Barry S. Sternlicht
Analyst · FBR
Interestingly, we've built a retail platform at Starwood, so we've got 180 in Chicago in Star Retail Properties. And we're finding retail tough to do at the levels people are willing to do it. So we've enormous expertise -- in fact, I was with the team yesterday, the retail team, and they were telling me about a deal that they worked with the team in San Francisco and killed because they knew everything about the center. So the board whispered, "retail", and I think that's true. I think you're not seeing us make a lot of retail. Its only 8% of our book by net, whereas office is 29% and multi is 29% and hospitality is 29%, mixed-use is 10%, multis is 7%. It's surprising to see that, but I think it's -- I think, really good retail is probably in Core, and they're borrowing 45% against it, and that's it. So we're not playing there. So that's -- it's both. When we see it, it's probably screwed up, and if we don't think it's a value-add re-tenanting situation, we're just going to pass. That's -- it's interesting. I think the other thing we're seeing is -- we still see deals, we have one deal in shop where the borrower has more than $200 million invested in a hotel property, and they're looking for $8 million first, but the asset only makes $3 million or $4 million. It's a 5 yield [ph]. It actually covers debt service on an $80 million mortgage, but I'm not sure why, when we lend against it, it's going to perform any better tomorrow than it did yesterday. It's the same management company, same owners, same -- the asset's in great shape. There's nothing you can do to it. Tough deals. I mean, it's interesting. You've seen this equity value appraisal there, I think, of $120-odd million, but this appraisal's forecasting a turnaround. We just don't think that -- I don't think that market's going to perform much better than it is right now. There's a lot of supply coming in that town. So there's lots of things out there. We just cherrypick them. Thank you. Thanks, everyone. Have a great day, and we appreciate you being on the call with us. And Stew and Rina, Boyd, Andrew, Zach, everyone's here to answer your questions today if you -- or tomorrow. Or come visit both here in San Francisco. We're happy to spend time. Thank you very much. Go visit them in Miami, too. You'll be impressed. Goodbye. Thanks, Cory, remotely. Have a good day.