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Q1 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, May 22, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Kirkland's Inc. first quarter 2014 conference call. During the presentation all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards we will conduct a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). As a reminder, this conference is being recorded today, Thursday, May 22, 2014. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tripp Sullivan of Corporate Communications. Please go ahead sir.

Tripp Sullivan

Management

Good morning and welcome to the Kirkland's conference call to review the company's results for the first quarter of fiscal 2014. On the call this morning are Robert Alderson, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Mike Madden, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. The results, as well as the notice of the accessibility in this conference call on a listen-only basis over the Internet were released earlier this morning in a press release that has been covered by the financial media. Except for historical information discussed during this conference call, the statements made by company management are forward-looking and made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause Kirkland's actual results in future periods to differ materially from forecasted results. Those risks and uncertainties are more fully described in Kirkland's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the company's Annual Report on Form 10-K filed on April 17, 2014. I’ll now turn the call over to Mike for a review of the financial results. Mike.

Mike Madden

Management

Thanks Tripp and good morning everybody. For the first quarter net sales were $108.3 million, that’s a 6.9% increase versus the prior year quarter. Comparable store sales including e-commerce sales increased 5%. Comparable brick-and-mortar sales were up 3.7%, despite the impact of winter weather early in the quarter. During February and through the first week of March we lost 90 store days and an additional 225 days were delayed or closed early due to the weather. The weather became less of an issue as the quarter progressed. E-commerce sales were $5.4 million for the quarter, a 38% increase over the prior year quarter. At the store level the comp sales gain was driven by 3% increase in transactions combined with a slight increase in the average ticket. The increase in transactions resulted from a 4% lift in the conversion rate, partially offset by a 1% decline in traffic. The increase in the average ticket was the result of an increase in items per transaction that overcame a small decline in the average unit retail price. From a geographic standpoint, sales were generally strong across most of the country, particularly in Texas, Florida and throughout the South East. Most merchandise categories recorded strong sales performance during the quarter, most notably textiles, lamps, housewares and holiday. These increases were partially offset by declines in outdoor living, frames and floral, relatively small categories. Of the 324 stores at the end of the quarter, 91% were in off-mall venues and 9% were in enclosed malls. At the end of the quarter we had 2.44 million square feet under lease, that’s a 5% increase from the prior year. The average store size was up 3% at 7,516 square feet. Gross profit margin for the first quarter increased 40 basis points to 39.4%. The increase was…

Robert Alderson

Management

Thanks Mike and good morning everyone. We had a very good quarter featuring a strong comparable sales gain and earnings per share at the top of the guidance range, overcoming a slow start to the quarter from persistent cold temperatures in most of the country and another series of mostly February winter storms. Our business improved nicely in March and only moderated slightly in April, as more normalized weather patterns finally signaled the advent of spring. We were perhaps most pleased to see store traffic continue at a steady improvement and almost flat to the prior year, resulting in a positive sequential impact on transactions that should continue throughout this year. All in all, it was a very solid and balanced performance and continues to suggest that Kirkland’s is providing its customers with an improving and compelling merchandise mix and store experience. The incremental improvement in merchandise margin was pleasing and resulted from the combination of better information from technology gains, lower inbound freight and fewer markdown promotions from a nicely balanced merchandise mix. We continue to anticipate benefits in late 2014 and beyond from additions to our retail enterprise and e-commerce technology, both recently installed and coming online later this year, specifically planning and allocation and order management. The retail climate remains somewhat murky, the retail bellwether Walmart, along with several others unexpectedly delivered what was viewed as disappointing quarterly results. While our businesses remain steady and continues to evidence the consistent improvement we began in early 2013, it’s always concerning to see these broader trends as we try to project future performance. The downward trend of consumer spending in the U.S during March and April, with April negative to the prior year quarter, seems to signal continued slow growth, which could affect retail sales downstream. We remain mindful…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions) And our first question comes from the line of Neely Tamminga with Piper Jaffray. Please go ahead.

Neely Tamminga - Piper Jaffray

Analyst

Great. Good morning and congratulations you guys. It’s great to see the progress in your business.

Robert Alderson

Management

Thank you.

Neely Tamminga - Piper Jaffray

Analyst

You bet. So if I could just ask, Mike you made a mention that the merchandise margin so far, quarter to date, is kind of up slightly. Could you give a little bit more color of what’s behind that? Is it tied to some sort of product mix situation or is it just kind of overall healthier, fuller price type sales and then I just have a follow-up housekeeping question to that.

Mike Madden

Management

Okay. Well, I think we meant we were up 80 basis points in the first quarter and we are not up 80 to start Q2. As I said, we are up slightly. The quarter ended on a little bit more promotional note, I think around the Easter and Mother’s Day timeframe. The retail environment was pretty promotional and we participated in that, but I think the good news here is it’s not, it’s not a dramatic effect on our margin and we were able to generate sales as the quarter closed out, that were very profitable sales and we go into the second quarter with that trend intact. I wouldn’t say there is that much of a shift in the mix right now. We’ve got pretty much most categories performing pretty well as we stated and hopefully that continues as we move through Q2.

Robert Alderson

Management

Neely, I’d just reiterate. I think on the last call I think I said we would like to see continued improvement and expected continued improvement incrementally this year. And if we got 40 to 60 basis points, so quarterly improvement as we move through 2014, we’d be very pleased. We’ll get some of that now with our inbound freight deal. That will continue to take some pressure off, but I think I mentioned a couple of times and I think Mike mentioned it or alluded to it is that we have a really good balance in our mix right now and some of the categories that were a little bit of a drag on us previously have shown some nice improvement in recent months as we’ve worked really hard to make the improvements and we think we’re on the right train, the right style and that we have great pricing still, so we’re reasonably happy with how that’s going.

Neely Tamminga - Piper Jaffray

Analyst

That’s great. And then I just have a high-level’ish and house keeping question here on e-commerce and mobile. So if I’m interpreting this all correctly, basically your traffic is getting better. You’re still seeing a pretty decent acceleration in your e-commerce business. Mobile continues to be potentially a driver for both conversion and traffic. Is this all out that you’re getting a whole new customer basically into your store and that’s part of this next phase of the Kirkland story, is that you’re attracting – by being more of a footprint online, you actually are attracting a new customer altogether. Is that your read and interpretation of that?

Mike Madden

Management

Neely, I think that there’s certainly components of what you covered there that we’re seeing. It’s early and - but the combination of some things give us that impression. I mean even on our loyalty program, we’re finding that half of those people that are signing up weren’t even in our email database, which suggests that we’re not connecting as well with the traffic that’s coming in. So that’s the store level observation. As you get to the online piece, about a third of our unique site visits are coming from a mobile phone, which is – that’s an important statistic. That kind of directs where we’re going to be spending our effort. Tablet; we optimized the tablet recently and that’s like a little less than 20% of the visitors are coming from a tablet. So that’s half of your traffic essentially that is non-PC related and we’ve got to adapt to that, everybody does, but we’re trying to do that and I think that is a younger, maybe slightly different customer that we reach by doing that.

Neely Tamminga - Piper Jaffray

Analyst

That’s great. It’s been fun to watch that unfold. All right, congratulations you guys. Keep up the good work. Thanks.

Robert Alderson

Management

Thanks Neely.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Magee with SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

David Magee - SunTrust

Analyst · SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

Yes hi. Good morning guys and good quarter.

Robert Alderson

Management

Thank you.

David Magee - SunTrust

Analyst · SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

A couple of questions. One is the, given that the macro is still weak and there hasn’t been a commitment made to change advertising just sort of based on the test of last year, what’s behind the traffic improving so nicely on a sequential basis?

Mike Madden

Management

I’d say part of that David is just a progression through the last few quarters where we have seen an improving mix, which is showing in the conversion rate being up. I’m kind of tying it back to our history when we’ve seen a prolonged conversion lift that kind of turns into a traffic benefit. It’s kind of a lagging indicator I guess. So I think some of it is just kind of getting a little better each quarter and building up to that.

