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Sun Communities, Inc. (SUI)

Q1 2013 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 25, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Sun Communities First Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call on the 25th of April 2013. At this time, management would like me to inform you that certain statements made during this conference call, which are not historical facts may be deemed forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although the company believes the expectations reflected in any forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, the company can provide no assurance that its expectations will be achieved. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are detailed in the morning's press release form, and from time-to-time, in the company's periodic filings with the SEC. The company undertakes no obligation to advise or update any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this release. Having said that, I'd like to introduce management with us today. Gary Shiffman, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Karen Dearing, Chief Financial Officer; and Jeff Jorissen, Director of Corporate Development. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Gary Shiffman. Please go ahead, sir.

Gary A. Shiffman

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Thank you, operator, and good morning. Today, we reported funds from operations of $31.7 million or $0.93 per share for the first quarter of 2013 compared to $25.9 million or $0.90 per share for the quarter of -- first quarter of 2012. These results exclude acquisition-related costs incurred in each of the referenced quarters. Revenues increased to $103.4 million in the first quarter of 2013 compared to $83.1 million in the first quarter of 2012. As we have been and are in a period of significant and rapid growth as well as change of the company, we thought it would be helpful and evident by reviewing the following measures, comparing current data with the end of 2010. Number of communities has increased by 48 or 35% to 184. We are now in 25 states compared to 17 and a large portion of this growth represents recreational vehicle communities, which supported a rebranding of Sun RV Resorts, which is our commitment to excellence in service and vacation experience for our guests. The number of home sites have increased by nearly 20,000 or 42%, and this is roughly equal to adding a small city of 50,000 residents. The equity market capitalization has nearly tripled to about $2 billion and both EBITDA and real property operations NOI will reflect growth in excess of 50% from 2010. While that growth has been assimilated, it's important to note the momentum of positive earning measures and the metrics has continued and continues to set new thresholds of performance. Turning to year-over-year first quarter comparative data, revenue-producing sites for first quarter increased by 621, which is more than twice the rate of the first quarter of 2012. Occupancy improvements occurred in all of our markets, including Indiana, which experienced the best quarter for occupancy improvements in many…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Jeff Lau with Sidoti & Company. Jeffrey Lau - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Looks like a pretty solid quarter. My only question was regarding the dividend and if there's any insight on, I guess, the possibility of giving that a little bit of an increase.

Gary A. Shiffman

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Yes, I think we share with everyone when asked that it certainly is something the board reviews on a continual basis. In, I think, our last call, I did share the fact that with the recent capital improvement to our balance sheet, the equity raises and the preferred that the board intends to look towards a policy of a dividend increase, perhaps later in this year, provided that the dividend -- the payout ratio reaches the achieved levels that are anticipated. Jeffrey Lau - Sidoti & Company, LLC: What is that? Is there a target there?

Gary A. Shiffman

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

There is a target there. It is a target that we share with the marketplace, that's below 80%.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from the line of Jana Galan with Bank of America.

Jane Wong

Analyst · Jana Galan with Bank of America

This is Jane from Bank of America on behalf of Jana. We're just curious with the subsequent RV acquisition in April, why guidance wasn't adjusted for that. Or is the impact not expected to be that large of the year?

Karen J. Dearing

Analyst · Jana Galan with Bank of America

Yes, Jane, that acquisition which we did a week ago, it was very small acquisition, and it had -- it would have very little impact on Q2 and it fits within the range of guidance for the year.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Ryan Burke with Green Street Advisors.

Ryan Burke

Analyst · Ryan Burke with Green Street Advisors

Hoping you can provide a little bit of color on the loan funding agreement that was announced with Talmer Bank. In particular, any key differences from the other means that buyers have to obtain financing and also the type of progress that you've seen since its inception.

Karen J. Dearing

Analyst · Ryan Burke with Green Street Advisors

The Talmer financing -- could you repeat your first question again?

Ryan Burke

Analyst · Ryan Burke with Green Street Advisors

Yes, just in particular if there are any key differences from the other means that buyers of your communities have to obtain financing, any benefits to Sun?

Karen J. Dearing

Analyst · Ryan Burke with Green Street Advisors

Okay. I'm sorry, Ryan. There aren't any key differences in that agreement. It was a $10 million agreement for properties located in Michigan and it -- there has been no lending on that agreement at this time.

Ryan Burke

Analyst · Ryan Burke with Green Street Advisors

Okay. So the capacity of that agreement is actually $10 million, and there's no plans to expand that?

Karen J. Dearing

Analyst · Ryan Burke with Green Street Advisors

Yes. Correct.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Josh Patinkin with BMO Capital Markets.

Paul E. Adornato - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst · Josh Patinkin with BMO Capital Markets

This is Paul Adornato, here with Josh. Gary, sorry if I missed this, but did you say what is driving the improvement in the Indiana portfolio?

Gary A. Shiffman

Analyst · Josh Patinkin with BMO Capital Markets

Well, I think that it's an area in the Midwest that has lagged a little bit in recovery and as we are watching Ford Motor Company and others post continued record-breaking North American profitability, I think that we are seeing a very nice and healthy recovery in the Midwest. And I think it's trickling down to parts that have been slower to recover such as Indiana. I think that's been bolstered by a new product that we've developed. It is a home that has some proprietary structural changes without giving up any of the features that exist in the normal homes that we acquire. And it allows us to pass down a 5% to 7% price point that has been very -- reduced price point to the purchaser, and it's been very well received. And we tried it selectively in a handful of communities, and we will be rolling it out in a much bigger way throughout Indiana. So we think while we've seen the rest of the portfolio first in Colorado and then in Texas, recover followed by a strong recovery that we've had in Michigan over the last 12 months, Indiana has lagged behind. And for the first time, we're seeing increased demand and expect to be able to start making some progress filling the 2,000 vacant sites that exist out there.

Paul E. Adornato - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst · Josh Patinkin with BMO Capital Markets

Okay. And just wanted -- if you could provide a little bit more color on one line that came out of the press release, and that was, I think you referred to improving the bottom line in 2013 and 2014. Is that referring to the integration of the new properties?

Gary A. Shiffman

Analyst · Josh Patinkin with BMO Capital Markets

Yes. I think there's a lot of repositioning that takes place, a lot of capital investment that's going into some of the communities, the rollout of the new Sun RV platform, the ability to market now from north to south. All that integration will take place over the next 12 to 18 months. And I think, what it will do is enhance the existing opportunities that we have in the new acquisitions and some of the existing properties we own.

Paul E. Adornato - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst · Josh Patinkin with BMO Capital Markets

Okay. And with respect to the CapEx spend, has all of that been accounted for with respect to the acquisition cost?

Karen J. Dearing

Analyst · Josh Patinkin with BMO Capital Markets

Yes, Paul. When we do our acquisitions, we evaluate the properties for bringing the communities up to our standards, and the CapEx is included in our evaluation of the properties.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Mike Beall with Davenport. Michael Sunderland Beall - Davenport & Company, LLC, Research Division: Two quick questions. The occupancy trend is nice, it's up to 88%. Can you remind us what our highest occupancy company-wide level has ever been? Or is there a kind of a practical limit to what that number ends up being?

Gary A. Shiffman

Analyst · Mike Beall with Davenport

I think, Mike, historically, that range has been in the 94% to 96% occupancy. At around 96%, we consider the communities basically full because there's always a bit of turnover. And at 96%, we generally believe we can accomplish stronger increases in rental and revenue growth by nature of balancing the demand to the ideal occupancy. Michael Sunderland Beall - Davenport & Company, LLC, Research Division: I guess that leads me to my next question. If I figured it right, your same-store rental increase was, year-over-year, about 2.8%. Is that increase benefiting -- and I know it would've been there at least a year but from some of the properties you've acquired, say, in the last 2, 2.5 years or is that fairly indicative of across-the-board, what we're averaging?

Karen J. Dearing

Analyst · Mike Beall with Davenport

I think our guidance, Mike, for same-site is 3% -- actually, no, guidance overall for the whole portfolio is about a 3% increase. So most of the properties that went into same-site, the majority of them were the Kentland portfolio that was in Michigan. So I think that would be a fairly typical increase of around 3%. Michael Sunderland Beall - Davenport & Company, LLC, Research Division: And is there any concern -- I mean, apartment buildings are being built in a lot of places at a pace we haven't seen in a while. Any thought that, that is getting to be a more competitive factor than in recent years?

Gary A. Shiffman

Analyst · Mike Beall with Davenport

We don't believe so. I think we've really created a model that generally shows that we are able to deliver about 50% more space on a square foot basis at about 40% of the -- at 40% reduced cost as compared to multifamily. If I remember, the national figure was about $0.92 per square foot on average monthly for multifamily, and I think, was it in the 50s when we did our calculation for our portfolio? We can get you that exact data, but I think it was somewhere between $0.56 and $0.58 per square foot, and the average on the square foot was 900 square foot to multifamily, as compared to just under 1,400 square feet in our communities. So... Michael Sunderland Beall - Davenport & Company, LLC, Research Division: I guess we're looking at this half full. Given the big increases we've seen in apartment rents, that spread, that value proposition, I assume, has actually gotten better in the last couple of years. Would that be true?

Gary A. Shiffman

Analyst · Mike Beall with Davenport

I think it has. It certainly has against sites built, but I think coming off of occupancies that were in the low 80s, we believe that won't be that far out in the future that we will be in the 90% occupancies. And we would expect as we approach that 94% level, if you will, that we should be getting stronger revenue increases on a same-site basis.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the Sun Communities First Quarter 2013 Conference Call. You may now disconnect. Thank you for using ACT Conferencing.