StepStone Group Inc. (STEP) Q1 2024 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen and welcome to StepStone's Fiscal First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Seth Weiss, StepStone's Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Joining me on today's call are Scott Hart, Chief Executive Officer; Jason Ment, President and Co-Chief Operating Officer; Mike McCabe, Head of Strategy; and Johnny Randel, Chief Financial Officer. During our prepared remarks, we will be referring to a presentation, which is available on our Investor Relations website at shareholders.stepstonegroup.com. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that this conference call as well as the presentation contains certain forward-looking statements regarding the company's expected operating and financial performance for future periods and our plans for future dividends. Forward-looking statements reflect management's current plans, estimates, and expectations and are inherently uncertain and are subject to various risks, uncertainties, and assumptions. Actual results for future periods and actual dividends declared may differ materially from those expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements due to changes in circumstances or a number of risks or other factors that are described in the risk factors section of StepStone's periodic filings. These forward-looking statements are made only as of today and except as required, we undertake no obligation to update or revise any of them. In addition today's presentation contains references to non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release, our presentation, and our filings with the SEC. Turning to our financial results for the first quarter of fiscal 2024. Beginning with slide three, we reported GAAP net income of $49.4 million. GAAP net income attributable to StepStone Group Inc. was $21.3 million. Moving to slide four. We generated fee-related earnings of $44.4 million, up 21% from the prior year quarter and we generated an FRE margin of 32%. The quarter reflected retroactive fees resulting from interim closings of our PE secondaries fund, our multi-strategy global venture capital fund, and our infrastructure co-invest fund, which in total contributed $2.8 million to revenue and fee-related earnings, 140 basis points to FRE margin, and $2.7 million to pre-tax adjusted net income. This compares to retroactive fees in the first quarter of fiscal 2023 that contributed $2.4 million of revenue, $2.2 million to fee-related earnings and pre-tax adjusted net income, and 130 basis points to FRE margin. Excluding the impact of retroactive fees in both this quarter and the prior year's quarter, we would have grown fee-related earnings by 21%. Finally, we earned $29.4 million in adjusted net income for the quarter or $0.26 per share. This is down from $47.1 million or $0.41 per share in the first fiscal quarter of last year, driven primarily by lower net realizations and partially offset by higher fee-related earnings. I'll now hand the call over to StepStone's CEO Scott Hart.

