Umer Raffat
Analyst · Umer Raffat from Evercore. Please go ahead
Kåre, is there any chance of a blowup of the current settlement by J&J and distributors? And I ask because there are still a few reports of state AGs and certain counties, et cetera, not participating. So I wanted to gauge your thoughts there and whether that's necessarily a good or bad thing from Teva perspective? And then secondly, I know there's still some lingering litigation lingering litigation between Teva and former Allergan now AbbVie on what percentage of the liability may potentially have to be covered by that entity on your opioid side? Can you just catch us up there? And what would your base case expectation be on what percentage of the cash balance has to be put up by them? Thank you very much.
Kåre Schultz: Thanks, Umer, for the two questions. So first of all, the overall nationwide settlement that has been announced between the three distributors and J&J. I think the risk of what you call a blowup or lack of participation is extremely low. And the reason why I say it is that, since the framework where you could say there was basically a majority that wanted to participate because it was really negotiated with the lead plaintiff lawyers and with the lead state AGs. There's been a lot of work going on behind the scenes with everybody, including us. And it's quite clear to me that the majority of the states realize that if anything, good is going to come out of this then there has to be a global settlement, because otherwise, we will have potentially 3,000 court cases, which will drag out over the next 10, 20 years. And some, they might win, some they might lose. In the meantime, it will make its way to the Supreme Court, where there might be a win or a loss. So it's totally unpredictable what will happen. And it's not going to help the U.S. population in terms of those people who suffer from substance abuse. If you want to help people and if you want to improve the situation, then we need to do something about it. And there's this very, very sad fact that since all restrictions have been put in place by everybody, everybody is doing all they can to avoid any kind of abuse of prescription medication. We all know from statistics that the majority of the use today and for many years has been illegal, fentanyl, illegal methamphetamine coming from China, coming from Mexico, coming from Colombia and so on. And it's the fight against that, and it's the help to people suffering from substance abuse in the form of the Suboxone, in the form of money going to therapy and so on that can help the situation. So, I must admit, I can't see how this will blow up because politically, and practically, this is the only solution. And at the end of the day, this is not really a legal situation at the core of it, this is really a societal political situation at the core of it. And therefore, I think we're also seeing now kind of a political/legal resolution, which I think will work for the majority. There might be some holdouts in the subdivisions. I think we saw already the judge in Cleveland putting pressure on these subdivisions saying, you should indirectly you should join this because if you don't join, I'll put all the pressure on you to supply all the details for your county, for your region, for your native tribe or whatever it is. And that's a lot of work and a lot of pressure to put, of course, on the subdivisions because the judge in this case in Cleveland, I think he also wants to see an overall settlement. So, I don't think it's going to blow up. If it blew up, then, of course, it would be us taking it case by case. Right now, we have two cases, California and New York. It's always hard to predict. The only thing I'll say, it's not a clear cut case either way, which means that the plaintiff lawyers and the states, they have a big risk as well in all of this. And that's what I think is part of why we will see a settlement also with Teva. And I actually said within the coming years, so I didn't say within this year, I said within the coming year. And that's what I still believe. When it comes to Allergan, there's no real litigation with Allergan at all on this. There is, of course, a situation that Allergan owned Actavis and Actavis was sold on to Teva. And when it comes to liability, it always has a component of the owner and has a component of the actual legal entity, and it has a component of timing. On top of that, of course, Allergan has its own independent opioid product that has nothing to do with Teva or Actavis whatsoever. So the way I look at it is that Allergan/Actavis be will most likely end up settling with the plaintiff lawyers in the states in an independent settlement. We will settle with them in an independent settlement, and that will be the end of that. So thanks for those two questions.