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TrueBlue, Inc. (TBI)

Q3 2021 Earnings Call· Mon, Oct 25, 2021

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Operator

Operator

00:07 Good afternoon. My name is Emma, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] 00:32 Mr. Gafford, you may now begin your conference.

Derrek Gafford

Analyst

00:42 Good afternoon, everyone and thank you for joining today’s call. I’m joined by our Chief Executive Officer, Patrick Beharelle. 00:49 Before we begin, I want to remind everyone that today’s call and slide presentation contain forward-looking statements, all of which are subject to risks and uncertainties, and we assume no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties, some of which are described in today’s press release and in our SEC filings, could cause actual results to differ materially from those in our forward-looking statements. 01:16 We use non-GAAP measures when presenting our financial results. We encourage you to review the non-GAAP reconciliations in today’s earnings release, or at trueblue.com under the Investor Relations section, for complete understanding of these terms and their purpose. 01:32 Any comparisons made today are based on a comparison to the same period in the prior year, unless otherwise stated. Lastly, we will be providing a copy of our prepared remarks on our website at the conclusion of today’s call, and a full transcript and audio replay will also be available soon after the call. 01:53 With that, I’ll turn the call over to Patrick.

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst

01:56 Thank you, Derrek and welcome everyone to today’s call. I am pleased to report, our strong revenue momentum from earlier in the year carried into the third quarter. Third quarter revenue was five hundred and seventy seven million dollars, an increase of twenty two percent compared to the third quarter of the prior year. 02:14 Growth was driven by businesses of all types turning to flexible workforce solutions as they grapple with worker supply challenges and a variety of uncertainties related to the COVID business environment. This dynamic combined with new client wins helped us deliver net income of nineteen million dollars in the third quarter versus nine million dollars in the third quarter of the prior year, and adjusted EBITDA was up eleven million dollars year-over-year with corresponding margin up one hundred and thirty basis points. 02:44 Before turning to our segments, I want to provide an update on the pace of our recovery and thoughts on key topics impacting our business. First, we are excited third quarter revenue for PeopleScout, our highest margin business, surpassed pre-pandemic levels, up nine percent versus Q3 twenty nineteen. Volume across most industries are increasing due to high employee turnover, which is leading to an acceleration in demand from existing clients and new demand from first-time RPO adopters. 03:16 Our hardest hit market, travel and leisure was up three hundred and eight percent during the quarter, and new business wins were up two hundred and seventeen percent year-to-date with annualized revenue of thirty eight million dollars. At PeopleManagement, revenue was down only one percent versus Q3 twenty nineteen. New business wins continue to be strong for this segment, which had twenty two million dollars of new wins in August, bringing the annualized total to eighty six million dollars or up thirty four…

Derrek Gafford

Analyst

13:58 Thank you, Patrick. Total revenue for Q3 twenty twenty one was five hundred and seventy seven million, representing growth of twenty two percent, driven by new business wins and higher existing client volumes. We posted net income of nineteen million dollars, or zero point fifty three dollars per share, an increase of ten million dollars compared to net income of nine million dollars in the prior year. 14:24 Revenue growth and gross margin expansion contributed to the net income growth. Adjusted net income was twenty one million dollars, or an increase of thirteen million dollars, which is greater than the increase in GAAP net income, primarily due to four million dollars of government subsidies in Q3 twenty twenty that were excluded from adjusted net income. 14:44 We delivered adjusted EBITDA of twenty nine million dollars, an increase of eleven million dollars, and adjusted EBITDA margin was up one hundred thirty basis points, again driven by revenue growth and gross margin expansion. Gross margin of twenty five point four percent was up two hundred and ten basis points. 15:03 Our staffing segments contributed one hundred and ten basis points of margin expansion comprised of seventy basis points from lower workers’ compensation costs primarily due to favorable development of prior period reserves and the remaining forty basis points largely due to increased sales mix from our PeopleReady segment, which has a higher gross margin profile than PeopleManagement. PeopleScout contributed one hundred basis points of expansion driven by operating leverage from higher volumes. 15:33 SG&A expense increased thirty two percent, which was higher than our revenue growth of twenty two percent due to the severity of the cost actions taken in Q3 last year. In Q3 twenty twenty, our cost management actions produced a decline in SG&A of thirty one percent, which…

Operator

Operator

20:37 [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Jeff Silber with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is unmuted.

Jeff Silber

Analyst

20:45 Great. Thanks so much. Patrick, in the prepared remarks and forgive me I don't have the exact quote, but I think you said something about fill rates softening in recent quarters. Can we get a little bit more color on that? Where were they before the pandemic? How low did they go and where are they roughly now?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst

21:04 Yeah. Thanks for the question, Jeff. The fill rates are quite a bit different between PeopleManagement and PeopleReady. So I'm going to distinguish between the two. Of course, in PeopleManagement, we have exclusivity and our fill rates had been running in the low to mid ninety. So call it ninety three percent, ninety four percent. We saw those dropdown into the high eighties, so eighty eight percent, eighty nine percent in that business. So, most of that's driven by worker supply challenges in PeopleManagement. 21:37 In PeopleReady, the situation is a little different because in many cases we don't have exclusivity. So in some cases it's a jump ball where we're competing for the same positions as other staffing providers are and we had typically run in the high seventies low eighties in terms of fill rates in PeopleReady. We dipped down to our low point in the high fifties. We're now running in the low sixties. So call it a fifteen to twenty point drop in PeopleReady. 22:07 I do want to point out though, we're starting to see some of the supply of workers start to unfreeze a bit. We mentioned in the prepared remarks that our October run rates in PeopleReady were stronger than what we saw in September in Q3. Our applications are up in the high-single-digits. Our worker supplies up in the high-single digits in October and so, we're starting to see a softening. I think a lot of that has to do with the unemployment benefits that ran out in the first week in September. 22:38 And we think it's going to take a couple of quarters for the situation to unfreeze more, but we certainly saw an uplift in October and as people saving start to dwindle and people feel a little more safe coming back into the work environment, we expect a nice steady incline for worker supply going forward.

Jeff Silber

Analyst

22:59 All right. That's great to hear. And I guess a segue-off of that we've been hearing and reading a lot about wage inflation. Can we talk a little bit about how that's running for your company and are you able to pass that through in a timely manner in terms of increased bill rates, is there any lag there?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst

23:16 Yeah, I think, that is a question for Derrek to take. He is really well schooled on the details.

Derrek Gafford

Analyst

23:22 Hey, Jeff, it's Derrek here. One comment to Patrick's answer that he provided on the fill rates and then I'll take the bill rate question. The fill rates have definitely dropped since we've entered this year for all of the dynamics that Patrick just mentioned. However we also know that the fill rates have also dropped based on customer behavior. So what we're also seeing though at PeopleReady since we're not exclusive is customers putting those same orders in across multiple companies. 23:54 So some of the drop is -- the majority of it actually is because of worker shortages, but some of it is also with customer behaviors is putting those orders in with multiple staffing companies, hoping to get more fills total from more suppliers. 24:08 When it comes to bill and pay rates. Pay rates and bill rates in our PeopleReady business were up, I'm going to round here, they were just about the same, about ten point five percent. So we are getting them passed through timely. We're pleased about that there's been other periods of time where it has -- we've had big minimum wage increases, we've always got them passed-through, there has been some lag at points in time, but in today's environment, we're getting the bill rates increased in lockstep with the percentage increase in the pay rates.

Jeff Silber

Analyst

24:44 Okay. That's really helpful. And just one final question, you had that great slide on your balance sheet remaining strong. But I couldn't help noticing that the company hasn't repurchased any shares this year despite that and despite the strong cash flow. Can you talk about what's going on there? What your capital allocation strategy is?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst

25:04 Sure. Let's talk about both the year and the strategy going forward. So you haven't seen any stock repurchases from us this year because we had a couple of big capital events to plan for. One was last year we had sixty million dollars of payroll taxes that we were allowed to defer under the CARES Act. Half of that was due to be paid this year. We planned and did pay for all sixty million of it in Q3. We elected to pay the full amount because under the CARES Act any losses in twenty twenty were allowed to be carried back to periods where the tax rate was thirty five percent. So we elected to pay all of that off. That's a really good return for us paying that off and carrying it back. 25:51 Then the second piece is the growth in our accounts receivable. We've had working capital surge and accounts receivable of about fifty five million dollars, so with well over one hundred million dollar of capital going to those two events. We didn't want to repurchase any shares till we got those behind us and saw what was going on with the operating environment. At the level that we're at right now forty nine million dollars, we don't feel like we're overcapitalized takes about thirty million dollars to run the company. So we feel like we're in a good position right now. Looking forward though returning capital back to shareholders certainly a priority for us. So we're not going to build up an excess of cash balance here. We want to make sure we're returning that back to shareholders and given the current tax laws that are in place today. Our preference is to do that through share repurchase.

