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Transportadora de Gas del Sur S.A. (TGS)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Mon, May 11, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Christine and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to TGS’ First Quarter 2020 Results Earnings Conference Call. TGS issued its earnings report last Friday. If you did not receive a copy via e-mail, please do not hesitate to contact TGS’ Investor Relations department. Before we begin the call today, I would like to remind you that forward-looking statements made during today's conference call do not account for future economic circumstances, industry conditions, company performance and financial results. These statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. All figures included herein were prepared in accordance with International Financial Reporting Standards and are stated in constant Argentine pesos as of March 30, 2020, unless otherwise noted. Joining us today from TGS in Buenos Aires is Alejandro Basso, Chief Financial Officer; Leandro Perez Castaño, Financial Manager and Carlos Almagro, Investor Relations Officer. And now, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Basso. Sir, please begin.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today on this conference call to discuss the first quarter earnings and highlights for the Transportadora de Gas del Sur. To begin, I would like to talk about some relevant corporate events that have occurred since our last quarterly earnings call. First, I would like to make some remarks regarding the COVID-19 emergency. The Argentina Government established a strict quarantine starting March 20, however, among some activities considered essential is natural gas supply. Therefore, TGS has adopted the measures required to ensure the continuity of the falling natural gas supply service and it’s non-regulated activities, while protecting the health of its employees, suppliers, and contractors. It is important to mention, as you are aware of the tremendous negative impact that the COVID-19 pandemic is causing on our economy and especially in Argentina. First quarter earnings were slightly impacted by the deceleration of the economic activities in Argentina and worldwide starting March. However, we expect to suffer a further deterioration on our financial metric in the following quarters, which will be seeing a decrease of our liquids revenues given the significant reduction of the reference international prices beginning in March and more difficulties in the collection process of transportation bills from the distribution companies as they are also having lower collections from their residential and industrial claim. Additionally, the impact also follows the absence of the tariff increase in over a year. Furthermore, other problems may arise due to the uncertainty around the evolution of the pandemic and consequently the prevention measures of Argentina and other countries will be adopting in the near term that could further erode the macroeconomic value. To reduce the impact on the vehicle of the difficult conditions, we have decided to make a substantial reduction…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Ezequiel Fernández with Balanced Capital. [ph] Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. Thank you for the materials. I have three questions. I would like to go one by one if you don't mind. The first one is related to the economic emergency law function last December, which included the 180 days freeze on traffics, but also argued for a revision of the overall tariff regulatory framework, already, I don't know if you have had any conversations with the government so far on this.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Hi, Ezequiel. Regarding the emergency law, the revision is not for the whole regulatory framework. But it is about the – it’s a revision about the ENARGAS, what ENARGAS has done in the last four years, on the previous four years. This revision has not already started. What they have told us is that they are going to contract some consultants to perform this revision. That's all. So regarding the tariffs, we don't see that the tariffs are going to be adjusted this year, okay. Because they have to perform this revision first, the quarantine has been a problem for them to start their work. So I think that's what we all need to come to some delay in this process.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. That's very clear. Thank you. And regarding the natural gas liquid business, I wanted to get a sense of on the gas purchasing side, the gas that you need to separate to frac. Is it – these are take or pay contracts, would you need to buy – would you need to pay for more gas than you actually need at least during the second quarter because of the pandemic?

Alejandro Basso

Management

No, we are not foreseeing that problem. We have contracts in place for just 50% of our production of our needs. And we think that the – natural gas liquids production is going to be – it's not going to be reduced. Maybe the thing, but some reduction or the next month. But we are not seeing some over purchasing of natural gas for our shrinkage.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. That's great. And finally do you have any CapEx spending on Vaca Muerta pipe for the remainder of the year?

Alejandro Basso

Management

Yes. Maybe around $10 million, we have spent $20 million the first order and the remainder is around to $10 million.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. That's all from my side. I was very clear. Thank you very much.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Thank you, Ezequiel. See you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Chelsea Colon with Aegon Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Chelsea Colon

Analyst · Aegon Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Hi and thank you for the call. I just have a couple of questions. The first one is related to the Liquids business. I'm wondering if you can give us more information about the hedging that you do. And then my second question is, can you provide us a little bit more detail about the types of OpEx and CapEx reductions that you're planning for this year? If you could put some numbers around that, that would be very helpful. Thank you.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Okay. Thank you. As regarding the liquid section, unfortunately it has already ended last April 30th. It was a put, so as we conducted two years ago, a long-term gas purchasing contact, we decided to contract for our Liquids business. So we have an important collection for these puts as the liquids prices went down significantly, okay. As regards our OpEx and CapEx we have budgeted for this – regarding OpEx $140 million and we are cutting that around 30% for this last nine months of the year, okay. As regards CapEx it's similar reaction of 30% one-third approximately.

Chelsea Colon

Analyst · Aegon Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you so much.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Obviously it will depend – it will depend on the conditions, okay. We get some relief or if the liquids prices increase, we may review this reduction.

Chelsea Colon

Analyst · Aegon Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

And can you just remind me what the original CapEx budget was?

Alejandro Basso

Management

We have a maintenance CapEx budget of around $60 million and we are cutting that in 30% to $40 million for the full year, okay. Now as regards Vaca Muerta on other projects we have $40 million, $45 million budget and we are cutting that to $30 million.

Chelsea Colon

Analyst · Aegon Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Okay. Thank you. You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Antonella Rapuano with Santander. Please proceed with your question.

Antonella Rapuano

Analyst · Santander. Please proceed with your question.

Hello. Thanks for taking my question. I have a couple of questions. The first one, regards on the delays that you are receiving on the collections from this lockdown situation, but also the downturn of the economics. So what have you seen, if you could give us an update in April and in the first week of May if you have seen the days of sales outstanding have been increasing or they reach a peak in April and now are coming down, if you could give us some update on that? And how could you expect these to move forward in the next month? And then the other question is on the follow-up on the OpEx reduction. If you could give us some details on where are these reduction or this efficiency are going to come from? Is this going to come from lower prices in the natural gas or maintenance cost, maybe if you could give us some details on that would be very helpful? Thank you.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Okay, thank you. With regards to collections, as you said collection difficulties increased on April, but currently went down. We have some delays with our –mainly with institution, companies and commission the total due is around ARS2 billion, out of which ARS1.3 billion are – it’s – has 30 days delay and the other one is 60 days delay, something like that. Moving forward, quite difficult to say, well, it depends on the activity conditions in Argentina I would say, economic activity condition. I don't know – we didn’t know that yesterday the government has released a very important amount of activities, mainly production activities, so in that case it may [indiscernible] something the collections in the near future. Regarding the OpEx reduction, OpEx does not include gas purchase, okay. So all the reduction I was talking about excludes the gas purchasing. It’s just for maintenance activity.

Antonella Rapuano

Analyst · Santander. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thank you.

Alejandro Basso

Management

But we are delaying that this year, okay. Okay. You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from line of Valeria Cisnero with Macquarie. Please proceed with your question.

Valeria Cisnero

Analyst · Macquarie. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, good morning. Thanks so much for the call. I wanted to ask a question about the cash balances it was truly high increasing cash from fourth quarter to the first quarter this year. What is the rationale of continuing with the share buybacks on some bond purchases in the current scenario, instead of preserving cash? And maybe you can share what is the minimum cash you want to hold this year? Thank you.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Okay, thank you. Well, with regards to our buyback program – our share buyback program, this depends on future conditions. Currently, we’re seeing that our cash reserves are enough for us. So we are keep on purchasing JRC, price is low in our opinion. Okay. And the same for the bond purchasing. Okay.

Valeria Cisnero

Analyst · Macquarie. Please proceed with your question.

And in terms of the minimum – on the minimum balance that you want to keep. Because I think by the first quarter – the first quarter was about $58 million to $60 million? How can we go?

Alejandro Basso

Management

Well, our current cash balance is around $260 million total.

Valeria Cisnero

Analyst · Macquarie. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Maybe I was looking at the wrong number. Okay, thank you.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to – I'm sorry. We did get another question. Our question comes from Guilherme Levy with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Guilherme Levy

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I had just a follow-up on the OpEx reduction. I understand that it's going to be mainly on maintenance, but can you elaborate more on that? It’s going to be based, I don't know, may be in headcount reduction, or if there is some sort of exchange rate effect on that. That would be great. Thank you.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Hi Guilherme. As you say, the reduction is mainly in maintenance. It does not include any headcount reduction. You know that Argentina has currently doubled the severance cost. So it's much expensive. So it's not – headcount reduction is not going to bring any OpEx reduction in the near future. So it's mainly, maintenance, such on maintenance, so that we can postpone, that in the last four years, we have increased our maintenance activities a lot. As it was required in the tariff revision in the other business activities also. So we are just slowing down these increases, okay, and other non-essential activities.

Guilherme Levy

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Alejandro Basso

Management

You are welcome

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of [indiscernible]. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, guys. Thank you so much for the presentation. I just want to have an update on the PDV plant. I don't know if you are already, they already receiving the normal volume and also if you have reach an agreement with them regarding the take or pay contract for last year. Thank you.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Well, as regard to the volumes, they have recently reduced the volumes to half. So we are foreseeing a reduction in our revenues, maybe in the next month. But you know that we have a take or pay contract. So it should be compensated at the end of the annual contract – at the end of April of next year. As regards of the take-or-pay from the previous contract year, we are – we have no any agreement yet. Okay.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Thank you. You are welcome.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

Alejandro Basso

Management

Okay. Well, thank you for participating in our presentation – in our call today. And if you have any additional questions, you can contact our Investor Relations department. So we'll see you in the next call. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.