’s going to help – sorry, the price depreciation in 2013 is going to lend it throughout to 2014. And then from a region standpoint, it’s a little bit of a mix obviously where we saw the price appreciation and some of the greater spots – our last year might not repeat and solve this year. So that will continue to shift around a bit.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Yes, and I think the only other thing I would add to that because you’re right Dave, it was the overall mix issues. You also do have in some parts of the country like Texas, finished lots as part of our portfolio which intends not to be as higher as our business. So we really have to apply some [indiscernible] if you could imagine Michael.

Michael Rehaut

Analyst

Of course. And then I guess, second question on pricing, trends in the market right now. If you could give us a sense of in the fourth quarter, perhaps what percent of communities in the U.S. were you able to raise prices versus third quarter? And how incentives have been trending in the back half for the year and into 2014 so far?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Yes, when we look at the fourth quarter, I would tell you that close to half of the communities across the organization had some sort of base increase. I think the difference in what you saw in the fourth quarter is that the quantum of that increase was very different than what we saw early in the year. And having said that, we had some communities that you could have raised price to $500, you could have some where you raised to $10,000, so a little bit of everything. From a discount standpoint, I would tell you that we continue to use discounts the way we always have. We see them on certain specs, challenging lots, close-out communities, but all in all, when I look at our discounts and then I look at our incentives, interestingly enough as I compare back to 2012, Q2 of 2012 was our highest incentive quarter, as a percentage of base revenue it was running about 10%. By the time we got to Q4 of 2013, that’s just about half, it was about 5.2% for the quarter, and you think about in ASP that’s up 20%, so both on a percentage basis and pure dollars, significantly down year-over-year.

Michael Rehaut

Analyst

Okay. And, so just to – I appreciate that Sheryl, it’s very helpful. And just to get better perspective on that 5.2%, and half of the communities that you increased, could you give some type of sense of what that was in the third quarter?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

The third quarter of 2013?

Michael Rehaut

Analyst

Yes.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

I can. No, it looks that up for you [ph] Michael, so we might need just a second.

Michael Rehaut

Analyst

I cannot be the only one with applause when I was asking your question.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

I appreciate that. Actually third quarter was just slightly higher, so it went from 5.6% to 5.2%.

Michael Rehaut

Analyst

And is that on closings or orders?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

That would be on closings as a percentage of base revenue.

Michael Rehaut

Analyst

Thanks so much Sheryl. Best of luck in 2014.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Well, thanks. I appreciate that. You take care.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Nishu Sood. You may go ahead.

Nishu Sood

Analyst

Thanks. I wanted to ask first question about SG&A. Dave, you mentioned earlier, SG&A should dip below 10, I think you said in the high 9’s. That is already, a pretty impressive number, and especially in light of that kind of recessions you were having earlier, right absorptions, I want to understand what do you think normalized would be for that number? How much further it could go down and what the main leverage drivers are going to be in getting in to that?

David Cone

Management

I don’t have a specific target. I would say that, each and every year we’re looking to just drive to leverage just across the business. You know just given our cost on a cost structure, we are pretty lean, so there is not a big weathers [ph] that we’re going to go out there and pull. But for us, I think as we approach each year making sure that we don’t overinvest, ramp up headcount unnecessarily, the folks that we bring on, we want to make sure that there is a purpose there and everyone has been fully affected. So, for – I guess the way I look at it, going beyond 2014 is – as the top line grows, and given our cost structure which is pretty much kind of a 50-50 mix between fixed and variable, we’re going to be able to continue to drive leverage.

Nishu Sood

Analyst

Got it. So even from these levels you’ve been continue to experience the same sort of leverage yield you have in the last couple of years?

David Cone

Management

Well, the magnitude is obviously going to decrease overtime, just given the dollars, but yes, I think that we’re going to be able to drive some form of accretion – sorry, some form of leverage as we move out.

Nishu Sood

Analyst

Got it, great. And, on your closings guidance, so that will increase 15% to 20% in 2014, what kind of order growth or absorption pace are you assuming on that?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

You know it’s kind of what I said before in the issue. I think as we look at 2014, and we look at our average sales rate, excuse me, I have used sales price, and the composition of the communities that we have underwritten, that have come in the market. We expect somewhere in that 2, 2.5 [ph] range.

Nishu Sood

Analyst

Perfect. And one real last quick one, the JV balance on the balance sheet increased noticeably in the fourth quarter. What was driving that?

David Cone

Management

It was a joint venture that we have in our off-scene [ph] market that – we actually had on our books at one point but given the changes around the terms of agreement that we have with our partner, we decided to reclassify the JV, so in that matter it doesn’t change the overall operations that was just more movement on the balance sheet.

Nishu Sood

Analyst

Perfect, thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Dane Oppenhieve [ph]. You may go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thanks very much. I was wondering if you could just talk a little bit more in terms of the expectations for margins in 2014. Were those comments in terms of the – as you look, a lot of those as pre-interest margins you’re reflecting and I talked about we have certain backlog right now based on pricing from 2013. Would you say that the current margins – and I guess it would be great to see if it’s pre-interest suppose there is a margins in backlog and where those would be relative to foresee margins?

