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Q3 2012 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 6, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Hospitality Properties Trust Third Quarter 2012 Financial Results Conference Call. This call is being recorded. At this time, for our opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to the Senior Manager of Investor Relations, Ms. Carlynn Finn. Please go ahead, Miss.

Carlynn Finn

Management

Thank you, and good afternoon. Joining me on today's call are John Murray, President; and Mark Kleifges, Chief Financial Officer. John and Mark will make a short presentation, which will be followed by a question-and-answer session. The recording and retransmission of today's conference call is strictly prohibited without the prior written consent of HPT. Before we begin today's call, I would like to read our Safe Harbor statement. Today's conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and other securities laws. These forward-looking statements are based on HPT's present beliefs and expectations as of today, November 6, 2012. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revision to the forward-looking statements made in today's conference call other than through filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, or SEC. In addition, this call may contain non-GAAP financial measures including normalized fund from operations, or normalized FFO. A reconciliation of normalized FFO and EBITDA to net income, as well as components to calculate AFFO, CAD or FAD are available in our supplemental package found in the Investor Relations section of the company's website. Actual results may differ materially from those projected in these forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause those differences is contained in our Form 10-Q to be filed with the SEC and in our Q3 supplemental operating and financial data found on our website at www.hptreit.com. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance upon any forward-looking statements. Now I'd like to turn the call over to John Murray.

John G. Murray

Management

Thank you, Carlynn. Good afternoon, and welcome to our third quarter 2012 earnings call. Today HPT reported third quarter normalized FFO of $0.74 per share. Focusing first on our TravelCenter investments, this morning TA reported third quarter 2012 net income of $19 million. TA's third quarter performance at HPT's 185 travel centers included continued strong per gallon diesel margins, despite generally increasing fuel prices and reduced volumes during the quarter. Reduced fuel volumes reflect a combination of factors, including a slowing economy, continued conservation efforts in the trucking industry and TA's CapEx initiative to update its diesel fuel dispensers, which caused about 7% of its fuel lanes to be out of service this quarter. Nonfuel sales and gross margin were essentially flat quarter-over-quarter. Turning to HPT's hotel investments. Third quarter RevPAR increased 0.2% at our comparable 285 hotels, driven by a 4.3 percentage point decline in occupancy to 72.8%, offset by a 6.1% increase in ADR to $99.14. The third quarter was negatively impacted by 27 hotels that were being renovated and 35 hotels that went through brand and management conversions during the third quarter. Looking at the 223 comparable hotels, excluding those under renovation and those recently converted, RevPAR increased 4.1% this quarter, the result of a 1.2 percentage point decrease in average occupancy to 75.1%, offset by a 5.8% increase in the average daily rate of $102.68. As we have discussed over the past couple of quarters, renovations has a negative effect on performance primarily from the reduced occupancies due to rooms out of service. During the third quarter, we converted 15 hotels from IHG and Marriott brands and management to Sonesta brands and management, and on August 1, we converted 20 hotels from IHG brands to Wyndham brands and management. The conversion process, even when it goes…

