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Q1 2009 Earnings Call· Tue, Apr 21, 2009

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to Teck's First Quarter 2009 Earnings Conference Call. At this time all participants are in listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. This conference call is being recorded on April 21, 2009. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Greg Waller, Vice President, Investor Relations and Strategic Analysis. Please go ahead, sir.

Gregory A. Waller

Management

Thanks, Matt. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us this morning on our first quarter investor conference call. Before we start, I'd like to draw your attention to the forward-looking information slides in our presentation package on pages 2 and 3. This presentation contains forward-looking information regarding our business. Teck does not assume the obligation to update any forward-looking statement. At this point, I'd like to turn the call over to Don Lindsay.

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

But first I will do a brief overview of the financial and operating results, and then I will turn the presentation over to Ron Millos, our Senior Vice President and CFO, to address in more depth some of the financial issues. I should say a number of the other members of our management team are in the room this morning and available to answer your questions. So turning to slide 5, I would like to start by covering the highlights from our earnings report which went out during the night, and I have to say, considering how weak the first quarter was in the economy overall and in metals prices particularly at the beginning of the quarter. We were very pleased with the results in the quarter. Cash operating profit before positive pricing adjustments was $765 million, and that was actually about 30% higher than last year. These results emphasize the strength of our operations and the effectiveness of the plan that we announced last November to curtail uneconomic operations and reduce costs across the company. We received $800 million in tax refunds in the quarter, bringing our total refunds now to $980 million. Our cash balance at the end of March was $1.6 billion as a result of the cash flow from operations and the tax refunds. Remember, that is before some of the proceeds of recent asset sales. We announced asset sales that will generate cash proceeds in excess of US$300 million, and this is in addition to the US$176 million in proceeds from asset sales that we have actually received so far this year, and lastly, we have signed a commitment letter to amend our bridge and term loans, and I will address this in more detail at the end of the presentation. Turning to slide 6,…

Ronald A. Millos

Management

We also incurred a small positive adjustment in lead and that was somewhat offset by a smaller negative adjustment in zinc. We also recorded final pricing adjustments on sales booked during the quarter, as these are mark-to-market at quarter end. A substantial portion of our sales from one quarter settle in the following quarter, and much of our revenue is therefore effectively booked at the quarter end forward curve. On slide 19, we have summarized our changes in cash for the quarter. Cash flow from operations was $560 million in the quarter. Our working capital change is normally negative at this time of the year due to the seasonality of our business; but this was offset by the large tax refund in the first quarter, resulting in an overall positive change in working capital of $567 million. We repaid debt from the proceeds of sale assets in the quarter of US$66 million or CAD82 million. Our capital expenditures were $132 million in the quarter, and we believe we are on track for overall capital spending this year of above $500 million. Investments were $232 million, primarily for our share of funding of the Fort Hills project. Our guidance for the year of $330 million is still good, as the bulk of the capital spending was expected to be front-end loaded, reflecting contract cancellations due to the project deferral, and deferred cash calls from the managing partner. And after proceeds from asset sales and allowing for the effect of the exchange rate changes on our cash, our net change in the quarter was an increase of $782 million. During the first quarter and into this quarter, we have continued to hedge a portion of our copper production. And approximately 50% of our copper production for the quarter has been hedged at an overall price of $1.86 per pound into July. During the first quarter and into this quarter, we have continued to hedge a portion of our copper production. And approximately 50% of our copper production for the quarter has been hedged at an overall price of $1.86 per pound into July.

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Tim C. Watson

Management

. : Moving on to the second photograph, you see the flotation portion of the plant, where again much of the mechanical equipment is installed. We began installing all the launders for the flotation circuit, and on the far right hand side of the photograph you can see the concentrate storage shed and the concentrate thickener ahead of that.

