Dr. Laurence Cooper
Analyst
So in terms of the viability. So the benchmark there is guided by the agency. They say product has to be 70% or greater viability. Ziopharm has achieved that threshold and that's really the basis of our IND. Whether the cells are 70% or 90% doesn't really make much difference in terms of the outcome in the preclinical models. And we've looked at actually that question. And just, again, just to kind of highlight, this is a living drug. So if you're putting in cells that are 70% viable, those cells will begat, in a doubling cycle, more cells, and then double again, and so forth and so on, that will grow in the patient. The reason we're able to say those statements with confidence is that we have that accelerator, that membrane bound IL-15 baked into the T cells, the CAR modified T cell, and now, our TCR modified T cell, that allows essentially for these cells when they go into the body, to grow in the patient. So to get at the heterogeneity question, that's -- in my mind that actually triggers a slightly different thought. So I want to make sure I get the crux of your question here, David. So for us, when we're generating T cells, using membrane-bound IL-15, we've deliberately and worked very hard to shorten the manufacturing to really capture the heterogeneity of cells that come out of the bloodstream, especially for instance, the naive pool. Because we think that that pool of cells has the greatest potential once it's put back into the patient. So unlike other companies that go through a growth of their cells in the incubator, those cells can actually be restricted in their heterogeneity, can be actually terminally what we call differentiated. And the door can be closed essentially on their ability to survive after infusion. Whereas with our technology being so rapid, we essentially keep, as if you would, the full portfolio, all the flavors of the T cells that come out of the person's bloodstream and we return them back to the patient soon thereafter.