Mark Lawrence Kleifges

Management

Thanks, John. First, let's review the third quarter operating results for our hotel properties. As John discussed, in the third quarter,,, we rebranded 35 hotels and had 27 of our hotels under renovation for all or part of the quarter. As would be expected, the disruption to operations caused by these actions had a negative impact on the financial performance of our hotels this quarter, with revenue at our 285 comparable hotels essentially unchanged versus the prior-year quarter. Revenues at our 223 hotels not under renovation or not rebranded during the quarter were up 4.2% versus the prior-year quarter. However this increase was offset by quarter-over-quarter declines in revenue of 8.8% at hotels under renovation during the quarter and 18.2% at hotels rebranded during the quarter. Our strongest performing portfolio again this quarter was our Marriott No. 1 portfolio, with a quarter-over-quarter revenue increase of 11.2%. Renovation and rebranding activities also had a negative impact on hotel profitability, with gross operating profit for our comparable hotels down $7.4 million, or about 6.5% quarter-over-quarter, and GOP margin percentage down 250 basis points to 35.2%. Excluding hotels under renovation or rebranded during the quarter, gross operating profit increased $5.7 million or 6.2%, and GOP margin percentage increased 70 basis points to 40.8% at our comparable hotels. Despite the negative impact renovation and rebranding efforts had on our hotel-level operating results this quarter, the impact on HPT's consolidated financial results was minimized, to a large extent, by the guarantee and security deposit features of our hotel operating agreements. During the 2012 third quarter, HPT recognized minimum returns in rents from its hotel operating agreements of $87.2 million, representing only a $3.4 million or a 3.8% decline from the 2011 quarter. Turning to coverage of our minimum returns and rents for the 2012 third…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from the line of Ryan Meliker from MLV & Co. Ryan Meliker - McNicoll, Lewis & Vlak LLC, Research Division: I had a couple other questions that I was hoping you guys could answer for us. Last quarter on the call, you mentioned that your property managers were -- had gotten a little bit more conservative with regards to the RevPAR outlooks, down from plus 5% to plus 4% for 2012. Can you give us an update on where they stand right now?

John G. Murray

Management

Sure. I think it's fair to say that our operators are more cautious about the guidance now than they were during our last call. The flip side of that is that we've renovated substantially more properties, and this we're seeing more improvement so we expect -- well, they're expecting that, in the fourth quarter, we'll see sort of overall, if you averaged our portfolios, probably a couple of percent RevPAR growth. But the portions of the IHG and Marriott No. 1 and Marriott No. 234 portfolios that have been renovated are expecting 5%, 6%, 7% or more percent RevPAR growth in the fourth quarter, and the properties that haven't been renovated and the properties that have just been recently converted or are under renovation are going to weigh against that and be flat, and in some cases down for renovations or conversions. So overall we're going to see -- we're expecting to see slightly improved RevPAR performance in the fourth quarter, from this quarter to last quarter. But on average, it's not going to -- it's still not going to be a wow RevPAR number because of the renovations and conversions. And I think as we go on into 2013, the very early looks that we're seeing from preliminary budgets -- and I haven't seen Wyndham's or Sonesta's yet, but we're expecting RevPAR growth in the 5%, 6%, 7% area. Ryan Meliker - McNicoll, Lewis & Vlak LLC, Research Division: Okay, that's helpful. And then just if you can refresh our memory. I was hoping you'd give us some color on the Sonesta agreement and what security you have, if anything there? It looks like on a trailing 12-month basis, the Sonesta No. 1 is only at 0.63x coverage and I would imagine that, over the course of the next year or 2, as the property is undergoing renovation, that's probably only getting worse, not better. Can you give us some color on what you might be expecting in terms of coverage from those properties and how the cash flows might look coming out of those properties, from what you'll see after any security that you do have from Sonesta?

John G. Murray

Management

There's a lot in that question. I guess I'll start with -- the first part was about security. The management agreement that we have with Sonesta is very much industry-like. It's not like the typical HPT contracts that have credit support. We decided on this portfolio, which is a smaller component of our overall portfolio, that we would structure this more like the rest of the industry where we don't have credit support but when results improve, we have a much greater participation in the upside. So this portion of our portfolio is a little bit more leveraged to the cycle. Ryan Meliker - McNicoll, Lewis & Vlak LLC, Research Division: With that being said, during the renovations, you would expect -- is it safe to assume that cash flows that HPT will actually see from Sonesta are going to go down? But then once the renovations are completed, you obviously get to participate in the upside?

