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SiriusPoint Ltd. (SPNT)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 26, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Third Point Reinsurance fourth quarter 2015 earnings conference call. [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Christopher Coleman, Chief Financial Officer for Third Point Reinsurance. Please go ahead, sir.

Christopher Coleman

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Welcome to the Third Point Reinsurance Limited earnings call for the fourth quarter of 2015. Last night we issued an earnings press release, which is available on our website www.thirdpointre.bm. A replay of today's conference call will be available until March 04, 2016, by dialing the phone numbers provided in earnings press release and through our website following this call. Leading today's call will be John Berger, Chairman and CEO of Third Point Re. But before we begin, please note that management believes certain statements in this teleconference might constitute forward-looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements include statements about expectations, estimates and assumptions concerning future events and financial performance of the company and are subject to significant uncertainties and risks that could cause current plans, anticipated actions and the company's future financial condition and results to differ materially from expectations. Those uncertainties and risks include those disclosed in the company's filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Forward-looking statements speak only as of the date they are made and the company assumes no obligation to update or revise them in light of new information, future events or otherwise. In addition, management will refer to certain non-GAAP measures, such as diluted book value per share, which management believes allow for a more complete understanding of the company's financial results. A reconciliation of these measures to the most comparable GAAP measure is presented in the company's earnings press release. At this time, I will turn the call over to John Berger. John?

John Berger

Analyst

Thanks, Chris. Good morning and thank you for taking the time to join our fourth quarter 2015 earnings call. In addition to Chris Coleman, Chief Financial Officer of Third Point Re; with me today are Rob Bredahl, President and Chief Operating Officer of Third Point Re; and Daniel Loeb, CEO of Third Point LLC, our investment manager. On today's call, I will provide an overview of our financial results, Daniel will discuss the performance of our investment portfolio, and then Chris will discuss our financial results in more detail. We will then open the call up for your questions. For the fourth quarter, we reported net income of $42.2 million or $0.39 per diluted share compared to a net loss of $14.7 million or a $0.14 loss per diluted share in the prior-year period. We generated a return of 2.8% on our investment portfolio in the latest quarter compared to a negative return of 0.4% in last year's fourth quarter. Our investment manager, Third Point LLC, bounced back in the latest quarter from the difficult third quarter of 2015, in which the S&P 500 Index had its largest decline since our formation more than four years ago. Daniel Loeb will discuss our investment returns in greater detail in just a few moments. Our diluted book value per share increased by 3.2% in the quarter to $12.85. With an invested asset to equity ratio of 1.5% and investment portfolio that exceeded $2 billion at the end of the quarter, our return on equity exceeded our investment return, despite the fact that we generated an underwriting loss of $9.2 million in our property and casualty segment in the quarter and produced a combined ratio of 106.9%. For the full year, our combined ratio was 104.7%. The underwriting loss and elevated combined ratio…

Daniel Loeb

Analyst

Thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. The Third Point Reinsurance investment portfolio, managed by Third Point LLC, returned 2.8% in the fourth quarter of 2015, net of season expenses versus returns for the S&P and CS event-driven indices of 7% and minus-2.3% respectively for the quarter. The Third Point Reinsurance account represents approximately 13% of assets managed by Third Point LLC. The market volatility that began during the third quarter remained through yearend and has continued thus far in 2016. During the second half of 2015, we repositioned our equity portfolio by further concentrating our long investments and adding additional short positions, capturing alpha on both sides of the portfolio, while reducing overall net exposure. Our five largest portfolio positions were our top winners for the fourth quarter. The Third Point equity portfolio returned 7% on average exposure in Q4, roughly in line with the markets with significantly less exposure risk. Healthcare and industrials and commodities were our strongest performing sectors. Our sovereign credit book returned 16.3% on average exposure during the quarter. Performance was driven by returns from our largest credit position, Argentinean government debt. Our corporate credit book lost 3.8% on weighted average exposure in Q4, primarily due to investments in energy-related debt. Slight gains in our distressed portfolio were more than offset by losses in our performing credit positions. We've had only moderate exposure to corporate credit exposure for the past several years, but we expect this to increase in 2016. The Third Point structured credit portfolio was down 80 basis points in Q4, the only negative quarter for the strategy last year. Our structured credit portfolio returned 16.4% on average exposure in 2015, handily outpacing the HSN hedge fund mortgage index returns of 3.7% for the same period. We have continued to diversify our portfolio beyond residential mortgages, which have driven returns since the financial crisis. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Chris, to discuss our financial results.

