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Scully Royalty Ltd. (SRL)

Q4 2013 Earnings Call· Mon, Mar 31, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the MFC Industrial Ltd 2013 Year End Conference Call. My name is Ken, and I will be your operator for today. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host for today, Mr. Kevin McGrath of Cameron Associates. Please proceed.

Kevin McGrath

Management

Thank you, and good morning. We appreciate your interest in joining us in MFC's conference call and webcast to discuss financial results for the 12-month period ended December 30, 2013. On the call with me today are Michael Smith, Chairman and CEO; James Carter, Chief Financial Officer and Rene Randall, Vice President. The company will make a brief presentation on the results announced this morning and then open the call to questions. Today's call is being webcast on our website at mfcindustrial.com. Simply click on the tab in the website section to access the webcast. The webcast will be posted at mfcindustrial.com for replay approximately two hours following the end of this call. The replay will stay on the site for on-demand review for the next seven days. Certain statements in the conference call will be forward-looking statements, which reflects management's expectations regarding future growth, results of operations, performance and business prospects and opportunities. For detailed information about risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied, please refer to the disclaimer for forward-looking information contained in today's press release on file with the Canadian securities regulators and on our Form 6-K with the SEC. I would now like turn the call over to Michael to begin the conference.

Michael J. Smith

Management

Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen I appreciate you listening to our call this morning. And let me first summarize to you is that we had a great growth year in revenues, but a very disappointing year in bottom line profit. Our industry is a top line industry and I think the money that we have spent to obtain that is fine, but we now have to seriously get our margins higher, our GA cost is quite high; our SG&A for the year was $63 million versus $47 million the prior year. And the fourth quarter results were a loss, which predominantly a non-cash loss. But I would like to think its appropriate maybe Jim Carter to review that loss and give you some explanation as why the loss occurred. Jim.

James M. Carter

Management

Yes, thank you Michael. Essentially we realized an overall total net income per of $9.7 million, but unfortunately as Michael mentioned this was marred by a loss of approximately $12.6 million realized in the fourth quarter. Again, it should be noted that the adjustments leading to that loss , which were recorded in Q4 were of a non-cash nature and they are generally of a one-off type. They were the result of comprehensive reviews that we target out on different areas of our recent acquisition of MFC Energy which in area such as asset reclamation obligations, differed taxes, et cetera and these arose mainly from accounting methodology application. The corrections are summarized in total on the impairment and an impairment charge of $6.1 million, depreciation and depletion adjustments of $4.2 million and an adjustment to our differed tax assets of $4.9 million. So the grand total of these adjustments right in the quarter was $15.2 million. However, there were a number of positive items during the year as well; the company had realized EBITDA of $65 million in 2013 compared to $45 million in 2012; at year end we had working capital of $396 million, which was an increase of $60 million over the prior year. Our working capital ratio at December 31, 2013 was approximately $2.3 million and our equity per share was $11.18. Our long-term debt-to-equity ratio at that time was 0.27 and as well I would like to point out that at December 31, we had cash and cash equivalence of $334 million and credit facilities available to us aggregating $512 million. There are – there as well of some other items that should be taken into consideration when we talk about our results for the year. During 2013, we were severely impacted by the catastrophic flooding…

Michael J. Smith

Management

So Jim before we got to the question, let me just continue to review, I think there is a couple of more items in the energy side, we should talk together about. Let me go forward now and just bring you up-to-date on some of the present projects which we’re involved with and also some new projects and give you a flavor of where we’re going. One of the assets which we have always been a long-term asset, is a royalty from the Wabush in Newfoundland, the Wabush mine has been just recently being put on idle by the operator Cleveland-Cliffs and Cliffs Resources. We do anticipate some pain from them put again on idle, but we are working now to make it a long-term gain. Ours and other stakeholders are quite interested in the property, but we have strong contractual rights to the property and are discussing it with Cliffs and others. We have not taken an impairment on their property. We are receiving or we will be receiving if it doesn’t default, 3.25 minimum royalty per year and otherwise we get to take the property. So I would say, if I was analyzing it from your perspective, it’s a work in progress and we’ll be looking hard at it and the potential gains we see to be substantial in the future if we can achieve the rationalization of the asset. So that's Wabush, one of the nice things we’ve done this year, we have entered into a participation agreement to drill some wells in Canada with a very, very good operator, high quality operator and they are doing that now and the economic terms of it to us are very, very good. They pay all the costs and we get the right to look back, when we say…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Sven Karlen from Wells Fargo. Please proceed. Sven B. Karlen – Wells Fargo Advisors LLC: Good morning, Michael, it's Sven, how are you?

Michael J. Smith

Management

Good morning. Very well, thanks. Sven B. Karlen – Wells Fargo Advisors LLC: Could you give us some idea of the cost of the debt that you have put on to buy FESIL and Elsner?

Michael J. Smith

Management

We have not finished that costing, but we believe that costing will be in the area of 2.55%. Sven B. Karlen – Wells Fargo Advisors LLC: Okay. Thank you.

Michael J. Smith

Management

The tenure will be about seven years I would assume. Sven B. Karlen – Wells Fargo Advisors LLC: Seven years, okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Jeff Geygan from Milwaukee Private Wealth Management. Please proceed. Jeff R. Geygan – Milwaukee Private Wealth Management, Inc.: Good morning, Michael. Can you please update us on Pea Ridge?

Michael J. Smith

Management

It’s still proceeding and I didn’t really address it today, because I have nothing more new to tell you, except that we have no negative, I guess I could say that and we’re proceeding with the studies and its going along. Jeff R. Geygan – Milwaukee Private Wealth Management, Inc.: All right and as a follow-up, you didn’t mention anything about changes at the executive level; will there be such changes with your executive personnel?

Michael J. Smith

Management

I think there is going to be a lot of changes overall at MFC. We are lucky here, we’ve got some new – with these new acquisitions we’ve got some good senior management. This senior management were not entrepreneurially led, they were executives. So I always buy them when we acquire companies over the years, the ones who are entrepreneurs they never survive and you should probably let them go or have an agreement to let them go at the beginning. With FESIL and Elsner, we had senior executives and I see them to be a great complement for us and from my position, we are still looking to fill the CEO role and I’m hoping we can do that in the near future. Jeff R. Geygan – Milwaukee Private Wealth Management, Inc.: All right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your next question comes from the line of Joe Pratt from WFC Asset Management. Please proceed. Joe Pratt –: Hi good morning Michael.

Wells Fargo Advisors LLC

Analyst

Hi good morning Michael.

Michael J. Smith

Management

Good morning Joe. Joe Pratt –: Just in terms of the hedging, does this mean you are going to realize 4.39 in 2014 for your gas on an average compared to 3.46 in 2013.

Wells Fargo Advisors LLC

Analyst

Just in terms of the hedging, does this mean you are going to realize 4.39 in 2014 for your gas on an average compared to 3.46 in 2013.

Michael J. Smith

Management

Joe what happens in reality is that we either make it on the hedge or we make it on the industrial side on the production. So what is really nice here with 19 million – I have got a 19 million guarantee at 4.39, Jim says – what does that cost Jim, just [inaudible] $1.70...

James M. Carter

Management

Right now?

Michael J. Smith

Management

Yes.

James M. Carter

Management

Our cash cost per Mcf is – for 2013 – based on 2013 figures is 1.90 and our full cost inclusive of depletion, other non-cash costs whatever was 3.81.

Michael J. Smith

Management

So let’s just talk cash-to-cash, so I got $1.90 versus $4.39. I’m quite comfortable on natural gas. I wish I had a little bit more on the short side, but you didn’t want to chase it right and you want to get it so you’ll have a liquid position if you want to cover.

James M. Carter

Management

So that's here too, that’s CAD $4.90.

Michael J. Smith

Management

That’s right, we are talking – when I talk $4.39 I’m talking U.S. and as Jim is saying his lifting costs or his actual cash cost to get the gas out is Canadian. Joe Pratt –: Well, I guess I’m just doing a rough pencil thing, where if I look at 50 million cubic feet a day times or spread at $2x 365 days, I come up with what I recall manufacturing operating cash or manufacturing cash flow of say $35 million and in order to calculate on EBITDA I just don’t know what your overheads are. I’m trying to come up with an EBITDA in 2014 for Compton.

Wells Fargo Advisors LLC

Analyst

Well, I guess I’m just doing a rough pencil thing, where if I look at 50 million cubic feet a day times or spread at $2x 365 days, I come up with what I recall manufacturing operating cash or manufacturing cash flow of say $35 million and in order to calculate on EBITDA I just don’t know what your overheads are. I’m trying to come up with an EBITDA in 2014 for Compton.

Michael J. Smith

Management

Do you want to get back to Joe on that?

James M. Carter

Management

Yes, I think again, we would have to go look at our forecast on that and there are other factors that come in. Joe Pratt – Wells Fargo Advisors LLC: Okay. Well I can imagine you spend more than say $5 million on interest and $5 million on overheads, so that gets me down to an EBITDA north of $20 million, that’s just – I got – for the outside analysts using your SEC filings, I don’t believe there’s anyway to compute the EBITDA number for Compton in 2012, 2013 or projecting on for 2014?

Michael J. Smith

Management

I think one thing for sure Joe that the G&A at the Energy Group will certainly be more than $5 million. Joe Pratt – Wells Fargo Advisors LLC: Okay.

Michael J. Smith

Management

I mean substantially more than that. Joe Pratt – Wells Fargo Advisors LLC: Okay.

James M. Carter

Management

But when they will be…

Rene Randall

Analyst

Then they have royalties, royalties and everything else.

James M. Carter

Management

Yes.

Michael J. Smith

Management

And there’s no interest costs, Joe though . Joe Pratt – Wells Fargo Advisors LLC: Okay, got it. And then the second thing would be, do you want to comment on your commodity revenue, in 2013 it was about $700 million, how do you get it going to $1.06 billion or $1.07 billion?

Michael J. Smith

Management

With the two acquisitions, the turnover of FESIL and Elsner should be $700 million, $800 million without any growth.

Rene Randall

Analyst

The growth is not coming just from energy Joe, it’s coming from the acquisitions as well.

James M. Carter

Management

And it’s just a part of it. Joe Pratt – Wells Fargo Advisors LLC: Okay. Thank you very much.

James M. Carter

Management

All right.

Rene Randall

Analyst

You’re welcome. Joe Pratt – Wells Fargo Advisors LLC: Yes.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Okay. This concludes our question-and-answer session; I will now turn the conference back over to Michael Smith.

Michael J. Smith

Management

We seriously thank you very much for listening this morning and we encourage you to call with any other questions you have, call Rene Randall or ourselves and we would be more happy to respond in a quick way and we thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.