Tony Koblish
Analyst · Canaccord
Yes, that's a very, very interesting question. So look I'll go back to the start, right, of what we were trying to accomplish when we first launched this natural repair anti-plastic hernia platform, right. We wanted to be broad, we wanted to have a range that could do anything in hernia, and I think we have that and we're going to -- and believe it or not, there is way more we can do with it. We're going to put out new products over the next few years as well, that are going to help accelerate the breadth and the totality of our capability, which is good. But our initial starting point was moderate to complex ventral, that's where we wanted to start. that's why BRAVO wants this, and we wanted to prove ourselves in horrendous, difficult, complicated, contaminated, whatever the words are to describe these difficult ab wall procedures. And I think by and large, we've done that and we continue to do that. We have a very, very superb value proposition in those procedures compared to any other product. BRAVO 1 really really backs that up. So step 1 is in motion, I'm not going to say it's complete, because with more contracting and more access and more reps and more everything, that's going to grow. But step 2 was always from the beginning to leverage all of that experience and goodness in the performance of the product. If we could handle those procedures and if we could make our product that's easy to handle and implant as plastic, then we should be able to start to chip away at the simpler procedures and it's always been the plan to set up to have that natural repair alternative. And so we're in the very early stages of starting to see that happen. And the LPR has been a catalyst for that for sure. There's 4 or 5 sizes, we need more sizes, right, we need to keep buffing out the product portfolio that earmarked for the robot, because we're learning, we're figuring it out what we have to do to be as easy and simple to use this plastic, and no one else can do that with a biologic or natural repair product, but we can. So we're sort of in the third or fourth -- third inning maybe on the moderate to complex. We're in the first inning on the simple and the breadth, it's going to be driven and pulled through by the robot and by all of the product in data additions that we're developing to focus on the robot. So yes, I mean it's working, right. The plan was a 2-step plan from the beginning, that's what we're operating against and we see it happening. So yes, we're feeling pretty good about where we are with that. The other factor, Kyle, that really interesting is that, I think PRS is going to help hernia. So when we meet with these IDNs, GPOs, even HealthTrust, they want to talk about PRS first, right, that's where the massive cost savings exists. Up until Q3, Q4 of last year we were like, no, we're in limited release, we're learning, let's talk about hernia first, we'll get to PRS eventually. And that isn't exactly where they wanted to start, right. So now, it's the opposite. We're saying, all right, you're interested in PRS, so let's talk about PRS, let's get that moving. We'll lead with that if we have to, and that's going to help us get hernia on the shelf and it should work synergistically. We haven't even seen that start to kick in yet, but I think that's going to start to happen as well down the line, right, just a relative waiting of each of our product lines in terms of cost savings and value proposition.