Bruce Thames
Analyst · Kansas City Capital. Please state your question.
Jon, I've tried to communicate this in the last couple of calls. And the reality is, when we look at our traditional end markets and end customers, you know, they're not all seeing the same types of, really, the impact of the pandemic, and certainly the energy downturn is not impacting them all the same. So when we look at integrated oil companies, you know, I think what we've seen is just the stabilization in commodity pricing has certainly helped, but there's still a number of them that that are still, you know, running net operating losses. And so I think some stability in the price of oil and some increase there, you know, I see, you know, high $50, $60 a barrel as being kind of an inflection point for spending. Clearly, many of them are significantly reducing costs and overhead and are positioning themselves for a different environment going forward, I would suspect that will lower that overall price level going forward. At what point that will be, I'm not certain. When we look at other end markets, you know, and the chemicals, petrochemicals, we actually see a very different situation. You know, with the pandemic, certainly the impact to demand has been less. But - and we see a really pretty healthy growth over the next 5 years to 10 years in many of those end markets. We've also seen really - resin prices being really more buoyant. And we believe that that will translate into more spending when we see some of the case counts come down a little more stabilization and just the global infection rates associated with COVID-19. So I think that's another example of the end markets' power. Power markets, we expect to have strong growth over the next 20 years, we've actually benefited from quite a lot of that power transition from coal to natural gas. We're going to benefit less from the move to renewables, but the reality is, is natural gas as a bridge fuel, a lot of power plants are going to be built in Asia and other geographies. And so we think that's actually a pretty positive momentum even now and going forward. You know, some of that demand growth is industrial. So certainly as industry recovers, that's going to drive more need for increased power supply and should - we should see these capital projects move ahead. But those are kind of our three key end markets.