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Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 6, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by. My name is Kathleen and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Talkspace Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I would like to turn the call over to Jeannine Feyen, Director of Communications. Please go ahead.

Jeannine Feyen

Analyst

Good morning, and welcome to Talkspace’s earnings conference call for the second quarter of 2024. I hope you’ve had the opportunity to access the press release we posted on Talkspace’s IR website and the presentation of our earnings results. We’ll use the presentation to walk you through today’s remarks. Leading today’s call are our CEO, Dr. Jon Cohen; and our CFO, Ian Harris. Management will offer their prepared remarks, and we’ll then take your questions. Certain measures we’ll discuss on this call are expressed on a non-GAAP basis and have been adjusted to exclude the impact of one-off items. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures are included in our earnings release and on our website, talkspace.com. I also want to remind you that we will be discussing forward-looking information today, which may include forecasts, targets and other statements regarding our plans, goals, and strategic priorities and anticipated financial results. While these statements represent our best current judgment about future results and performance as of today, our actual results are subject to many risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from what we expect. Important factors that may affect our future results are described in our most recent SEC reports and today’s earnings press release. For more information, please review our safe harbor disclaimer on Slide 2. Now I will turn it over to Dr. Jon Cohen.

Jon Cohen

Analyst

Thanks, Jeannine. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our second quarter 2024 call. We are pleased to report that Talkspace has achieved another strong quarter of results, reflecting continued execution across the business. Before I get into the results, I want to reiterate some of the data we recently released on the new normalization survey we reported on last week. This survey of over 3,000 current, former, and prospective clients of telehealth mental health services found that 85% of people are more open to therapy than they were five years ago. Gen Z and 65 year olds and older respondents cite loneliness as a top concern for seeking therapy. 99% believe that it should be covered by insurance and that mental health is the number one benefit they want from their employer. This data confirms and supports our continued optimism about the future of the business. Now turning to results. During the quarter, revenue increased 29% year-over-year to $46.1 million and we delivered our second consecutive profitable quarter with adjusted EBITDA coming in at $1.2 million. Strong year-over-year top line growth reflects both the significant demand for behavioral healthcare as well as the power of the Talkspace brand and our ability to drive new members to use the Talkspace platform. Our continued cost discipline and the benefits of scale are highlighting the operating leverage inherent in the business, which is reflected in our adjusted EBITDA progress. Let me cover our results in the second quarter by revenue category. First, our payer revenue grew 62% year-over-year, thanks to our strategic relationships with the payers. This annual growth is a result of several factors. First, our continued expansion of covered lives, which grew from 131 million to 145 million by quarter end. This was the result of adding…

Ian Harris

Analyst

Thank you Jon, and good morning everyone. First, let me say what an honor it is to join this incredible group of people at the preeminent virtual mental health platform. I’m looking forward to helping execute on the strategic mission of the business, making access to high quality therapy more affordable and accessible for everyone through in network and employer sponsored coverage. With 10 weeks of CFO under my belt, it’s clear to me that Talkspace has the resources, human capital and the culture of innovation, as well as the operational rigor to continue to lead the digital mental health industry. As Talkspace enters a new phase of profitable growth with a robust set of opportunities ahead of us, I’m excited to work closely with the leadership team to help execute on the strategic direction of the business by optimizing resource allocation to drive long-term benefits for the company, and to also clearly articulate our strategy to all of our stakeholders. So let me start with our financials. My comments today will be based primarily on second quarter results on a year-on-year basis, unless otherwise noted. Total revenue for the second quarter was $46.1 million, a 29% increase from a year ago. Adjusted EBITDA was approximately $1.2 million in the second quarter, an improvement of $5.2 million versus the prior year period and marks our second consecutive quarter of profitability. Moving to results by revenue categories. Payer revenue was $29.9 million, a 62% increase versus the prior year period. Payer sessions completed by behavioral health and EAP members grew 5% sequentially and 49% year-over-year to nearly 299,000. Unique payer members completing a session grew by over 30% year-on-year to 89,000. Additionally, we experienced a 15% year-on-year improvement in the utilization of sessions per active member, driven by continued product enhancements…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Stephanie Davis of Barclays. Your line is now open.