Thank you, Seth and good afternoon everyone. Over the last year, we have generated a strong progression of fee-related earnings, driven by consistent growth in fee-earning assets under management, despite challenging environment for the private markets and the broader asset management industry. The strength and breadth of our platform enables StepStone to operate a comprehensive set of solutions to our clients, allowing them to proactively invest across economic cycles. Our client-first approach has resulted in strong historic growth and we expect to continue along this path as we listen and adapt to our clients' needs across evolving market backdrops. Looking at today's environment, our clients remain patient in making capital commitments. However, the broader market appears to be strengthening and the sentiment among our clients and partners is improving. Public equity indices are up 20% to 40% since the markets dropped with strength particularly in technology. Investment realizations remain modest, but we are seeing green shoots with some recent IPO activity and M&A. Increased transactions would not only lead to stronger performance fees, but would help spur fundraising as realized capital that has returned is recycled back into new investments particularly for those LPs with more mature private markets portfolios. At our Investor Day in June, we set out a path to at least double our fee-related earnings over the next five years. Since our founding more than 15 years ago we have taken deliberate steps to build leading teams and capabilities across all the major private market asset classes and strategies, establish solutions for institutional and individual investors, position ourselves in the fastest-growing geographies, and construct leading data and technology platforms that provide StepStone with distinct competitive advantages in delivering private market solutions. As such, we believe the drivers of growth are already in place, namely managed account re-ups, continued success within our co-mingled funds across both institutional and private wealth clients, deepening market penetration across geographies, and operating leverage. A major contributing factor in our confidence to achieving this long-term growth centers around the diversity of our offerings. Our wide scope of capabilities ensures that we have a myriad of solutions for different market environments and that we are not concentrated in any one area. I'd like to focus on a few of these avenues about which we are particularly excited. Beginning with secondaries, this is a strategy that we've spoken about on recent calls and warrants continued discussion given how it is resonating with investors in today's environment. Investors are attracted to the strong returns, while appreciating the favorable risk and cash flow profile that comes from investing in a seasoned portfolio or asset. At the same time, supply remains strong as GPs and LPs are increasing their adoption of secondaries as a mechanism to harvest returns and generate liquidity. As a trusted partner to GPs and LPs alike, StepStone is well positioned to capitalize on this market given the breadth of our relationships and our data advantage which comes from managing or advising on over $600 billion of assets and monitoring data on over 15,000 managers. We are currently in market with our private equity secondaries fund, our special situations real estate secondaries fund and we are now in market with our venture capital secondaries fund where we are working towards a first close. We also offer secondaries in managed accounts across all the asset classes and see opportunities for further product expansion. The secondary markets in private credit and infrastructure are still relatively new, but are starting to accelerate meaningfully as the primary market in these asset classes have reached a critical mass and LP's portfolios in those asset classes are seasoning. As the largest solutions provider in infrastructure and a meaningful player in private credit, StepStone is positioned to be a leader in developing these secondary markets. Shifting to the geographic landscape, we continue to find opportunities worldwide. We have a strong global presence with offices in 16 countries, which give us the footprint to grow internationally with deepening pools in the emerging capital. We are also growing in North America which made up over half of our gross inflows this quarter. The breadth of our offering has proven to be a competitive advantage as we closed on several managed account mandates that were multi-strategy and multi-asset class. Finally Private Wealth continues to be an extremely exciting avenue for growth. We are averaging inflows of over $70 million a month for calendar 2023, which compares to a $45 million average for the first seven months of last year. In fact, July was our best month of inflows ever with over $100 million in new subscriptions. When we established our Private Wealth platform, we did it with the aim of increasing accessibility to the private markets. SPRIM our core private markets Evergreen fund was designed specifically to help individual investors' clear challenges associated with private market investing. For example, SPRIM has relatively low investment minimums, is suitable for accredited investors, allows for 1099 tax reporting and doesn't require capital calls. Last month we took another significant step to reduce investor friction, by publishing a daily net asset value for SPRIM making StepStone among the first platforms to introduce a daily NAV for a multi-asset class private markets fund. Investors can now subscribe on a daily, rather than just a monthly basis. Additionally, SPRIM is now eligible for the National Securities Clearing Corporation platform for mutual funds, enabling investment via a ticker without the need for subscription documents and simplifying the onboarding process for the investor and financial adviser. I'll now turn the call over to Mike McCabe, to speak about StepStone's fundraising and fee-earning asset growth in more detail.

Thanks Scott. Turning to slide 7. We generated $15 billion of gross AUM inflows during the last 12 months with $4 billion coming from our commingled funds and $11 billion coming from our managed accounts. Slide 8, shows our fee-earning AUM by structure and asset class. For the quarter, we grew fee-earning assets by approximately $2 billion with $700 million coming from commingled funds and the remainder from separately managed accounts. This quarter's commingled fund inflows came primarily from our PE secondaries fund our multi-strategy global venture fund, our infrastructure co-investment fund and our Private Wealth platform where we continue to generate strong growth with total assets under management of $1.7 billion. Our investment performance at our Private Wealth products continues to be very strong with SPRIM our Evergreen private markets fund for our accredited investors generating a 28% annualized return since inception and SPRING, our evergreen venture and growth equity fund off to a strong 24% return since its launch in November of 2022. StepStone private infrastructure fund or STRUCTURE is our latest perpetually raised fund for Private Wealth investors having been declared effective by the SEC in July. STRUCTURE is an internal fund, seeking current income and long-term capital appreciation by offering accredited investors access to a global investment portfolio of private infrastructure assets. We expect an initial closing later this year. We also increased our undeployed fee-earning capital by more than $1 billion to a balance of approximately $17 billion, positioning us well to capitalize on attractive investment opportunities. Slide 9 shows the evolution of our management and advisory fees. We generated a blended management fee rate of 55 basis points over the last 12 months, slightly higher than for fiscal 2023. We produced over $4.50 per share in management advisory fees over the last 12 months, representing an annual growth rate of over 20% since fiscal year 2019. Now before turning the call over to Johnny, I am pleased to announce that we are raising our quarterly dividend from $0.20 per share to $0.21 per share. As a reminder, last November we updated our dividend approach to bifurcate our shareholder distributions between a quarterly dividend that would be based primarily on fee-related earnings and a recurring supplemental dividend that will be paid annually and based primarily on performance related earnings. By matching our dividend approach to our business model, we can maximize distributions to our shareholders, while maintaining a capital-efficient balance sheet. As a reminder, we set last year's quarterly dividends of $0.20 per share prior to this shift in approach and therefore had based those dividends on total adjusted net income rather than fee related earnings. We are pleased that we were able to pay out a healthy $0.25 supplemental dividend this past June even with the midyear change in approach. This quarter's $0.21 distribution marks the first time we are setting our quarterly dividend based primarily on fee related earnings. This payout is funded by the vast majority of our fee related earnings after adjusting for taxes and noncontrolling interest. For comparison this dividend would have represented a high-teens percentage increase in our quarterly dividend had we adopted a similar approach last year and based those quarterly dividends on FRE. We expect that our future year's quarterly dividends will increase as we grow FRE. I'd now like to pass the call over to our CFO, Johnny Randel.