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Thanks very much, Tim. I guess the message that we are sending is that while we do have a refinancing challenge to complete, the underlying assets of the company are operating very well. Indeed, there is new growth coming that we are particularly pleased with. Just turning to slide 25, very briefly on Fort Hills, because obviously there are a lot of developments in the corporate world there. We do highlight that the lease terms were extended to 2019, which I think was very important. Most of the spending that we had budgeted for 2009 has already occurred, and the spending will be reduced quite dramatically for the balance of the year. Turning to slide 26. An update on our asset sales. We announced in the quarter that we closed the sale of our interest in the Lobo-Marte property, and we sold the Kinross shares that we received as part of the consideration, and so we have now realized total proceeds of US$141 million and took a substantial gain on that sale. We also announced the sale of the Hemlo Mine for US$65 million in the quarter, and we expect this to close actually tomorrow. We also announced the sale of an interest in the gold stream in the Andacollo copper concentrate project, and subsequent to Royal Gold's equity issue, the transaction will now generate cash proceeds of US$218 million and 1.2 million Royal Gold shares, which we expect to sell at some point in the near future. Turning to slide 27, we are in advanced discussions regarding the sale of our interest in the Pogo Mine, and we are progressing the marketing of the Morelos Project in Mexico, which is an advanced exploration project with a feasibility study, and also exploration properties in Turkey, which we share with Frontier.…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions). Our first question is from David Charles from GMP Securities. You may go ahead. David Charles – GMP Securities, Ltd.: Yes, no, I'm just wondering. You say in your press release this morning that lenders under the term facility you do not agree to reschedule will receive the 11 equal quarterly payments starting April the 30. You said earlier on that 83%, so let's say 84% of the term loan facilities people have agreed to the commitments. Does that mean then that you fully expect to have some payments to make? Or do you think that based on this news today that the remaining lenders will line up on the term loan facility, and you won't really have any quarterly payments to make?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Unfortunately, we don't know the answer to that question right now, but I'll give you some background. The reason it is structured the way it is, is there are 11 banks in the bridge facility; and then a total of, I think, 25 banks in the term loan, and the 11 banks have 83% or 84% of the term loan. So negotiating with such a long list of parties is difficult in the best of times. So we chose to deal with the 11 banks first. And then having come to an arrangement with them, we have literally just notified the other banks on the term loan within the last hour. We do hope that they also sign up to the extension of the term loan, but we won't know that until sometime between now and April 30. And so we have made the disclosure as if none of them do; but we do expect some of them will, but we can't be sure until they do. David Charles – GMP Securities, Ltd.: Is there anything in this, the extension that you've announced, that some of those banks that you haven't approached, i.e., basically 13 or 14 banks that they try to exit the syndicate completely, and that would that mean that the 11 banks that have agreed would assume all the remaining portion of the debt?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

No, I think that would be highly unlikely, because the deal that's been offered to those other banks is quite attractive. They get increased returns; and clearly our credit profile is improving substantially over the past months. We've re-run our financial models, as we do frequently. But if you did it at prices of last Friday, which is the most recent one that we did, all of the acquisition debt, the term debt, and the bridge facility can be repaid in a four or five year timeframe, and I think the analysts who do their revised models will see that it's quite manageable. So I think as they look at the credit profile of the company, and the increased returns available to them, they will find this deal quite attractive. David Charles – GMP Securities, Ltd.: Just one final question. Obviously, there were a number of rumors in the marketplace that you might have needed to do an equity issue to get out of the problems that you were in. I mean, you've spread out the payments. The reality is though, the bridge loan and the term loan if I'm not mistaken a 100% of the net proceeds of any sales or anything else you do will go to pay that down. I'm just wondering. Where do you think from a strategic point of view Teck sits at the moment? Given that you've done a great job in extending the loans, but going forward you are still going to be handicapped to some extent to what you can do.