David Magee - SunTrust

Analyst · SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

[Inaudible] can come back sooner I guess, right.

Mike Madden

Management

More frequently, yes, yes.

Robert Alderson

Management

I agree with Mike. I think the improvement in the mix that we’ve seen, which has been evidenced by metrics, I think we predicted consistently throughout 2013 and even in the beginning of this year that we would see this happen because of what we were seeing in reaction to the mix. I would also say that I think although we’re not spending that much more in advertising this year, I think we’re directing it a bit differently and using the learnings of last year in order to maximize that. We’re also expanding some markets that are going to get some exposure and we continue to press on the social side of contact with customers and the email side and the loyalty program. I think all of those together and I would also kind of once again put a spotlight on the loyalty program, the lift from it and say that this is a somewhat naturally but widespread effect that’s cumulatively lifting the boats.

Mike Madden

Management

And David, I’d like to add just one bit to that. The marketing that Robert alluded to, although we’re spending about the same amount of money this year, for example this quarter coming up here, we’ll be in 25 markets in primarily print form versus 10 in the prior year test. So we’re reaching more people with the same amount of dollars. It’s just by focusing a little bit more on print and a little less on TV and we’re seeing brand awareness tick up in traffic and sales in those markets. So it’s not an insignificant part of the traffic progression that we’ve seen, but we just haven’t been in that many markets to say that it’s affecting the whole chain yet.

David Magee - SunTrust

Analyst · SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

I see. And then I guess is it fair to assume based on what you said earlier that a large part of your online business is coming from customers that are close to your stores. Didn’t you say a large percentage choose to pick it up in the store.

Mike Madden

Management

Yes, that number is about 40% of our orders that are delivered to the store for the customer, yes.

David Magee - SunTrust

Analyst · SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

Well, it seems like that could be a big opportunity as well, developing the customer base in areas in which you don’t have stores.

Mike Madden

Management

Absolutely. I think it goes hand-in-hand. As we grow into some of these markets, that helps the web as well; it works both ways. We don’t have presence in some of these markets and we’re getting some Internet sales from them. Its to your point that right now it is more confined to our existing footprint, but we’re working to change that. We have online marketing as well; we do a lot of that.

Robert Alderson

Management

And I would also say David, if we don’t convert a in-store pick up customer, you know shame on us. We’re trying to provide incentives for that and to make that a point of emphasis in our stores, because that’s a proven customer who is highly motivated to come in-store that day.

David Magee - SunTrust

Analyst · SunTrust. Please proceed with your question.

Right. Well great, thank you and best of luck here.

Robert Alderson

Management

Thank you, David.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from the line one Anthony Lebiedzinski with Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead. Anthony Lebiedzinski - Sidoti & Company: Good morning. I just wanted to ask you as part of the branding campaign. So you mentioned Mike that you’re doing this in 25 markets versus 10 markets. So when you look at your whole business, how many markets actually did you have internally?

Mike Madden

Management

Well, just to put it in perspective, the 25 and the 133 stores, that’s about 40% of the chain. So it depends on what you define as a market and we have stores in very small towns and we have stores in major metros. One of the things that I would point out on the 25 is that it does include some larger markets in the mix and the test last year is from a cost standpoint and well mainly from a cost standpoint. We did not go into the Dallas’s and the Houston’s and we are able to do that in this marketing, because the cost and the entry point is a little easier to take on. Anthony Lebiedzinski - Sidoti & Company: So at what point can we expect that you’ll be reaching out your entire store base or close to the entire store base with these efforts.

Mike Madden

Management

Well, lets see, we’re in year two of the test and we’re from low markets to 40%. I don’t know that it will progress along the same lines, because again, we’re geographically dispersed such that some markets are not very efficient for us to enter and we’ve been trying to keep a balance between expanding a lot of SG&A on a new marketing capability with some – we want to control those costs as best we can and not go into some of these markets that you don’t have the presence or the ability to spread it around to enough volume to make it make sense. So some of that we’ll go with as we grow the real estate, so I think it will take a few years. It could take a couple of years to get to a – you said a 100%. I don’t see that right now, because we got to grow the company a little bit. Anthony Lebiedzinski - Sidoti & Company: Right, okay. So in other words you need a certain amount of critical mass of source in the market to make this worth your investment.

Mike Madden

Management

Yes, I think we did a study at one point. I want to say, don’t quote me on the number, it’s close. I want to say that to hit max efficiency we would only be reaching about two-thirds or 70% of the chain and that was about a year ago, so we’ll keep looking at that, but it also needs to correspond with what’s working and we’re trying to take a step by step approach to that and adjust as we move forward and see what really is making a difference. Anthony Lebiedzinski - Sidoti & Company: Okay, that makes sense and also, how much of your same store sales gain would you say was attributable to having a better merchandize system in place.

Mike Madden

Management

Well, that’s a hard one to really quantify. I think what we try to monitor there is some in-stock levels on some of the items that we put a focus on as core. We look at our merchandize margin in concert with the sales. We reflect on how we’re using the system and see where it’s making a difference. I would hesitate to assign a number to the comp gain, but we think it’s a benefit for sure. Anthony Lebiedzinski - Sidoti & Company: Okay, and in terms of the overall expected benefits from having this improved merchandize system. If you were to use a baseball analogy, I mean what inning are we in, in terms of expected benefit from this.

Robert Alderson

Management

I’d say third inning. We are still early stage. We don’t have everything fully loaded on it yet. We don’t have experience time with it. There’s so much area of growth and opportunity and it really is about how you continue to adapt personnel and process to higher capability or better capability and we’re trying to take a very holistic approach as to how we look at it and how we approach those or that intended improvement. Anthony Lebiedzinski - Sidoti & Company: Okay, thank you very much.

Robert Alderson

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brad Thomas with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Brad Thomas - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks. Good morning Robert and Mike. Let me add my congratulations as well.

Robert Alderson

Management

Thank you.

Brad Thomas - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

I wanted to just follow-up on the margin question. Primarily Robert I think you were saying that you’d be pleased to see 40 to 60 basis points. I just want to clarify, is that merchandize margin your talking about or the gross margin that your talking about there?

Robert Alderson

Management

Merchandize margin.

Brad Thomas - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And so as we think about the net effect on the gross margin and I guess this would be a question for Mike, how should we think about the net of the different outbound for freight and central distribution costs. Would you expect those to be headwinds?

Mike Madden

Management

Well, what I would say collectively with all those items, other than merchandize margin, which is if we hit kind of what Robert said, if you call it 40 to 60 or whatever, that the gross margin would be a tick higher than that, because your going to leverage occupancy with a comp gain and your going to probably have a little headwind on the outbound piece, because of more of our business maybe shifting to e-commerce. There is more labor to deal with that in our DC that we’re kind of working through right now, because we’re starting to hit a point where we’ve got insert some efficiencies in that process. So there’s some slight headwind, maybe on the outbound and the central DC. Not too much, but I think net occupancy outbound DC, your going to leverage a little bit with the comps that are forecast.

Brad Thomas - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, that’s great. I just wanted to make sure we were all clear on that given your starting to lapse on the success that you had last year. And to that point, if I could just follow-up on comps, the recent trends in traffic sound very encouraging. What are you expecting in terms of the balance of the comp going forward as we think about ticket and traffic?

Mike Madden

Management

In terms of where it’s coming from in the transaction statistics?

Brad Thomas - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Right.

Mike Madden

Management

Yes. Well, I think it’s a combination. We are seeing better traffic trends sequentially. We’re not to the point where we’re saying we’re up year-over-year consistently yet, but we are basically on where we were last year now in terms of count and the trend is going in the right direction. So that could conceivably help comps in the back half if that continued. I don’t think we’re baking too much of that into our guidance. I think its more still in line with conversion and ticket, but it does kind of help to put that out there and to know that your traffic is stabilized a bit or is in a better place.