Stephanie Davis

Analyst

Hey guys, congrats on the quarter. Thanks for taking my question.

Jon Cohen

Analyst

Good morning.

Stephanie Davis

Analyst

Good morning and welcome to some of the new generations. So government lives are becoming a bigger part of your story, right? You’ve got the Medicare rollout, we now have TRICARE. With that in mind, how should we think about these economics and how they compare to commercialize? And now that we’ve got a bit more time with these populations, do we have any inklings on how utilization and maybe other usage metrics compare?

Jon Cohen

Analyst

So first off, the Medicare really we have no data yet, quite honestly on what that’s going to look like. It’s really, really early days. We are, as we say, we’re in 12 states. We’ll be in 50 by the end of the year. But we really have no line of sight yet on what that’s going to look like. We have not yet quite honestly launched a fully baked marketing plan to go to mark with Medicare as we’re looking to make sure we’re in some of the larger Medicare Advantage plans as we move the plan forward. So really, no data yet. We suspect on Medicare reimbursement versus the commercials, but I just – I’m just not prepared to talk about it yet because I don’t have anything to tell you yet.

Ian Harris

Analyst

Yes, Stephanie, good morning. This is Ian. As you can imagine, done a lot of analysis sort of proactively about it, but as Jon mentioned, we want to be really methodical about how we roll out in terms of the marketing initiatives. As you can imagine, there’s an element of, call it critical mass before national advertising makes sense. And so while we’re on track to get to that 50 state target by the end of the year that we talked about, we’re waiting a little bit to really sort of start opening up the marketing spigot, which we’re going to do very deliberately and carefully. And as Jon mentioned in his prepared remarks, we’ll be announcing our first Medicare Advantage plan, likely early Q4. And so I would say at that point we’ll probably be close to that critical mass point, but we’ll start spending more capital around it. But it all comes – what I think you’re alluding to it all factors into, right, the ultimate contribution analysis we’re trying to solve for and how we go about marketing to those members.

Jon Cohen

Analyst

I want to – Stephanie, one of the important, really unknowns for us and anybody on the Medicare market is we don’t know what the LTV is going to be on Medicare, right? So it’s not just the issue of what we’re going to get reimbursed, but how long are they going to stay on the platform, how much longer than a commercial payer or a younger person, let’s put it that way. So those are all contributing to a little bit of what’s going to happen, and it’s – there’s just a bunch of unknowns still.

Stephanie Davis

Analyst

Okay. Understood. I guess flip side of that, looking at your cost structure, we’ve seen some pretty steady declines in OpEx over the past few years and it’s starting to flatten out this quarter. So can you walk us through kind of the buckets of cost optimization and what’s left? Or is that flattening more a function of the costs associated with this Medicare rollout and the TRICARE wins? All you guys are doing behind the scenes against these lives up and running?

Ian Harris

Analyst

It’s more the former, right? I wouldn’t look at our current quarter and assume we’re holding back our marketing initiatives overall targeting member media, if that’s what’s in your question. I would say obviously with me coming in and being able to take a fresh look at our cost base overall, I do think there’s some opportunity which we’re already sort of actioning a few initiatives to call it save in certain G&A areas and reinvest those savings into more revenue generating things, whether it’s new marketing initiatives, right, talking about Medicare is just one of those. But also importantly, I think a lot of the sort of longer-term revenue generating investments we’re making both on product, new product development and also just in our platform overall. So one of the things I’m sort of wrestling a little bit is there’s no shortage of really exciting, high impact, sort of attractive ROI projects that are competing for capital inside the business. And so the more we can sort of optimize around the margins and save a little bit, the more budget we’ll have for those sorts of things.

Stephanie Davis

Analyst

And that’s it. Thank you very much. Very helpful.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Charles Rhyee from TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Lucas Hunt

Analyst

Hi, this is Lucas Hunt for Charles. Wanted to ask about your Humana TRICARE East contract and get some more details there. By our math, this contract could represent somewhere in the neighborhood of $12 million to $14 million in annual contract value. One, does that math seem right or in the ballpark? And then two, how should we think about the timing of that contract and how it rolls out? Should we think of it as a one start, or should we think of it being a rollout period across multiple states?

Jon Cohen

Analyst

Yes, so, well, I’ll talk about that. The rollout is nothing. Once we’re live, we’re live. There was always been no matter who we add on. Yes, I’m having trouble, Lucas, you’re typing in the background. I can’t hear you. Sorry, somebody’s typing. So the Medicare rollout is across states, but it is a national rollout and it just takes some time to get everybody on board, although – we announced it purposely because we were ready to go. I would say on just on the opportunity side, just some data. The current rate of depression on military – active military is 23%. The suicide rate in the last several years has increased by 40%. So we know that the – unfortunately, the opportunity in the military and defense is actually is fairly high, probably close to and similar to what we’re seeing in teens and what we suspect we’ll see in seniors over the age of 65. In terms of risks…

Ian Harris

Analyst

Yes, we don’t comment on sort of payer by payer, contract by contract values, but I think you can maybe back into it a little bit, just given yesterday’s press release around the covered lives. And to Jon’s point, I would – we’re in market already. We’re working very closely with them to try to figure out how to most effectively and quickly roll this out to their population, because for all the reasons Jon laid out, it’s a very high priority for them and very high for us. And so, as we’ve said before, we typically would help folks externally to budget, call it six or so months, to really see that sort of initial step up in revenue from a new population launch. And that’s just a little bit of integration back office less interesting stuff perhaps, but also just getting the word out to those covered members to let them know, hey, this benefit is available, it’s accessible today and it’s de minimis to zero out of pocket for you. And so you can – yes, maybe back into it a little bit, but I would say give it a couple quarters to really start to see the revenue show up in our consolidated P&L.

Lucas Hunt

Analyst

Okay. Appreciate the color on that. And then my other question is, one of your competitors recently announced that it would look to implement payer coverage for what has largely been a direct consumer, telehealth, mental and behavioral health business. Would like to hear a little bit about how you’re thinking about this change in the competitive landscape.

Jon Cohen

Analyst

Yes, so I’ll – I’m not going to comment specifically on any specific competitor, what they do or what they want to. But what I will do is give you a little bit of color on what it takes to go in network, so that you have an idea of where we’ve been on basically a two and a half year journey to get to where we are. And I think there’s really four areas to consider when anybody is going to move like we did from a consumer market into a fee for service reimbursed model through the insurer. So the first is a product design. The design of product for a person who has insurance is significant. And it takes a fair amount of investment of time and resources to be able to establish the workflow for that kind of patient, which is very different than a consumer, which includes building a total eligibility capability to be able to determine eligibility, determine copay, determine deductible, and give the patient a really adequate look at what it could or could not cost them as they go into network. That’s in addition to being able to bill and collect from the payers and the remaining revenue that may or may not sit on the table. So that’s – the first is product design. The second, if you go, is actually getting into network. The ability to go to a payer, negotiate a contract, complete the contract, and then operationalize it like we just talked with military, we launched the military yesterday, but the time from when we first began discussing to them to now has been a significant amount of time. Now, in addition is once you get the contract is the ability to operationalize that for a payer. That’s…

Lucas Hunt

Analyst

Understood. Thanks for all the color.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Daniels of William Blair. Please go ahead.

Jack Senft

Analyst

Yes. Hey, guys, this is Jack Senft on for Ryan Daniels. Thanks for taking the questions. First, and this is similar to Stephanie's question, but can you just kind of talk about the early momentum, I mean, if any, that you're seeing within the Medicare population and kind of if there have been any challenges you have identified within this population and then maybe just a quick second part, are there any learnings for when you launch in the states beyond the 12 that you're already launched? Thanks.

Jon Cohen

Analyst

No, I wouldn't say, there's any learnings. I said – I would say that there is – we know that there is a significant market and interest on Medicare. We know that because we know how many people have already gone to the site to determine whether or not their Medicare eligible or not. That is a significant number. I'll reiterate what Ian said, the reason we're – our launch plan is developed the way it is, is we don't want lots of people to come to the site and then find out that they're not eligible yet because we're not in their state. So, and in addition, remember, you have two very large Medicare populations. You have standard Medicare which 80% is covered, and then a lot of people have a secondary insurance. The other huge part of the market is Medicare Advantage. So as Ian said, as we get launched into Medicare Advantage a little bit further down, end of Q3, Q4, that means that the opportunity for essentially any Medicare person to become eligible. So that's really what we're trying to do. We're trying to time it so that we have the best possibility to capture as many patients as possible. But I'll reiterate the interest because we announced has been significant.

Ian Harris

Analyst

Yes, Jack, I would just add on, so a lot of inbound interest simply from our sort of one-off press release in May, we used the phrase launch for those 12 states. I would say the way we think about more internally in terms of how we're planning is we actually haven't even launched, we've made available in 12 states. We're really holding back because again, there's a trade off on paying a premium to hyper focus our marketing outreach into those 12 states versus, we believe, a better cost benefit of waiting for that sort of critical mass and having a bit more scale of the tipping point, which what we're communicating is. Think about that as like an early Q4. And so as it relates to sort of forecasting opportunity. Just to remind you what we said last quarter is, this has always been for us, a fairly modest, I'd say, very modest contributor to 2024 revenue, given the sort of Q4 ramp up. And so I would view it much more as a material driver of top line in 2025.

Jack Senft

Analyst

Okay, understood. Thanks for the color. As a follow up to, and I may have missed this in your prepared remarks, but G&A expense was up just a bit sequentially and as a percent of revenue. Is there anything that drove this specifically and maybe how should we think about the quarterly cadence of G&A expense going forward from here? Thanks.

Ian Harris

Analyst

No, I mean, nothing to call out for this quarter as a percentage of sales, but I would say this sort of level that we're at – this quarter is probably a fair sort of benchmark baseline going forward. And again, the composition of SG&A to me matters a lot, right. So I think the absolute number is a fair baseline here, but where that capital is actually being spent underneath is a huge focus of mine. And so to the earlier question, right, I'd like to save in some areas more on the G&A side and be able to either let that fall to the bottom line and/or and it'll be a combination of all three invest in these long-term sort of product initiatives through our product and tech team, and that will drive revenue sort of medium and longer term, as well as reinvest some of those savings into some of our marketing initiatives, again, carefully and deliberately, which obviously contributes to sort of near-term and medium term revenue in that it helps drive new members and utilization.

Jack Senft

Analyst

Okay, perfect. Thank you and congrats again.

Ian Harris

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ryan MacDonald of Needham. Please go ahead.

Ryan MacDonald

Analyst

Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just another one on the Medicare rollout, do you expect to be rolled out in all 50 states in time for open enrollment later this year? And how should we think about the magnitude of maybe the marketing spend that would be associated around open enrollment given the importance for Medicare? And is this sort of baked into your expectations currently for adjusted EBITDA for the full year? Thanks.

Jon Cohen

Analyst

Yes, so I don't know the concluding date on open enrollment, but I would say we're going to be right in the middle of it. So in addition, we'll be what I believe is enough of the Medicare Advantage to benefit to some degree for the rollout in the mid to late fall of the Medicare Advantage rollout also. So I think we're going to be, honestly, we'll probably be right in the middle of it, so we should be able to take advantage of that. Remember, there are existing 65 million Medicare lives, so this is just a huge number of patients who currently are in. But my predictions will be right in the middle and I reiterated is we now at least have some indication of the size and interest of the Medicare population to get their therapy through Talkspace.