Jeff Silber

Analyst

26:39 Okay. Great to hear. Thanks so much for the color. I'll jump back in the queue.

Operator

Operator

26:48 Your next question comes from the line of Mark Marcon with Baird. Your line is open.

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

26:54 Good afternoon, Patrick and Derrek. Thanks for taking my questions. I'm wondering with regards to the pilot programs in Chicago and Dallas. Can you talk a little bit about how the revenue trends compared over there relative to the rest of the PeopleReady operations?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

27:12 Thanks, Mark. This is Patrick for your question. Just a reminder for everyone, what we're doing with the market service centers. The first thing we're doing is, we've expanded hours from sixty hours to eighty five hours. We're also adding more client-facing resources and fewer non-client facing resources that we're taking those savings and we're investing them and more client-facing resources. We're also providing more consistent delivery training coverage things of that sort. 27:41 The pilots are still what I would describe as sort of early phased, Mark. So we're not handing out or putting out revenue numbers for the pilots relative to the other locations. What I can tell you is we've learned a lot since we started the pilots at the end of Q1. We're going to continue to run those through the end of the year and early next year assuming the pilots are where we want them to be. We're going to expand out on more of a national basis, but what we're doing right now is we're not giving out local revenue numbers.

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

28:13 Okay. But, if presumably, if you're going to expand out, it would suggest that the results thus far are encouraging. Is that a correct assessment?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

28:25 Well, it's been mixed, we've had some areas where the results are very encouraging. And then we've had some areas where they're not as encouraging. So we're trying to work through some of those issues and learnings where the results haven't been encouraging and we're making mid-course tractions on those. So it's been a mixed bag is how I would describe it.

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

28:44 What are the elements that are mix like what's going better and what's going worse?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

28:49 Well, one of the challenges we ran into was around some of the essentially call center software that we had being when you're running a branch where you've got three people there, everybody kind of knows everything that's going on in that branch. When you expand out into an entire market where you've got essentially a market set of clients and a market set of workers as opposed to a branch set of clients and a branch set of workers. There is a little bit this loss in translation there and one of the things we learned early on as we needed some better tracking software. So all of our folks that are working in the market center could have better access to what's happening with our workers and our clients. So that was a big learning along the way that we had to make some mid-course corrections on. 29:31 In terms of and that's what really well is the worker supply is where really well. We weren't sure what kind of a drop off we may have by closing the branches in Chicago and Dallas and to the degree that we were dependent on those branches to find local workers and one of the things we found is that we probably overestimated that a bit and we feel really good about our ability to attract workers locally without a branch network. And so that's one a little better than we expected. So there has been some areas that went better and some areas that haven't went as well and the areas that haven't went as well, we've made some fixes and are seeing some good trending and are encouraged by the results.

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

30:13 Great. I appreciate the transparency. With regards to the JobStack, how -- if somebody were to ask you like what percentage of revenue is now derived from JobStack and how you would characterize the margins for JobStack revenue that is totally independent of the branch operations to the extent that there is repeat business that's been automated. How would you characterize that?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

30:47 Well, from a margin perspective, it's hard to say because the pricing and the bill rates and the pay rates that we're providing are very similar, whether it goes through JobStack or whether it doesn't, where we have clear efficiencies is, when clients are placing orders when they're approving time, when they're placing orders after hours. I give you an example, we had a client the other day, logistics and delivery company that placed an order last minute, late at night for fifteen associates that came in after-hours and within an hour those jobs are filled. And the client was so impressed with that, that they ended up moving all of their business to us and today this is a zero point five million dollars a year client. 31:33 And so when you see things like that where we would have had to come in the next morning and have a jump on with some other providers. In fact, we were able to fill it, while our branches were closed and our competitors branches were closed. To me the biggest value for JobStack is the revenue lift that we get from taking wallet share at our existing installed base. The margin profile again bill rate, pay rate spreads don't necessarily differ between a job that's filled by JobStack versus one that's not, but clearly when you look at the cost associated with filling positions, we're able to do with fewer people and the market service center is really going to allow us to take advantage of that because as we've only got a handful of people in our branches, so it's hard to cut a third of a person or a half of a person. But you can do that when you go to a market center concept where you've got dozens of people all working in one location. And so I think we'll ultimately see here some nice cost savings that come out. It's just been difficult to extract up to this point where we've had small numbers of people in our branches. And can you refresh me what the first part of your question was, Mark?

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

32:41 Yeah. So just trying to think through the revenue that you would directly attribute to JobStack?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

32:49 Well, we've got some numbers we've put out there around heavy users, they essentially account for fifty six percent of our eligible revenue and we define eligible by the way we haven't rolled out JobStack in Canada or for some of our skilled trades. So if you exclude those two, heavy users account for fifty six percent, which is where the largest chunk of our revenue through JobStack is coming from. So I think that's one measure that you might look at.

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

33:17 Okay. And then with regards to the thinking the implications of JobStack through as we look out towards next year and the following year, how would you envision the branch count evolving and what sort of savings and you end up getting from that and how do you think about this the incremental revenue that if JobStack really hits we could end up getting?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

33:48 Yeah. I think, that would be a good question for Derrek to take around some of the cost savings, and I can probably add some more color after you speak, Derrek.

Derrek Gafford

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

33:56 Yeah. Hi, Mark. It's Derrek here. So a little bit of extra perspective on JobStack and the efficiencies that it's bringing. It's very hard to carve off the specific savings for JobStack. But if we stand back big picture and look at what we're running as far as revenue per employee and our PeopleReady business. We are running at -- if we look back quarterly all the way to twenty seventeen over the last five years. This quarter is our highest quarter ever in revenue per employee and that's comparing back to a time when PeopleReady's annual revenue was one point six billion dollars. So the technology is definitely delivering efficiencies for us. 34:40 As we take a look towards next year and the market pilots to give you an approximation of the amount of SG&A that's in our field operations at PeopleReady, it runs about two hundred million dollars. We haven't given out any percentages yet, but you know if it was just say hypothetically ten percent coming from real estate savings and some other things. I mean that would be a very sizable amount for us. So I'm giving that hypothetically, but that gives you an SG&A base to take a look at. 35:12 I think as far as productivity and cost savings there is even more opportunities behind us. One of the other things that we're starting to take a look at too is the proprietary technology that runs PeopleReady's operating system. So think things like applicant tracking system, billing, payroll. When I say payroll, it's less about just calculating the Paycheck. It's all of the work processes that go in around that. So we think there's some technology upgrades that would also deliver a lot more efficiencies here. So we haven't given out any numbers at this point in time, but we're very optimistic that we can run this business in a more efficient manner and we'd be really disappointed if we didn't get above our EBITDA margin of the last cycle of five point two percent.

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

36:00 Great. And then I was wondering just can you talk a little bit about just the guidance here for the fourth quarter or the lack thereof. From a revenue perspective, what are you trying to get at in terms of we know what the historical pattern has been but what could be different on a plus or minus basis relative to history and how should we think about the sequential change in SG&A?

Derrek Gafford

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

36:29 Yeah. So from a revenue perspective, we've given an outlook. As we only give an outlook, we just given an average out there, which we've taken a look at that excluding last year our Q4 revenue is about the same as Q3 each year. We've also provided some information that our staffing operations have accelerated by a couple of points going into October versus September. So while we haven't been giving revenue guidance really at all this year or since COVID broke out we've been giving some sequential direction according to our history. And I think those two data points are the most important. 37:16 And what was your second part of your question, Mark?

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

37:19 Just the SG&A how should we think about that in terms of the sequential change relative to the third quarter?

Derrek Gafford

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

37:29 Yeah. We've given an SG&A outlook of one hundred and twenty six million dollars to one hundred and thirty million dollars. So in that two, you can find those numbers in our outlook section.

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

37:43 I'm wondering what's driving the change?

Derrek Gafford

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

37:45 Well, I was just kind of getting to that part in our EBITDA adjustments, we're talking a big part about it is an extra five million dollars. Half of it coming from some deferred compensation sales, that will be taking place in Q4, and also some SaaS software implementation costs. So there's about five million dollars or close to five million dollars of extra adjustments for the fourth quarter.

Mark Marcon

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

38:11 Great. Thank you.

Derrek Gafford

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

38:14 You bet.

Operator

Operator

38:17 Your next question comes from the line of Josh Vogel with Sidoti. Your line is open.

Josh Vogel

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

38:24 Thank you. Good afternoon, Patrick and Derrek. Thanks for taking my questions. I just wanted to build off one of Mark's questions there on the branches. Maybe just a little bit more color around potential timing like what do you have to see today from like a market dynamic and usage of your tech enablement capabilities to feel comfortable and pairing down the branch structure and could we see this start to materialize in twenty twenty two?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

38:56 Thanks, Josh. This is Patrick. Appreciate the question. Well, we're looking at a number of metrics that we're tracking. So we're looking at client count, revenue growth, associate count, average hours per associate, average bill rate, average pay rate margins. We're looking at a whole host of metrics that are financial as well as non-financial metrics around client acquisition and client retention expansion rates things of that sort. So we started the pilots right at the end of the first quarter and we've been measuring all of these metrics throughout the pilots both in Chicago and in Dallas. 39:38 In terms of sort of green lighting a more of a national expansion. We want to see the two pilot markets the trending for those in Q3 and Q4 get above the pilot group that we're comparing against which is the rest of the U.S. branch network. So when we see that we're outperforming then at that point we'd be in a position to green light on a much larger scale. There is a few other nuances that we’re about to start running some pilots on. As an example, we have some branches that aren't part of large metropolitan cities. So if you take Illinois as an example Peoria, which is in the middle of the state two point five hours southwest of Chicago. We only have one branch there. So one of the other things that we're looking at is, could we support our branch like Peoria from a market service center in Chicago. That's an open item right now. They will be testing in Q4. 40:45 And so the first order of business was, could we outperform in our metro markets with the market service center versus a branch network. And then secondly, for those locations that are not metro that are secondary cities can we deliver services more effectively and more efficiently than through a local branch. And so those are the things that are being tested and until we are outperforming, we'll continue to pilot and makes tweaks and perfections before we launch on a large scale. What we are not going to do is launch on a large scale if we're not outperforming the current situation and so those are some of the things that we're looking at.

Josh Vogel

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

41:29 Those are good insights. Thank you. You certainly had very strong results across the three segments. I just wanted to focus a little bit on the little bit of margin compression we saw on a sequential basis. Derrek, you had some comments on it. Supply chain issues. I'm just curious when we look at Q2 versus Q3 was that supply chain issues that leaned on the margins at PeopleManagement and also sequentially we saw a little bit downtick in PeopleScout. I'm just curious what drove those?

Derrek Gafford

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

42:09 Sure. The down tick at PeopleManagement that certainly had something to do with it. Our same branch revenue for PeopleManagement went negative in the third quarter. So and we're bringing on new clients as well as PeopleManagement. So the same customer revenue is the most profitable and that's the one that really deleverages because we've still got the same amount of resources for the most part running those the sites, the revenue drops, and so all of those gross profit dollars fall to the bottom line without much offset on the SG&A side. 42:47 From a PeopleScout perspective, we gave a little bit of color on Q2, that was a really outsized margin quarter for us, but what we're turning in this quarter is probably more appropriate for the revenue side. So what we saw was just a huge surge in same customer volumes. So we were getting great leverage maybe a little too great across our recruiting base. And so it deliver some very, very nice margins. That business will still continue to deliver nice margins. But the Q2 margin expansion was a bit ahead of itself and not one that we can still make the same type of service level agreements with all of our customers as far as timeliness. So that's a little color on those two pieces of the business.

Josh Vogel

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

43:35 Yeah, that's helpful. Thank you. I'm sorry.

Derrek Gafford

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

43:37 Still we're [Technical Difficulty] of adjusted EBITDA margin we had for the quarter versus same quarter a year ago.

Josh Vogel

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

43:47 Got it. Thank you. Your comments on the SG&A in Q4. I was just curious when the five million split between deferred comp and SaaS implementation. Is that going to bleed into twenty twenty two or is it kind of just going to hit up in Q4?

Derrek Gafford

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

44:05 Yeah, those costs, while the SG&A is going up, those are excluded from our EBITDA calculations. So they won't be dilutive to adjusted net income or EBITDA. The deferred compensation plan will be fully transitioned this year. We’ve been moving everything over to some company-owned life insurance policies for tax reasons, the last two or three years, and so that will complete itself. And then the system cost the extra two point five dollars. Two million dollars, two point five million dollars that we'll spend there. We could do some more implementation costs and likely will next year towards some SaaS based systems. But those two would be excluded from the SG&A and those would not be recurring cost that would continue with us once the systems are stood up.

Josh Vogel

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

44:53 All right. Great. And just a couple quick ones on around the vaccine mandates. I know you had some commentary there, Patrick. I guess you talked about tracking measures and stuff like that, but what's the dialogue you're having at the client level both big and small. And if this is something that does materialize, do you think it could be a net benefit for you?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

45:22 Yeah, Josh, I appreciate the question. So there is a lot of unknowns pertaining to mandate that should get cleared up in the next couple of weeks. And until those get cleared up, it's difficult to say the magnitude and timing of the impact. A couple of things to note though from an RPO perspective, we've talked with a number of our clients and this could be a potential tailwind for us is certain clients have indicated that they expect much higher than normal attrition which would increase hiring volumes and of course, we get paid a fee for each hire. And so the more churn there is that our clients, the more revenue and volume that we run through PeopleScout. So hard to predict, but it looks like if this ultimately gets implemented there's the potential that could be a nice tailwind for PeopleScout. 46:14 Related to our staffing business, it's just too early to know. There are so many uncertainties things like here's a complication, would you count the site, as the one hundred employee threshold or the staffing providers. So as an example, we have a lot of small landscaping companies that would be fewer than one hundred employees. So would our hundred employee count matter or would it be theirs because it'd be odd for us to send workers to their site and our workers have to be vaccinated. But there is don't. So that's an open item, how about work at home people for our corporate staff. We don't really know. The definition of an employee, if we take the ObamaCare definition, it would have very small impact on our workforce. If it's they work an hour for us and they count it would have a larger impact. And so it's hard for me to say on the staffing side of the business till we see the specifics because there's just so many unknowns that could go so many different directions that it probably be premature for me to try to guess what OSHA is going to come up with in terms of their rules.

Josh Vogel

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

47:19 That's helpful. Obviously a lot of uncertainty and moving parts there and you kind of led into my next question is taking PeopleManagement out of the equation looking at PeopleScout and PeopleReady. And I guess it's a question you can’t really answer because of the definition of an employee, but I was curious what percentage of those clients fall below the one hundred employee threshold, but I guess you can’t answer that right now?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

47:46 Well, I don't have that number handy. I can tell you that if the definition for an employee was the ObamaCare definition we would be in the single-digit percentages of our employees impacted. And then you factor in the percentage of those that are already vaccinated and all of a sudden your it into a very small number. If it turns out, the other extreme where it's they work one hour and they're considered an employee then the impact would be a lot larger and we'd have to do some workarounds for sure. 48:17 The one thing I'd like you to take away is we're well prepared for this. We've been doing this already for clients that have come to us and said hey only send us vaccinated employees. It's been more prevalent in PeopleManagement than in other places, but we're certainly well prepared to operate in this environment if the mandate survives the court challenges. 48:42 I do want to just follow up on one question you asked earlier about the margins in PeopleManagement and PeopleScout. Derrek touched on this a bit but sometimes those go down for a good reason. We've had a lot of wins in PeopleManagement and PeopleScout that are in implementation in Q3 also some in Q4 and so I just know that the quarter-to-quarter can look kind of lumpy from time to time because of a large implementation or a couple of large implementations and we saw some of that in Q3 for sure.

Josh Vogel

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

49:21 I appreciate the follow-up on that. I guess just one last question around the potential for vaccine mandates. Another way to kind of look at it if it perhaps put in place in certain states, but not others, can you give me a sense of your geographic exposure. So I guess blue states versus red?

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

49:46 Yeah, I think, that would be a good question for Derrek to answer.

Derrek Gafford

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

49:52 No, Josh, I don't have it sliced that way. I'd have to check into that one and get back to you.

Josh Vogel

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

50:01 No worries. I didn’t mean to catch you off guard on that one.

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

50:06 Well we do have our [Technical Difficulty] by state Derrek don't we that we could use this kind of a proxy to give Josh a sense of what our revenue is particularly in PeopleReady.

Josh Vogel

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

50:15 Yeah. Like maybe your top five states in terms of revenue or top three states or two states with California, Texas, New York?

Derrek Gafford

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

50:24 California at fourteen percent, Florida at thirteen percent, Texas at nine percent, Illinois at three percent and Washington at three percent. From there on they are all three percent and two percent. I'd have to run up some calculations.

Josh Vogel

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

50:45 No, that's perfect. Well, thank you guys for taking my questions.

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst · Sidoti. Your line is open.

50:50 Thanks, Josh.

Operator

Operator

50:53 [Operator Instructions] There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Beharelle I turn the call back over to you.

Patrick Beharelle

Analyst

51:18 Well thank you everyone for joining the call today and thanks to all of our TrueBlue associates for the great work that they're doing every day. We look forward to speaking with you all again on our Q4 earnings call in early February and make sure everyone stay safe. Take care.

Operator

Operator

51:37 This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.