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Tsakos Energy Navigation Limited (TEN)

Q2 2013 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 2, 2013

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Operator

Operator

[Abrupt Start] George Saroglou to give us all the actions that you have been taking and give you more detail of the last 180 days specifically with your last 90 days, thank you.

George Saroglou

Management

Thank you, Nikolas. It is my pleasure to speak with all of you today and provide with you details of the operation of another quarter. For those of you who are connected to the Internet in our website, there is an online slide presentation which format we will follow during the call. Let’s turn on Slide number there where we see the current fleet which consist of 28 product tankers all of them in the water producing for TEN. This is one of the largest product fleets in the market operating, in a product tanker market environment that continues to improve. The company has also 19 crude carriers where we’ve seen great improvements in certain routes in all three sectors in VLCC in the TD3 and Suezmax in TD5 and Aframax in TD5 which didn’t last as we enter the seasonally weak third quarter. The company also has two LNG vessels including one in the water and one on earth. The next slide gives us some market highlights despite new global economic outlook especially for the develop economist, global oil demand continues to grow. In July the International Energy Agency introduced its 2014 outlook which forecast demand growth of 1.2 million barrels per day over the 2013 period. We are currently about 91 million barrels per day which is an all-time high level although the market especially for crude tankers continues to have challenges and no major rate improvement is expected until the fourth quarter of the year. The good news is that we haven’t seen any new orders for crude tankers for more than a year and in the next two years the growth in all three categories VLCC, Suezmax, Aframax is very limited. With the Aframax fleet marginally reduced during the 2013 and 2014 period. Our product tanker,…

Paul Durham

Management

Thank you, George. The really encouraging news is that for the first 181 days of 2013 we effectively book even with the loss of only $500,000 versus $14.5 million loss in the first half of 2012. And quarter two although turned out better than expected, the net loss being $1.5 million clearly considerably better than an early $6 million loss of quarter two 2012. Operating income for quarter two was $8.6 million against $10 million in quarter two 2012. But, for the six months, we achieved $18.3 million operating income against $11.1 million in the first half of 2012. While quarter two revenue was actually a little better than quarter one, certain factors indulged the overall result back into (red) These were mainly the continued fickleness of the tanker market which especially hurt the Aframax’s spot results, and three dry-dockings against just one in the first quarter. This negatively impacted revenue, voyage expenses and operating expenses, which was additionally affected by a build-up of stores up to two built tightening quarters. One of these dry-dockings continued into quarter three. Fortunately, for the rest of the year only three more dry-dockings are currently scheduled of which only one Panamax Andes starts in the third quarter. Quarter two revenue after commission and voyage expenses at nearly $72 million was close to the previous 42 level. Well as for the six months $141 million was achieved versus $138 million in the first half year of 2012. The product carriers mainly influences with market related rates achieved higher average vessels in quarter two 2012 but slipped slightly from quarter one’s achievement due to seasonal factors. Suezmax earned less on average on that list in the previous quarter two and Aframax mainly on spot wages and slightly higher than prior quarter two. Despite cheaper fuel…

Nikolas Tsakos

Management

Thank you Paul and hopefully and during your autumn report you are going to report some profits. So again thank you very much for listening in and if there are any questions we will be very happy to flaunter and clarify any points. Thank you very much and we will be happy to open the floor for any questions.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) The first question we have today comes from the line of Ben Nolan from Stifel. Please ask your question.

Benjamin Nolan - Stifel Nicolaus

Management

I have a question actually a couple questions as it relates to the LNG vessel that is on order. And first of all can you maybe give us an update on financing and employment for that vessel? And then as it related to the option could you maybe give some sort of timeframe as to when you would need to exercise that option?

Nikolas Tsakos

Management

Yes well as we said before the LNG is one of the segment that we will keep on growing the business we will not be seeing the company becoming a full LNG (inaudible) for the time being in its current format. So we are looking very closely we ordered the vessel as 162,000 cubic a couple of quarters ago and then we have been talking to a lot of our clients and they have insisted that with the changes in what is happening mainly in the United States perhaps the 174 design could be more acceptable design for the major clients. So I have to say that we took this decision because we had clients in mind and the delivery is in the first quarter of 2016 we expect to start that for the vessel by the first quarter of 2014. We do not have to make anymore payments we have paid all our down payments from our cash flow for the vessel so we don’t have to make anymore payments until let’s say the fourth quarter of 2014 and of course by the time the vessel will have been chartered we feel strong about that and having been chartered the remaining will be financed. And second option vessel where we have technical options to fit the requirements of our clients, and we have it, it's going to be a fourth quarter event.

Benjamin Nolan - Stifel Nicolaus

Management

Okay perfect that’s very helpful and then the, may be associated with that when you upsize the capacity of the vessel does it cost more as there is more CapEx associated with it then it was originally the case and then my last sort of follow on question, could you may be give us an update as to where thing stand with respect to the idea of splitting some of the fixed rate assets into an MLP and may be, where thing stand timing that sort of thing?

