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Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Limited (TEVA)

Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 8, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter 2017 Financial Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation, followed by a question-and-answer session I must advise you this conference is being recorded today, Thursday, February 8, 2018. And I'd now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Kevin Mannix, Senior Vice President, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Thank you, Tracy, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today to discuss Teva's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2017 Financial Results. Earlier this morning, we issued our press release detailing our results for the quarter and year. A copy of the press release as well as the copy of the slides being presented on this call can be found on our website at www.tevapharm.com as well as on our Teva Investor Relations app. Our discussion today includes certain non-GAAP measures as defined by the SEC. Management uses both GAAP financial measures and the disclosed non-GAAP financial measures internally to evaluate and manage the company's operations to better understand its business. Further, management believes the inclusion of non-GAAP financial measures, provides meaningful supplementary information to and facilitates analysis by investors in evaluating the company's financial performance, results of operations and trends. Reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures are available in our earnings release and in today's presentation. Today, Kåre Schultz, our Chief Executive Officer, will open the call with some remarks on our annual results, recent events and outlook for 2018. Mike McClellan, our Chief Financial Officer, will review the fourth quarter financial results in more detail and discuss additional assumptions around our 2018 outlook. I'd also like to note that on the call with us and available during the Q&A is Brendan O'Grady, Teva's Head of North America Commercial. And with that, I'll now turn the call over to Kåre. Kåre, if you would please. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: Good morning, everybody, and thanks for calling in. Before we start, please read our cautionary note regarding forward-looking statements. As Kevin said, I'll address the full year and if we start looking on the revenues, then revenues came in marginally above 2016 and there was, of course,…

Michael McClellan - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Okay, thank you, Kåre. Good morning, everyone. You've received a lot of information today in our press release, and I'd like to take the time I have to highlight what we think are some important areas of our results to focus on as well as to share with you some key assumptions that we have made for our outlook of 2018. So turning to slide 11, we start with our review of our GAAP performance where we posted a quarterly GAAP operating loss of $13 billion in the fourth quarter of 2017. This is driven primarily from $14.3 billion of impairments mainly related to U.S. generic business in goodwill and other intangibles and partially offset by a gain on our Women's Health divested business and a one-time tax benefit that I'll go into later. During the fourth quarter of 2017, we noted further deterioration in the U.S. generics market and the economic environments, which included additional pricing pressure in the U.S. generics market as a result of the customer consolidation to larger buying groups, capable of extracting greater price reductions. We also saw pricing challenges due to government regulation and a decrease in the value of our future launches as well as some other changes. As a result of this, we've adjusted certain of our assumptions used in the cash flow projections of the fourth quarter of 2017 to determine the fair value of our U.S. generics reporting unit. Based on this, we have recorded a goodwill impairment of $11 billion related to our U.S. generics reporting unit in the fourth quarter of 2017. So turning to slide 12, for the non-GAAP adjustments for the quarter, we had net adjustments of $12.5 billion. This includes the $11 billion impairment of goodwill that I just discussed related to our U.S. generics…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Your first question comes from the line of Douglas Tsao of Barclays. Please ask your question.

Douglas Tsao - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the (00:25:19) questions. Just in terms of the comments in the press release, you referenced some worsening of the U.S. generic market in the fourth quarter. Do you have a sense of the impact from the – Econdisc joining WBAD? And also just the comments, I might have missed it in the prepared remarks, contributions from fremanezumab in the 2018 guidance? Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: Yes. Thanks for the questions. I'll take the fremanezumab first and then Brendan will give you a review on the U.S. generics. In the guidance for 2018, fremanezumab basically has insignificant revenue. And that's simply because it's a launch that we are hoping to see sometime in the middle of the year and with a slow takeoff, which is the case for this new area where we'll see an expansion of the therapy, but not an existing market (00:26:13). We have very modest expectations, insignificant expectations for the revenue. However, it is an important product for us long-term since we believe there's a huge potential in the migraine market. Brendan?

