Joseph Cutillo
Analyst · Davidson. Please go ahead
Yes, I think the good news is, if we didn't go through COVID and see the, I'll call it rapid fire increases that we saw a couple years ago, I'd probably be a little more cautious and more concerned about the tariffs. But we -- people have to remember we saw 200% to 300% price increases in less than six months and the impact on the business was minimal at the end of the day. So when we look at the tariffs, I'll just kind of go through each segment just so people understand them. In our, in our Transportation segment, we'll start there and first the major items are steel and those components all have to be made in America for the most part on our contracts, and we lock those in at the beginning of the contract. So our upfront pricing may appear higher than what market pricing is, but it's guaranteed for that. In addition, on some of the other items, if we see increases above a certain percent, there's actually some indexing that takes place. And throughout COVID, we saw virtually no impact through Transportation Solutions. So we think we'll see minimal there. Obviously there in both Building Solutions, there's risk of concrete powder going up and concrete prices, but again, there's some indexing that offsets and protects that. In E-Infrastructure, we really have a couple major components. All the piping and underground components that go into the contracts or into the builds in fuel. Those are two biggest items. We have learned from COVID and in our major contracts we have indexing in our fuel pricing. If it exceeds, I believe it's 5%. We then pass that on. But similarly, if it goes down more than a certain amount, we give money back to the customer. So we're not trying to make money off of fuel. We just don't want to lose money on fuel. For the underground stuff, the bigger issue during COVID was availability. That cost us a lot more money than the price increases because our projects are phased. This is what we love about them. We only price one phase at a time. So we're generally buying the material for that phase while we're pricing it, so we can build that in. So, I won't say there's zero exposure, but worst case scenario would be kind of two to three months of exposure on a project if we got locked into something and didn't have the material pre-bought. I will tell you our guys are probably pre-buying material more than they have in the past just to ensure that doesn't happen. And then in Building Solutions, concretes are our biggest material. As of two weeks ago, I didn't check on it last week, prices were still coming down on concrete across the board for us. So we've seen the opposite take place there. So that would be our biggest risk. But again, those are very quick turn projects we're pricing as increases come out. So in COVID, we saw about a 60-day to 90-day lag because we saw the rapid fire. If we get a 60-day to 90-day price increase notice, we're usually able to pass that on to the customer in that time frame.