Joe Kim
Analyst · JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question
Sure Andy, let me - in my prepared remarks, I talked about this is the show me story, and also I mentioned that we believe we had some attractive opportunities in near future. And as we actually complete these I think we can provide a lot more depth into how this works. Some of the data points I think that are public that you can use is first of all, if you look at over the last three years and look at publicly disclosed M&A activities, quite frankly there is not many out there, but whatever - what is out there you will see that depending on what kind of sources you use, they are averaging somewhere around the 6, 6.5 type of multiple on public information. So that might be a good starting point. And looking back at our past history and some visibility into what we are looking at right now, I think it's very supportive of what I said to you before that these the fuel distribution sectors trade sometimes somewhere around that mid-single digit type of numbers. As far as a couple of other statements that we have made is that we think that the industry is fragmented and there's numerous opportunities, and we have an executable run way, just to kind of some prospect upon that. The number of distributors in the U.S., we're talking thousands of distributors. The bulk of these are very, very small. Then you talk about who are some of the bigger distributors out there. Sigma is a fuel distribution trade organization. They've roughly about 250 members. The average volume of these guides are above 140 million gallons and some of these guys own a terminal or two, along with that. So, whenever, I mentioned the word numerous and fragmented, you take all of these thousands of smaller ones and say some of the bigger of the distributors out there. We think that these are the type of targets out there that we can roll up at very reasonable multiples. And as far as on the synergy side, they come kind of in two ways, one is from a commercial synergy standpoint, we're one of the biggest out there and scale is vital in this business and we will bring our buying power and our brand to get a margin uplift. And secondly, when did this transformation from a retail centric to a fuel distribution and logistics company, we gave a guidance of 140 million in G&A on a going forward basis. Obviously that's significantly less than what we are running before, at the same time, we didn't do this change in order to stop there. We did this change within our mind. We want to grow going forward. So our $140 million of overhead has room in there for us to grow on a going forward basis, and to obtain the more the SG&A synergies.