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

We have consistently said that we have no plans to do an equity issue, and that remains the case. I think if people redo their models that at spot prices of today and foreign exchange rates, they will see that the debt repayments are very manageable and that the debt repays actually quite quickly. So, that something that we would encourage people to do, always this depend on which commodity prices you assume, but certainly our models look like things are very manageable. In terms of where it sits strategically, we are going to continue to focus on repaying this debt, and that is our singular focus, and to eliminate the bridge. We will continue to focus on the refinancing of the bridge, and we will be starting that activity immediately. And that was part of the plan all along. And we are also continuing to focus on bringing in a partner in the coal assets that we originally planned back in July when we did the transaction. So those are our main objectives for the year. They are detailed in our annual report, and nothing has changed there. David Charles – GMP Securities, Ltd.: Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Orest Wowkodaw from Canaccord Adams. You may go ahead. Orest Wowkodaw – Canaccord Adams: Hi, good morning and congratulations on restructuring the debt. I'm just curious how the restructuring of the debt changes your thinking about selling a stake in Elk Valley. I mean you mentioned a few seconds ago that you might be able to meet these debt repayments just from cash flow. Have you taken that sale off the table, or are you still thinking of selling 20%?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

No, we haven't taken it off the table because we think it's the right thing to do in the first place, and we did last July as well. At this point if you looked at our portfolio and the diversification of it, we are fairly heavily weighted to coal relative to our copper and zinc businesses, and the energy business still to be developed. And I think while copper is going to continue to grow and Andacollo will come on stream, I think that having a partner in the coal business would be a good thing. We have had a lot of expressions of interest, and a number of potential partners really bring something to the table in terms of making the business a more valuable business, and we have spent a lot of time looking at the market for the seaborne high-quality hard coking coal. It's a product that’s really quite scarce. It doesn't occur in that many places in the world, and we know that people have an interest in it, and we still believe that over the long-term the world will always fix itself, and the people in China and India and other emerging markets will continue to want to have a better life, and that will require quite a bit of steel. In fact, even on Bloomberg this morning, I see senior authorities in China talking about how it's now cheaper to import hard coking coal than it is to get it domestically. And that's another encouraging sign. So I think that we are going to stick with the plan that we have announced before and that is detailed in our annual report. Orest Wowkodaw – Canaccord Adams: Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Tony Robson from BMO Capital Markets. You may go ahead. Tony Robson – BMO Capital Markets: Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you for your time and great to hear on the restructure of the debt. Given the lenders' ability to sort of sweep cash flow out of Teck, there is I think, a throwaway line that mentions distributions. What will the dividend policy going forward be, please?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

There will be no change in our current suspension of the dividend until we’ve retired the bridge. We will be focused all of our cash flow and all of our efforts on paying back the bridge. Tony Robson – BMO Capital Markets: Okay. Thank you, and if I could just go off the deal; although I understand that is the focus of attention here. Depreciation for Elk Valley for the quarter seems to be running at sort of an annualized rate of a little under $400 million, somewhere in the range of $350 million, to $400 million per year. Would that be your guidance going forward?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

John Gingell?

John F. Gingell

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

That number, depreciation is directly related to the coal sales volumes. So we had coal sales volumes, which were a little bit lower this quarter, and as those raise you'll find the depreciation rises in direct proportion. Tony Robson – BMO Capital Markets: Okay. So I think from memory I don't have the numbers in front of me $24 per tonne would be a reasonable guide going forward?

John F. Gingell

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets

Yeah, I think that's right. Tony Robson – BMO Capital Markets: Okay, great. Thank you, gentlemen.

Operator

Operator

Haytham Hodaly – Salman Partners, Inc.: Thank you, operator, and congratulations, Don, for renegotiating the debt. I've got a few quick questions I guess. When does the $96 million payment for the debt extension actually come out?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Haytham Hodaly – Salman Partners, Inc.: Right, okay. So in the second quarter more than likely?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Yes. Haytham Hodaly – Salman Partners, Inc.: With regards to carryover pricing, is that 1.5, 1.6 million tonnes at carryover pricing, is that fairly secure? Can they come back to you and attempt to renegotiate that still?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Boyd, would you like to talk?