Christopher Coleman

Analyst

Thank you, Daniel. As John mentioned, we reported net income of $42.2 million or $0.39 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2015 compared to a net loss of $14.7 million or a $0.14 loss per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2014. Our diluted book value per share increased by 3.2% in the quarter to $12.85. For the year ended December 31, 2015, we recorded a net loss of $87.4 million compared to net income of $50.4 million in the year ended December 31, 2014. In our Property and Casualty Reinsurance segment, gross premiums written decreased by $154.6 million or 61% to $99.2 million for the quarter ended December 31, 2015, from $253.8 million for the quarter ended December 31, 2014. The decrease in premiums written was primarily due to contracts that did not have comparable renewal premium in the three months ended December 31, 2015, and one contract that was not renewed. Gross premiums written increased by $101.2 million or 17% to $702.5 million for the full year ended December 31, 2015, compared to the year ended December 31, 2014. The increase in premiums for the full year was due to new business written in Bermuda, including one new reserve cover and new business written by our U.S. office, where we have seen additional opportunities as a result of our physical presence in the U.S. The increase in premiums in 2015 was partially offset by timing differences and contracts for which we made a decision not to renew, due to changes in pricing and/or terms and conditions. Net premiums earned for the fourth quarter decreased by $46.7 million or 26% to $134.4 million. Net premiums earned for the fourth quarter of 2014 included a $45 million reserve cover, where we recorded the premiums as written and…

John Berger

Analyst

Thank you, Chris. Despite challenging reinsurance and investment market conditions, we remain confident that our total return business model will generate superior returns overtime. We have positioned the company to withstand near-term market volatility and to be one of the leading beneficiaries of any market improvement. We have written almost $2 billion of lower risk premiums since inception, built our investment portfolio up to $2.1 billion at yearend 2015 and driven our G&A expense ratio down to one of the lowest in the industry. We thank you for your time. And we'll now open the call for questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today is coming from Kai Pan from Morgan Stanley.

Kai Pan

Analyst

I have a series of questions for Dan. Dan, the market is volatile starting in 2016, do you see a recession and how do you position the portfolio?

Daniel Loeb

Analyst

Yes. Look, markets are volatile. We tried to kind of balance respect for markets in volatility and short-term losses, which something we've been doing for 20 years, which is taking advantage of these times of volatility to establish positions in situations that we think will be worth more over the long-term. So we're doing two things, one, we have hedges in place, but we've actually increased our net exposure over the course of the month, as some of these sellouts have created silly prices for securities and we've either added some existing positions or established a couple of new positions. So as your question about recession, look, along with the other things like China oil prices, Fed policy, et cetera, I mean, that's kind on the top of people's list as far as concerns go. We are looking at economic data. We are serving companies that are economically sensitive, and what we do see is weakness in companies with cyclical exposure. And we see the obvious things, overleveraged companies in cyclical businesses that are also maybe in some peril. But as far as industrial companies, consumer companies, certainly healthcare companies, we are not seeing any sign of a recession. We see a lot of people that are on alert, but there haven't really been any signs of recession from either the economic data, the surveys or individual conversations with companies.

Kai Pan

Analyst

In such an uncertain environment, do you see more or less opportunities for corporate activists?

Daniel Loeb

Analyst

It's an interesting question. We have not undertaken any new activist opportunities, but I think what's happening actually is a lot of companies have undertaken the sorts of operational improvements and more rational capital structure moves, that is making it -- I think that's making it more difficult for activists, because you don't have as many blatantly underperforming companies, because boards are holding the management teams more accountable, they're getting lot of pitches from bankers. So we're not seeing -- that that's not really what we're focusing on. We're really focusing on securities that are under-valued where we can make investments in the constructive and not have to take any kind of confrontational role with management teams.

Kai Pan

Analyst

It looks like there's some significant shift in terms of some of the strategy in your portfolio, for example, increase in a single-name equity shorts. I just wonder, does your investment team has experience? And also, are you adjusting the team's mindset, as well as process according to the shift in the strategies?

John Berger

Analyst

Yes, I wouldn't call this a shift in strategy at all. For people who have known me since the 90s, we have been very active short sellers for 20 years. I've personally been very active. In fact, if you look at our results going back in history, we were profitable into the mid-teens in 2000 and 2001 based on short positions that we have taken. So I wouldn't call this a new strategy. I quoted another legendary investor Julian Robertson who about a year or two said that short selling used to be a license to steal, and a couple of years ago he said, it had become a license to get hosed. I think it was an understandable sentiment. It was so expensive to short-sell. And I think as the conditions became better over the last year or so, we have increased our single name shorts, we continue to hedge the portfolio, and it has been a very good source of alpha, but also importantly, it's reduced volatility in the portfolio. And as I had said before, the value of reducing volatility aside from lowering the blood pressure of our team and our investors, is it really gives you the opportunity when you have these big sell-offs like we've had this year, and you're not doing as badly as the market or not as badly as your peers, it gives you the opportunity to, with a clear head, go in and make opportunistic acquisitions and purchases, which is exactly what we've been doing.

Kai Pan

Analyst

And then in your fourth quarter rather you mentioned some of these values, stock having hard hit. Yet I noticed that you initiated some new positions in the financials. Could you talk about it?

John Berger

Analyst

I didn't understand. We did what around financials?

Kai Pan

Analyst

You initiated some positions in financials, new positions?

John Berger

Analyst

We have one new position in an insurance company. Other than that we think that banks will continue to be somewhat challenged through no fault of their own or their management team. It's just a very difficult environment, but we purchase shares in Chubb, and we think that the merger that they just did with ACE acquiring Chubb and then taking on the name. As people come to understand the premium part of the business that they are in, and the very attractive valuation, I mean that's the kind of thing that we're doing. But we're really, as an asset class, we have not -- other than that, I can't think of any offhand, any big positions that we've added or if we added that we continue to hold.

Kai Pan

Analyst

And so last question for Dan. Do you see any opportunity here in energy and in China?

Daniel Loeb

Analyst

We do. We're watching the energy markets very, very closely. We think that the better opportunities are on the credit side than on equities. As far as discounting, potential bad news ahead, we think the equities reflect more optimism about the price. I mean, they've come in over the last weak or two, but there is two things going on equities at this point; debt, low oil prices and now the threat of equity offerings to shore up the balance sheets. So we think the more interesting way to play energy is through fulcrum securities of E&P companies, and in some of the distribution companies, if we're going to get into equities, but I don't want to get into specifics.

Kai Pan

Analyst

And in China?

Daniel Loeb

Analyst

We aren't really investing in China. We're obviously tracking what's going in China in terms of the local economy, in terms of it being an end market for many of our companies including young brands. There is serious implication for materials and for luxury companies and other companies that have end markets there, but we aren't investing directly in China. It's hard for us not having a local presence and local knowledge to invest in Chinese securities.

Kai Pan

Analyst

And I do have a few questions for John, Rob and Chris. First on the reserve charges this quarter, could you tell us little bit more detail on that? And because you have seen three quarters continuous reserve charges, I just wonder, any particular reason for those? And also are you adjusting your reserve priorities going forward?

John Berger

Analyst

Yes, Kai, we're disappointed probably this quarter more than the other quarters. The big culprit this time, we have one, workers compensation contract that over the life of it, for us, is about $160 million of premium, and we've been watching it very closely. And we've just noticed getting a handle on how the losses, the paid losses are coming in, the incurred losses, a bad trend, and so we did a really deep dive into fourth quarter and came up with our reserve conclusions. And that's the big majority of the reserve increase this time. We think we have it under control at this point. We write, as we say, a few number of big deals. And so when you get something like that happening, it's very material to us.

Kai Pan

Analyst

And then probably for Rob and Chris, so your investment leverage is now 1.5. You had talked about the comfort level probably around 1.4. So like what's your plan there? And are the ratings agencies comfortable to see that leverage going even higher?

