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Q2 2009 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 6, 2009

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to today's Millipore second quarter 2009 earnings conference call. As we know, all participants are in a listen-only mode and later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). As a reminder, the call is being recorded. So with that we'll turn the call over to our host, Joshua Young. Please go ahead, sir.

Joshua Young

Management

Thank you very much, Bob. Good evening. I would like to welcome you to Millipore's second quarter 2009 earnings conference call. My name is Joshua Young and I am the Director of Investor Relations for Millipore. Joining me on today's call are Martin Madaus, Chairman, President and CEO; and Charlie Wagner, Chief Financial Officer. In addition to the earnings release we issued earlier today, we will also be referencing a slide presentation as part of today's call. This presentation can be viewed by clicking on the webcast link on millipore.com homepage, or by accessing Millipore's Investor Relations website. A PDF copy of the slides will be posted to our website after the call. We will also be highlighting non-GAAP information. A reconciliation of our GAAP financials to our non-GAAP financial measures is included in our earnings release and posted on our website. Before we begin, I would like to make the usual Safe Harbor statement that during the course of this conference call, we will make forward-looking statements regarding future events or the financial performance of the company that involves risks and uncertainties. The company's actual results may differ materially from the projections described in such statements. Factors that might cause such differences include but are not limited to those discussed in today's earnings release and in our Form 10-K, as well as other subsequent SEC filings. Also note the following information is related to current business conditions and our outlook as of today, August 6, 2009. Consistent with our prior practice, we do not intend to update our projections based on new information, future events or other reasons prior to the release of our third quarter financial results. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Martin Madaus.

Martin Madaus

Management

Thanks, Joshua. Good evening, everybody and thank you for joining us on this call today. I am very pleased to report that Q2 was another very strong quarter for the company and we're well positioned to report a solid year of financing performance. Although the macro-economic environment remains challenging, we all know that our business continues to be resilient and our markets remain fundamentally healthy. I would summarize the key takeaways from our Q2 performance as follows. First, our Bioprocess division continues to sustain the recovery again last quarter. The division's growth was driven by large biotechnology customers in North America and Asia. After two straight quarters of solid performance the challenges division faced last year is really now behind us. Bioprocess is back to growth trajectory and will report a tracked performance in 2009. Second, the market for our Bioscience division remains a little bit more difficult as large pharma is consolidating their curtailing spending on research tools, services and as they sort out research priorities and prepare to integrate acquisitions. Additionally, it's a very weak environment for selling laboratory instrumentation which is adversely impacting our Lab Water business. The good news is that we're being less impacted than many of all other peer in this space. Most of our products are consumables and then are funded through capital budgets. Third, we continue to show solid operating leverage in the business. For our second straight quarter, we showed a nice improvement of profit margin and we expect to report healthy margin expansion for the full year. Fourth, our cash flow performance continues to be excellent. We generate approximately $53 million in free cash flow in the quarter and in the first six months, we generated a record $121 million of free cash flow. We are using this cash flow…

Charlie Wagner

Management

Thanks, Martin. I will now provide some additional details on the Q2 and year-to-date results and update our full year 2009 outlook. Beginning with the discussion of our GAAP performance in the second quarter, total revenues declined 1% from last year's second quarter excluding 6% unfavorable impact from changes in foreign exchange rates, revenues increased 5% in the quarter. This performance includes a 1% impact from our acquisition of Guava Technologies which we completed in February. Our GAAP operating margin increased slightly to 16.9% from 16.8% in Q2 2008 and our earning per share were $0.72 compared to $0.69 in Q2 2008. Our gross profit margin increased 40 basis points on a year-over-year basis. A positive foreign currency impact and the favorable impact of increased volume was offset by higher manufacturing consolidation charges and an unfavorable business mix due to the relatively weaker performance of Bioscience during the quarter. Our SG&A costs declined 3% on a year-over-year basis due to the favorable effects of foreign currency translation somewhat offset by higher incentive compensation costs and the addition of costs through the Guava acquisition. R&D costs increased 11% year-over-year as we made a number of investments to advance our innovation strategy in both divisions. We also incurred a number of milestone payments related to third-party R&D collaboration and the year-over-year includes the impact of Guava acquisition. From a geographic perspective, excluding the effects of foreign currency translation, our revenue growth in the Americas was the exact opposite of what we saw a year ago. Our revenues grew 11% in Q2 compared to an 11% decline in last year's second quarter. This growth was driven by the strong performance of our Bioprocess division in U.S. biotech accounts. We also saw a positive contribution from sales of our Guava Flow Cytometry Systems and…