Brendan O'Grady - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Analyst

Yeah, good morning, everybody, and thanks for the question. In regards to the U.S. generic market in the fourth quarter, I think it's just what we continue to see is the continued price erosion. I don't think that Econdisc joining the WBAD group had really much to do with it. It's just a continuation of what we've seen in the overall market.

Douglas Tsao - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Louise Chen of Cantor. Please ask your question.

Louise Chen - Cantor Fitzgerald Securities

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. Appreciate it. So first question I had was, what do you see as the longer-term vision for Teva and the growth drivers for Teva in 2019 and beyond, if you could elaborate more on that, that would be very helpful. What are your pushes and pulls on the generic launch side for sales and earnings in 2018? And then last question is how do you think you can achieve historical levels of sales growth with the cost cuts that you've implemented for Teva? Thank you. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: Thank you, Louise. I'll try to actually combine your first and last question, and then Brendan will give some perspective to the U.S. generics. We think that we can return to historical growth after you could say the process of having COPAXONE go down in sales due to the generic competition and then having our new specialty products, AUSTEDO and fremanezumab coming into the market and starting to accelerate into meaningful numbers. At the same time, we believe we can stabilize our generics and OTC business worldwide and increase the margin on that business long-term by simply having a more profit-oriented portfolio strategy for that whole business. That does not mean that we expect to see significant revenue increases in our global generic business, but it does mean that we expect to see better margin developments over the coming years. So you could say we are sort of turning the strategy around from being a very volume-driven strategy to now being a much more profitability-driven strategy and the combination of a stable generics segment with increasing profitability and COPAXONE basically stabilizing at a significantly lower level than where it was a couple years ago and then the new specialty products taking off, that's really what makes us believe that we have a strong future ahead of us. But Brendan, over to you on the pulls and pushes for generics 2018.

Brendan O'Grady - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Analyst

Yes. So if you continue to look at the generic market in the U.S. through 2018, I think that as Kåre mentioned, our goal is to stabilize the business. It is to stabilize the base business. And as we work through that, we have significant launches planned in 2018. We've already executed four of those launches and we will continue to do that throughout the year. So I think overall, we're very optimistic about how the business will transform in 2018 and as we get control of that.

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Vamil Divan of Credit Suisse. Please ask your question. Vamil K. Divan - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Hi. Great. Thanks so much. Just a little bit more on fremanezumab. I know you said you're in dialogue with the FDA regarding the approval. Is it produced at the same plant that Celltrion has the warning letter on or is it at a different plant? I'm just trying to understand your level of confidence given the warning letter? And then the second one just more on the commercial side for that product. Curious if you can provide a little bit of detail in terms of how you plan to present that commercially in terms of the type of device or the needle gauge. I noticed in the trials that have been published in the New England Journal, there's about 30% injection site reaction with that product, similar to what is in placebo on that trial? So just curious if there's something that's going to change to bring those rates down in the real world. Thanks. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: Thanks for those questions, Vamil. I'll handle both of them. First, on the warning letter that Celltrion got is for a large facility which both includes A, part of the facility which is producing API and another part of the facility which is doing finished pharmaceutical manufacturing. And the comments in the one letter and in the original 483 is really on the finished pharmaceutical part of the plant, which is what was inspected last summer when FDA inspected the plant. So you could say the warning letter and the comments have nothing to do with the API side, but it is the same huge manufacturing setup. So it…

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Randall Stanicky of RBC Capital Markets. Please ask your question.

Randall S. Stanicky - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst

Great. Thanks. I just have a couple. First, just based on the amended covenants, it implies or at least seems to imply that EBITDA will grow annually going forward. So I just want to confirm is that the case and then what type of growth are you looking for, and where is that growth specifically coming from? Thank you. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: Thanks, Randall. It's coming from what I explained before. Basically you will see a pressure next year from COPAXONE still losing sales due to generic erosion. And then you'll see an uplift coming both from the top line in the form of AUSTEDO and fremanezumab and then you will see the uplift coming from the full implementation of the restructuring plan. So how that will exactly play out in detail in 2019 is difficult for me to quantify. But it's quite clear that the basic business plan we have for the next five years is, of course, for these uplifts to overtake the downward pressure from the COPAXONE generics and thereby getting us back into a situation where we're growing EBITDA.