David Cone

Management

Yes, when I – this kind of stand was kind of pre-imposed – you know just where we are from a capitalized interest standpoint but more specifically on number without interest is kind of where we’re focused there. And relative to our backlog, our backlog margins are strong and that’s what’s given us confidence basically in the first half of 2014.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Then, in 2012 it was a significant year in terms of land activity, in terms of purchases and such, how much of that will start come through in 2014 versus beyond? And how do you think about the impact for land and margins for this year?

David Cone

Management

We – 2012 or 2013 from our land –

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Right, 2012 was pretty big in terms of land activity.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Yes, I meet some other big communities Dane than you’re seeing open in 2014, the space that we bought in 2012, recognizing that finished lots of a very small piece of the overall mix. So you are starting to see land – from 2012, come through and 2014 you are seeing some space that we bought last year early in the year that will get open this year. But generally, you’re seeing a lot of that stuff from 2011 and 2012, now make its way into the business.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great, congratulations on 2013.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jay Mccanless. You may go ahead.

Jay Mccanless

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. I wanted to ask again on the unit closing growth for 14% to 15% to 20%, does that include JV units? And can you walk me through kind of the thought process to get to that growth estimate?

David Cone

Management

First, it does not include out of JV, this is just the ones that we have wholly owned.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

And it was 15% to 20%, not 20%.

David Cone

Management

Yes, 15% to 20% was our range.

Jay Mccanless

Analyst

Okay, so that does not include the JV closings.

David Cone

Management

Those don’t get reported in our metrics, that’s just the wholly owned.

Jay Mccanless

Analyst

Okay. And then just secondly, I wanted to get a sense of pricing, growth and expectations for 2014 because if I understand what’s in the release correctly, gross margins are expecting to be flattish on a year-over-year basis because of the puts and takes versus Canada and the U.S. but you’re expecting the SG&A percentage to come down. So that what I would assume, I mean that pricing is going to move up pretty steadily. Can you talk about your expectations there?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Yes, like I said, I mean as we look at the mix of land that we’re bringing to market – in the U.S., we are expecting to see some price movement with a higher end product profile. And in Canada I would expect based on the mix we’re going to see a little bit of compression on the ASP. But all in all, in North America we still expect our closing average sales price to slightly go up.

David Cone

Management

And if you think about 2013, we saw a price depreciation throughout the year. So as you go into 2014, we’re ending at a higher place than we were at the beginning of 2013. So we’re getting that benefit into 2014 as well.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

And I think one last thing I would add to that too, following onto Dave’s point, is recognize that as you move into where we are now with so much in backlog, we do have pretty good visibility of that, average sales price and so you don’t have an entire year of unit to impact many price improvement because you have – we’re coming into the organized backlog.

Jay Mccanless

Analyst

If I could sneak one more in, talking about the visibility in that backlog, what’s your average cycle time now? I mean, do you have six months of visibility, nine months of visibility, how is that trending?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

That varies by division but I would say, on average we are in pretty good shape for our first quarter and we’re making good headway on our second, and you’ve had a little bit of – I mean, you’ve certainly got community in your third quarter but it really starts showing the length from there.

Jay Mccanless

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Alex Barron. You may go ahead.

Alex Barron

Analyst

Good morning, and great job on the quarter guys. I wanted to ask you with regards to incentives, I know you already talked about incentives for closings. Can you comment on the trend and incentives on orders for the last couple of quarters?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Yes, I can. I may not have the same level of visibility, and obviously those numbers because contracts continue to be updated with options and things. But I would tell you that we use incentives, like we always have, we tend to use them in closeout communities by staffing [ph], we tend to use them on challenged lots. But we are using incentives and I don’t have specifics with respect to what those percentages are at time of contract yet.

Alex Barron

Analyst

Okay. And then I guess with regards to the towers you talked about, you expect that I believe you said three towers closed this year. Do you have any projects that are opening for sale that you can talk about this year?

Sheryl Palmer

Management

We are looking at potentially going to market for sales on our high-rise tower, yes, that will be early this year.

Alex Barron

Analyst

Okay, and then if we can focus on margins a little bit, I guess we’re rather in a unique situation that you have a lot of land that you incur before your IPO. And as compared to other guys who maybe have to buy land in more just in time basis, so would you expect your margins to – I guess be more, sustainable or ability to withstand this year? In other words, is the only limitation to your margins more the cost of materials rather than the cost of land, would you say that’s fair?

David Cone

Management

Well, I’d go back. We actually didn’t compare bunch of land before the IPO. What actually happened is, through the acquisition in July of 2011 we marked our book to fair value, so in that case we did – in the U.S. we did bring some land value down, actually in Canada, our land values went up a little bit. So I think from a pricing perspective on our land our focus is pretty clean. But to your second point, the sustainability of it, we feel that obviously that’s going to be primarily market driven and what happens with costs as well. But we’ve actually had some higher margins, I think maybe relative to the peers that – with the last year or two, but we still think we’re going to produce some of that accretion there on the U.S.

Alex Barron

Analyst

Okay, thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

And we have no further questions at this time.

Sheryl Palmer

Management

Well, thank you. I appreciate everyone joining us today. And wish you a wonderful day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today’s conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.