Joshua Young

Management

Thank you. Bob, please assemble the Q&A roster.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Our first question is from the line of Jon Wood with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Jon Wood - Bank of America

Analyst

Martin, you increased your currency revenue guidance by about a 1.5. Can you give us a sense of what proportion of that is related to the [flu-build]? Is the flu-build a meaningful component of that raise? Also, have you made any changes to your internal projections for Biosciences?

Martin Madaus

Management

Yes, it's not whatever you call meaningful, it's a part of it, but there are some other dynamics in Bioprocess that also contribute to the improved performance overall for the year. So, flu production plays a role, but there are other parts that are also doing better overall. So, our revised revenue growth, excluding currency is 5% to 6% and we feel confident about that. Bioscience is suffering a bit more in the areas that I pointed out. We have a number of good trends too and we are counting also on a number of new products are coming up in the second half. So, Bioprocess actually (inaudible) little bit faster than bioscience.

Jon Wood - Bank of America

Analyst

Then any change or expected change in the process monitoring business given the manufacturing issues we have seen in the quarter? I mean do you expect that there will be any increased focus there going forward?

Martin Madaus

Management

Manufacturing issues? Which ones are you referring to?

Jon Wood - Bank of America

Analyst

I'm talking about the Genzyme issue.

Martin Madaus

Management

Yes, that's one drug, one company is really making any impact on that. That's actually happening quite a bit. Sometimes you hear about it. Sometimes you don't, but, no, it's not a significant impact.

Jon Wood - Bank of America

Analyst

Correct me if I'm wrong, you said that the Bioscience division was flat ex-Guava.

Martin Madaus

Management

Yes, that's correct.

Jon Wood - Bank of America

Analyst

But it was only 1% to the total company revenue gross. Is it just a rounding issue?

Charlie Wagner

Management

Yes.

Martin Madaus

Management

Yes. Rounding issue.

Jon Wood - Bank of America

Analyst

Then Charlie, any change the FX, I think you said negative $0.07 and negative $0.09 for the year. Any change to that?

Charlie Wagner

Management

For the year, foreign exchange will take less than $0.05 off of last year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Tycho Peterson with JPMorgan. Go ahead, please.

Tycho Peterson - JPMorgan

Analyst

Maybe just following up on some of the questions of Bioscience, I'm just trying to get a sense of pacing here. You talked a little bit about an improvement potentially in the second half, but I think you also said that pharma has some of the pressure in this quarter and obviously the pharma deals haven't closed yet. So, I'm lust wondering is your increased enthusiasm going to be a function of new product flow or are you taking in some academic uptick from stimulus? I'm just wondering also how you are thinking about the pace in the stimulus in the back half of the year.

Charlie Wagner

Management

So, when you dissect the different market segments and look at academia customers, those have continue to grow well and we think that will continue to support it also by some new products that we are bringing out. We also see continued very strong trends for the Bioscience division in China and some other markets in Asia, but that is all offset. At least in Q2, it was offset by pullback in pharma. So well in the second half what we see is continued strong performance in Academia, new products and geography will help us to deliver, I would say, a solid year for Bioscience for the full year. Stimulus, hard to say. There will be some impact, but I'm not in a position to say how exactly these moneys will be allocated. Where do they go? There is going to be some positive impact, but when and how is not necessarily something that we count on.

Tycho Peterson - JPMorgan

Analyst

Are you seeing any signs of maybe stabilization in Lab Water? I'm just wondering if that business could also pick up with some shared instrument grants and...

Martin Madaus

Management

Absolutely, very possible. Even in times when you say it's really a difficult market environment, this business is still holding up very well. We have a range of products that are very well accepted. As soon as there is more money available, I'm sure we'll get some impact from that in Lab Water.

Tycho Peterson - JPMorgan

Analyst

On the flow business, Guava, you have had it under your belt a couple quarters. Are you starting to see revenue synergies there and has that business been on track with your expectations when you acquired the company or has it exceeded?

