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Teekay Corporation (TK)

Q2 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 4, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to Teekay Corporation's Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Now for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Kenneth Hvid, Teekay's President and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

Ryan Hamilton

Analyst

Before Kenneth begins, I'd like to direct all participants to our website at www.teekay.com where you will find a copy of the second quarter of 2017 earnings presentation. Kenneth will review this presentation during today's conference call. Please allow me to remind you that our discussion today contains forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from results projected by those forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to materially differ from those in the forward-looking statements is contained in the second quarter of 2017 earnings release and earnings presentation available on our website. I'll now turn the call over to Kenneth to begin.

Kenneth Hvid

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Thank you, Ryan and hello, everyone and thank you for joining us today for Teekay Corporation's Second Quarter 2017 Investor Conference Call. I'm joined this morning by our CFO, Vince Lok. During our call today, we'll be taking you through the earnings presentation which can be found on our website. Turning to Slide 3 of the presentation, I'll briefly review some of the recent highlights for Teekay Corporation. During the second quarter, Teekay Corporation generated consolidated cash flow from vessel operations or CFVO, of approximately $255 million. We reported a consolidated adjusted net loss of approximately $38 million or $0.44 per share in the second quarter of 2017 and we declared a cash dividend of $0.055 per share, consistent with the previous quarter's dividend. Since our previous earnings call in May, we have now charted out of the Arctic Spirit, the 2nd of our 2 LNG carriers that are charted in from Teekay LNG Partners until April 2018. The charter which is with a major energy company and scheduled to commence in September 2017 through to April 2018, is expected to generate an incremental $4 million of CFVO per quarter. Over the past few months, we have entered into strategic transactions across the Teekay Group which are expected to significantly strengthen our financial foundation, streamline our corporate structure and position us well to benefit from an energy and tanker market recovery. Last week, Teekay Offshore announced a comprehensive, transformative transaction with our new strategic partner, Brookfield which will not only strengthen Teekay Offshore's financial position and fully finance its existing growth projects but will also improve Teekay Parent's financial position, as I'll discuss later on the call. In addition, Teekay Tankers agreed to an accretive merger with Tanker Investments Ltd. which owns 18 modern conventional tankers and acquire the remaining…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And your first question comes from Michael Webber with Wells Fargo.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Kenneth, I wanted to start off with -- obviously, with Brookfield. I'm just curious, it's -- the transition -- the eventual transition of control to Brookfield, obviously, the -- a big change for Teekay. I'm just curious, when you think about kind of the new TOO and any sort of significant kind of GP-related decisions, particularly around potentially resetting any idea or structure or anything that would kind of change the cash flow profile for TOO, is it fair to assume that though any major decisions would be deferred until Brookfield would eventually take control?

Kenneth Hvid

Analyst · Wells Fargo

I think that's too early to say. First of all, of course, what's been important on this transaction is that Teekay is still on the funnel as we'd like to say in-house here. And that means that what Brookfield is, of course, buying into is not only the TOO platform where they really like the business, but they are, of course, also buying into the group and everything that comes with it, operational support. And as you know, we have a shared service model at Teekay which all about our company's benefit greatly from. So I'll say it's a -- it truly is a joint sponsor role, but of course, as we highlighted in the various calls that we've had both on TOO and our separate call, Brookfield will have the majority of the LP units. And over time, we have -- they have an option to take it to 1% of the GP. But that is, of course, as you know, subject to certain conditions falling in places, consensus that are from various stakeholders. So I think it's best to say that the way to look at it is really -- what we've been focused on is really stabilizing the company, making sure that we have the right capital structure in place, maximizing shareholder value. And I think, it's fair to say to look at that on -- at the LP unit holder level over the long term and we think we will really do that. And then, I would say the GP structure that we have inherent in TOO, obviously, that's something which is maybe a high-class problem. We had that discussion one day. But right now, I think what we're really doing here is improving the capital structure that will benefit all unitholders all over the long term.