Brad Thomas - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Great, and if I could just ask one more on the share repurchase program, I can imagine there’s not a lot you could say, but the last program that you put into place I think was about an 18 month window for authorization. You completed the program in 12 months. Anything you can tell us about your, I guess level of excitement to get out and purchase shares at this current price.

Mike Madden

Management

Well, we’re probably not ready to comment to that. We got some work to do in terms of putting a plan in place to actually execute and we’re working on that with our board.

Brad Thomas - KeyBanc Capital Markets

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thanks so much guys and keep up the great work.

Robert Alderson

Management

Thank you, Brad.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Berman with Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Hi guys.

Robert Alderson

Management

Hey David.

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

A few questions. The first one is on capital expenditures. Your saying that your capital expenditures are gone up to about $35 million and that’s almost double of last years capital expenditures of about $17.9 million and I think one of the great success stories of your great turnaround since 2008 has just been your cash flow and how your building the cash. But with the net cash from operations being about between $30 million and $40 million for each of the last three years, it seems like your capital expenditures are going to eat up most of your cash flow. So I’m just trying to understand why you have decided to double your CapEx this year and if you can just embellish on it, you mentioned some of the things your spending it on, but can you just embellish on that please?

Mike Madden

Management

Sure. A big part of the increase is stores. We’re going to build more stores than we built last year. I think we got guidance of 35 to 40 and last year we did 24, so that’s a part of it and remember that our CapEx is gross, its gross dollars. As we talk about our store model and you got to also think about that we’re getting a big contribution from the landlord to fill that store, so on that…

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

The last two years, that’s been about $5 million here, $4 million to $5 million.

Mike Madden

Management

Just on a per store basis I would say its $250,000 to $300,000 on a $450,000 gross build out. So it’s a big part of it and it will be more than $5 million this year, because we’re building more stores, so that’s a big piece of the increase. The other one is just our investment in – as a major project on the e-commerce side and when we get past that project, which is…

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

How much is that?

Mike Madden

Management

Kind of a $4 million to $5 million all in with the integrations and the connection with all the other systems and all the functionality we’re trying to turn on. When you get past that, I think to Robert’s point earlier in the call, I mean we’ve added some people on the SG&A side. We’ve done some projects to kind of position us to be able to operate in this brick and mortar and online world and I think you’d see CapEx drop next year is what I’m saying. So that’s a few major different ones.

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

The idea of jumping to 35 to 40 new stores, because you’ve had flat store growth on a net basis for the last few years, right. Looking at 325, 323, 310, is this like a sudden change in philosophy to a sudden increase in the number of stores?

Robert Alderson

Management

Well, I think philosophy only to the extent that I think we understand with all the foundational work and the investment that we’ve made in the last three to four years, its time for this company and we’re positioned now to opportunistically grow and build our top line and become a more relevant player in the sector. We’re never going to be out of control and we suggested that a 10% square footage, net square footage growth rate would be a positive step in that direction and one that we felt like we could easily control. Its not more stores than we built before. We’ve done this before.

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

And you still got – you haven’t built any so far this year in Q1. So the 35 to 40 are going to come – you’ve got a few in Q2 coming, but most of its going to be – are you on track for that for Q3 and Q4, at least 30 stores plus, right.

Robert Alderson

Management

No, no, no. We’ve already opened seven in Q1, if I’m understanding your question.

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Oh, that’s right …(Cross Talk).

Robert Alderson

Management

And we’ll be somewhere – I’m going to guess we’ll be, well, we’ll be minimum 12 as I said earlier; we’re maybe more in Q3. Now we occasionally opened stores in Q4, but it’s typically on the backside of the holiday season when it’s not an impact on the most critical selling weeks, so…

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

I know you finally got the bigger stores or better, because I mean I’m nervous that your average – your net sales per square foot has gone down 15% in the last five years. Is that because your stores are just bigger or what is that from?