Thank you Mike. I'd like to turn your attention to Slide 11 to speak to our financial highlights. For the quarter, we earned management and advisory fees of $138 million, up 18% from the prior year quarter. The revenue increase is driven by growth in fee-earning AUM from comingled funds that were activated over the last year, as well as continued fundraising and deployment across commercial structures. We generated an FRE margin of 32% for the quarter. Retroactive fees in this quarter had a positive impact on the FRE margin of 140 basis points. Excluding the impact from retro fees, our margin was up 60 basis points year-over-year and up 250 basis points sequentially. Cash compensation for the quarter reflected relatively limited hiring activity. We expect some pick up in compensation expense next quarter from incremental hiring. G&A will vary quarter-to-quarter largely driven by travel and events. We saw a decline in G&A from the previous quarter, which included expenses related to our annual VC investor conference. Gross realized performance and incentive fees were $14 million for the quarter, which is down both year-over-year and sequentially but generally consistent with the muted level of transactions we have seen in the market. As Scott mentioned, we are seeing some signs that the realization environment is improving. It generally takes a few quarters of transactions to work through the pipeline, so we expect that realized performance fees will remain modest for the next several quarters. As a reminder, we generally do not control the timing of exit on our investments. Moving to Slide 12. Adjusted revenue per share was down 20% relative to the prior fiscal year, which is the result of an 80% decrease in gross realized performance fees per share, offset by 19% growth in management and advisory fees per share. Since fiscal 2019, we have grown adjusted revenue per share by 21% compounded annual rate. Shifting to our profitability on Slide 13, we grew fee-related earnings per share by 22% year-over-year. The increase was primarily driven by growth in management and advisory fees. Looking over the longer term, we have generated an annual growth rate in fee related earnings per share of 31% since fiscal 2019. Our ANI per share is down relative to last year driven by lower performance and incentive fees that has increased at an annual rate of 26% over the long-term period driven by growth in both fee-related earnings and realized net performance fees. Moving to the balance sheet on Slide 14. Net accrued carry finished the quarter at $609 million, up 4% from the previous quarter, driven by underlying valuation increases for the period ended March 31st. As a reminder, our accrued carry balance is reported on a one quarter lag. Our own investment portfolio ended the quarter at $154 million. Unfunded commitments to our investment programs were $95 million as of quarter end. Our pool of performance fee-eligible capital has grown to over $65 billion and this capital is widely diversified across multiple vintage years and approximately 190 programs. 78% of our unrealized carry is tied to programs of vintages of 2018 or earlier, which means that these programs are largely out of their investment periods and are in harvest mode. 59% of this unrealized carry sourced from vehicles like deal-by-deal waterfall meaning realized carry may be payable at the time of investment exit. This concludes our prepared remarks. I'll now turn it back over to the operator to open the line for any questions.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now conduct the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Ben Budish from Barclays. Your line is now open.

Hi, good evening, and thanks for taking the question. Scott, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about secondaries. Just curious it sounds like there's a lot of opportunity there. I know you have a number of funds in the market right now. Can you remind us how big is that for you right now and just based on the momentum or the desire of GPs and LPs to transact, where do you think that can go? How do you see it scaling over the next several years?

