Joseph Sardano
Analyst · Maxim Group
Okay. Thanks, Anthony. The -- again, I'll go back to the analogy that in the early times when we introduced fair market value lease, the interest rate was low, but we still told the customer that they required 2 patients a month to breakeven. It was actually about 1.25, 1.5 patients, but you can't breakup a patient into a quarter or half. It's either a full patient or not. So we consistently told the customer being as conservative as we were requires 2 patients a month. Now with the increase over the last year as the Fed increased it, it really is about 2 patients a month. It's still slightly under, but maybe 1 in 7/8 of a patient, but we still claim we still show pro formas based on 2 patients a month. And the physicians are okay with that, but it does require an additional conversation because of the increase. So it's not like we say, oh, okay, your interest rate is 4%. We have to go to and say, okay, now your interest rate is 9%. So there is a difference, and it requires an additional conversation or two to go through that, but the breakeven is still 2 patients a month. Now the ROI is still very, very good, as we were saying. It still provides them the opportunity to get into that technology, and we still don't see any of our customers doing less than 10 patients a month. So they don't have a shortage of patients. And then the big point of the fair market value lease is the fact that its characteristics is that it's a nonrecourse off-balance sheet lease, which means the doctor, if he's in business for 3 years, and we deal with all doctors that are in business for more than 3 years, they don't have to come up with any personal guarantees. Not signing personal guarantees and having off-balance sheet financing is tremendously important, especially when they bring in their CPAs. Their CPAs are telling them this is -- it's a no-brainer, you need to go into this. Now with all that being said, we're still seeing the majority of the physicians buying in cash, okay? They have the cash because they have the volume, and they have the confidence with the cash to buy the products. So the majority of our sales are still with cash purchases. And these -- the fair market value lease is a great adjunct to get into the conversation, but when push comes to shove and it comes to the end and they're starting to talk to their CPAs, their CPAs are saying, buy it outright? You got the cash do it. I think -- a lot of it has to do with Section 179 of the IRS code. And I remember, and I say the story often, we were sitting at dinner in a month of December with a physician talking about buying a system. And at the time that we were having dinner before we took our first bite, his CPA called him and was telling him about his financial situation and is there something that he could buy. And he says, well, I'm just sitting with the Sensus guys now talking about buying a machine. And you could hear the CPA at the end of the round say, buy 2. So we only sold one, but the CPA said, buy 2, and that's because there was so much money being made that the guy needed a tax deduction. So that's where it is with the fair market value lease. It's been a tremendous tool for us. It's a tremendous topic of conversation. But again, when push comes to shove, the majority of these doctors are buying in cash.