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

Sure, sure. It’s like a buying a larger car. Usually the secondhand salesman wanting to pay more for a larger car than a smaller car but if you decide there to buy two cars they might let you have it for the initial price, if you know what I mean. So that’s where we are and it depends really what we will do with our option, this clarifies the position yes of course you have to pay more for a larger and newer design but if you end up doing two ships you might not have to do so. So that’s still going on and as far as the MLP, is one of the companies I think started with the decisions to go forward and I think it will be as we speak we have lined up and we are talking to underwriters, we have done a lot of progress, we have set up for order, the companies that might be required to do this and depending on the market environment there should be a fourth quarter to first quarter event as we speak today.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much, the next question here today comes from the line of Fotis Giannakoulis from Morgan Stanley, please ask your question.

Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley

Management

Yes, good afternoon and thank you, you had a really good quarter compared the overall shipping market particularly the crew tanker space and the similar companies very close to the profitability, hopefully next quarter. I want to ask you with your view on the overall shipping market, if you can position each of the sectors, meaning the cruise and the product and LNG containers and dry bulk sectors in the (inaudible) When do you see that each of this sectors will be turning around.

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

Fortis, thank you and first of all, congratulations for the very happy event in your life from all of us here around the table.

Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley

Management

Thank you very much, Nick.

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

Well as you understand, I mean we explain we are not so much focused on the dry cargo and container markets so let me start with the energy market which we are focusing all of our energy. I would say that we are seeing, as we speak, in the last six months done much better products market. And as long as people do not shoot themselves in the foot by overall (then) I think this is a market but as momentum for the next couple of years. So, we are positive in that I mean we are like it because we as George said we have the vessels 28 product carriers in the water already, and we are taking advantage of this I mean we are seeing, looking on the earnings or even we have smaller ships of 37,000 tonnes product that is earning in excess of $20,000 a day which is much more than people can say for crude carrier VLCCs. So that market seems to have turned a corner as far as demand is concerned and it’s up to us not to oversupply it, and as Vice Chairman of Intertanko, we are trying to tell our members but we should be careful not to oversupply the market because finally this market has turned the corner. Going on the crude carriers, I think whenever something is very depressed for a very long which is the case for crude carriers; this is the time that you start being optimistic. And we see signs that the market is balanced we see when there are movements of ships, moving out of the Mediterranean and going down to the U.S. gulf there you can feel the gap of even five or six ships meeting (inaudible) from the market so I think it’s the time of, this market should start turning. The LNG, if you follow the projects that are there done for the LNGs, the prospects are very, very positive, however as you know more bigger structural projects take a lot of financing and time and any (inaudible) slow down can put them six or nine or ten months down the road and that’s why we took a decision also to move the delivery of our ship for a six to nine months with a new orders because we believe that we will fall in a time where all the excess capacity that was ordered will be taken out of the market. So if you ask me, I would feel very strong for the number one for LNG. And then the offshore which is the market our shuttle tank is out there, products and crude to put them in line. And I am afraid I do not want to, I am not educated enough in the other markets to you give you an answer for containers and dry cargo. But perhaps in a personal call we can discuss these markets also.

Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley

Management

You mentioned earlier about your expansion plan from the potential were exercising well in the auction. Can you remind us what is the final bet that you can exercise this option? And also in the past there was a discussion for a potential additional shuttle tanker for even FPSO transaction. Is there any activity in this front?

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

Yes we're looking at all the fronts of energy; I think you start most of the ones that we're dealing with right now. The LNG we're looking at the option to be in the fourth quarter, on the shuttle tanker we're looking right now we haven't seen visiting our clients that are using shuttle tankers to see if finally we will take that option or do something else with it. On the FPSO a couple of days ago our very good VLCC vessel, the Millennium which we built in 1998 on the 15 year charter has been come out of that charter, and we're negotiating a five year FSO project with that. So we keep without losing the focus which is today chartering the ships, we are looking also at more exotic column markets.

Fotis Giannakoulis - Morgan Stanley

Management

So I understand that there are no immediate plans for acquisition, let's say product tankers. And also if you can comment on the LPG market, we saw some of your peers entering into this sector. And how do you view the potential of you buying LPG vessels as well?

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

I think we do not exclude we're saying the LPG market was actually follows on the trend of the LNG market, is having momentum. And we're an energy company, we do not exclude looking at these opportunities and actually we're building, big Korean yards are bringing us these possibilities. So we're looking at those too. But again we'll keep our focus on the day to day business.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Our next question today comes from the line of Urs Dur from Clarkes and Capital. Please ask your question.

Urs Dur - Clarkes and Capital

Management

Actually my question was on expansion plans, and I think you really addressed everything there. And as such I was just wondering what you thought of, we're seeing some real growth in the order book on the product tanker side and everybody talking about the eco-ship discussion. I was wondering if you could help us to the eco-ship value and your views on the design or whether you want to refrain from that I am not sure. But just to hear your expert view on that front?