Sure. Thanks Ben for the question. And, obviously, this is a topic that we've been talking about really over the last number of quarters, not only as it relates to the secondaries opportunity as it exists for us in private equity, but also the expansion of the secondaries opportunity across the venture, as well as the real estate infrastructure and private credit asset classes. We haven't disclosed an exact total secondaries AUM number, but certainly within each of the asset classes is of increasing importance. When you look at our sort of flagship private equity, secondary fund the previous vehicle was a $2.1 billion fund. We continue to have the largest venture capital secondaries fund, with the prior fund being approximately $2.6 billion and as you mentioned in market with our real estate special situations, secondaries fund as well. So, again, I think an increasingly important part of the business for us and as I mentioned during the prepared remarks, given our positioning in the market and our relationships with both GPs and LPs, one that we think that we are particularly well positioned to continue to capitalize on. Clearly, if you think about deal activity in the first half of the year here, was down slightly relative to last year, but there's probably still a bit of a disconnect between what's hitting in the top of the funnel, which has been quite active versus what has closed. We've obviously, talked for some period of time about the bid-ask spreads that exists between buyers and sellers. I think that's closing. I think part of what we've seen is a stabilization in valuations particularly across the private equity, and even to some extent the venture space with valuation stabilizing in really Q4 and Q1 of this year, which will give secondary buyers like ourselves a bit more confidence to transact in this market.

Great. That’s helpful. Maybe one follow-up sort of a high-level question. It seems like the story maybe six to nine months ago was really around like the denominator effect. LPs were having trouble, just based on kind of the math of what was happening in their portfolios. It sounds like maybe the story has shifted a little bit somewhat similar, but it's more about they're waiting for capital to be returned. But just kind of wondering from your seat, since you sit in the middle of so many GPs and LPs, to what extent with the sort of rise in public markets over the last many months, is the denominator effect still an issue or are investors still sort of waiting for capital to be returned or does it take a little bit more time to get confidence? What are your kind of thoughts there?

Yes. That's, a good question. It's certainly the rise in the public markets during the first half this year, takes some of the pressure off. But we've also talked in the past about the fact that it actually wasn't just the denominator, but also the numerator that was contributing to LPs being over-allocated and the rapid investment pace over the last several years, the fact that private market valuations has held up reasonably well particularly compared to the public market and then a slowdown in realization activity really starting in the second half of 2022. And so those issues impacting the numerator, all still exist. I would say. that the recovery in the public markets take some of the pressure off. It doesn't mean that LPs are completely out of the woods. I think the term that we used in our prepared remarks is. we think they're being patient. And part of the reason for that is in the same way that when the public markets declined we didn't see an immediate resetting of budgets or LPs slamming on the brakes. Well, when that goes in reverse and the public markets recover again, don't immediately see LPs resetting their budgets. But once again, I would just say, it takes a bit of the pressure off.

Got it, very helpful. Thanks so much for taking the questions.

Your next question comes from the line of Ken Worthington from JPMorgan. Your line is now open

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. First, for Scott, in the prepared remarks you talked about SPRIM and I'm sure I'll screw this up, so I'm going to pare it back and tell where I'm wrong and I'll follow up to the question. Now has daily NAV has registered I think you said NSCC, with a ticker it doesn't need subscription documents to be signed. So one, correct me where I'm wrong, but what I'm really after is, what are the end implications here for I guess one, end investors? And then two, what are the implications here for broadening RIA distribution as well as the build out of sort of regional and wirehouse distribution? It seems like this could be a big deal. Maybe it's not. But help flesh this out for me.

Thanks, Ken. And while I commented on during the prepared remarks I'm actually going to ask Jason, to comment in a bit more detail on your specific question there.

Sure. Thanks, Ken and Scott. So, we think it's a big deal is the short answer. From an ease-of-use perspective and a credit investor using an RIA or IBD that's using a custodian that's approved the ticker, literally buys it on the screen just like any mutual fund, paperwork not required from our perspective. So the ease of use is profound. And for RIAs that have discretionary accounts with their clients, it allows them to kind of buy down -- buy into the fund down their entire book in a matter of minutes, instead of having subscription agreements built out by each individual client to go through it all. So, the ease of use and if we're going to -- it's really a lot improved. And when we start to think about what our goal was with SPRIM, it was to provide that single ticket access for the accredited investor and to overcome the hurdles that investors had in accessing, the private markets. That could have been managing capital calls, that could have been dealing with tax compliance and schedule K-1s. But importantly, it's not easy to fill out a 40- or 50-page subscription agreement, either. And now we've been able to eliminate that for a wide swath of US-based investors.

Okay. And then again, I'm sure, I missed this before. What is the timing? I think you said the daily NAV is already live. Are we already like right now today to the point where no subscription documents so it's kind of off to the races, or is this something that kind of works its way in over the next six months? What is the timing element here?

Yeah. So it went live middle of last month. And the way, it works is wherever you are custodying that custodian has to approve the process for using the ticker. So we're working our way through -- as you know there are a lot of custodians out there working our way through the custodians to get them on site. We've got a couple on site so far and continuing that effort. And then separate and apart from those who use a third-party custodian, there are those groups that self-custody and we'll have to see what the take-up is there. So we don't expect that the subscription agreement is going away anytime soon and there will be certain groups that will always want to use a subscription agreement for their clients to ensure belts and suspenders from a suitability perspective. But for a large swath, we do expect the ticker to be the method of choice for accessing the fund.

Then one last one, you talked about the RIAs it kind of feels like that's where this may be more helpful. How does this impact sort of the regionals and the wirehouses and your build-out there? I assume, it's sort of helpful for one helpful for all but maybe it's better on one side than the other or maybe the wirehouses wants subscription. So, any difference between sort of distribution channels?

Yeah. I think there is a difference between the distribution channels. The RIAs will definitely use this at a higher percentage than the IBDs or the wires. We think some of the IBDs will be using this, but probably not all. Some may also use an abbreviated documentation process. So there's some benefit but not the complete benefit. And for the wires we expect that will be the last holdout in terms of wanting to use the ticker instead of sticking with the traditional sub doc process from a suitability perspective.

Okay. Thanks.

So think of this like equalizing the playing field a bit in terms of the scale of capital amongst the players a bit.

Great. Thank you very much.

Your next question comes from the line of Adam Beatty from UBS. Your line is now open.

Thank you, and good afternoon. I just wanted to ask about the level of undeployed capital which is nicely ticking up there. Great to have that sort of backlog for deployment. Looks like deployment may have -- of that in particular backlog may have edged down a little bit in the quarter. So, just wondering what you're seeing in the deployment environment and whether there's something about the current undeployed capital in terms of fund mix and profile that would either shorten or lengthen the deployment period? Thanks.

Sure. Thanks Adam. So we've always talked about is undeployed fee-earning capital likely to be deployed over a three to five-year type of period. I think that still remains the case. And I think that type of time range gives us enough flexibility given the deal flow that we have to deploy responsibly and invest responsibly throughout market cycles here. I think you are right to pick up on the fact that deployment has slowed a bit not only in this quarter but over the last few quarters here. I don't think that will come as any major surprise given what has gone on in the marketplace more broadly. And to some extent comes down to which of our accounts pay on invested capital, I would say, while we haven't broken that down precisely it's a bit more heavily weighted towards some of our co-investment strategies and much like the comment I made earlier about secondary is where there's probably a bit of a difference between what's hitting the top of the funnel versus what is actually closing. We have seen a nice uptick in activity hitting the top of the funnel certainly the second quarter of this year up pretty significantly year-over-year. And I think that's going to be a driver of deployment and investment pace starting to pick up. So as we've talked about on the last few calls we continue to be patient, but are cautiously optimistic given the pickup in deal flow that we've seen of late.

Got it. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the detail, Scott. And then just turning back to the wealth channel really interesting on the daily NAV for SPRIM and many of the features that come along with that. So, I think that's really something of a breakthrough there. One of the other components as you know of effective retail distribution is the education process and which breaks into kind of a conceptual understanding of the product, but also forms of real-time data or monitoring availability. And obviously, daily NAV will fill in one of those major gaps there. But just wondering given the wealth of information resources that StepStone has how you might be deploying or considering deploying that information advantage into the retail channel. Thanks.

Yes, I think – this is Jason. In addition to the transparency that's available on the portfolio and the daily ticker just to be clear, that's an SPRIM development not a SPRING development currently. But in addition to that, you're right we try to strategically partner with each of the wealth management firms that we work with and try to meet them where they are. They've got differing needs in terms of access to educational materials like the research papers we put out but also may seek to have a more fulsome access to our data and technology solutions and we try to partner them partner with them in that way as well if it's helpful. So I think unlike a – like a monoline manager, we do have not only a lot of data and technology solutions available but perspective on the market that we can be helpful in things that they're doing away from us as well and I think that's resonated quite well.

The only thing I would add to that is I think this approach towards education and knowledge transfer is not a far stretch for us, given the relationships that we have with our clients even on the institutional side where we've always had very close partnerships, not the types of relationships where we're just checking in once a year at an annual meeting. We're in very close communication with our clients, hosting training sessions. We actually launched earlier this year our first on the private equity side StepStone Academy session for some of our institutional clients. And so now looking for ways to roll that out more broadly to the private wealth space as well.

Yes. So there's potential cross over there. That's great. Thank you, guys.

Your next question comes from the line of Alex Blostein from Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.

Hey, guys. Just building maybe on a couple of more questions around the wealth channel. I think you mentioned that gross sales in July were running at about $100 million, which is a nice pickup from where you guys have been doing. So if you can spend a minute on what the source of that sort of incremental offset has been recently is that additional new platforms, new advisers or higher just same-store sales from the kind of the existing books that you're seeing? And as you think about the expansion plans into other platforms with obviously again this new structure would that also entail the ability for direct distribution, or would clients still need to buy through the financial providers? So in other words, would folks be able to buy it in Schwab and Fidelity or it's still up to the intermediary? Thanks.

Thanks, Alex. So a couple of things. In terms of where we saw these post-period flows what drove the uptick, I think we saw the ticker come into play for sure on SPRIM. We saw it therefore come deeper into the book at mostly the RIA channel. But we also saw some increased flows from the wires and IBDs that we've been on the platform but it's been kind of in that ramp-up phase and those things are starting to hit stride. So it was a pretty broad-based tick up both across SPRIM and SPRING. So really happy to see that. And then in terms of what could the ticker mean in terms of more direct access, we agree. We do think that this will allow folks to buy into the fund on a variety of different channels including things like self-directed IRAs in the kind of channels you mentioned as well as other kind of direct-to-consumer platforms.

Got it. Great. And then just in terms of the structure of the wealth channel, if I recall correctly maybe a quarter or two ago, you guys have restructured it where the team got some of the economics. So maybe just a quick reminder of in terms of the incremental management fees that will be coming through the channel, what ultimately drops down to the bottom line to the StepStone shareholders?

So if you take the top line management fee there's roughly a 50-50 split in those fees, with 50% going to StepStone Group and then 50% funding the expenses of the private wealth team.

Got it. Great. Okay. Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Cyprys from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

Hey, good evening. I wanted to ask about private credit. It's getting a lot of attention in the marketplace just given some of the challenges in the banking sector. I was hoping you can talk about your private credit franchise how that contributed to the quarter. And hopefully, you could talk about some of the initiatives you have in place to accelerate growth and what are some of the steps you might be able to take over the next 12 months.

Sure. Thanks Mike for the question. I think private debt has been a meaningful contributor not only in the quarter, but really over the last 12 months and beyond one of the faster-growing asset classes for us. Look when you talk to our private debt team and platform one of the things you hear us talk quite a bit about is the fact that, we view this as an all-weather strategy particularly when you think about the core allocation to direct lending, and what happens from time to time as there are opportunities either to diversify your sourcing channels and/or enhance your returns. I think one of the things that has happened on the back of the regional banking crisis is really an opportunity to do a couple of those things. We want to diversify sourcing whether by looking not only at corporate credits, but also real estate and infrastructure debt, and also expect there will be an opportunity to enhance returns and looking at more opportunistic and potentially distressed opportunities down the road here. But where a lot of the attention has really focused has also just been on this core direct lending allocation as well just given the rise in base rates seeing sort of low double-digit gross asset yields. And I think as the asset class itself has matured and has been proven a bit more battle-tested and we've seen sort of the strong downside being protection and performance through whether it was COVID, the GFC, or the more recent sort of tech-driven downturn over the last 12, 24 months here, I think that has really garnered a lot of attention amongst LPs. And so it's really opened up the eyes of our LPs and our clients as to the attractiveness and the attractive risk-reward of the strategy. In terms of additional steps that need to be taken look, I think, we've built out the platform. It's a sizable team and sizable business today. But I think some of the real opportunities are going to be capitalizing on the growing co-invest and secondaries opportunity. That's been an area that even with the decline in volumes that we've seen over the last 12 months driven by private equity deal activity there have been meaningful co-investment opportunities and secondaries either in the form of buying a portfolio of loans from GPs, or banks, or more traditional LP secondaries. And so I think those are going to be some of the growth avenues going forward here.