Ian Harris

Analyst

To your question, I think on spend, we're not assuming a massive spike in this grand reveal when we launch Medicare. I would say, it factors into just our overall sort of marketing, budgeting and where we want to deploy capital. For similar to the teams contract, right, where it's a very sort of unique demographic, unique population that consumes media differently than the sort of 18 to 64 general commercial population. That's obviously a similar case here with Medicare. And so we're actually exploring a lot of interesting partnerships, new channels, sort of potential, what we would hope to be ultimately tack accretive ways to reach these folks efficiently and sort of cost effectively. So I wouldn't expect any material impact to EBITDA driven by this year in a negative sense in terms of rollout.

Ryan MacDonald

Analyst

I appreciate the color there. Maybe second on the Direct-to-Enterprise channel, specifically your commentary around the employer channel, we're starting to see some survey data for 2025 that benefits and wellness and particularly mental health, mental wellness is increasing in priority for organizations with 500 employees and less and then 500 to 5,000 employees. Just wondering if you're starting to see maybe this as sort of increased level of demand in sort of the early stages of your pipeline development and whether you feel like it's strong enough environment to incrementally invest on that employer channel side. Thanks.

Jon Cohen

Analyst

Yes, I could confirm what you're saying is that on the mid to lower level number of employees firms, we are seeing continued significant interest in supporting mental health as an issue. And our – interesting enough, our offering because it's a pure-play mental health is getting a lot of attention because it is the number one issue. And there are quite honestly a lot of employers that are not prepared to deal with a large number of other small point solutions in their EAP programs. And what they're doing is, they are concentrating on mental health. So we have seen and our pipeline continues to be to grow for that, for that particular environment. And then we also have small companies who actually self signing up. We have on the web the ability with, if you have 100 employees or less to actually sign up with Talkspace for your employees. And we're seeing traction there also.

Ian Harris

Analyst

Yes, just on DTE overall, the short answer is yes, I mean, absolutely. We're seeing that demand. We see that in our pipeline sort of both in terms of growth, but more importantly in terms of development. As Jon mentioned, we introduced recently this self-serve portal for SMB for sub 100 employees. We may actually – we're getting like organic amount interest without a doing very much just yet around sort of getting the word out there. We've also made lots of progress in recent quarters with the sort of broker community who works more in the middle market, right. So in the sense of trying to variablize our sales force, we're working with a lot of – think of them as like VARs or in software resellers to really leverage these existing relationships that are being sold into these middle market. And sort of piggybacking on those discussions to add mental health Talkspace as a point of sale.

Jon Cohen

Analyst

I would say, I mean, just broadly in the DTE business, taking a step back, it was another strong quarter of year-on-year growth, right, we grew 20%. Last quarter, we mentioned the timing of net new wins being variable quarter-to-quarter, just like any sort of enterprise business is. I spent a lot of time in with enterprise software businesses and it's very similar dynamics. But based on what we're seeing in terms of RFP flow, our pipeline health, our pipeline development, we're very confident in the growth of that business this year. On the team side, we continue to get a ton of inbound interest. A lot of that's driven by obviously what's now we would view as our proven ability to really excel here, right. Just point to New York and Baltimore and that sort of core set of capabilities that's very difficult to replicate on the product side. And we've talked before about how popular async is. While we don't give sort of product level guidance, what I will say about DTE, just to help be all frame sort of your modeling on a year-on-year basis from 2023 to 2024, we expect annual growth to sort of be in the high teens or better. So hopefully that can give you a little bit of guidance in terms of the cadence. But overall, we feel really confident about what we're seeing in the pipeline and RFP flow.

Ryan MacDonald

Analyst

Excellent. Thanks for the call.

Operator

Operator

Okay, that was our final question. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.