Michael Webber

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Got you. Yes, that certainly removes a fair amount of tail risks but just a lot of detail that's sitting here [indiscernible]. Along those lines, Kenneth, you mentioned the benefit that kind of Brookfield buying into kind of the Teekay kind of family of companies and then kind of the prowess across multiple operating platforms. So curious, I guess, about 2 things related to that. One, I know that the G&A of the parent has eased a bit. But is there any ongoing kind of G&A or R&D at the parent that you think will eventually continue to get -- how you're going to get stripped down to the daughter level, especially once you all effectively kind of seed control of TOO? And maybe just a question for Vince, when will we should notice any sort of impact around G&A over the long term? And then two, around kind of the reciprocal of that relationship, is there -- are there opportunities or synergies associated with Brookfield's existing suite of assets and businesses that you think it'd eventually open doors for any of the Teekay entities, not just TOO?

Kenneth Hvid

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Yes. I -- well, first of all, of course, the G&A upstairs, I think what's significant to -- as you know, we've been in transition for quite a number of years where we have always have to stay an ambitions who have the relevant assets sitting in the total companies and the asset lights upstairs. And as you heard on -- in my prepared remarks here, we're -- we're beginning to see the end of that where that will actually happen. So when we come to April next year, we'll no longer have the in-charters for the LNG carriers. We, of course -- the effects of this definitely, the cash flow are now for the remainder of that charter period, so that's a great position. By the end of the year, we won't have any conventional tanker obligations left upstairs. And we'll essentially have the 3 FPSOs which, obviously, we're raised and focused on, making sure that we get the most out of those three FPSOs now and we'll need to determine where they ultimately end up. But that's, you would say, the last hurdle that we'd be focused on here. And with that, of course, a lot of the G&A will go away also because that's, of course, allocated to -- based on the assets that we're operating. And then, we will basically start a review, what is the right size of the upstairs G&A for what our ambition is in terms of pursuing other things and supporting our daughters longer term.

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Wells Fargo

I don't expect any material changes to the parent G&A, although we'd be moving some of the legal entities providing those services from the parent to TOO. We've always allocated the cost anyways through the management services agreements in any case. So on a net-net basis, I wouldn't expect it to change materially.

Kenneth Hvid

Analyst · Wells Fargo

In terms of your second question and what other benefits would there be, I think it's obviously a little early to say. We've only started working together and comparing notes. As you know, Brookfield has a long history in Brazil and a strong presence there. It is one of our core markets in Teekay Offshore. So obviously, it's helpful to have a strong partner in one of our biggest markets. I think the other part of it is that we have a couple of assets. They actually own Ningaloo Vision through the Quadrant Energy which is a company owned by Brookfield. And that's actually an FPSO in Australia where we have been providing the manning for that FPSOs for a number of years. So those are just 2 examples of where you can go very operational and we can go more strategic in terms of country relationships. And it really is about whether we see that those overlay in the strategy that we each have and how we invest in the LNG infrastructure that's out there. And I think there could potentially be some interesting opportunities.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your next question comes from Fotis Giannakoulis with Morgan Stanley.

Fotis Giannakoulis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

I want to ask about the -- how do you view the cash flow of the parent? And what are the -- what is your outlook about trying to bring this cash flow and steps that you are able to take in order to make this cash flow to turn positive again? And also, if you can comment about the shares in the Sevan Marine, how core this investment is for you? Or if there are any thoughts of disposing this at some -- at a certain point?

