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SunPower Inc. (SPWR)

Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 2, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Welcome, and thank you for standing by for the SunPower's Earnings Call. We would also like to inform you that this call is being recorded. And if you have any objections you may now disconnect. And now, I would like to turn the call over to the host of today's call, Vice President of Investor Relations, Bob Okunski. Thank you and you may begin.

Bob Okunski - SunPower Corp.

Management

Thank you, Chris. I'd like to welcome everyone to our third quarter 2017 earnings conference call. On the call today, we will start off with a strategic and operational review from Tom Werner, our CEO followed by Chuck Boynton, our CFO, who will review our third quarter 2017 financial results. Tom will then discuss our outlook for Q4 and 2017. As a reminder, a replay of this call will be available later today on the Investor Relations page of our website. During today's call, we will make forward-looking statements that are subject to various risks and uncertainties that are described in the Safe Harbor slide of today's presentation, today's press release, our 2016 10-K and our quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. Please see those documents for additional information regarding those factors that may affect these forward-looking statements. To enhance this call, we have posted a set of PowerPoint slides, which we will reference during this call, on the Events & Presentations page of our Investor Relations website. In the same location, we have posted a supplemental data sheet detailing some of our historical metrics as well. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Tom Werner, CEO of SunPower, who will begin on slide 3. Tom?

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Thanks, Bob, and thank you for joining us today. On this call, we will review our third quarter 2017 financial performance and report on progress against our strategic initiatives. I will also provide some perspective on the Section 201 trade case. Strong Q3 execution enabled us to exceed our revenue, margin and adjusted EBITDA financial forecast. We also surpassed our planned Q3 cash generation and further delevered the balance sheet by reducing project level debt by approximately $80 million. I'll start with an update on our three segments. Please turn to slide 4 for a review of our residential business. We executed well on residential. ASPs are stable and demand for our industry-leading Equinox complete solution in the U.S. remained strong while our X-Series ramp in the EU is on plan. In the U.S., we saw a slight increase in lease mix in the quarter. The overall mix remains in line with the expectation. As mentioned last quarter, our new homes business is doing quite well as we saw record deployments and strong bookings during Q3. Outside of the U.S., we again exceeded plan in both Europe and Japan as demand in pricing in both markets remain favorable. We believe we gained share in all of our key residential markets during the quarter. Looking forward, we expect a solid demand profile and stable ASPs in all markets in the balance of the year. Moving on to commercial. Please turn to slide 5. We have been increasing our investment in the commercial segment over the past two years. We are pleased with the results of these investments, which have driven strong customer adoption of our Helix complete solution in the U.S. and enabled us to expand our global commercial sales footprint. The Helix platform significantly decreases installation time and reduces the…

Charles D. Boynton - SunPower Corp.

Management

Thanks, Tom, and good afternoon. I will first review our third quarter results and then discuss certain financial highlights for the quarter. I will then turn the call back over to Tom for our guidance. Please turn to slide 10. We're pleased to exceed our forecast while continuing our restructuring programs and prudently managing cash and working capital. Our non-GAAP revenue was above guidance as we executed well in all segments. In power plants, we continue to build projects for Q4 delivery while benefiting from the early sale of our 69-megawatt Gala project as well as the sale of our El Pelicano Switch Station in Chile. In our DG business, we saw solid performance in residential, while commercial exceeded plan as we completed a number of projects including our 9-megawatt Toyota project. We expect this strength to continue in commercial in the fourth quarter as our direct business is fully booked for the quarter. Overall, our non-GAAP gross margin was approximately 13% as we benefited from strong performance in our factories, a stable pricing environment and solid execution in both power plant and commercial, specifically by segment. Q3 power plant margins remain challenging, though up sequentially. However, we expect a very strong Q4 with the sale of our El Pelicano project in Chile. Non-GAAP commercial margins improved sequentially to 16% due to the sale of a handful of larger higher margin projects. We expect strong margins to continue in Q4 as well. In residential, margins increased versus Q2 as we benefited from a better seasonal environment and stable pricing. Europe and Japan were, again, ahead of plan. In North America, cash and loan sales were 63% of our shipments, while 37% were leased. Overall, we deployed 86 megawatts of residential products globally, in line with our forecasts. Lease bookings were…

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Thanks, Chuck. I would now like to discuss our guidance for the fourth quarter as well as our fiscal year 2017 outlook. Please turn to slide 12. Our fourth quarter 2017 guidance includes the sale of the company's 100-megawatt El Pelicano project as well as the accelerated completion of certain projects originally scheduled for Q4. Fourth quarter 2017 GAAP guidance is as follows: revenue of $635 million to $685 million, gross margin of 6.5% to 8.5% and a net loss of $80 million to $55 million. Fourth quarter 2017 guidance includes the impact of the company's HoldCo asset strategy, revenue and timing deferrals due to real estate accounting as well as the impact of charges related to the company's restructuring initiatives. On the non-GAAP basis, company expects revenue of $800 million to $850 million, gross margin of 13% to 15%, EBITDA of $75 million to $100 million and megawatts deployed in the range of 420 to 450 megawatts. For 2017, we expect revenue of $1.85 billion to $1.9 billion on a GAAP basis and $2.1 billion to $2.15 billion on a non-GAAP basis, with gigawatts deployed in the range of 1.37 to 1.4 gigawatts. The balance of the company's fiscal year 2017 guidance remains essentially unchanged. Non-GAAP operational expenses of $330 million to $340 million and GAAP restructuring charges of $20 million to $60 million. Now we expect lower capital expenditures for the year and in the range of $100 million to $120 million. Additionally, the company continues to expect to generate positive operating cash flows through the end of fiscal year 2017 and to exit the year with approximately $300 million in cash, excluding any proceeds from the potential divestiture of non-core assets. Finally, we expect adjusted EBITDA for the year to be in the range of $165 million to $190 million. With that, I would like to turn the call over for questions.

Operator

Operator

First question comes from Tyler Frank from Baird. Your line is now open. Tyler Charles Frank - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Private Wealth Management): Hi. Thanks for taking the question. And nice quarter, guys. I guess, to start, can you just discuss where you think your cash balance would be at the end of the year? And do you think that you've hit a bottom in terms of the overall market and where you think the company performance will be heading into 2018? And then, as a follow-up, could you discuss where you're at with P-Series right now? And how we should expect that to ramp in Q4 and then throughout next year as well? Thank you.

Charles D. Boynton - SunPower Corp.

Management

Thanks, Tyler. This is Chuck. I'll take the first part on the cash side. So, we expect to end the year at approximately $350 million in cash and of course, the number could be quite a bit higher. But we're expecting $350 million would be our target consistent with our prior guidance.

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

In terms of performance in where we see sort of a cycle, Q3 and Q4, a little hard to use as the baseline for where things are going, because we still have self-developed power plant projects that are in the numbers, particularly Gala and El Pelicano. If I exclude those, I would say directionally your question is – the nature of your question, is it bottom, is we think it can be with the exception that each year, the first half of the year is seasonally less strong than the back half of the year, particularly in the residential and commercial channels. So, excluding seasonality, I think the answer would be, yes. I think we're well positioned on, because we're focused on residential or commercial and we focused our SunPower Solutions in the international markets and we reduced our focus on self-developed power plant projects that we really like that profile going into 2018, so we think we benefit from that. In terms of P-Series, the ramp in Mexico is going really well. We have, I think it's four lines running and so the automation, the hypothesis of what we bought works. And we expect volumes next year to be north of what we produced in our Fab 4 in the Philippines. So, it will be a meaningful part of our mix in 2018. Tyler Charles Frank - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Private Wealth Management): Great. Thank you. And just to clarify, the $350 million ending cash balance, that's not including the sale of (25:23), is that correct?

Charles D. Boynton - SunPower Corp.

Management

That's correct. Yeah, that would not be considered in our ending cash number. Tyler Charles Frank - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. (Private Wealth Management): Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Lee. Brian Lee - Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess, first off, could we, Chuck, can you quantify the impact on a dollar basis of the project pull-ins in 3Q, just how much came out of the fourth quarter here? And then, not to nitpick, but overall revenue for 2017, your non-GAAP guidance it's down a smidge at the midpoint, is that coming out of residential, which was a bit softer, I think than we might have been anticipating? Are there project delays or cancellations in the power plant business? Just trying to reconcile a bit here what the moving pieces might be.

Charles D. Boynton - SunPower Corp.

Management

Yeah. Thank you, Brian. So first, we had a great quarter in Q3. We have been building a couple of very large projects and we wanted to de-risk Q4. Our teams performed exceptionally well. And as a result, we recognized about $150 million of projects in Q3 that we thought might be not finished until Q4. So, the great news is this acceleration has protected our quarter and our year and now we can focus on the projects in Q4. The overall revenue, we tightened the range for the year now that we have good visibility for the balance of Q4. And we did bring revenue down a bit. As we said before that we're focused more on cash and earnings than on top-line revenue. The megawatts are roughly in line with our plan. We did push out Mexico to improve the overall economics and so that has brought revenue down, but an improved profitability and has been a benefit to the P&L and the balance sheet. Brian Lee - Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC: Okay, great. No, I appreciate that color. And then, just my follow-up is on the strengths in the solutions bookings, the 500 megawatts you talked about. Can you give us some color on the geographic mix? Is it all France? I know there's a lot of France in there. And then, also some color on the cadence of deliveries between 2018 and 2019, we should expect and then any comments you're able to make on the margin profile for those volumes versus other segments? Thank you.

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Sure. This is Tom. So, SunPower Solutions did lay the baseline. It is growing quite rapidly, and to make sure we're all on the same page. The idea is to sell their complete capability to build a solar power plant including automated design. And the complete tracker plus the module. And we're benefiting between 4 gigawatts and 5 gigawatts of power plants that we've built. And it grew almost 70% quarter-on-quarter. So, it's performing as we expected. When we built this business, we had in mind that the power plant business was increasingly a global business [and its stats are very interesting. A few years ago, you could be in five markets and you'd be in 80% of the market, going forward, that looks like more like 40%. And so, SunPower Solutions looks more like 40%. So we're in 30 countries in Q3. And I think that will increase. We're seeing particular strength in the Far East. And we see positive traction in South America actually. So, that will be largely a global international business and we expect France to be less than the third of the volume next year. In terms of margin profile, think of this business like in equipment business, so you're going to have low OpEx, moderate margins and so we expect it will be accretive or at least on the bottom line to be positive. But remember, that scale gives us benefit in the other two businesses as well. And it allows us to ramp products like the P-Series that we can leverage in the rooftop business. Brian Lee - Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC: All right. Thanks, guys. I'll pass it on.

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Vishal Shah.

Vishal B. Shah - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Tom, how will the mix look like (30:09) power plant, commercial and residential? And also, what's your longer-term run rate, OpEx (30:21)? Thank you.

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Okay. Vishal, you were breaking up a little. But, I'm going to answer your question and then feel free to just jump back or reiterate parts of it that I might have missed. First, in terms of mix in the businesses, I'll just make some broad comments because I didn't totally get it. In terms of module mix, I think it would be fair to estimate P and X being roughly spud equally going forward. And P being primarily out of Mexico. In terms of the mix between the business units, SunPower Solutions will grow quite significantly from 2017 to 2018 and will represent a much greater percentage of the mix next year. However, we see growth in commercial and residential with residential – I'm sorry, with commercial growing to 15% to 20%, as I said in my prepared remarks. In terms of OpEx and R&D, some comments there, we've reduced OpEx about $70 million so far this year. By virtue of continuing the focus of the business, on the residential, commercial and SunPower Solutions businesses by simplifying our P&L, we think we'll further reduce that OpEx and we're thinking in the range of $300 million to $310 million and I would consider that a ceiling. As we look at long-term profitability of the business, we get the benefit of the four investments, the focus on those three businesses and the decrease in OpEx. And that's how we see the cross-over point towards the back-end of next year. Also, Vishal, if I missed something, just try it again, please?

Vishal B. Shah - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

No. This is helpful. Thank you, Tom. Just one more follow-up. As you think about some of the other services you're providing, just help us understand how we should be modeling the company going forward. For X amount of module capacity, how much incremental revenue you can generate from all the other services and solutions offerings that you have in place?

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

All right. I'll take a pass at that and I might come back later to talk more about this and I appreciate the question. So, for services, the first place we're seeing on the combination of a solar system plus services will make a meaningful differences in our commercial business, in that business a year ago virtually none of our bids included storage. And as everyone knows, I believe that we've started to install solar systems with storage. Next year, we have $60 million of pipeline and up to half of our projects in commercial will have storage. That is just the beginning, because as your question alludes to, we can do more than just storage. In 2018, I think I'll get the number for later in the call. I think that'll be a smallest percentage of our revenue. It will be at harder margin, so it's a good profile. And we expect to expand that capability to the residential business as well. And so, 2018, increasing dramatically throughout the year on estimating in terms of revenue and contribution, very low double digits. But going into 2019, it can make a much bigger difference and again, I'll calibrate that probably later in the call.

Vishal B. Shah - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Krish Sankar. Your line is now open.

Chirag Odhav - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Hi. This is Chirag Odhav on for Krish. Could you give some clarity on where your cost in ASPs stand for P-Series channels relative to some Chinese competitors? And separately you spoke a little bit about the Section 201 case. If you were unable to exclude yourselves from tariffs, is there any potential to shift some P-Series manufacturing into the U.S.?

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

This is Tom. So, first on P-Series cost. P-Series is higher efficiency and higher watts per panel than the majority of the market. Therefore, commands a premium, but it commands a premium less than our P, X and E-Series and think a premium of anywhere from 10% to 20%. Our costs on it are still being projected because we're on a very steep part of the ramp. As we think of more steady state, we think our costs will not be proportionally higher. Therefore, we expect reasonable margins on P-Series. Again, the business model for P-Series will mostly be part of our equipment sales, therefore, it's low OpEx and reasonable margins. And I can talk more about that if you want to ask more. In terms of 201, so we're really devoting a lot of resources to look at what options makes sense. And I think the important thing to note here is, that there is the ITC recommendation which will be formalized on November 13. There is the interagency process which there is a public hearing on December 6, and they'll issue a report, call it somewhere close to 60 days from now to the President. Both of those are inputs to the President, the President on January 12, unless he extends it, will make his own decision. So we're not going to make any significant changes to our supply chain until we hear from the President on January 12. We will be prepared for various options. You are right, P-Series gives us more flexibility, it's lower CapEx and faster to ramp. But that does not necessarily mean that that's what we'll do, but does have those attributes.

Chirag Odhav - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Colin Rusch. Your line is now open. Colin Rusch - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.: Thanks so much, guys and thanks for the color on the Equinox traction through the end of the year. But, I'm curious about what the bookings look like as we go on to 2018 and what the pricing dynamics are as you look out into next year with that product and what the competitive landscape is shaping up for you guys as you go into next year.

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

All right. So, I'll take that question on, specific to your question in residential, we see pricing continue to be stable for our Equinox solution which is good news, because we have a best in line overall market in residential and that says to me that we're increasing share maybe moderately. And so, our Equinox solution as you alluded to in your question, the percent attach rate is really important and it's quite high and is a significant differentiator. We're seeing strength in Q3 that's moving into Q4. And, if I had to project 2018 which obviously we're not prepared to guide yet, but if I could project 2018, I'd say it's going to be a good year for North American residential for SunPower. I think we'll some growth, but that will be in the back half of the year, it will be seasonal. I will comment on overall demand. Our commercial business is growing in a also in line market. We're adding capability there. The commercial teams doing a great job at SunPower. And we're going to 2018 with certainly more than half of the year already booked. Perhaps, it's essentially more than that. Pricing is similarly in line in that business. SunPower Solutions is growing quite rapidly and we're seeing a lot of demand in SunPower Solutions, but we're being careful as to what we book, so that, one we have flexibility depending on what happens with 201 and 202, it's a very early stage business. It's forming its business model and we want to let it mature, so to speak, in a way that we can manage without over committing it. So, we see really strong business in SunPower Solutions, but we're being selective about what we book. Colin Rusch - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.: Great. And then, my follow-up is around your battery cell supply. Can you talk about how many suppliers you're working with? And what you're seeing from them in terms of pricing? And how well are you going to be able to monetize margins as we go into next year? We're seeing pretty aggressive price declines from some of your competitors in terms of pricing. And want to see just really what the dynamics are around that from a margin profile for you guys and the diversity of supply that you can leverage in terms of managing costs?

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

All right. So, in terms of battery suppliers, predominantly we're buying from two sources. We have brought from as many – two others, so it's as many as four qualified. But as we look forward, we've focused on two suppliers. And your question is exactly spot on, pricing for storage has come down significantly this year and what that's done is, it's opened up more states in America where the addition of the storage – and I would say, I would put that as a few more states with storage is economic. The margins are accretive to our commercial margins, but I think five points or something like that, not some other number, in terms of approximately. Now, that's very much in flux, because the storage capabilities allow you to do more than just battery backup, in-demand charge elimination and so these markets will evolve. So, they'll be more capability and then we would expect to potentially expand. But, to your core question, storage cost or pricing just to SunPower and then presumably cost have come down dramatically this year, opening up a few more states and that's why we see half of our pipeline have storage attached to it. Colin Rusch - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.: Great. Thanks very much, guys.

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

Okay. Thank you. And we're going to one more question.

Operator

Operator

And our last question comes from Pavel Molchanov. Your line is now open. Pavel S. Molchanov - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: Thanks, guys. Just one from me, you've been highlighting your status as a U.S.-based company in your arguments regarding the trade case, but the fact that you're also manufacturing enough in an FTA country, Mexico, obviously, do you think that's going to have an effect regardless of whether your U.S. domicile perhaps is not as impactful?

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

So, I'll answer your question and then I want to expand a little bit. The answer is, that one of four of the commissioners cited that, that was Broadbent and she cited at least 720 megawatts that would be carved out of the quota. And SunPower was one of the most significant producers in the period of interest. So, the answer is, there is some traction already. And yes, we're talking to the agencies that are part of the interagency group about that. And I think there is some traction. I think where there's more traction with some agencies is the fact that, as cited by Broadbent as well is the tariffs are in response to the – and I'm not saying this is the case, but what was written in the Broadbent communication was that, the tariffs are for subsidized Chinese companies and the hypothesis is, they've moved to other countries. And therefore need to put tariffs on those countries. Obviously, SunPower is an American company. It's not subsidized by anybody. We just happen to be producing in the countries where some other companies have moved, so putting a tariff on SunPower doesn't make any chance. It's not consistent with what – is trying to be accomplished. That discussion were – or at least that communication has been acknowledged is making sense. Now, whether or not that ends up making a difference on January 12 will be up to the President, so a little more color than your question suggested. Pavel S. Molchanov - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.: All right. Appreciate it.

Thomas H. Werner - SunPower Corp.

Management

All right. Great. Thanks, everybody, for joining our call today. We look forward to our next call, which will be, most likely after the President has made his decisions. So we'll have great clarity when we speak next. Thank you.