John G. Murray

Management

Yes, I think I mentioned that in the script even, that we expect that we're starting to see some recovery from the immediate sort of negatives of the transition, and that will continue next quarter and the following quarter. But they'll -- as they start to improve, we'll also be beginning the renovations, and then that will sort of put the recovery on hold, if you will. I think you shouldn't really expect that these hotels, that are in the Sonesta pool, will be performing at -- with strong coverage until after they've completed their renovations. But we do expect that they'll be covering their returns following the renovation period, which will be in 2013 and 2014, depending on the hotels, with the extended-stay hotels being renovated, for the most part -- this is generality, but for the most part, the extended-stay hotels will be done sooner than the full-service hotels. Ryan Meliker - McNicoll, Lewis & Vlak LLC, Research Division: Okay, that's helpful. And then one last question and then I'll yield the floor. But can you give us some color -- I mean, obviously Sonesta and Wyndham had occupancy down pretty materially in the quarter. You addressed that with -- largely just driven by the changing of the brands and the implications that, that has on the ability to sell rooms. But how many properties in those 2 portfolios were actually under renovation in that $6 million for Wyndham and $7 million for Sonesta. Just wondering how much of an impact renovation had versus just the rebrandings?

John G. Murray

Management

It's mostly rebranding. The funds that we've expended for the most part in both portfolios have been associated with purchases of materials for model rooms and for some initial fundings for designers, and so it was mostly non-hotel-impacting planning dollars, for the most part. Ryan Meliker - McNicoll, Lewis & Vlak LLC, Research Division: Okay. That being said, does that surprise you that the occupancies dropped as much as they did in the quarter? Or was that kind of in line with your expectations?

John G. Murray

Management

It didn't surprise us. I wouldn't tell you that we had a hard and fast number that was going to be the line in the sand between surprise and non-surprise. But we did expect that when the IHG and Marriott flags came off of the hotels that were rebranded and the Wyndham and Sonesta flags went on, that there would be a decline for a lot of the reasons that we stated. And also there was turnover. I didn't mention it in the script but one of the other factors is, if you have long-term employees that have been working with Marriott or IHG for 15, 20 years, not all of them want to change employer at that point in their careers. And so there was some turnover that also had some impact on -- because that was particularly in the management ranks and sales ranks that, that occurred. And so that also has a negative impact and creates a little bit more of an uphill battle post-transition. So I would describe all of this as in the expected range.

Operator

Operator

And we do have a question from the line of David Loeb with Baird. David Loeb - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: I'd like to just follow up a little bit on Ryan's, not to beat a dead horse but I guess the disruption in terms of EBITDA dollars was more this quarter than we expected. I wonder if you could give us some kind of estimate on disruption at Sonesta, at the other portfolios that are seeing a lot of renovations? And particularly, I guess that's relevant to Marriott No. 234 because the guarantee is limited to 90%. But can you give us some idea about fourth quarter, first quarter, second quarter how much more disruption you expect to hit your bottom line?

John G. Murray

Management

We don't give that level of detailed guidance. I think we can guide you towards the fact that the level of impact that you saw during the third quarter, I think -- I mean, it was a shortened period. A lot of the conversions took place just during August, so it was 2 out of the 3 months where the most impact occurred. In the fourth quarter, it would be -- it's a typically weak quarter but it'll be -- the impact will be felt for the full quarter. And so I expect that, probably, that the impact will be similar in the fourth quarter as it was this quarter.

Mark Lawrence Kleifges

Management

And David, I guess with respect to -- this is Mark, with respect to our credit support, keep in mind that for Marriott, we haven't utilized any of the guarantee through the first 9 months of this year, so we feel very confident that, that credit support will get us through this renovation easily. With IHG, there will be less hotels under renovation next year, so I would hope that coverage will improve. I don't think we'll get back to 1.0 because of the renovation activity, but if you kind of look at burn rates on that security deposit, we feel pretty good that we're going to also get through this renovation program under -- for IHG, with security deposit left at the end of the program. David Loeb - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Right. That part I totally get. And it's just a matter of whether you're into that, whether you're below 1.0 on 2, 3, 4 or -- and above 0.9 that you actually have the dollar impact near-term that's being run out of that. That's my understanding of that. Am I seeing that correct?

Mark Lawrence Kleifges

Management

Yes, that's correct. David Loeb - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Good. And then finally on Hotel 71, congrats on closing that, by the way. Obviously no surprise to most people since it was widely reported. Am I correct in seeing that, that just is an add-on to the Wyndham portfolio and all of the credit support that goes with the Wyndham portfolio goes -- applies to this one on the same terms?

John G. Murray

Management

That's pretty much the case. We've -- in connection with the acquisition, this Hotel 71 is being added to the portfolio of 20 hotels that we already had. The cap on the guarantee is being increased by about a year's minimum return related to that Hotel 71. There's also a component of the hotel that's going to be leased to Wyndham Vacation for rental purposes and there's -- so there's 5 floors of the hotel will be leased to Wyndham Vacation Rentals, I think is the name of the entity within Wyndham, and that's a recourse lease. The lease starts out at a minimum -- at $1 million annually and has annual bumps.

Operator

Operator

And we do have a question from the line of Wes Golladay from RBC Capital Markets.

Wes Golladay - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

What are you seeing in the pipeline at the moment? Is it more full service or select service? And what type of initial coverage of your minimum rent are you looking for?

John G. Murray

Management

We have a pretty active pipeline and it includes both select-service assets and full-service assets. I'd say it's about equally weighted. And pretty much everything that we're looking at, right now, is being marketed to the greater investment community. And so I think we're underwriting our deals so that we don't enter into any deals that are underwater, but we're not underwriting 1 3 or 1 5 coverage. We're coming out expecting to have coverage but small coverage in the first year and growing over time. Whatever it takes to be competitive if you want a base yield in the 8% range.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] You have a question from the line of Jeff Donnelly with Wells Fargo.

Jeffrey J. Donnelly - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

John, Mark, I apologize if this is repetitive, but I missed some of your opening remarks. In the quarter, you guys increased the dividend but if memory serves me correctly, in the last conference call, I think you guys indicated that the dividend increase wouldn't be likely until after the renovations are competed. I'm just curious what led to this shift in the board's thinking over the course of the quarter?

John G. Murray

Management

There are a lot of factors that went into it. Mark will probably share some of his thoughts on it, too. But we get a lot of calls and questions from investors about the timing of dividend increases. We've been employing various tax strategies over the last couple of years to enable us to keep as much free cash flow as possible to help fund the renovations in our portfolio. And -- but as we were continuing to see improvement post-renovations at the hotels and starting to make acquisitions, we thought it was time to send a message to the shareholders that we are thinking of them and thinking about our improving cash flows, and so that's why we made the increase when we did.

Mark Lawrence Kleifges

Management

Yes, I think that covers most of the points. I mean, we haven't had a dividend increase since we reinstated the dividend in January 2010. I think the board just felt, given the cash flow that we're generating in our business, that it made sense to share some of that with our shareholders through an increased dividend. We'll generate this year, before CapEx funding, in the neighborhood of $110 million or so of free cash flow. The dividend increase amounts to about $10 million a year, so we'll still have significant cash flow available to fund part of our capital commitments going forward.

Jeffrey J. Donnelly - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And just a different question. I'm curious, maybe John, what's your perspective on the state of the industry as it relates to RevPAR in future years? I'm not angling so much for guidance as it relates to HPT, just maybe more of what your sort of macro view is on where you think RevPAR begins to sort out as we roll through 2013 and '14? And I guess maybe what I'm asking, if you think that the pace of RevPAR gain is going to be decelerating in the next few years?

John G. Murray

Management

I think the hotels that have gone through recent renovations are going to see it accelerate but, apart from that -- I've said to people, I don't know if I've said it on the calls, but I've said over the course of this year that it seems like there's been a sort of tale of 2 cities if you look at -- if we locked ourselves in an office here and just looked at our TA and hotel performance across the industry and didn't watch TV or read the newspaper, we would think the economy was doing a lot better than it seems to be. And so I don't know if that can continue for that much longer, where investors are punishing companies that have less than 5% or 6% RevPAR growth when that's 2x what industry average has been over the longer term. I think that we've seen some fairly robust improvement in RevPAR over the past couple of years. And I expect that it's going to continue. The supply growth has been very muted, and I think that, that is going to continue for at least another year. But if the pace of economic growth in the U.S. economy picks up and the improvement in RevPAR continues, it's just a matter of time before supply growth starts coming back. Right now, it's limited to a few markets, like New York, but it will be more widely dispersed if RevPAR continues to grow at -- in the 5% to 10% range for a longer period. I expect that next year's RevPAR growth would be pretty good. I think that it's not going to take off like a rocket ship after that. I think it's going to be -- it's going to gradually trend back towards the longer-term average for a couple of years, and then it just depends on what your view is on the economic cycle, whether -- how long that continues. But I think for the next few years things will be pretty good in the hotel industry.

Jeffrey J. Donnelly - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

When you guys talk to the board then about the renovation activity and sort of, you're doing more work with Sonesta, I guess, does it ever kind of come up though, in board discussions that -- about maybe getting caught in a situation that you're just going to have a lot of balls in the air as it relates to that type of, I'll call it, disruptive work, when we might potentially be late in the cycle? I mean, is that a concern for folks there? Or is it -- or do they kind of think that they will get that work done and kind of squeaked in before things really turn over?

John G. Murray

Management

I think, generally speaking, you'd rather have balls in the air than be sitting around doing nothing. So our board looks at a lot of different statistics from inside the hotel industry and the trucking industry, which is a pretty good measure of commerce in the U.S. And we have, as Mark mentioned a few minutes ago, we have a pretty conservative amount of free cash flow and a pretty conservative leverage level. And I think all of those factors together gives our board comfort that now is the time to be reinvesting in the properties, to make sure that we're as best positioned as we can be, whether the cycle continues or whether the cycle changes. And we're trying to do it as quickly as possible so that, as we get closer to a potential cycle change, we still have balls in the air but there's less of them.

Operator

Operator

We do have a follow-up question from the line of Ryan Meliker from MLV & Co. Ryan Meliker - McNicoll, Lewis & Vlak LLC, Research Division: Just one more quick question. I guess in 2012, it looks like most of your CapEx dollars were in 1Q, and it sounds like they're going to be in 4Q based on what you just gave color on earlier in the call. Should we expect something similar to that in 2013, where you'll focus your CapEx in 1Q and 4Q?

John G. Murray

Management

Yes, that's the plan. The best quarters for our properties have always been in the second and third quarters, so to the extent we can avoid having properties under renovation during those windows, we will. I mean, there's obviously some exceptions to that. When it's 120 degrees in the shade in Phoenix, it's an excellent time to be renovating there, because you don't have as many people seeking out the warmer weather as they do in the winter months. So we'll be renovating some hotels in Texas and Arizona and places like that in -- maybe in the second and third quarters, but mostly first and fourth. Ryan Meliker - McNicoll, Lewis & Vlak LLC, Research Division: Great, that's helpful. And then with regards to the Chicago acquisition of Hotel 71. I know you guys historically haven't done a lot with property-level mortgages. Are you considering putting a property-level mortgage on that property?

John G. Murray

Management

No, no. We borrowed, I think, in the neighborhood of $60 million under our revolving credit facility.

Mark Lawrence Kleifges

Management

$65 million.

John G. Murray

Management

$65 million. But no, we don't have any intention of putting a secured debt on that.

Operator

Operator

And now we'll turn the conference back to Mr. Murray for closing remarks. Please go ahead, sir.

John G. Murray

Management

Thank you all for joining us today. We will be at NAREIT next week if any of you would like to meet with us there. Otherwise, I hope you all get out and vote today. It's an important election. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude your conference for today. Thank you for your participation and for using the AT&T Executive Teleconference service. You may now disconnect.