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Fotis, in terms of the parent cash flows, I think there's probably 4 key areas I would point to in terms of upside and growth from this point forward. First and foremost, of course, is the closing of the Brookfield transaction which will bring $140 million of cash upfront to the parent. Number two is the in-charter LNG carriers that Ken have talked about. We've effectively reduced and eliminated that cash burn through to April 2018 with the charters for the Polar and Arctic Spirit. And those charters do roll off in 2018. Third is -- as well as the conventional tankers, I should mention as well. Third is the FPSOs, the 3 FPSOs. The Hummingbird, as you probably noted, the new contract and then kicks in, in October where we'll get an increase in the CFVO from that unit starting in October. We're also continuing to dialogue on the Foinaven to extend that contract and improve the cash flows in that unit. And I think given the strength of TOO post the Brookfield transaction, I think it makes the likelihood of being able to drop down some of these FPSOs and the Teekay Offshore is much more feasible going forward. And last but not least is really the daughter distributions and particular, for TGP. And given that the projects in both MLPs are on the verge of really coming into play in the next few quarters, the cash flows in the daughters will continue to strengthen and there's obviously a benefit to the parent as distributions increased, particularly in TGP. Even in Teekay Tankers, with the TIL merger, we'll have a stronger tanker business and we're expecting a stronger tanker market starting in the latter part of 2018. So it's a combination of factors which we see the free cash flow increase. For the third quarter, I think we will expect some weakness in the third quarter, particularly given the schedule maintenance for the Foinaven. But then we'll start to see the cash flows improve starting in the fourth quarter of this year.

Kenneth Hvid

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

And your second question is about -- and you had a second question about Sevan shareholding, I believe. And just as a reminder for everyone, this was an investment that Teekay made back in 2011 when Sevan was restructured and Teekay bought its 3 operating FPSOs which 2 of them are owned by Teekay Offshore today and Hummingbird is owned by Teekay Parent. So we have about 40% ownership stake in Sevan Marine. And at this point in time, there's no particular plans in terms of whether we're going to hold on to it indefinitely or at some point, look at disposing that. I think it's not exactly the right time to consider that in the marketplace. We -- it's clear we've had low level of activity on new projects over the past couple of years. But of course, as the market picks up again, we still believe in the technology and we -- it will be interesting to see what interest that we see for using its -- using the Sevan technology going forward.

Fotis Giannakoulis

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

That's very helpful. And one last question, a little bit longer term. I know it's not the time to think about the refinancing of the bond. There is still a long time until its maturity. But I want to ask, how do you view the capital structure going forward 3 years from now? Is the plan still for Teekay Parent to be a debt-free company? How are you thinking about this refinancing in the future?

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Morgan Stanley

Yes. I think our goal for the parent company is to move towards becoming net debt free. That's always been our goal. And so given the number of reasons that I mentioned just earlier about the cash flow improving and the financial ability to drop down ourselves on the FPSOs, I think those are all moving in the right direction in terms of helping us delever as well as improve our cash flow ratios. I think when the renewal or the bond refinancing comes up in 2020, I think we will have a stronger balance sheet to refinance a good portion of that bond. But our longer term goal on capital structure for the parent is to continue to delever that balance sheet.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Sunil Sibal with Seaport Global Securities.

Sunil Sibal

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities

And most of my questions have actually been heard, but I just had one. So when you think about the Teekay Parent and seems like this enhanced liquidity with $140 million cash, what do you think in your mind is the best kind of -- best return from that cash?

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities

I think in the immediate term is -- the best use of that cash is to really reduce our leverage and strengthen the balance sheet of the parent. I think that is really one of the key focus areas for the entire Teekay Group, as Kenneth talked about in his prepared remarks. So that's really, I think, our primary focus in the near term.

Sunil Sibal

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities

Okay, got it. And then, just on a timing perspective, when does that cash kind of come indoor?

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities

Sorry, I didn't catch that question. Could you repeat that, please?

Sunil Sibal

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities

I was just curious, from a timing perspective, when do you get that money -- when do you get a hold of that money?

Kenneth Hvid

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities

Yes, that would be on closing which we right now expect to be in September.

Vincent Lok

Analyst · Seaport Global Securities

Yes, you're referring to the $140 million, that's on the closing of the Brookfield transaction. That's right.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and that does conclude today's question-and-answer session. Mr. Kenneth Hvid, at this time, I'd like to turn the conference back over to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Kenneth Hvid

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Thank you very much for joining us here today. Have a great weekend and we look forward to reporting back to you next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And once again, that does conclude today's conference call. We thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect.