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Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Wed, May 6, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Suncor Energy First Quarter 2020 Financial Results Call. All lines are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Trevor Bell, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Trevor Bell

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and good morning. Welcome to Suncor's first quarter earnings call. With me this morning are Mark Little, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Alister Cowan, Chief Financial Officer. Please note that today's comments contain forward-looking information. The actual results may differ materially from the expected results because of various risk factors and assumptions that are described in our first quarter earnings release as well as our current annual information form. Both of these are available on SEDAR, EDGAR, and our website, suncor.com. Certain financial measures referred to in these comments are not prescribed by Canadian GAAP. For a description of these financial measures please see our first quarter earnings release. Following remarks, we'll open up the call to questions. Now, I'll hand it over to Mark for his comments.

Mark Little

Analyst

Good morning everyone and thanks for joining us today. At Suncor, our purpose is to provide trusted energy that enhances people's lives while carrying for each other and the earth. As we navigate these challenging times, our purpose continually reminds us that we have a critical role to play by providing energy to our customers, while supporting the health and wellness of our employees, our customers, and the community. Safety is at the core of Suncor's values. And we've moved quickly to respond to the COVID-19 pandemic to ensure the health and safety of our workforce in all our global locations. Our experience with the Calgary floods in 2013 and the Fort McMurray forest fires in 2016 has allowed us to proactively initiate our business continuity plans and effectively respond to this evolving circumstances related to COVID-19 despite the pandemic being very different than what we have faced before. Steps that we have taken include reducing staff at all our sites and offices to only essential personnel; implementing health surveys and temperature testing at all our facilities, as well as at airports for individuals flying into our northern facilities; adapting to longer shift rotations to reduce travel exposure and modify busing and flight logistics to maintain proper distance. Closing common areas in all our oil sands camps along with providing full-service meals and deep cleaning of facilities. Implementing several on the job protocols such as physical distancing and elevated hygiene practices. Adding health protective measures for our employees and customers at our 1,800 petro Canada locations. And finally, we've been talking with our employees about mental health and we have professional support available for all our employees and their families. These steps have been very successful in keeping our employees safe and we continue to adapt our response as the…

Alister Cowan

Analyst

Thanks, Mark. As you know we have long maintained a disciplined financial strategy that's based on a strong balance sheet, committed access to liquidity and capital and strong investment-grade credit ratings. We finished the first quarter with $8.1 billion of liquidity. And since the close of the first quarter we have raised an additional $1.25 billion through the issuance of 10-year medium term notes, and secured an additional $300 million in our bank facilities. This totals $9.6 billion of current liquidity and we do expect to draw on a portion of this liquidity during the remainder of 2020 given our expectations of lower crude oil prices. We have the support of our key banking partners in the capital markets. And, therefore, we don't expect to be challenged by any significant liquidity, and that will allow us to weather any protracted recovery in the crude oil market. Out of an abundance of caution, the actions we have taken plus our amount of liquidity is in effect our insurance against it. In the first quarter our funds flow from operations was $1 billion, largely impacted by a very significant FIFO loss of $446 million that we recognized as a result of the declining commodity prices towards the latter half of the first quarter. This rapid and significant decrease in commodity prices also factored into the balance sheet carrying value of our inventory and our operating assets. As a result, we wrote down our crude and refined product inventory to market value with a charge of $397 million after tax and that will be reflected in our Q2 funds from operations. The Fort Hills, Terra Nova and White Rose operating assets are being impaired by a further non-cash charge of $1.8 billion after tax and that's primarily as a result of the lower…

Mark Little

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Alister. Our updated downstream guidance reflects our view of the significant demand reduction related to COVID-19 pandemic. In the markets we supply, average demand for gasoline is down 50%; jet fuel demand is down 70%; and distillate demand is down 20% versus Q1. In response to this demand reduction we have taken the following actions. We've reduced our refinery utilizations in Q2 to approximately 65% to 75% of nameplate capacity. We've increased the relative diesel mix by 10%. We've leveraged the flexibility provided by our integrated model and midstream logistics assets, which generated over $225 million after-tax of additional value in the first quarter. And we maximized our upstream production into the refineries as feedstock. Although we do not guide quarterly production or financial estimates, we did want to provide clarity in this dynamic environment as to how we see our business in the near term. In my opening remarks, I stated the second quarter will be challenging given our business has been both impacted on the demand and supply sides. We are estimating refinery throughput to be approximately 25% to 35% below nameplate to align with current product demand. We anticipate our total upstream production volumes will be down by approximately 10% below the bottom of our production guidance range, given upstream production will need to align with downstream utilizations. We are maintaining our full year upstream guidance for 2020, as we expect to be able to perform some critical maintenance in the quarter, while respecting COVID-19 health orders and protecting the safety of our personnel. We expect consumer demand for refined products to be at its weakest in the second quarter. However, we are already beginning to see some strengthening in demand. We anticipate consumer demand to steadily strengthen in the second half of 2020 as…

Trevor Bell

Analyst

Thank you, Mark and Alister. I'll turn the call back to our operator to take questions first from the analyst community, then if time permits from the media.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Phil Gresh with JPMorgan.

Phil Gresh

Analyst

Hey good morning. A – Mark Little: Good morning, Phil

Phil Gresh

Analyst

My first question obviously with the decision on the dividend I guess it would be for Alister. How do you think about where this positions you on the balance sheet for the rest of the year? And as we move kind of through the trough of this situation, do you have an absolute level of debt that you would want to target coming out of this in terms of the debt that accumulates to the down cycle and where you like to be on a more normalized basis longer term?

Alister Cowan

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Phil. Good question. If you look at where we're positioned the sales, we're looking to the longer-term to be cash breakeven at $35 WTI. Clearly we're not going to be there this year. And so we would expect to be adding some more debt onto the balance sheet towards the end of the year. I think if you look at the numbers at about $20 billion of gross debt. Today we'd expect to add $2 million $3 billion more by the end of the year. And really that is kind of where we think we'll cap out into next year on the expectation that we'll break even on a cash flow basis for 2021.

Phil Gresh

Analyst

And then at that point is the idea that you would want to reduce the debt from there, or are you comfortable at that absolute level?

Alister Cowan

Analyst

No. It's a good follow up. Yes we would expect to start to pay down the debt as we recover from that. But it will be in conjunction obviously with a major pace of increasing economic investments and also increasing returns to shareholders.

Phil Gresh

Analyst

Okay. My follow up is I guess is just a little bit of a macro question. How do you guys view the situation with WCS? Obviously, you've talked about crude oversupply for the rest of the year. But with the OPEC cuts and as refineries in the U.S. start to increase run rates in the back half if your demand outlook that you're talking about is correct would you expect to see fairly tight WCS supply demand dynamics when we get to that point? Thanks.

Mark Little

Analyst

Yes. Maybe Phil on that particular point with inventory, crude oil inventory is so high. It's a little hard to tell what's going on. And part of the issue with it is we expect that it will take literally till the end of the year to be able to get demand and the economies restarted. It might extend further. So really the balance between WCS and the heavy barrel in Canada, relative to the market just depends on whether at any point in time it's being oversupplied or undersupplied, as it moves up. And I think what you'll see is quite a bit of volatility in that returning to normal once the market stabilizes. We have a long ways to go to get back to where we were at the start of the first quarter.

Phil Gresh

Analyst

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Greg Pardy with RBC Capital.

Greg Pardy

Analyst · RBC Capital.

Thanks. Thanks, good morning. I wanted to check some back of the envelope math with you. So just on thinking about 2020, 2021 [Muhammad] [ph] was helpful enough to suggest but I think in that $35 TI breakeven, I think there's a $12 New York harbor embedded in that. But would that kind of map to call it somewhere between $2 million and $2.5 billion in the downstream all in?

Alister Cowan

Analyst · RBC Capital.

Yes. Greg I think that's close to where we'll be. I'd have to go back to the spreadsheets but I don't have in front of me but we're probably close to that.

Greg Pardy

Analyst · RBC Capital.

Okay. All right. And second question is I'm sure as you've gone back and reexamine supply chains and everything else, can you comment maybe on how much downside there might be in terms of go-forward sustaining capital? Is there a deflationary opportunity there, or do you think it will be relatively stable from what it's been? A – Mark Little: I think there's opportunities there Greg. I think part of this for us is one of the things we're trying to do is, we've taken focus on taking $1 billion out of our cost structure versus what we spent last year or approximately 10% of our total costs. And we continue to look at structural changes to the business going forward. So we've talked about some of the items like the autonomous haul trucks, the interconnecting pipeline and also putting in our enterprise-wide processes. So what you're seeing in our guidance is reflecting the immediate effect of our actions. But there's absolutely no question. We continue to drive down the overall cost structure of the business and continue to progress those initiatives. Supply chain is one of those areas that we will continue to focus on. We've made some great progress in the near term, although of many of the suppliers in the supply chain have been deeply challenged for quite some period of time. So it's hard to know just where that ends up.

Greg Pardy

Analyst · RBC Capital.

Okay, great. And last quick one for me is just on the dividend. We've had some questions coming in. Should we be thinking about this as a permanent or temporary you mentioned, a willingness to return capital to shareholders with time. If the world begins to normalize in 2021 2022, is it realistic to believe then that the dividend is going to grow from where it is now? A – Mark Little: Well where we're at Greg on this is we are committed to shareholder returns and dividend and stock buybacks are an important part of that commitment obviously. And we've used both significantly. So as we reduce our operating costs and capital expenditures to maintain the balance sheet and such we also decided that the dividend was an important point through this period of time. So we are committed to increasing our shareholder returns as we go forward, and that would both be in the dividend and continuing to grow that as we have in the past as well as leveraging share buybacks to return capital to shareholders.

Greg Pardy

Analyst · RBC Capital.

Okay. Terrific. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Asit Sen with Bank of America.

Asit Sen

Analyst · Bank of America.

Thanks. Good morning. I have a quick one for Mark and then one for Alister. Mark on you mentioned benefits from midstream logistics. I think you quantified a $200 million number benefit in Q1. Did I hear that right? And could you provide a little more color on that? I know Suncor has substantial storage and rail footprint, but any thoughts on future benefits?

Alister Cowan

Analyst · Bank of America.

Yes. I'll take that Asit. Yes, well I can confirm it $230 million after-tax benefit from our marketing and logistics business. And frankly, that's what you'd expect to see in a volatile pricing market where there are stresses on the physical movement of oil. That is what we expect from our team and the marketing group and the logistics, the pipeline access and the storage access that we have across North America. So my expectation is during this period of volatile times, you're going to see that continue. It's the added value that we give through our integrated model.

Mark Little

Analyst · Bank of America.

And Alister maybe I'd just add to that is like I've been very impressed with how that team has performed and the capability that they've had to not only understand the market, but to protect us against some of the risks that have shown up in the market that I think have been very challenging for others as well as capture opportunities. I think you will see the significance of that as we go through this event in the -- certainly in Q2 and the quarters ahead.

Asit Sen

Analyst · Bank of America.

Great. And just on the dividend level -- and the new dividend level I would say what we was some of the broad macro assumptions that you're making over the medium-term particularly when you're looking at the framework and you gave a nice breakeven framework, is that the new framework, or is it something to do with the percent of normalized cash flow? How are you thinking about the level? I know you talked about additional return to shareholder but what's a normalized dividend output level?

Mark Little

Analyst · Bank of America.

Well, if you go back to the way we've talked about this in our capital allocation framework now for many, many years. We essentially picked $45 WTI, because if you go back over the last decade or two you start to -- we viewed that there was essentially a floor there that naturally mitigated the decline in prices beyond that for any significant period of time. So as a result of that, we structured our dividends and our capital allocation and the cash generation to breakeven at WTI $45. Clearly, we did not foresee this pandemic and the implications of that on the company. And I think the view is, it's okay. Well maybe we didn't foresee it and forecast that into how we originally said it. We've just now reset it to align with this environment this unforeseen environment. So I think agility and being proactive is super important to us going forward, but I think maybe even more importantly than that, our commitment to shareholder returns, the strategy of the company and our journey on ESG is unwavering and is not impacted at all by this action that we've had to take.

Asit Sen

Analyst · Bank of America.

Appreciate the color, Mark. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Neil Mehta with Goldman Sachs.

Neil Mehta

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Thanks guys for the time this morning. Mark maybe the first question is on the absolute level of the dividend and the magnitude of reduction. Can you take us into the boardroom as you're having these discussions between the March 23 announcement? And then ultimately, when you elected to reduce the dividend. What were some of the discussion points that you guys were getting your head around in terms of setting the dividend level? Why do you elect to take it down by 55% versus a higher or lower number? And what were the pros and cons that you're debating. I think helping us understand the thinking will help us evaluate this decision a little bit better.

Mark Little

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay. Neil thanks. I would say, there's a couple of factors that fit into that. First of all, a lot of it was a discussion about at what levels we needed to get to so that we can stabilize the cash position of the company, and as we look out to 2021, as Alister mentioned, we believe that we will not continue to draw on debt as we go into 2021, because we believe that there's a reasonable chance that we will see WTI $35 on average for the year. But as he mentioned, we don't expect that to happen in 2020 and we continue to lean on the balance sheet in the very lows of this environment. And then I think maybe the second piece to your question is, why now? And one of the things that we got into, and I would say this has been debated for some period of time, but there's absolutely no question that the second quarter will be far more challenging than the first quarter both in the upstream and downstream sides of the business. And so, as we see improving market conditions and such yes, that's happening, but it's from the low of the low. And so we're expecting the second quarter to be far more challenging. And when you get into it then the question came is well what probability is there that we would cut the dividend at the end of the second quarter. And our view was that, the probability of having to cut it at the end of the second quarter was very high. And so then, the issue was did we want to spend money by keeping paying the dividend when we thought that it was very high probability, we would have to cut it and stop putting debt onto the balance sheet. And so although, if you had asked Alister and I literally three months ago, whether we would cut the dividend I think we would have been very confident that the answer to that would have been no, we can't foresee a circumstance where that would occur. But given this incredible circumstance that is having huge global implications, we view this it's very important that we be proactive and this is very prudent in managing the financial strength of the company, so that we can keep the company strong through this and not continue to take on debt.

Neil Mehta

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. But the follow-up is on the buyback strategy where – as the oil price improves, you've indicated you're going to be more aggressive around share repurchases. How do you ensure that you're not buying back stock procyclically and using repurchases as of a flywheel but then not getting the best entry players on buying your shares?

Mark Little

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yeah. In the past, the way we've done it is ratably bought back over a period of time. And I think some of this will depend on the fundamentals that are supporting the market. So, we will have to make those decisions as we see the market go out. But that's always the challenge when you buy back. I don't know Alister, did you want to add anything to that?

Alister Cowan

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yeah. I would just say, at the end of the day we will considerably strengthen the balance sheet as we move forward. We will execute on a pro rata basis from a dividend stock buyback, will also give us a capability when we undoubtedly go through another downturn in a few years to have a very strong balance sheet to take advantage of that situation.

Neil Mehta

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

All right. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Manav Gupta with Credit Suisse.

Manav Gupta

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Thank you, guys. I have a quick question on portals. The realization came the netback and realizations were still a little weaker on our – versus our models. I'm trying to understand was it just the timing of the condensate purchases or the lag, which caused this, or were there any other factors because of which the operating netback at focus was a little weaker than expected?

Alister Cowan

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

I'll take that one Mark. Really, it was really a condensate diluent question here, whereby we'd obviously committed to that about that earlier at higher prices. So that was really the main driver in the gas.

Manav Gupta

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

And just a quick follow-up on is like, if the operating netback doesn't improve from current levels or remains a little low on the side, is there a point where you look at Fort Hills as an independent project and say maybe 60,000 barrels annual guidance on this may not hold.

Mark Little

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Yeah. I think part of the issue with it is this is a very significant asset. And so it has lots of obligations on pipelines and commitments and logistics and stuff associated with it. So you can't just shut it off, because there's a whole bunch of commitments that need to carry on. So we are looking at the margins associated with it. One of the huge challenges with Fort Hills is that, coming into this it was curtailed. And so it could not operate efficiently. We essentially ran it at about 75% utilization, because of the constraints from curtailment. And in this environment you cannot run assets inefficiently. So we found in that particular case, it was much easier for us to shutdown one train. And that's why we keep saying that, we're running one train fully utilized very efficiently and then shed the cost with the other train, where we can only get essentially half productivity for it. In this environment, you cannot have the inefficiency in the environment. So going to one train was far more straightforward than whether you would shutdown the entire asset. And the second piece, I guess associated with that is as prices have collapsed a lot of the incremental value you would normally get an uplift on the product that we produce from Fort Hills, because it's a higher product quality and gives higher yields, doesn't show up in this environment, because all the spreads essentially get collapsed together. And so that's another factor as well. But – so we look at all the various scenarios and then optimize for what generates the most cash.

Manav Gupta

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for taking my question.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Dennis Fong from Canaccord Genuity.

Dennis Fong

Analyst

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. The first one is, I just wanted to kind of know and I appreciate the incremental color around the logistics and marketing slide I guess, slide four in your presentation. And I was hoping to dig into that a little bit more. Just characterizing your plus or minus 50 million barrels of storage capabilities, how could that play into kind of potentially increasing the $225 million of after-tax marketing and logistics that you provided in terms of color this quarter? And how does that potentially will call it impact your upstream and downstream, I guess margins now that you're disclosing it separately as what I think was probably predominantly blended into your realizations prior to today.

Alister Cowan

Analyst

Yeah. I'll take that Dennis. Yeah the -- that storage and logistics network that we've disclosed in our new slide in our deck is actually extremely important to generating that additional value that we disclosed at $230-odd million. So, it will continue to be key as we go forward. It gives us flexibility on moving both crude and refined products around North America. It will allow us to keep our utilizations at refinery higher than others and it will allow us to continue to keep producing from the upstream assets with others, we really eventually fell as the harvest to just have to shut in to for their oil is to go. So it will be extremely important as we go forward. We still allocate, as you saw from our numbers, a lot borrowed at $235 million does get allocated back up into the upstream and downstream. But we have separately disclosing it is to highlight the total amount of value we're creating from that group and the logistics assets that we have.

Mark Little

Analyst

And maybe just to add to that, it certainly gives us a much deeper understanding of what's going on in all the various regional markets. And in these types of very volatile situations, you see dislocations from one part of the market to another. And so, as a result of that it provides us with opportunities. And it also helps us in being able to protect against situations where there's very rapid crude movements or product movements. And in some cases, we can just put the product into storage versus wholesaling note at massive discounts.

Dennis Fong

Analyst

Great. That’s a really good segue to my follow up here. So obviously you've made changes to your operated production on the upstream side of things to limit your exposure there. How should we be thinking about the use of equity barrels versus purchasing barrels on the market in terms of your view of, I guess, your current refining capacity even at the reduced throughput? And should we think of the Q2 level of, I guess physical integration as being kind of the maximum that you guys are able to put through your owned refineries? Thanks.

Mark Little

Analyst

Yeah. It's interesting in that because we have a -- so we have increased the amount of equity barrels that we put in. And as Alister talked about, he said we've put 43% of our equity barrels in Q1 of 2020 and that was 35% in 2018. This is an area we continue to work on. We're expecting in the second quarter that number is more like 50% of our total barrels going through our physical assets. That also means that the other 50% we're buying in the marketplace and in some cases it's driven by pricing. And in some cases, it's driven to get the molecules we need to make the various products associated with it. So, we -- this gets optimized literally every single day. We're looking for opportunities between storage, production, movement of logistics and our refineries and the product mix to be able to constantly optimize that to maximize cash flow.

Dennis Fong

Analyst

Great. Thanks. Appreciate the incremental color.

Mark Little

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Prashant Rao with Citigroup.

Prashant Rao

Analyst · Citigroup.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I had a broader picture question on the pace of recovery. You've given very good color about how you see the cadence of demand recovery in 2020. And then sort of a longer-term goal post there about 2022 potentially being the first year of a return to something that approximates normal assuming a lot of things go right along the way. My question is really on the interim view, especially given that this recovery will be led by the downstream and upstream will have to pace it. How do you think about 2021 in terms of the cadence of -- as a demand year and how that plays out from the downstream. And some of the factors, I'm thinking about here too are some of the deferrals we've seen globally on maintenance that may show in 2020 that may show up on downstream assets in 2021, perhaps a little bit of lingering products demand suppression in jet fuel. There's a lot of moving pieces there, but kind of the bridge between 2020 shorter-term recovery and then 2022 is more of a mid-cycle year. How should we think about that broad strokes and how are you planning for that?

Mark Little

Analyst · Citigroup.

Yes. Well, that's an interesting question Prashant. It's -- that's actually the challenge. And I think I commented in my text in there is we know how this will play out. It's the pace that's uncertain. And so the question you get into is okay so when does the vaccine show up as an example? And then how fast does that get penetration so that people go back to their normal lives. I think if you look at the airline industry that's been an industry that's been hit very, very hard. And you just wonder about how long will it take before people feel comfortable going back to flying and doing the things that they've done in the past. Now, when you start taking the cruise ships out and the airline industry and such that might actually provide some strength in the gasoline side, but it will certainly prolong some weakness in jet. So, what we're expecting to see is probably we might even see a little bit stronger gasoline than we've seen in the past if people want to get out and travel associated with it. But for all of the reasons, you mentioned the uncertainty is very high. And we think it's in some cases I think you'll see that there's going to be some false starts in various economies. And so I think it's going to be variable. And we're going to be managing our inventories and integration as we do every single day to maximize value and cash flow and agility will be a key attribute of staying strong through this period because it's impossible. I -- no one actually knows the answer as to how this will play out. And so staying agile as an organization and responding as we see these trends. One of the huge advantages we've had that we've talked about is the fact that we are participating and our players in a number of these markets across North America and in the international markets. And so we see this in real-time and we have the ability to adjust as we go forward. So, we do think that our view if you look at the forward market right now shows mid-$30s for WTI a barrel next year. And will it be that? No one really knows. That's what the market is betting at this stage of the game and we'll stay agile and see how it plays out.

Prashant Rao

Analyst · Citigroup.

Thanks Mark. I appreciate that. And I know it's sort of a tougher question to answer. So, I appreciate the color there. My follow-up just sort of related to that if we do see the fits and starts and maybe some parts of the barrel that take longer to recover on the product side which would then have an implication for overall oil demand sort of making that last fit into normal demand levels from a historical perspective. How does that make you think about the progress you've made and the plans that you had before all this on the renewable side? Does it maybe hasten the pace a little bit? And also what is that do you think that you could see maybe a narrowing in the cost of capital difference between sort of traditional oil and gas and some of these renewable products, specifically because we've just gone through so much volatility in the market coming out on the other side of this might there be more financing appetite to go there might be has in the base of that or is that maybe not so much a concern?

Mark Little

Analyst · Citigroup.

Well, I think what you -- I would say in the energy markets is all energy markets have taken a hit. And in fact we announced two investments which was the 40-mile wind farm and the co-gen at base plant both of which we've had to stop working on in this environment for cash reasons. And so those have been slowed down. And I think what you will find across all energy investment is that all of it's going to get slowed down oil, renewables, electrical projects and such associated with it. So, in our particular case and I go back to what I said before is despite the fact that we did cut the dividend, our commitment to returning shareholder value has not changed, the strategy of the corporation hasn't changed, and our commitment to ESG hasn't changed. Although the pace at which we can do some of those things has needed to be adjusted to keep the company financially strong. But I think that you are going to see implications across all of the various forms of energy and almost all industries.

Prashant Rao

Analyst · Citigroup.

Thank you very much Mark. Appreciate that.

Operator

Operator

And there are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call over back to Mr. Trevor Bell for closing remarks.

Trevor Bell

Analyst

Great. Thank you operator and thanks everyone for attending today. Really appreciate it myself and our team in IR around all day. Given the circumstances we're all working remotely. So, please just drop us an e-mail or you have our mobile numbers, give us a shout if you have any follow-up. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect.