Damian Kozlowski
Analyst · Joe Yanchunis with Raymond James
Yes. So the embedded finance opportunity is very large, right? So we haven't traditionally done any program management for our partners. And what embedded finance really does is package all the capabilities that we have today. We've talked about this whole layer cake of fee opportunities, and it delivers the entire menu to somebody who wants to embed it in their app, such as a gig economy company. And so that makes that -- we not only -- and because we have such scale and the other things, and obviously, we're profitable doing it, if you're able to deliver the program management element, and that's a big growing market, it's going to be in the future, it's a big opportunity. If you recall, the program manager, you'd have to rebate this, obviously, to your partner, but that is the biggest part of where you get the fees, right? So that typically can be up to 80% of the interchange structure in the program management. That's where they get all their revenue from, right? So today, we're a few percent, maybe 4% at the max of those fees. So if you're able to layer on the program management element, you still obviously have to pay things like Visa, Mastercard and networks. But then there's a much richer fee environment, of which, of course, you'll share that with your partner, but that makes our platform much more profitable than it would have been if we just sold it piecemeal. Or for some partners like Chime, we sell all layers of the cake. But in certain cases, we only sell parts of that offer. But that's kind of packaging that entire offer and then it increases the fee environment for us to monetize the platform.