Martin Madaus

Management

It's roughly on track. It's very good on the academic side. It's a little bit more impacted by pharma, but overall it's on track and we just launched actually the new next-generation system which was one of the main investments that we continued and that system has launched on time and is on track. It's being sold now. So, we are seeing good result. So, we are happy with it overall.

Tycho Peterson - JPMorgan

Analyst

Just one last one on R&D, you talked about stepping up investments in the back half of the year. Just broadly speaking, can you give us a sense as to whether the emphasis here is going to be on the Bioscience business or Bioprocess? Or if you can give any color on general...

Martin Madaus

Management

Yes, absolutely. This is very important part. I mean I strongly believe that we are in a position to invest in downturn which I think will help us in the long run. We are focusing in both divisions to drive innovation. So, examples would be disposable bioreactor, next-generation of flow cytometry, flow cytometry kits. chromatography, believe it or not is also a good field for us to expand. We are getting good feedback from our customers and then I don't know if you have seen it in our websites, we launched recently the [flex] ready system which is a new way to integrate disposal manufacturing and filters. Those are some examples. Did push in the Bioscience division with external partnerships and sourcing technology from other companies and that's also with some of the investment goals.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Marshall Urist with Morgan Stanley. Go ahead, please.

Marshall Urist - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

So one question, just if you could help us to understand a little bit more in kind of sequential demand trends in Bioprocess, given a similar kind of comp base and the difference in organic revenue growth, Q1 to Q2. Just could you help us to ease out, how much was the effective days impacted sequentially? Maybe if there was any kind of inventory restocking in the first quarter that you didn't see this quarter.

Martin Madaus

Management

You'll take that Charlie?

Charlie Wagner

Management

Yeah, Marshal, I understand why you want to look for sequential comparisons and appreciate the challenge. I would of all years, this is not a great year to draw conclusions from sequential comparisons. Obviously, we've seen quite a bit of fluctuation in demand in the Bioprocess business over the last six quarter with a decline last year, a strong performance in Q1, a very healthy performance in Q2. I just don't think it's all that fruitful to draw a sequential conclusions. What I can tell you, is that, the performance in Bioprocess is strong and is broad based. We certainly saw the rebound in the North American biotech that we talked about, but in general North America was very strong, in general Asia was very strong, Europe was definitely weaker in the second quarter. The other way to look at it, if you slice that across product lines, upstream, downstream, process monitoring, we saw healthy growth in all the product families as well. So what I think you should take away is that the growth in Bioprocess is pretty solid across the board and I think we're optimistic for a good second half as well.

Marshall Urist - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Could you quantify what the impact of flu was in the quarter for Bioprocess?

Charlie Wagner

Management

Our policy is not to quantify the impact of an individual drug or an individual event, because frankly it's just not that meaningful. So, it was mildly positive in the second quarter, probably have a slightly bigger impact in the second half, but it's among several things that are driving the business. We don't feel it's big enough to call out that it affects the growth rate of the division.

Marshall Urist - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

On gross margin, again, if you could just help us a little bit more detail in terms of what drove pretty impressive gross margin in the quarter and if with some of the negative mix that you talked about, did that offset currency? So what we're seeing is basically volume and productivity or what's the right way to think about that?

Charlie Wagner

Management

If you are looking at gross margin percentages, currency was the single biggest driver of the improvement, absolutely. Then there was some volume impact in the benefit of the various initiatives we've had going on for awhile. What went against that was the mix obviously with the Bioscience division, Drug Discovery and Lab Water businesses, which have high margin struggling in the quarter, that had a negative mix impact that offsets some of the currency and volume benefit.

Marshall Urist - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Then specifically within Bioprocess, because I know you guys had very favorable mix last quarter, did that moderate this quarter in terms of the actual mix within Bioprocess?

Charlie Wagner

Management

It did.

Marshall Urist - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

I appreciate the kind of more detail around your second half earnings expectations, but just one thing you didn't talk about was how you are thinking about gross margin for the second quarter, which would obviously be a pretty big swing factor. So how should we be thinking about that?

Charlie Wagner

Management

For the second half, you mean?

Marshall Urist - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Yes, second half.

Charlie Wagner

Management

We don't guide that specifically, so we will be looking at margin expansion for the full year absolutely but I can't get any more specific than that.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). We do have a question here from the line of Derik DeBruin with UBS. Go ahead please.

Derik DeBruin - UBS

Analyst

Can you just refresh my memory on how big the percentage of sales are in the Drug Discovery business and Lab Water business?

Martin Madaus

Management

For the total company, it's around 5% at Drug Discovery and Lab Water is about 19.

Charlie Wagner

Management

That's right. So, 5 and 19 there.

Derik DeBruin - UBS

Analyst

Just as you are kind of looking at stimulus money in that situation, are you peering or seeing anything in terms of like new lab construction. I mean are people putting some of that money is going to remodel it. Is it too early to know what they are going on it? Are you aware of anything, whether there has been major remodelings going on?

Martin Madaus

Management

In the U.S?

Derik DeBruin - UBS

Analyst

Yeah in the U.S. I guess globally too, as people spending money on stimulus packages around the world.

Charlie Wagner

Management

Yes, China, absolutely. There's definitely a lot of investment activity going on that geography in some other Asian markets too except for Japan it goes the other way. Stimulus, where you see activities in preparing grants are getting ready to spend that grant money. There's certainly activity there, but that's about it. It's hard to time it. My guess would be there is some positive impact in '09, but if you can't time that, then you shouldn't quantify and count on it.

Derik DeBruin - UBS

Analyst

You've did a big introduction of the new business and the other disposable product line. Have you seen any significant wins since you put those on people that have done designs of those products?

Martin Madaus

Management

You referring to the disposable, what we refer to as Mobius?

Derik DeBruin - UBS

Analyst

I mean, yes.

Martin Madaus

Management

Yes. We've seen the first wins of the new system, which is amazing, given that we just launched in the summer, usually of selling cycles longer and tremendous number of leads. We did a very strong promotional tour in U.S. and Europe. So we have a very large number of fleets. So we are in the process of following up on those and quantifying those. Off to a strong start, definitely.

Derik DeBruin - UBS

Analyst

Do you see SG&A trending higher in the second half of the year as well?

Charlie Wagner

Management

Yes, a little bit.

Derik DeBruin - UBS

Analyst

Little bit, okay. I think, I was really going to focus on the gross margin question, but Marshall beat me to that, so I will get back in the queue, thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Jon Groberg with Macquarie. Go ahead please.

Jon Groberg - Macquarie

Analyst

I mean it's going to focus a little bit more on the gross margin sequentially here. So, if you go from the first quarter to the second quarter and you look at currencies and kind of the impact, it was kind of comparable. Obviously, a lot of currencies moving in a lot of direction, but was this just more a function of kind of inventory accounting and how things kind of came out that caused this particular move in this quarter, because you mentioned some things were unfavorable like mix. So, maybe you can just tease out a little bit more of the sequential improvement?

Charlie Wagner

Management

Yes, it's Q1 versus Q2. Again, sequential comparisons of gross margin are really not that meaningful, honestly. There is so many factors that effected beyond currency. If you look at last year, Q2 has proven to be a pretty strong gross margin quarter for us the last year or two. So we saw the same pattern last year. Again, a variety of factors, but in this quarter as I mentioned the strength was driven first and foremost by currency. Somewhat by volume and operating improvements offset by mix.

Jon Groberg - Macquarie

Analyst

If I just looked at the numbers, right, Bioscience and Bioprocess were almost identical in terms of revenues in 1Q versus 2Q. The actual revenue number was about actually the same as well. So, I'm just trying to parse it out a little bit more. I guess you would expect, obviously, the impact of currency to wear-off in the second half of the year, you'd probably expect some of those margins to revert back to maybe some improvement, but not the kind of improvement you have seen here for the first half.

Charlie Wagner

Management

Right. Yeah. Exactly, right.

Jon Groberg - Macquarie

Analyst

I know you are not giving very detailed guidance, so if you can just help seeing Q3 versus Q4? Can you just talk maybe on the days missed? On the Bioscience division, you kind of understand how people are using these things on a daily basis and how that could impact that business? In the Bioprocess, do people order like that on a daily basis as well or are these orders are bit more lumpy, and so it's not as clear...