Randall S. Stanicky - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst

Got it. So just to be clear, EBITDA in 2019 and 2020, we should expect that to be growing and how about the revenue line? Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: So that's – like I said, for 2019, it's too early to say because you have two different things happening at the same time. But you will expect the costs will grow – will decrease. So the implementation of the restructuring plan will take the spend base down. The specialty sales of AUSTEDO and fremanezumab will be increasing and then we'll have a decrease of COPAXONE. But I can't tell you how big it's going to be because that depends on how big will the downturn on COPAXONE be in 2018. And that means that longer term, it's for sure that COPAXONE will stabilize, the other two specialty products will be growing and we'll be reducing the spend base. That's why I'm answering that longer term, you'll see EBITDA growing, but it's hard for me right now to give you a specific number for 2019.

Randall S. Stanicky - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst

Okay. Understood. And then Kåre, could you just comment on your ability to focus on BD to help support medium-term growth over the next couple of years? Thank you. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: Yes. That's a very short answer because we won't do any fixed structural BD at all, because we don't have the cash to do it and we don't want to do it. We want to consolidate, integrate and pay down debt. We might do some small early-stage in-licensing, but that's not really big-time BD, and that's not a lot of money. So, of course, we're looking constantly to in-license exciting products that 6 to 10 years from now can reach the marketplace.

Michael McClellan - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Yeah, Randall, I would add to what Kåre said that when you're looking at those covenants, also remember we're expecting to pay down significant amounts of debt over each of those years. So that also helps with the leverage.

Randall S. Stanicky - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst

Right. Okay. Thanks, guys.

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Thanks. Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gregg Gilbert of Deutsche Bank. Please ask your question.

Gregg Gilbert - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Yes, hi. A couple quick ones for Mike and then some generic questions. Mike, what non-operating items, if any, are you including in the free cash flow guidance for 2018, and can you give us AUSTEDO sales in the quarter? And then generically, I was hoping Kåre, you could comment on – in some more detail – on the conversations you've been having with generic buyers on the subject of raising price versus discontinuation? And lastly, can you comment on your ability to file your generic Xifaxan again in the near term or ever? And lastly, why didn't you get a Lialda final given that you had a tentative and it could have gone final, as far as we know, last month? Thanks.

Michael McClellan - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

So I'll take the first question. So basically, the way we've framed free cash flow is basically our cash flow from operations, less our net CapEx. So the CapEx is reduced from that. If you look at special items in that free cash flow, we do include the $700 million we will get from the working capital settlement we did from Actavis – or from Allergan, but it will be offset by about $800 million of cash restructuring expenditures. So otherwise it's really pretty much consistent with the net income that you will see driven in the free cash flow. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: With regard to the discussion with the key buyers, then, of course I've been involved in some of those discussions and they're very constructive and positive, but it's really Brendan who is, of course, on a daily basis close to the customers, so I'll let Brendan give you some more light on that.

Brendan O'Grady - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Analyst

Yeah, thanks, Kåre. So we've met with all three of the major customers and we continue to meet with our major customers and have explained the situation and what our intent there is. And I think that we have a good positive relationship with all of them. The discussion and the discourse has been good. And I suspect that we will wind up in one of three plays. There will be products where that are not profitable for us because they'll move to other suppliers. There's a group of products that we will be successful in increasing the price on to a profitable level and there will be this third bucket of products that we'll work with our customers over a period of time to address those issues. Our goal here is not to create any shortages or disruptions in the market. And we pledge to do that with our customers. So I think we have a very good working relationship as we move forward.

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Can you say anything on the products.

Brendan O'Grady - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Analyst

Yeah, and on Lialda, we continue to work through the regulatory process and we are working towards an approval and expect an approval on that product in 2018.

Gregg Gilbert - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

And the Xifaxan filing lastly?

Brendan O'Grady - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Analyst

Yeah, so we're in active discussions with the FDA on that as well and we'll see where that goes.

Gregg Gilbert - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Thanks.

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Thanks. Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Liav Abraham from Citi. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Liav Abraham - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you. Just a couple of questions. Firstly, given some of the comments that you made on your generics business in the U.S., can you just comment on what the pricing erosion was on the base business in Q4 and what your expectations are for U.S. base erosion of the generics business in 2018? And then secondly, on the gross margin, just based on my calculations, the implied gross margin for 2018, based on your guidance, is in the mid to high 40% range. Is that assumption reasonable? And Mike, maybe you can comment on the key drivers behind this compression versus 2017. I'm assuming it's predominantly COPAXONE and partly generics, if you can comment on that. Thank you. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: Let me start by a general comment on pricing and price erosion. Going forward, we will no longer be giving specific comments on specific numbers for price erosion. And I'd like to just take a little time to explain the logic behind that. From a competitive point of view, sharing with your competitors and your customers details on your expected price development to me seems counterproductive from a competitive point of view. So this is partly maybe the reason for the downward spiral in the generics marketplace. It's like, if you say it's 10%, everybody will ask for 12%. If you say it's 15%, everybody will ask for 17%. And in my mind, that doesn't help our business. So going forward, we won't give any specific numbers on this. And I think that will help us stabilize the business. And we won't give you the details either on exactly how much is being discontinued, how much is being repriced and how we're seeing the overall price development. We will, of course, share with you every quarter the realized numbers and we will also share with you broadly the total outlook we are expecting, but none of these pricing details. However, we don't have any problems with sharing what we talked about last year. And Brendan, you can give a comment on the Q4 erosion.

Brendan O'Grady - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Analyst

Yeah. So the Q4 erosion was pretty much in line with industry expectations, about 13%.

Michael McClellan - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Yeah. So I can take the question on overall gross margins. So if you look at Teva as a whole, our expectations of gross margin percentage are roughly 50% next year. It's – versus a full year in 2017; we were closer to 55%. The 5 percentage point drop is driven mainly by pricing pressure on COPAXONE as well as pricing pressure in the U.S. generics. We also see a little bit of a currency impact there. You do have the results of the divested businesses coming out. But the majority of the 4-point erosion is really pricing on COPAXONE and the price erosion on U.S. generics, the base and the transition including Concerta.

Liav Abraham - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you.

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Umer Raffat of Evercore. Please ask your question.

Umer Raffat - Evercore Group LLC

Analyst

Hi. Thanks so much for taking my question. I guess I wanted to focus on CGRP and ask, is it typical to have only one API source on a high-priority program like this? And how long would it take to either sign up a new API or resolve this warning letter? And then if I may, what were the AUSTEDO sales in 4Q? Thank you. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: Thank you, Umer. So on the CGRP; we are planning to have more than one source. At this one moment, we only have one source, which is Celltrion. But we are planning to have actually one more supplier coming up. And we are also building our own capacity. So longer term, we will have two suppliers. The second supplier is not ready right now. So we really have to resolve this together with the FDA and Celltrion and we are optimistic that we can do that. If you think about how long it typically takes to resolve a warning letter, then you can say we've just started our sales in China successfully right now, and I would say typically it can take anywhere from 16 to 18 months to do it. That would be sort of the normal take on it. And then it's a little different, you see from the day of the original inspection report or the day of the warning letter, that depends on how active you've been working on it since the day you got the 483. So that is roughly the timelines that we are talking on. On AUSTEDO sales in Q4, I'll let Brendan comment on that.

Brendan O'Grady - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Analyst

Yeah, so AUSTEDO sales in Q4 were in line with expectations and were $17 million.

Umer Raffat - Evercore Group LLC

Analyst

Kåre, if I may, are you saying AUSTEDO should – sorry – are you saying CGRP should be approved 16 months – 16 to 18 months from now or do you think your second API will kick in before that? Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: No, I'm not saying that. First of all, what I'm saying is that the inspection that happened at Celltrion was in their finished pharmaceutical manufacturing, where you do the filling of products and the finished products. A part of the factory during the API was not inspected and didn't have any warning letter or any comments to it because it wasn't inspected. We are working now to have a standard PAI inspection in connection with our file, just like we've had the finished manufacturing is being expected right now. That's actually with a supplier in Europe and the clinical sites are also being inspected by FDA, so they're working diligently on this file. So in that respect, we hope that we can have a PAI of the API in Celltrion, and based on that, we can go into the marketplace. So it all remains to be seen how it plays out. But I'm not saying that it will be 18 months from now.

Umer Raffat - Evercore Group LLC

Analyst

Thank you.

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jami Rubin of Goldman Sachs. Please ask your question. Jami Rubin - Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC: Thank you. Just have a couple. Mike, if you can just be a little bit more explicit on your year-end net debt forecast. You said you would be lowering it by $3.5 billion, but that's what from what? I think you ended 2017 at $32.5 billion. But when we've read the press release last week, you had started to bring that down to around $30 billion. So where are we going to end at the end of this year, and if you could kind of talk about the past to net debt reduction going forward? And then just another question, you just announced that you amended your covenants to now 5.9 times from 5 times. And typically companies provide themselves with some cushion. But if I take the midpoint of your EBITDA guidance of this year of $4.85 billion and apply that to a net debt number of, say, $28 billion, $29 billion, and again, that's where I need your help, I'm getting at about 5.7 to 5.9 times, brushing up against your just-announced amendment. And just wondering if I'm looking at that correctly. Wouldn't you want to have a little bit more cushion there? And then secondly, Kåre, if you could, again, be a little bit more explicit on timing of fremanezumab. That's 16 months from what? From the original 483 letter? If you could just put that 16 to 18 months in perspective. And what is – how likely is it that this fremanezumab could be launched on a timely basis? It seems like that would be pretty low. Thanks.

Michael McClellan - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Yeah. So I'll take the first couple of questions, and then I'll turn it over to Kåre. So our year-end gross debt in our slides was $32.5 billion, and we had about $1 billion in cash. So a net debt of $31.5 billion at the end of 2017. We do expect to pay down at least $3.5 billion. That's driven by the free cash flow that you see in our guidance, plus the $700 million from the ex-U.S. Women's Health sale that's not in the free cash flow. We will also look on top of that to see if we do additional asset divestments. We haven't put that in the outlook because we're still in the middle of looking at what could be of value to divest. But that is also part of our plans. If you look at the amended covenants, you're right that we did put it up at 5.9. We agreed the covenants a couple weeks ago. In the meantime, we got the surprise news that the Pfizer plant that had been under a warning letter might come online a little bit earlier for a potential second COPAXONE 40 milligram generic. We still feel comfortable with our covenants, especially given the fact that we could do some asset divestments in 2018. But it's clear that we did need to move the covenants up. We feel very confident in that. We have a great relationship with our banking partners, and they gave us a wonderful support there. But it's something we're going to have to manage very closely as we go into the rest of 2018. And then when we really start to see more of the restructuring plan kick in, in 2019, that should give us an additional cash flow to help pay down debt. So we…

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Okay. Next question, please.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ken Cacciatore of Cowen & Company. Please ask your question. Ken Cacciatore - Cowen & Co. LLC: Hi thanks. Just had one question on fremanezumab. Your competitors are going to be launching with auto-injectors. Just wondering and you're indicating you're going to launch with a pre-filled syringe. Are you working on an auto-injector? The products I don't think are that differentiated. So just little things could matter. Just want to know if you are working to try to put your product into an auto-injector. Thank you. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: Yes, it's a simple answer, yes, we are and we expect to have one within sort of a relatively short future. I don't think it's a huge difference and especially not for that segment who would like to have injections only four times a year. You would probably decide to go to the doctor to begin with and have the injections at a clinic. And it's a standard pre-filled syringe we have. It's no different from what's being used by millions of people every day. So we don't see it as a big issue for us. But of course, we will also have an auto-injector.

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Thank you. Next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from David Maris of Wells Fargo. Please ask your question.

David Maris - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst

Morning. A few questions. So first, what are the number of products that you've cut that were unprofitable and the number of products that you raised prices on so far? Secondly, on R&D, expenses were down quite a bit. Can you just walk through or give us some color on where those cuts are coming from, how you determined what to cut and why investors shouldn't look at this and think that that kind of impairs the growth going forward? And then lastly, does the 2018 guidance assume debt refinancing of the near-term maturities? Thank you. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: So I'll take the two first ones, and Mike can take the one about the debt. So in terms of the number of products, it's too early to say because we are right now in dialogue with our key customers. And of course, we are discussing with them, like Brendan said, the options of either us adjusting the price, making them profitable again, or us getting out of the contracts on them in a timely manner. But, of course, we won't leave any patients without products. We won't sort of leave any customers without supplies. And typically our contracts are for an average of six months into the future. So this is something we can tell you more about once this year has passed. But we can't really tell you the outcome right now. With regard to R&D, I alluded to it a little bit by explaining that we have cut roughly 25 projects in our sort of branded specialty R&D. That's roughly 27% of our projects. And basically what we have done is we've looked at where our core capabilities are, our core skills, and kept all projects in those areas. So these are the areas, of course, of neurology, CNS and so on. And then we have set the more sort of Blue Ocean, more creative high-risk projects, those we're taking out. If you look historically, then Teva has been very successful on taking good ideas within the space of neurology and CNS into its pipeline from other research organizations and then develop the projects, whereas it has not been our strength to do the basic research. And that means some of the projects where we've been doing basic research and where it's very sort of far away from our core competencies, we've decided to close those. And I think it won't really hurt the return on investment on our R&D investments and it won't hurt the future outlook of the company. In the space of generics, what we've done is we've started to look at it more from a portfolio point of view. So look at the portfolio of NDAs, we have the portfolios of ANDAs we have, which of these are the most valuable and which of these are very marginal in value, and thereby getting a more profitability-oriented way of building up our portfolio of generics projects.

Michael McClellan - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Yeah. So when it comes to the 2018 outlook and debt refinancing, a couple things I would note here is that you may have noticed that we filed an S3 a couple weeks ago. That is just normal good corporate governance. We didn't have an active S3 at that time. But it is giving us eventually the opportunity to potentially come to the market with some debt offerings. Looking at our cash flows going forward and our debt maturities in the coming years, we are actively looking at potentially doing some refinancing of the near term. And the finance expenses that I mentioned in my 2018 outlook assumptions do include a little bit of an extra interest expense assumption for some minor refinancing in the $3 billion to $4 billion range if we decide to do it.

David Maris - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ronny Gal of Bernstein. Please ask your question. Aharon Gal - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC: Good morning, everybody. Thank you for taking my questions. I'm going to touch, if you don't mind, on fremanezumab first, which is, is the facility that Celltrion has, pays two facilities fees, one for the API and one for the fill finish, or is it essentially one facility fee? Because obviously that will depend – move things regulatorily. And second, is COPAXONE still running around $700 million? It's been a long debate why Teva's CapEx is so much above other generic companies. Is it something that you're seeing opportunity to bring to like the $400 million or $500 million level over time or is this still something that you expect to stay above kind of like industry norm longer term?

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Ronny, can you just clarify in your second question what you were referring to, again on the $700 million? Aharon Gal - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC: The CapEx, capital expenses. Sorry.

