Lance Uggla
Analyst · Macquarie. Your line is open
No. I think that’s -- so when you say transaction, if you’re referring to processing, we process a whole bunch of different assets. We process credit derivatives, interest rate derivatives, equity derivatives, FX and loans. So those are the things we process. So rates rising generally means a slowdown for a period of the rise, the volatility in the loan markets. So that will lower the output of our processing and we get paid per trade. So we don’t care about the size of the volume. We just care about the number of transactions and that’s quite a nice business model, because -- the next part of the financial market is the interest rate derivative market, where we’re the biggest player in the marketplace globally covering every single market. And what’s interesting in tough times, interest rate derivatives volatility means lots of small trades. And that bode well. So post ‘08 actually saw positive strong increases. So, I look at interest rates in a volatile market, Brexit, trade wars, rising interest rates, building walls, whatever we’re doing, the fact is that interest rate derivatives can have higher volumes. Lack of liquidity in credit markets bodes well for CDX as a hedge, which is our main index. We’ve partnered with ICE on non-exchange contract and we have a full JV with ICE and that bodes well in this environment. Equity derivative, smaller business, it’s probably insignificant in the analysis. And then FX has actually been a growth business for us, because we’re a new player coming in, we’re booking up pre and post trade flows for Tier 2 banks and that bodes well in terms of revenue growth and volatility clearly helps FX markets. So that’s why I said today, really when you judge that this year in financial services, take a close look at recurring revenue and see if we’re hitting our goals on recurring. On non-recurring, your guess is as good as mine. I think plus 2%, minus 2% could be an equal guess. And it's a $170 million out of $1.5 billion, $1.6 billion in Financial Services. And so, therefore it’s not going to really drive the 4% to 6% or 6% to 8% with Ipreo in Financial Services. I have to focus also going back to Andrew Steinerman’s question which was the right one, how's your capital market Ipreo business going to be impacted? Well there is a transactions component in the equity space and that's very subscriptions-oriented, that business. So it's not -- it doesn't have a high kind of plus, minus range but it has a plus, minus range. And if you model it off of the least deals done since 2008 year, we can accept that and we can see the overall picture fitting in within our guidance. So that's our view, if you're talking about transactions in the financial markets. Thank you. Next question?