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Taseko Mines Limited (TGB)

Q3 2020 Earnings Call· Tue, Oct 27, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is [Joanna], and I’ll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Taseko Mines Third Quarter Earnings and Production Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Mr. Brian Bergot, you may begin your conference.

Brian Bergot

Analyst

Thank you, Joanna. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining to Taseko’s third quarter 2020 conference call. The news release announcing our financial results was issued yesterday after market close and is available on our website at tasekomines.com. With me today in Vancouver is our CEO, Russ Hallbauer; our President, Stuart McDonald; Taseko’s Chief Financial Officer, Bryce Hamming; and Richard Tremblay, our VP of Operations. As usual, before we get into opening remarks by management, I would like to remind our listeners that our comments and answers to your questions will contain forward-looking information. This information, by its nature is subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause the stated outcome to differ materially from the actual outcome. For further information on these risks and uncertainties, I encourage you to read the cautionary note that accompanies our third quarter MD&A and the related news release, as well as the risk factors particular to our company. I would also like to point out that we will use various non-GAAP measures during the call. You can find explanations and reconciliations regarding these measures in the related news release. After opening remarks we will open the phone lines to analysts and investors for question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to Russ for his remarks.

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

Thank you, Brian. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for this Q3 update on Taseko. A lot of things have been happening in the world over the last six months as we all know. And the copper metal market is no exception. Global copper concentrate production, actually metal production from China and other locals smelter TCRS, Chinese import, export data, Finstock emerging onto the LME are a few of the migrative details a company like the Taseko has to keep an eye on. For the most part the mining business has not been immune to the general volatility that is embracing the world today. Anyone that says we know what is going on or they know what is going on from where the price is going, what the supply is like and the constraints on it and how the coronavirus could affect this whole business are in my opinion very naive. When it comes right down to it it's just a big guess. No one knows at this time where the market might be in one month, six months or a year. Folks try to forecast supply and demand and pricing but it's all just sophisticated guessing. All we know as a company is what Donald Rumsfeld the old secretary of defense for the U.S. used to say, “we know there are known unknowns” and that pretty much sums up where we as a company are at. Even after nearly 40 years in the business there is no, there is plenty of knowns, unknowns for myself. Most of what is in front of us is unknown so plan to protect the downside and let the upside take care of itself. However, we firmly believe that the copper business is the place to be for the long term…

Stuart McDonald

Analyst

Okay. Thanks Russ. Good morning everyone. I'll give some more color on our third quarter results and outlook that we published with our earnings yesterday and certainly the headline this quarter is a good one. We generated 32 million of adjusted EBITDA. We grew our cash balance again and we did that in a quarter where head grades at Gibraltar were below our reserve grade average. So we're happy with the results, proud of the way our team has managed the business through a challenging and volatile year so far. Our health and safety protocols have continued to operate effectively and we haven't had any operational disruptions as a result of the COVID-19 situation. Gibraltar produced 29 million pounds of copper and 668,000 pounds of moly in the quarter. Copperhead grade averaged 0.23% which was slightly less than we expected as we had anticipated higher grades in the final benches of the granite pit but we're still on track for our annual guidance of 130 million pounds plus or minus 5%. Mining in the granite pit was recently completed and Pollyanna pit will now be the primary source of ore through the middle of next year. On the cost side, I think we've demonstrated this year the flexibility that we have to respond to short-term price changes. The operational plan that was implemented in April has served us very well and allowed us to reduce mining rates temporarily without impacting the long-term mine plan. We think about costs in terms of total site spending which includes operating costs and capitalized strip and while our third quarter spending was slightly lower than Q2 it was still below where we were in Q1 and 19% lower than the third quarter last year. So for us it's about managing margin both in the…

Bryce Hamming

Analyst

Thanks Stuart. Good morning everyone. For the third quarter we reported earnings from mine operations before depletion and amortization of $36 million and adjusted EBITDA of $32 million. Earnings this quarter continued to benefit from the recovering copper price coupled with our revised mine plan implemented in April to reduce site costs. Taseko also had a further $4.4 million in upward provisional copper adjustments included in revenue resulting in an average realized price of 3.15 per pound in revenue. We were also successful in keeping our concentrated inventory at the end of September lower with the continued focus on our shipping schedule. Ending inventory was 3.6 million pounds of copper in concentrate compared to 3.8 million pounds at the end of Q2. We had sales of 29 million pounds which was similar to our production at 29 million pounds. As Stuart noted site operating costs came in at $2 U.S. per pound and were higher compared to Q2 on a per pound basis as a result of the lower copper production and higher mining rates. We also capitalized less costs in Q3 compared to Q2 as we mined the remaining ore out of the last benches of the granite pit with an inherently low strip ratio. The strengthening Canadian dollar by $0.06 over the quarter also contributed to higher sight costs in U.S. dollar terms as substantially all our costs at Gibraltar Canadian dollar-based but the year-over-year savings and site costs in total dollars including capitalized stripping was a 19% improvement compared to the prior quarter in 2019. And we are very pleased with that. We continue to see some ongoing cost savings heading into Q4 including diesel costs at site still $0.23 less today than we forecasted at the beginning of the year. As Stuart mentioned we purchased copper…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Joel Brown at TD. Please go ahead.

Joel Brown

Analyst

Hi guys. Congrats on another strong quarter. My question is just on grades over the near term. It was mentioned previously that grades in Q4 and Q1 and 2021 expect to be somewhat lower than what was seen in the second quarter. Do you expect grades to be somewhere near or at what they were for Q3 or should we expect something between the grades in Q2 and Q3 going forward?

Richard Tremblay

Analyst

Yes. So this is Richard Tremblay; Vice President operations. Grade for the next few quarters will be similar to Q3 and within the normal variations that we see quarter-over-quarter.

Joel Brown

Analyst

Okay. Great. I guess my second question here, it was mentioned in the MD&A that there had been preparations to had begun for incorporating this historical Gibraltar pit. Just given its expected productivity and cost improvements I was just wondering if you could provide an estimate on the capital required to restart operations at that pit.

Richard Tremblay

Analyst

So Richard Tremblay again. Really the main portion of capital is associated with de-watering of that pit and it's in the $8 million to $10 million range.

Joel Brown

Analyst

Okay. And then my final question here. I'm just looking forward to next year should we expect copper production to be roughly at the same ballpark for guidance for 2020? Is there any expectations on a change in the general 2021 capital expenditure program at Gibraltar?

Stuart McDonald

Analyst

Yes. Joel it's Stuart here. Yes we haven't given in, we're not giving any guidance for 2021 at this point. We're still working through our budgeting process which we always do and we do focus on margins as we talked about in the call, not just on maximizing production but generally speaking at Gibraltar we've talked about with the long term producing about 130 million pounds a year plus or minus 5%. Those are kind of long-term numbers that we can expect and so we don't expect anything dramatically different than that next year. But as I said have not given kind of official guidance at this point. Did you have a question, sorry, you had a question about CapEx as well? Could you repeat that?

Joel Brown

Analyst

Yes. I was just wondering if you could provide color on that for next year but I understand if those numbers aren't set yet.

Stuart McDonald

Analyst

Yes. I mean generally there is no major CapEx requirements to execute our long-term plan. I think there is as Richard mentioned there is a little bit of CapEx required to dewater and open up the Gibraltar pit which will become one of our sources of ore later next year but no normally I think generally speaking you can expect similar types of CapEx as what we've seen in the past anywhere from maybe $15 million to $20 million on an annual basis something like that.

Joel Brown

Analyst

Okay. Perfect. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Nick Jarmoszuk from Stifel. Please go ahead.

Nick Jarmoszuk

Analyst

Hi, good morning. I just wanted to get a little better understanding on the grades. So you're moving to the Pollyanna pit. Can you talk about what the low and high grades are through the pit and what sort of variation there is in this new ore body?

Richard Tremblay

Analyst

Yes. So Richard Tremblay again. So grade in Pollyanna pit varies anywhere from the [indiscernible] but they will be lows in the mid-grade range and the 0.17 and zones that are high grade up to the 0.3 range.

Nick Jarmoszuk

Analyst

And then on a quarterly basis should we assume that it should be in the sort of 0.24 range on a just as the ore gets processed?

Richard Tremblay

Analyst

We don't give quarterly guidance. We stick to annual 12-month periods and so you can kind of refer to the previous comments on annual guidance but we're not going to get into too many details on quarterly production. I think what we have said is that you can expect plus or minus 10% type grades on the reserve average in any particular quarter but over 12 month periods it's been pretty stable. So that's probably as much as we would want to say on that.

Nick Jarmoszuk

Analyst

Okay. And then it seems like you've got three major things that need to be addressed. First one is permitting. You have the JV and you've got the nearing maturity of the 2022 notes. Are those items able to occur independently or is everything hinged upon getting the permitting so you can get a JV, so you can refinance the notes?

Richard Tremblay

Analyst

No, I mean the way that we're thinking about that first on the Florence financing is, we don't believe we need the permits in hand to get a Florence financing package in place. Certainly that we don't need to draw down funds until we have the permits and start construction but we can get the package in place and that's our plan to do that so that we have it prior to permits. We think once we have a financing package in place and potentially permits obviously that puts us in strong position for the bond refinance but bond markets are strong as well and so that is kind of moving, that's moving independently. So we keep an eye on bond markets. We believe that we'll be in a stronger position when we have a Florence financing package in place to go there but as I said kind of keep all of our options open.

Nick Jarmoszuk

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. That's all I had.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Don DeMarco at National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Don DeMarco

Analyst

Hi. Good morning Russ and Stuart. Gentlemen, question about the $9 million credit facility. Can you tell me what the terms of this facility are and also how does it rank relative to the first lien bonds? Is it ahead of these bonds or on like a [perry] pursue on equal to these bonds? Thanks.

Bryce Hamming

Analyst

Yes. It's Bryce Hamming. The $9 million facility was entered into by Gibraltar joint venture. So it's structurally senior to the bonds. It is a demand facility. It doesn't have its revolving term and it's used or intended for issuing letters of credit to suppliers as part of our trade finance work capital needs. So that's something that we'll look to deploy as needed in that context. It doesn't, yes it's a specific [indiscernible] under the bonds for suppliers, trade finance needs.

Don DeMarco

Analyst

Yes. Exactly and so what is the, what are the terms on this facility in terms of the cost?

Bryce Hamming

Analyst

It's around, it's a relatively cheap facility. It's our cheapest one. Our equipment loans and leases are in the sort of 5% to 6% range and this one will be a few percent cheaper than that. It's only, there is no standby cost to it. We only pay when we issue letters of credit. So it's something that we're keeping as a tool to manage over the coming months and quarters.

Don DeMarco

Analyst

Yes. Okay. Makes sense.

Bryce Hamming

Analyst

Yes. And it's back 100% guaranteed by EDC on an unsecured basis. But it is structurally senior to the bonds.

Don DeMarco

Analyst

Okay. Great. That's all for me. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And the next question comes from Ben Davis at Liberum. Please go ahead.

Ben Davis

Analyst

Thanks guys for the call. Just a quick one on Florence. I was just wondering what's happening at the test facility there? I think the last we had it was going through a rinse phase. How long will that taken? Are you planning doing any ramping that back up on another set of boreholes or is that, is anything else that can kind of prove up the efficacy of the in-situ model? What are the plans?

Richard Tremblay

Analyst

Okay. So Richard here again. So at Florence we're still in the rinsing phase and will be throughout 2021 as required under the temporary APP permit that we have. So one of the requirements is to demonstrate to regulators, the rinsing process and how it works and the effectiveness of it.

Ben Davis

Analyst

Okay. Great. Actually just as a left field one I was just wondering if anyone had any further color on molybdenum prices at this point. I mean there is been a small recovery but it's still clearly the laggard out there versus the rest of the sort of the commodity spectrum. I was just wondering if you guys had any further thoughts on it?

Stuart McDonald

Analyst

Ben yes Stuart here. No, it's not an easy market to track. Prices have dropped down to around $8 but we don't have any particular insight into it. We're happy to sell the products. It gives us a good byproduct credit. I guess it's the demand is tied somewhat to pipeline and obviously oil and gas has struggled but yes nothing, no great insights for you there unfortunately. Sorry.

Ben Davis

Analyst

No worries.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions. I will now turn it back over for closing comments.

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

Okay. Thanks everyone. Yes. Thanks for everyone's attendance on the call and we will talk to you again in February for year-end results. Bye now.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and we ask that you please disconnect your lines.