Charlie Wagner

Management

Exactly.

Jon Groberg - Macquarie

Analyst

…fewer days will do.

Charlie Wagner

Management

Yes, so it's not a daily replenishment sort of business, it's more lumpy as you descried and orders tend to be larger. They could be $1 million orders. So if those happen to fall in the days that are gone, it's much harder to estimate into our process the impact of a few more days or a few less days.

Jon Groberg - Macquarie

Analyst

So, you think of that and you think about your sentiment that Bioprocess is going to be strong after what you've seen in the first half even though your comps start to get more difficult. Can you maybe describe what some of other things are? So, you mentioned flu, but then you keep saying there are some other things as well that are giving you that confidence. Can you maybe just talk about what those are?

Martin Madaus

Management

It's the business of monoclonal antibodies production, the majority of it is doing quite well and it's fueled by our adoption of the new products that we launched in the last two years. These products are getting spectrum used in routine, used in scrub and pat dry, so lot of the additional growth certainly not coming from classical pharma. [Gains is] on top and then geography, I did not know if you recall that we talked about investment in Singapore and with that new center we have, we have really a new capability to go after business and build a quite a meaningful Asia growth engine, which is good?

Jon Groberg - Macquarie

Analyst

So I guess going beyond that question, Martin, as you know, we've been asking for a long time, is there anything you've done or anything you're doing to give you more visibility for that business? You sound like you're more confident, but obviously on the days issues you don't how things may or may not fall, but has that changed or there is nothing you have really done with your customers that gives you more comfort in terms of your ability to forecast. It's just more general trends that you are seeing.

Martin Madaus

Management

I think I have higher visibility and higher confidence in forecasting a year given that 2008 was really difficult, but I think we have much more information for an annual period. Quarterly period will remain challenging because one example would be, you get a big order and you can count on that order, but then it will be delivered at certain dates in the future and that depends on what the customer needs and how they run their production. So that inherently, it's not in your control. So, we go back to the molecules. How many molecules are being launched? How many of those can we cover? What's the percentage of those molecules that we can win? So based on these fundamental trends, we're pretty confident about this year and the outlook also in that business. We tightened this up as much as we can to buffer the quarterly fluctuations, but believe me, this is a good business for us and we have a very strong position.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Rob Hawkins with Stifel Nicolaus. Go ahead, please.

Robert Hawkins - Stifel Nicolaus

Analyst

Can we speak maybe a little bit about the stem cells and where you are seeing the opportunity there, I know you guys have been signing a few more partnerships this quarter along those lines. It seems to be a bit of a departure from (inaudible) antibody side of things and so can you kind of maybe spend a little bit time talking about the opportunity?

Martin Madaus

Management

Stem cells for us is today in research that's where a lot of the additional effort is being done in many labs around the world and we are developing better tools, better reagents, better media, better devices that work in this field. That's our business today. There is quite a high need to develop better tools that standardize the whole field of stem cell research. Further out, there are some companies that are starting very early small scale clinical trials for therapeutic stem cells and obviously company like us is extremely well positioned to take advantage of that more long-term trend as we also need new tools, new products to develop therapeutic stem cells, but that's more of 5 or 6 years on.

Robert Hawkins - Stifel Nicolaus

Analyst

Along the disposable lines, the new Mobius, do you have issues with like the FDA and standard operating procedures being kind of tied to old technologies and is that much of the barrier for you? Then I guess maybe along with stem cell lines by going into newer lines and maybe FDA hasn't seen before, I mean is that where the opportunity becomes for stuff like Mobius or maybe other processes or tied order technologies.

Martin Madaus

Management

Within Mobius, you have [sets] of products that are ready, are being used today in production. So the adoption barrier is not as high, but you are right...

Charlie Wagner

Management

The question was around the adoption of Mobius. Mobius is initially targeted at the process development lab, where with customers need a simpler way to scale that production and that's where the market is today. As they scale up, the product will also over time move up into smaller scale production. At this point, it's not designed for full scale production. At that scale you still need other products, but of course we are thinking the future and will develop product for that large scale as well.

Operator

Operator

Thank you so much. Next question from Isaac Ro from Leerink Swann. Go ahead please.