Robert Alderson

Management

Largely because of slightly bigger stores, but our stores are – I think we called out 7,516 square feet on average and the ones that we opened today would be in the typically around 7,500 to 8,000 square feet. We’re trying to maintain – when we look at those deals, we look at them with the idea of maintaining and controlling our occupancy percentage, so I think we’re below 10% as a chain and as we look at new deals going forward, if we get into more expensive parts of the country, on an individual basis they are not going to all be 7%, 8%, 9% occupancy cost deals, but it will still be in a very, very advantageous place, vis-à-vis most retail chains in terms of the occupancy size. So as long as we remain cautious about what we do, we don’t get crazy and we would only open a 15,000 square foot store if we could get that footage for the price we paid for eight.

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Right, right. I guess when I look at the big picture I get a little nervous. First of all, I’m not a fan of the buyback program. We joke about that, but I mean I don’t understand – because one of the exciting things about investing in your company is that you got this big cash balance, which you’ve been to a really bad period in 2007, 2008 and so you should need to have a bigger cushion than maybe most other companies and that is there sort of to pay out as a dividend one day. Wouldn’t it be, I mean, I understand the board to look through all this, but do management get compensated if there’s a long time dividend; probably not right? Because that would mean if you don’t see that happening, then use the cash. But Robert especially given that your earnings per share is pretty flat, you haven’t earned over $1 in about three years now.

Robert Alderson

Management

Well, I’m having a little bit of a trouble hearing you, the specifics of your question, but let me say it, let me respond this way, we are not incentivized on share price in terms of how we get paid. We’re incentivized on the operating line, operating net income and so our job is to deliver operating income and earnings at the same time. So there’s a balance that’s required there and when we’re dealing with a share buyback, it doesn’t have anything to do with how management gets paid.

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

All right, I understand that, but anyway, I would probably do the one-time dividend. I guess it’s too late for that.

Robert Alderson

Management

Well, it is too late for that. I would also say David that our board has never taken anything off the table and we’ll continue to look at all alternatives and we talk about every one of them at that time and we do that with our advisors. So continue to remind us.

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

I want to share your optimism for the earnings going forward. 5% is a great comp this quarter, well done. The concern is that we got to stick to the plan here. Every retailers is missing numbers, the mortar is going down, the internet is taking over, and your earnings have been stagnant for three years and in many ways in no fault of your own, given all these changes you talk about and yet your increasing the stores. I’m just a little concerned about the direction. It’s not (inaudible) 10 years ago where you get paid for growth and your not giving earnings improvement, and of course it’s costing you a lot of money with your CapEx, so I’m just…

Robert Alderson

Management

Well, we haven’t done it yet, so why don’t we talk about that in a year and see whether we made the progress or not that you’re talking about. I don’t think this necessarily follows that we get that result.

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

I understand. Look, I know with you sitting there and its frustrating not to get the top line growth over the last four years, but its great to see you as a cash flow company with decent returns. Even if you’re not a growth company and you see the cash grow and grow and grow, that can be seems like the competing part of your story and I wouldn’t too dissatisfied with that.

Robert Alderson

Management

We’re not and as I think Mike made the point earlier that even in a higher CapEx year this year, we expect cash to grow and we expect to have less CapEx next year and therefore we would expect cash to grow more next year. Well, the one thing about this model is that throws all ample cash for what I believe is a very safe position for the balance sheet of this company. I don’t think we’re going to jeopardize that.

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

It does, it does, but this year is cutting it fine. I mean $35 million in CapEx, $40 million is the high in the last five years of your cash flow, its just cutting it fine. I’d just like to see a bit more lever, because we are in a very tough environment here. I mean it’s not that peachy to do the numbers with good margins and top line in this environment. It’s a strange world out there.

Robert Alderson

Management

Thank you. We do appreciate your concern.

David Berman - Berman Capital

Analyst · Berman Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Anyway, I appreciate all your good work and I appreciate the cash flow. Please (inaudible) on the buying back of the shares, all right. Thanks a lot.

Robert Alderson

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Mr. Alderson we have no further questions at this time. I’ll now turn the call back to you.

Robert Alderson

Management

Well, we thank everybody for their time today and of course their interest in Kirkland’s and we’ll be talking to you in a few months about Q2, so thanks.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your line.