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

CapEx. Okay. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: So let me comment on the fremanezumab and the Celltrion facility. So the facility from a regulatory point of view is the same facility. It's a huge facility. But the part of the facility that was inspected was the finish-fill and pack manufacturing side, not the API part of the side. But from a regulatory point of view, it's the same facility site number, so to speak. Aharon Gal - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC: Got it. So if you kind of look at that and look at the fact that the letter came to Celltrion on January 26, and they're telling them to hire consultants and do couple of independent assessment of compliance in that letter. Is it realistic this will come-in in six months? Because I kind of look at this and just go in the cycle time to do that has to be a little bit longer than that. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: Yeah. But the key issue for us is not exactly what timing it takes to close out that warning letter. The key issue here is that our manufacturing of API is happening in a completely separate part of the facility, which was not inspected by the FDA. So we will, of course, be in a dialogue with FDA where we can hopefully conclude that it's a good idea to inspect that part in a PAI inspection and then based on the result of that, see whether we can get the approval on time. But that all remains to be seen and we'll be in a dialogue with the FDA about it.

Michael McClellan - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Yeah. So Ronny, I can take your question on CapEx. The $700 million in CapEx we plan for 2018 is actually a decrease from this year. Aharon Gal - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC: Yeah.

Michael McClellan - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

And it would have went down even further except we are spending a sizeable amount to build a biologics plant in Germany, because one of the key strategic moves that we're making for the coming years is to have our own large-scale biologics manufacturing. So absent that, we'd probably be more in the $500 million range which you would see as more normal in the industry. Aharon Gal - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC: Great, thank you.

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Okay. Operator, we'll take one more question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Chris Schott of JPMorgan.

Chris Schott - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Great. Thanks very much. Just a couple quick ones here. First, maybe just coming back to the R&D spending. Could we just get a sense of, with the restructuring you're doing here, et cetera, how we should be thinking about absolute R&D spending as we think about 2018 and 2019? My second question was on the CGRP and sorry to keep coming back to this, but just to help set some of our expectations, when do you expect to have clarity on whether or not the FDA is going allow this approval despite the warning letter? Is it something we're just going to have to wait for the PDUFA or do you expect based on some of this dialogue, you'd be able to update us ahead of that PDUFA date? And then my final really quick question here is just on the timing of the optimization. Does the 2018 top-line guidance reflect much in the way of either product discontinuation and/or price increases on the generic portfolio or should we really think about portfolio optimization as more of a 2019 event as we think about the top-line impact? Thanks very much. Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: Thank you very much, Chris. I'll do, I think, all three of them. So if you think about the R&D spending, then you could say we have taken a significant reduction on it as part of our overall restructuring plan. And we will not be giving you the specific number. But you could say it's about close to $1 billion that we expect going forward. And we don't expect that to be dramatically different between 2018 and 2019, maybe slightly less in 2019 compared to 2018. And with regards to the CGRP, then what exactly was it you wanted to know?

Chris Schott - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

My question is just based – do you expect to have clarity from FDA prior to your PDUFA based on the dialogues or are we really going to have to wait for the PDUFA to see if this approach is going to be allowed? Kåre Schultz - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.: I think, of course, we will know once we get to the PDUFA date, but I think the most likely is that we will give you an update once we announce our first quarter results. This is not something where we will give you ongoing updates because you don't do that when you're in a dialogue with the FDA. So I should expect that the next time you'll hear from us on this topic will be when we announce our first quarter results and when we have the call in that connection. With regard to the last question on the generics, then you could say both in 2018 and 2019, of course, we expect to see results of this process. The results we expect in 2018 are included in our outlook. But they are very small in the sense that they have, of course, a slight negative effect on the revenue, and it's pretty much neutral to slightly positive effect on the earnings.

Chris Schott - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Analyst

Thank you.

Kevin C. Mannix - Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

Management

Okay. Well, thank you, everybody, for joining us today. We'll be available throughout the rest of the week and next week to take any additional questions and we look forward to seeing you all soon. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

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