Christopher Coleman

Analyst

So you're right, 1.5 asset leverage, that's really around the level that we expect to remain going forward. That sort of calibrated within a range that the rating agencies are very comfortable with our capital position around that asset leverage. And so we don't expect any material changes from that going forward.

Robert Bredahl

Analyst

And I would just add, Kai, that we want to keep it at that level. Our expected future results are optimized at that level. So 1.5 is what we're shooting for.

Kai Pan

Analyst

Last question is, your stock trading at below 90% on book, so any thought about share repurchases?

Christopher Coleman

Analyst

Sure, Kai. I mean, we've always said that should our stock trade over a period of time below book that we would consider it. It's not something that we're planning to do currently. And really just as a reminder, we don't have excess capital within our business model. All of the assets supporting our capital are fully invested in the investment strategy at all times. And so as we look to evaluate the expected return on the capital we're holding, and yes, maybe we're trading a little bit below our book value. But at this point in time, we're happy to hold on to that capital.

Operator

Operator

Our next question today is coming from Jay Cohen from Bank of America.

Jay Cohen

Analyst

Just a quick one. First quarter '16, the year-ago quarter, you had a pretty sizeable jump in premiums. And are we facing sort of a similar situation, where it's a pretty tough comp as we look at '16 versus '15 first quarter?

John Berger

Analyst

Jay, it's still early in the first quarter. The activity has been good. We don't expect anywhere near the drop-off we had in the fourth quarter. The fourth quarter was no surprise to us. We said we had about a $100 million of renewal business, some of it renewed, some of it didn't. We got new business in to keep it at about that $100 million. So the fourth quarter wasn't a surprise. We do not expect anywhere near that kind of drop-off during the remainder of the year.

Jay Cohen

Analyst

And then, I guess, back to the fourth quarter, obviously, it was a tough comp. Outside of that, that obvious headwind you faced, what kind of new business where you able to put on the books?

Christopher Coleman

Analyst

Jay, there's no new businesses in the fourth quarter of 2015. And really the drop-off, again, as John said, it was really more timing differences, where we had some deals which hit bound in Q4 '14, which actually had January 1, 2014 effective date, but we didn't find the deals until the fourth quarter. And as those deals then came up for renewals in '15, they were bound in the first quarter of 2015. So we had that timing difference.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is coming from Meyer Shields from KBW.

Meyer Shields

Analyst

A few question for John, if I can. AIG has talked about running off some lines of business and buy more quota share reinsurance. I was wondering if you could talk about how you see that affecting both the reserve cover market and the overall, I guess, supply of quota share reinsurance premiums?

John Berger

Analyst

I'm not sure it has any affect on the reserve covers, I think, as I understand their strategy, and we've yet to see anything come out of that. It's on quota shares going forward. It's going to be interesting to see how they execute that. Years, years ago, they were big buyers of quota shares on profit centers. And in prior companies, at the right time, they were terrific deals for reinsurers. And a big part of that was, because AIG's expense ratio was so low that you could pay them a reasonable override and still have a very attractive combined ratio, again, at the right time, like it would be AIG Aviation or in their energy book or various casualty lines. Now, it looks like it's a strategy of that reinsurers will write anything, let's see if we can put some underperforming businesses out there and see if companies will bite on it, and possibly companies such as ourselves that have a different investment strategy. So I think it remains to be seen what impact that will have and how many reinsurance companies truly view that as an opportunity. But as I said before, we've yet to see anything, any opportunities come out of that statement.

Meyer Shields

Analyst

Second question. As we look at sort of 1/1 renewals, is there an overall -- are you still seeing an overall trend of rising fees and commissions on the quota share side?

John Berger

Analyst

That has been relentless. Yes.

Meyer Shields

Analyst

So getting worse year-over-year compared to 1Q '15.

John Berger

Analyst

Yes.

Operator

Operator

This does conclude our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn floor back over to Mr. Berger for any further closing comments. End of Q&A

John Berger

Analyst

Well, we thank you for dialing in. And we'll talk to you in about three months.