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

: You want me to make headlines again. The things we say are very, I hope this is un-logical to everybody. But what we're saying is that we are all supporting technological changes. We have a team of our neighbor engineering and we always look at this, we build our shuttle tankers in a yard from scratch. But what we believe is that the technology and economy has to make also financial sense. What we're saying today is that for companies like ourselves with very modern clip, it's worth spending quarter to $0.5 million, if you kind of achieved, I am talking about the products that is not very large ships. You can achieve exactly the same results on an investment of $0.5 million other than investment of $36 million. So, right now, the market has been suffering from being flooded by vessels. So any ship owner with a long term view was not a short term fund or et cetera is looking to be able to make returns for him, his shareholders for a long period of time. So I think we're supporting the new technology. We believe that new technology always matures and you have a new technology after that coming. So from our case I believe we're doing good for the market to refrain from new buildings until charters are there to significantly pay for them and until the technology is proven. So, we are not against any of those ships but we believe that the industry, when I say we believe in Intertanko, which I represent as a Vice Chairman and since, we believe that the industry has suffered five years because of all the supply and supply we put in the market, but this does not mean that we are not going to look when the time comes for those new ships when the technology act surely will prove itself.

Urs Dur - Clarkes and Capital

Management

How about the possibility of modifying a record to these ships to seek out more efficiency, I know you run efficient ships in the first place, so it’s not a comment necessarily on your fleet but is that something you’ve considered for certain ships and do you think there is some value in doing that. Again, more of the broader market discussion, not referring to your specific fleet.

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

No, no, no. Also to our fleet, yes, we are doing so many special surveys, we’re putting the new paints, we’re objecting the team, we’re working on the propellers; we’re fixing the boilers, the blowers. So, right now we have a VLCC, I don’t want to give too much technical information. Now, VLCC is steaming towards north, burning in the mid 30s, between 35 and 38 tonnes. So, I think this is things you can achieve it more than ships with, we just spend a couple of million dollars on that VLCC once it was the yard to be able to achieve these results and of course instead of burning 70 or 80, if you able to burn another (inaudible) between 40 and 50 once it’s loaded, the (inaudible) huge to 20 or 30 tonnes in today’s environment instead $15,000 a day. So, there is a lot we can do as an industry, we’ve modern ships without having to order new ships with. I think we should, don’t be in the boat, I don’t know anybody who really wants to order ships and bring the market down. So, I think we should all be exactly in the same boat.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. The next question today comes from line of Omar Nokta from Global Hunter Securities. Please ask your question.

Omar Nokta - Global Hunter Securities

Management

: Thank you. Good afternoon guys. Just want to follow up on the comment you made regarding the VLCC, the Millennium rolls up contract soon an invention currently negotiating a five year charter, if I’m correct. I just wanted to get a sense on what kind of CapEx you’re looking at having to put into the vessel order to fully convert it into an FPSO?

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

Well, this yes, we are having this calculation, the vessel will be supporting vessel for the FPSO and I think the concepts in our regard that was couple of million. So, as the head of our bidding department conference, we take a couple of million plus about 20 days of (work), 30, 35 days of (work).

Omar Nokta - Global Hunter Securities

Management

: Just to be as an SPSO or just FSO.

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

That will be a supportive sort of supporting VLCC for our next year projects.

Omar Nokta - Global Hunter Securities

Management

: I have been understood, I thought for some reason that was going to be an SPSO.

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

Or else you’ll, so would be bit more extensive of that. :

Omar Nokta - Global Hunter Securities

Management

: Alright, so just a couple of million and little bit of our file?

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

Yes.

Omar Nokta - Global Hunter Securities

Management

: And are there any other assets in your portfolio now that you think would at some point go straight as well, I know you have a pretty modern fleet outside of the VLCC. But you see anything else that you would point in that direction?

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

Well, I think our first generation shows max which although they still have a very locative longer term employments, they would within in the next, naturally the next contenders when then market is better for sale kind (inaudible).

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. (Operator Instructions). We have a follow up question here from the line of (inaudible). Please ask your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Management

Actually, (inaudible) asked the question on the FPSO, that’s it for me. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions). Thank you very much. There are no further questions at this time. Please continue.

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

Well, thank you very much for participating. We hope that the next, our next report sometime in November would be even better. We hope it will be significant, better we want for all of you to enjoy August. Make sure that you drive a lot of your cars so you spend gasoline that we transport and you help report that might get better and wish you a nice and peaceful relaxing summer. Mr. Chairman. Some wise words from our Chairman. Thank you very much.

John Stavropoulos

Management

: I don’t know how wise they are. I’ve been reading the reports of the major oil companies, BP, Chevron, and Royal Dutch Shell, and I’m sure you have all seen that they are very concerned and distressed by the fact that their proven reserves are shrinking very rapidly. Their response is, they are going to do a lot more offshore and they are going to do a lot more in developing of gas resources. Both of these play very well into the future expansion of TEN, and we are very encouraged by that.

Nicolas Bornozis

Management

Thank you Chairman, thank you very much, bye, bye.