Boyd Payne

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

I might just highlight that that $128 versus benchmark announced earlier by our competitors at $129, we are very, very pleased with that, if you went back a couple of years, there was a much greater discount related to coal quality. But Boyd and his team have done a terrific job in the last two years of improving quality and consistency, and that has been recognized by our customers this year. So we were very, very pleased with the results and the negotiations in Asia. Haytham Hodaly – Salman Partners, Inc.: Thanks, Don, maybe I will just follow-up with one further question for Boyd. Boyd, with regards to ramping production back up to, let's say, 20 plus to 22 million tonnes, in that range, what's the bottleneck to get you there?

Boyd Payne

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

In that range, there wouldn't be much of a bottleneck because we've really reduced production by taking a series of rolling shutdowns. So we have retained pretty well most of our permanent staff, and in that range we could be fairly responsive. Haytham Hodaly – Salman Partners, Inc.: So would you expect next year's number to be again at the high end or above the current 18 to 20 million tonne guidance?

Boyd Payne

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

I wish I could say something about that, but it's a pretty uncertain world out there.

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

We have in the press release put a range, but we are really moving off of guidance. I think, as we have said, that the outlook is uncertain. And we need to get away from people kind of analyzing us on a shift-by-shift basis. At this stage, we aren't going to give formal guidance on volumes. We are just going to report the results. Haytham Hodaly – Salman Partners, Inc.: Okay, fair. One further question, just to touch on your comment regarding further asset sales et cetera, Pogo is one which many expect to be on the chopping block, given the fact that there has already been some sales on the gold and gold is a much smaller component of your overall revenue stream or operating profits stream for that matter. How are things going at Pogo? And is there anything you can report there?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Well, I'll make an overall comment, and then turn to Rob Scott on how the operation is doing. Our approach on gold was discussed – goes back a couple of years that gold traditionally trades at different valuation levels than a diversified metals company. And so the real way to protect shareholders, to get the full value for gold assets and for finding and developing a gold asset is ultimately to harvest or sell. So the sale of the different gold assets we have has been part of the plan for some time. We think it's a pretty good time now. The gold price is up. There is a lot of interest, and so this is something that is part of the plan and shouldn't be unexpected. Now in terms of how Pogo is doing, Rob?

Robert G. Scott

Analyst

Yes, Pogo for the first quarter, we produced right around 90,000 ounces which is right on plan for the year, and our cash costs were $500 an ounce; again, right on plan. The only area that still requires some improvement is the mill recoveries, they are in the low 80s; and we think we have developed a plan to improve those recoveries back up into the high 80s, perhaps low 90s over time. Haytham Hodaly – Salman Partners, Inc.: Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from [Ed Dowd] of BlackRock Capital. You may go ahead. Edward Dowd – BlackRock Capital: Hi, thanks for taking my question. So I have a couple quick questions. The first one is on the $1.9 billion of mandatory payments. Can you walk us through a buildup of that? Or I guess my question is, is the $1.7 billion you need to pay down on the bridge loan included in that?

Ronald A. Millos

Management

It's basically the remaining balance of the bridge plus the three installments on the term for that for 14% that we don't know if they will participate or not. Edward Dowd – BlackRock Capital: So that could go down to as low as just the $1.7 million?

Ronald A. Millos

Management

That's right. But right now the bridge is at $5.183 billion. It's to get to the $3.5 billion, plus whatever we have to make on that stub of the term loan. Edward Dowd – BlackRock Capital: Right, okay, great. And then my second question is, in the press release you mentioned security falling away once the bridge and the facility are paid down and Teck gets investment grade ratings, and I was just kind of curious, could you just walk us through what that means, security is going to fall away right there?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

I think it's as described, that if we get investment grade rating with a stable outlook and we have repaid the bridge, then the security falls away. Edward Dowd – BlackRock Capital:

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Until the bridge is fully paid down. Edward Dowd – BlackRock Capital: Okay. Thank you very much. Thanks for the call.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Harry Mateer from Barclays Capital. You may go ahead. Harry Mateer – Barclays Capital: Hi, guys. Thanks. I guess my first question is a follow-up, related to the ratings. Can you just give us a sense for your discussions with the rating agencies? Where you are working with them on this transaction to reschedule the debt, and when should we expect to hear from them? Second, on your refinancing plans, do you have an expectation at this point as to when you might try and come to the bond market? When do you start approaching high-yield bond investors to pave the way for an eventual issuance? And then lastly, the press release mentioned a couple of new covenants in the renegotiated bank lines. Just curious, if you can tell us specifically what those covenant values are for the interest coverage and maximum leverage; and also whether or not they will apply to your existing revolving credit agreement?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Okay, three good questions. On the first one, we haven't had discussions with the rating agency at this point. We plan to do so in the very near future, and on the second one in terms of going to the market, we can't be too definitive. But I go back to my original comment, saying it is our intention to get the bridge paid down as fast as possible. And so while we haven't got an exact date for you, you can assume that it will be soon. And the third question on the covenants, those are pretty much nailed down. But we won't actually disclose them until the final definitive agreements are signed, which won't be too long from now. Harry Mateer – Barclays Capital: Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our question is from Fraser Phillips from RBC Capital Markets. You may go ahead. Fraser Phillips – RBC Capital Markets: Thanks. What I was wondering was with respect to the carryover tonnage at Elk Valley. In the trade press, there's been some suggestion that for other deals that there was an extension of time that carryover might be delivered, over a two-year period. I was wondering, if there is any time frame in terms of that carryover tonnage?

Boyd Payne

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Yes, it's Boyd Payne here. I would rather not comment. We've settled Asia, most of Asia; but we're still in on ongoing negotiations with many of our customers, and each of those arrangements will be individual. So I just don't feel it's appropriate to comment on that this morning. Fraser Phillips – RBC Capital Markets: Okay, fair enough. The other question I had, Don, was with respect to your strategy. Again, Elk Valley, Canadian dollar hedging, are you going to hedge the dollar out, or have you? What is your thought there?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

At this point, we have not. And so we are benefiting from the other hedges that from last year, that with the Trust that we're at about par. Now that those have or are almost fallen away, that it reduces our cash cost in US dollars quite substantially. Having said that, I think you asked a very good question, and we will be considering it quite seriously. But we haven't taken a decision as yet. Fraser Phillips – RBC Capital Markets: Okay, thank you, sir.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Greg Barnes, TD Newcrest. You may go ahead. Greg Barnes – TD Newcrest: Yes, thank you. I guess it's to Boyd again. I don't know if you can answer. But on the carryover tonnage, the 18 to 20 million tonnes guidance for sales this year, does that include the carryover? Or is that all new tonnage?

Boyd Payne

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

No, that includes all tonnes we would sell in the calendar year. Greg Barnes – TD Newcrest: Okay. And the pricing on that, your price last year was $275. Is that the kind of price you expect on the carryover?

Boyd Payne

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

The carryover is what it was, whatever price was agreed to buy brand. And the new price is indeed a new price. Greg Barnes – TD Newcrest: For the blended price you received last year was $275; so we could apply that to the carryover tonnage more or less?

Boyd Payne

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Yeah. More or less. Greg Barnes – TD Newcrest: Okay. That's fine.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Chris [Browse] from Guggenheim Partners. You may go ahead. Todd Gilbert – Guggenheim Partners:

Peter C. Rozee

Analyst · GMP Securities

It's Peter Rozee speaking. As you know, there are a couple of carveouts in the negative pledge in the trust indenture, and we are in the process of working through how those are going to apply in the context of this transaction, and we will clarify that when we come to a landing on this place. Todd Gilbert – Guggenheim Partners: Okay, that would be great, if you could clarify that once it's final. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Gaurav Bana from Alliance Capital. You may go ahead. Gaurav Bana – AllianceBernstein Investments: Good afternoon. I had a question on the refinancing that you guys are planning. Is that going to be like the bridge secured financing, or is it going to be unsecured? What are you targeting there?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

We couldn't comment at this point. It depends on market opportunities and so on. It would be premature to comment at this point. Gaurav Bana – AllianceBernstein Investments: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Brian MacArthur. You may go ahead. Brian MacArthur – UBS Securities: Sorry to go back to the carryover tonnes, but I just want to be clear. Those 1.6 million tonnes that we can assume at $275. Can I assume a lot of those are hard coking coal? Obviously what we are worried about is its lower grade stuff.

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Brian, you were cut off for a moment there. Could you repeat the question, please? Brian MacArthur – UBS Securities: Sorry, Don. I was just going back to the carryover tonnes. I just want to make sure the 1.6 is high-quality coking coal, which I think Boyd was inferring when he talked about getting a realized price on those tonnes close to the $275 on a blended weighted basis.

Boyd Payne

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets

Yes, I don't have that in front of me, but that is directionally correct. The carryover tonnes are similar in mix to what we have sold through the year. Brian MacArthur – UBS Securities: Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Basu Mullick from Neuberger. You may go ahead. Basu Mallkick – Neuberger Berman: Just wanted you to maybe help me understand what is in the marketplace, the desirability of the quality of that coal on a blended basis that you have left to sell. Is that coal that is sort of preferred over the lower, the higher volume coking coal? And it seems to me that you are probably getting disproportionate share of that market given the quality of that coal. Just trying to understand are you, in effect, seeming to be getting a better volume share of the demand for met coal out there?

Boyd Payne

Analyst · Neuberger

No, I think we have got to understand the changes in demand; the world is a different place from what it was six months ago. All steelmakers are facing issues. Our coal is near the top of the quality spectrum. It's a low-to-mid volume high-quality hard coking coal with very strong coking characteristics. And that makes it very desirable to as a strategic supply requirement for most seaborne steel producers. So basically, we compete head-to-head with the top qualities out of Australia. And our quality does give us preference in most markets. But every market is facing challenges, and so we're working through a lot of different steel issues in the world today. And that's why we basically are going to hold back from guidance on volume, because our customers are giving us estimates, but that's what they are estimates. So you're correct in your statement. The quality is near the top. It is desirable. But that's really about all we can say. Basu Mallkick – Neuberger Berman:

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

I think as we have discussed earlier, we will continue with the announced strategy of bringing in a partner, which will somewhat shift the center of gravity, I guess, to use your analogy, and but how long that takes is unpredictable. We will take our time and get it right and maximize value, and we have seen very, very good interest based on what Boyd just said, that it's very high quality coal. We've seen a shift in the steel industry globally to more interest in having steel plants on the coast, which of course makes seaborne coal that much more in demand. This will take some time to develop, but it certainly offers us encouragement for the future. So I think we will just carry on with that plan. Basu Mallkick – Neuberger Berman: Just lastly in terms of 2010, what kind of capital spending plan are you contemplating?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

It would be in the $400 million to $500 million range. We will have basically completed Andacollo or almost completed Andacollo, which was a big chunk of our spending this year. The plans for Fort Hills are unknown at this stage, so that was a large chunk this year, and it's really hard to predict whether it will be a lot less or more. Sustaining capital will stay in about the $250 million range. Basu Mallkick – Neuberger Berman: Thank you and congratulations.

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from David Charles from GMP Securities. You may go ahead. David Charles – GMP Securities, Ltd.: Yes, good morning again. Just very quickly on Fort Hills, and you just mentioned it there. Has Teck exercised its earning option on Fort Hills? And could you give us maybe a little bit of color as to when there might be further news in terms of the scope and the cost of Fort Hills, looking maybe into the second half of this year?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

On the second part of the question, I really don't think we can give you much more news than what you have seen related to both Petro-Canada and UTS. This situation is in transition. We think what has occurred is very, very positive for the project. I think people on all sides have come to that conclusion, and it's clearly an indication that the project is going to be worth an awful lot once it's built and running. But we can't say much more than that. It's going to be in transition for several months yet. David Charles – GMP Securities, Ltd.: And on the first part of the question in terms of the technical earn-in?

Peter C. Rozee

Analyst · GMP Securities

On the earn-in, we have a general spending obligation over the first $2.5 billion of our project spending for Fort Hills the earn-in obligation. David Charles – GMP Securities, Ltd.: So have you completed that now?

Peter C. Rozee

Analyst · GMP Securities

No, the spend to date is in the, we will get you that number.

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

We will come back to you with that number. David Charles – GMP Securities, Ltd.: Okay. Can you just explain to me maybe as well, how that would all take into account the fact that you are looking at strategic options on this? I suppose what I'm really driving at here, if you were to sell your future interest in Fort Hills, how would you adjust that for the amount of money that you are still required to spend on the project?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Well I mean, that's a good question. A couple comments first. Yes, we are looking at strategic options related to the asset. But I do want to say we like the Fort Hills project. We think it's going to be very valuable in the long-term. You don't often in our business, in the mining business, find 50 or 60-year resources, and particularly in a stable jurisdiction such as Alberta. Relative to the choices that we have around the world, that one looks pretty good. Having said that, we have to be open to all options and consider things, and so we will. At this stage we haven't been very active, because there is so much going on with the other parties. I think we have to see that stabilize, and to the specifics of your question relative to the earn-in, I think that is something that we couldn't comment on unless we were actually looking at a specific transaction; and then we could only comment once it was announced. So unfortunately, I can't really help you on that one. David Charles – GMP Securities, Ltd.: Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Tony Robson from BMO Capital Markets. You may go ahead. Tony Robson – BMO Capital Markets: Hi, gentlemen. Thank you for taking my question again. Could you lead me through, please, the duration fees on the amended bridge facility? 3.5% if the outstanding balance is over $3.35 billion. Is that 3.5% per six months, or is that an annual rate? And in terms of how the analysts would view it, would you include that in your interest cost, please?

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Yes, it is for six months; and it would be disclosed under the total interest line.

Ronald A. Millos

Management

Yeah, we would pay it and then amortize it until the next payment is due.

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

It's there obviously to provide further incentive to us to repay the bridge. Tony Robson – BMO Capital Markets: Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions). Our next question is from John Hughes from Desjardins Securities. You may go ahead. John Hughes – Desjardins Securities: Thank you, operator, and thanks for the collective sigh of relief that I'm hearing on the Teck shareholdership side following the recent announcement. Most of mine have been answered. Just a quick one, sort of a cleanup on the Royal Gold, do you still own the 1.2 million shares?

Tim C. Watson

Management

The transaction has not actually closed yet. We expect it to close in the second quarter, and we will get those shares on closing. John Hughes – Desjardins Securities: Last, on the zinc side, did you have a budgeted zinc production number for 2009?

Gregory A. Waller

Management

It's in our annual report. I will just look to get you the details. John Hughes – Desjardins Securities: No, I just noted 120,000 I think that you had noted in inventory on the concentrate side.

Gregory A. Waller

Management

John, are you asking about zinc production in concentrate from Red Dog or including Trail numbers as well? John Hughes – Desjardins Securities: Ideally just from Red Dog.

Gregory A. Waller

Management

Yeah, we typically produce about 560,000 tonnes of zinc in concentrate. Varies a little bit from year to year with grades, but that is a pretty steady state rate there.

Gregory A. Waller

Management

What the 120 is, is the concentrate that is not on-site because of the shipping season. So that is really all we can sell, John. John Hughes – Desjardins Securities: Yeah, that's what you would expect to hold at this time of the year?

Gregory A. Waller

Management

Yes.

Gregory A. Waller

Management

That is in the normal range. John Hughes – Desjardins Securities: Okay, very good. Thank you again.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions registered. I would like to turn the meeting back to the presenters.

Donald R. Lindsay

Management

Okay. Well, we thank you all very much for your patience this morning and apologize again for the delay. But we will carry on with our plans and look forward to speaking to you again both at the Annual Meeting tomorrow and next quarter. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

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