Isaac Ro - Leerink Swann

Analyst

Just wondering first of on M&A, I'm wondering which side of the business would have maybe a bigger pipeline of potential candidates, is it Bioscience or Bioproduction?

Martin Madaus

Management

It in Bioscience. We target a larger market with more diverse technologies and more company, so, clearly Bioscience.

Isaac Ro - Leerink Swann

Analyst

With that sort of also imply, kind of where you think you'll make more investments in the near term? Or do you see better opportunities to capture some growth in Bioprocess?

Martin Madaus

Management

Well, we look in both areas, but the universe of opportunity is much large in Bioscience. So the chances that we do something in Bioscience is much higher.

Isaac Ro - Leerink Swann

Analyst

On the pharmaceutical end market, it's obviously a difficult environment but there have been a couple of companies that have cited stable growth sequentially in the second quarter. So, I'm wondering beyond sort of the capital budgets being tighter, was there something maybe specific to some of the other customers you serve or thoughts along those lines that might have made the end market a little more difficult for you this quarter?

Martin Madaus

Management

I would point out Drug Discovery where we had in Q2 2008 very good result and good growth and as projects are being delayed or canceled, that's where you see a lot of the short-term impact. We do believe that they will come back eventually. Pharmaceuticals companies live and die by the quality of their pharmaceutical development pipeline. We have a range of good services that will be needed, but we are going through an adjustment phase there.

Isaac Ro - Leerink Swann

Analyst

Just last one on the Japan end market, specifically, you know I've heard that there is some actually pretty considerable stimulus funds emerging that are pretty short-term in nature this year and next year. So, I'm wondering if you expect some of the weakness that you see in this year that is persistent in next year or could you see some improvement in 2010?

Martin Madaus

Management

Well, we think the worse is behind us in Japan and that's a hopeful statement, but there are some signs that this may help in Q3 and Q4. It's been very brutal when you look at GDP growth in Japan and the impact it had on the electronic and the industrial business. So I think it was the worst we've seen. So there is some glimmer of hope that this will improve in Q3 and Q4, but we have to see it.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). We do have a question here from the line of Chris Pohl with Thomas Weisel Partners. Go ahead please.

Chris Pohl - Thomas Weisel Partners

Analyst

I was wondering if you could talk about any trends that you are seeing as far as academic researchers, potentially holding back until they get their grants funded or at least until they see what their break points are in the grant scores that they have received.

Charlie Wagner

Management

I don't see any trends along those lines. I wouldn't know. Haven't heard that.

Chris Pohl - Thomas Weisel Partners

Analyst

Anything that you saw in any markets as far as consumables being de-stocked or have you moved passed that or was that ever an issue for you guys?

Charlie Wagner

Management

That's not so much an issue for us. I heard one of these distribution companies commenting on that. Not really an impact for us. Our inventories are small and a lot of our business is still predominantly direct so a very little impact.

Chris Pohl - Thomas Weisel Partners

Analyst

Just one last question. Sorry to come back to the flu topic, but just as far as trends go for (inaudible) manufacturers buy from your company or from any company. Do they buy in large quantities in the beginning when they're kind of develop the vaccine or do they incrementally add as the vaccine kind of progresses into the clinical trial and then the full commercial launch?

Martin Madaus

Management

Well, usually they would give you a large order and then you would work on a plan, how you execute the order. So in terms of revenue impact, it's more gradual because you recognize the revenue as we ship the product. So, it's a gradual increase that hopefully we will have a pandemic but if that happens, it could be quite substantial.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that's all the time we have allotted for today's call. So, we will turn that conference back over to Martin Madaus. Please go ahead.

Martin Madaus

Management

So, thank you for joining us this evening. I'm happy to report our second straight strong quarter and I'm confident that Millipore is back on track towards accelerating revenue growth and profitability. We will be attending four investor conference during the third quarter and hope that we have a chance to interact with many of you at these venues presenting at the Thomas Weisel, Morgan Stanley and UBS conference in United States and at the Bank of America-Merrill Lynch conference in London. If you are interested in meeting with us, please contact Joshua. Thank you for your attention this evening and good night.

Operator

Operator

Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude your conference for today. Thanks for your participation and you can now disconnect.