Great. And then just a follow-up question on retail. I think you mentioned $1.7 billion so far across two or three funds. Can you just update us on where each of those funds are in their phase of getting on the distribution platforms? How many are each on -- how many wires are each of them on? And where do you see that or expect that to be in 12 months?

Sure. Thanks Mike. The SPRIM is on a bit over 150 RIA platforms, 10-plus IBDs and one wire. SPRING is on 50-plus RIAs at this point, and a handful of IBDs. The IBDs actually are adopting a bit earlier in SPRING than what we saw in SPRIM, which is what we would generally expect to see with a second fund family after a first fund family. So that's been positive. Conversations on additional wires for SPRIM and an initial wire for SPRING are continuing and trending very positive. So look building out that syndicate for each fund family not just here in the U.S. by the way, but we can't forget that fourth pillar, which is very important which is the non-U.S. distribution is well underway and we've got a nice pipeline outside the U.S. as well with a number of different wealth platforms.

Great. Thanks for that. If I could just sneak one final one in here. Just on the daily NAV. Can you just talk a little bit about the hurdles that you had to tackle to bring that sort of innovation to the marketplace? How you thought about some of the pros and cons there just in terms of perhaps more volatility or less of a smoother ride for the customer? And sort of why now on that versus when you had brought some of these products in the marketplace a couple of years ago?

Sure. Look so, Scott mentioned the tremendous amount of data flowing through the platform. We think that is one of the initial linchpins in order to be able to deliver on a solution like this. The second is just the tremendous team that we've got in our data analytics team and data science team that were able to come up with the modeling around all of this. And then finally, to implement the technology across our homegrown monitoring and reporting software spy reporting and integrating that into our system and on our process for investing is really the last piece of how to actually be able to implement all of this. So the hurdles are high, I think for groups to be able to deliver on something like this in a meaningful way. It took a lot of legwork with all of our vendors like the auditors the administrators et cetera to get everybody on side with all of this. And in terms of the user experience, so far the feedback has been fantastic from the channels.

Great. Thanks for that.

Why now? Like it's just taken a long time to get to this point. It's not easy.

Super. Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of John Dunn from Evercore ISI. Your line is now open.

Hi, guys and thank you. You talked about half of gross inflows coming from the US. Can you kind of remind us how that compares to past quarters? Was there any kind of idiosyncratic stuff in there? And then maybe the strongest geographies overseas?

Sure. I mean, just as it relates to the comparison to prior quarters, we haven't always broken out the exact geographic breakdown. But when you look at the overall business and the breakdown of our management and advisory fees, that has typically been in the roughly 70% outside of the US and the remainder in the US. And so you can get the sense to that is an above-average contribution coming from North America. And look that was driven by a combination of things one being a number of separate accounts that we closed during the quarter. And as you know the timing of closing of sizable separate accounts can vary from quarter-to-quarter. Happen to have a few that closed during the quarter as well as some of the contributions on our various different co-mingled funds that had closings during the quarter. I would say from a geographic standpoint beyond that fairly balanced across other geographies. So I'm not sure there's a single geography that we would highlight outside of the US maybe more broadly Europe would have been the most significant contributor but without getting more specific than that. I'd probably leave it there.

Got you. And maybe just to touch on real estate? Can you talk about where you think we are as far as demand for your real estate strategies where are you seeing the most and the least demand?

Yeah. Well, look I think the good news is where we're seeing the most demand is for our flagship real estate special situations secondaries strategy. Jeff Giller, our Head of Real Estate has spent quite a bit of time talking about that strategy during our Investor Day just a couple of months ago. That is a strategy that is in demand and that we think is very well positioned for the coming investment environment. It has not been activated yet as deal volumes are still somewhat subdued today. And as Jeff talked about during our Investor Day, he thinks that it's the coming wave of refinancing activity that will ultimately catalyze the investment opportunity for us there today. So that's I'd say the area that we're seeing the most significant demand on the real estate side.

Thanks very much.

There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand over to Scott Hart. Please continue.

Great. Well, thanks everyone for your time and attention today. We look forward to updating you in future quarters. Thanks very much.

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