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Sony Group Corporation (SONY)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 4, 2020

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Unknown Executive

Management

It is now time for us to start Sony Corporation's Fiscal Year 2020 First Quarter Earnings Briefing Session. I will be acting as the emcee. My name is Kato from Corporate Communications department. This briefing is held for the media, analysts and institutional investors who we have notified in advance. The audio and presentation materials can be viewed on our website. Today, first of all, from the Executive Deputy President and CFO, Hiroki Totoki, we will give an explanation on consolidated financial results for FY 2020 Q1 and the forecast for FY 2020 and then have a question-and-answer session. It should last approximately 70 minutes. Totoki-san, please.

Hiroki Totoki

Management

Today, I would like to begin by addressing the operating environment surrounding Sony. The spread of the new coronavirus disease, an increase in geopolitical risks such as the tension between the United States and China and the frequent occurrence of natural disasters in recent years are just a few of the things that are fundamentally changing society and economy as well as people's values and lifestyles in a variety of ways, and these changes will not be limited to short term and they are difficult to predict. And there's a saying that it's not the strongest of the species that survives nor the most intelligent, but rather the one most adaptable to change. Sony intends to adapt flexibly to the changes in the environment and increase the focus with which we manage each of our businesses. The fiscal year ending March 31, 2021, or fiscal year '20 is an important year in which we expect to both recover from the impact of the spread of COVID-19 and formulate a strategy to address the business environment in the aftermath of the spread of the virus. We tend to improve the resilience of the Sony Group by leveraging our advantage, which is the diversity of our personnel and businesses adapt to changes and convert the crisis into an opportunity. Now I will explain the following. Fiscal '20 first quarter consolidated sales increased 2% compared to the same quarter of the previous fiscal year to JPY 1.9689 trillion, and consolidated operating income slightly decreased to JPY 228.4 billion from the same quarter of the previous year, which is a record high. Income before income taxes increased JPY 88.9 billion to JPY 319.9 billion, partially due to an improvement in unrealized gains on securities investments in other income and expenses. Net income attributable to…

Unknown Executive

Operator

That was Totoki, Executive Deputy President and CFO. And from about 4:25, we will be conducting Q&A. The first 20 minutes will be dedicated to questions from the media and the following 20 minutes will be questions from the sell-side analysts. [Operator Instructions] And those of you who have not registered in advance, you will be able to listen to the Q&A via webcast. Kindly wait a little while longer before we resume.

Unknown Executive

Operator

Thank you for your patience. We will now start the Q&A session with the media. The respondents are Executive Deputy President and CFO, Hiroki Totoki; Senior Vice President in charge of Corporate Planning and Control, Finance and IR; Naomi Matsuoka; VP, Senior General Manager, Corporate Communications Department, Mami Imada. [Operator Instructions] Now we will start the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] So I'd like to take the first question. [ Inomata-san ] from NHK.

Unknown Attendee

Analyst

[ Inomata ] is my name. Am I coming through?

Unknown Executive

Operator

Yes, we can hear you.

Unknown Attendee

Analyst

Two questions. Firstly, the full year forecast that you're announcing this time, the slow recovery will start from the coronavirus situation in the second half, is that your assumption? Can you tell us more about this? And also the second question is you're preparing for the launch of PlayStation 5, but will we be in time for a launch if you've been affected by the situation?

Unknown Executive

Operator

Thank you for the question. Firstly, concerning the full year forecast, the impact of the coronavirus assumptions, what are they, was the question. The earnings announcement we made in May, we used a general assumption for the whole company and did some simulation exercise. At this time, all the business segments have come up with their own figures and assumptions. And because businesses are all different and geographic areas are different, the nature of business is different this time, so we do not have a unified assumption for the group. And they are probably the most likely scenario that can be contemplated at this time. And your second question about PS5 preparations, is there any impact on the production. As things stand now, toward the holiday season, production is proceeding smoothly. And with regard to development of the game software, the first-party studio as well as third-parties through their business, as again, as things stand now, there are no major issues or problems that are planned at this point in time. Thank you.

Unknown Executive

Operator

I'd like to move on to the next question. From Nikkei, Shimizu-san, please? Kosuke Shimizu;Nikkei: Yes. I am Shimizu from Nikkei newspaper. I have 2 questions regarding image sensors. There is a trade friction between U.S. and China, so there is a restriction of Huawei. So you said that the sensor forecast is going to come down in terms of sales. So what is the impact of this bilateral relationship? And secondly, as your future policy for Huawei, the risk for Huawei, I think it's going to remain. But are you going to make any changes to your partners? Do you have any policies regarding your partnership for supply -- in the supply chain?

Unknown Executive

Operator

Thank you for your question. For image sensor, for the full year, what is the reason for the decrease in sales and also -- and the second question is related to the supply chain. So first of all, for a specific company, I refrain from making any comments. So I do hope that you would accept and understand. But having said that, currently, the business environment surrounding us is deteriorating because of COVID-19, especially the high-end smartphone market is contracting and that is going -- shifting towards mid- and low-end zones, that's the volume zone now. I think that is a change that is taking place currently. And also, secondly, the friction between the U.S. and China, there is an impact from that. So from a risk perspective, our customer base needs to be expanded and diversified, and we will continue to focus on that customer base aspect.

Unknown Executive

Operator

Now going on to the next question, please. From Toyo Keizai, [ Takahashi-san ].

Unknown Attendee

Analyst

I am [ Takahashi ] from Toyo Keizai. So first question, about Game & Network Services. One quarter profit is JPY 124 billion, which I think is quite high. And what about the contributing factors? Can you give me some details? Sales, JPY 600 billion in '19 Q3, end of the year, I think there are those factors, the holiday season. But compared to Q3, to what extent -- well, profit is much bigger and maybe it has to do with advertising. So what is the change is what I want to know? That's the first question.

Unknown Executive

Operator

If you have 2 questions, can you ask the second one, too?

Unknown Attendee

Analyst

Yes. Second question, about sensors. So high-end smartphones, there's a shift to low- and mid-range smartphones and that has impacted profit, you said. If it's this year, 5G smartphones are going to increase. So I'm wondering if high end is going to be weaker, just a general feel? So can you explain what's happening in a little more detail? That's my second question. Those are my 2 questions.

Hiroki Totoki

Management

Thank you for those questions. So Games in the first quarter, the high profit and the factors behind that is I think what you are asking. Compared to the third quarter, you said the third -- well, comparison with the third quarter is quite difficult. So compared to the year-on-year, if I may explain year-on-year, then we can say that due to COVID, there is the stay-at-home demand. And for fourth quarter, new titles had an impact. So add-on and other software sales were contributing. And the first-party and third-party titles were both doing well. First-party, The Last of Us Part II, as I said before, is a big hit. And that's with regards to Games. About sensors, changes in the market and how are the changes occurring. For one thing, all over the world, there is poor sense in the market, deterioration of the market, and that is impacting the sensor sales. And also, the higher-priced products, well, it's, you could say, shifting to the moderate -- more moderate-priced models overall. So for our image sensors, especially the high-end image sensors that we sell, the high-end models are decreasing in sales. So that's impacting our business. That's all.

Unknown Executive

Operator

Thank you. The next question. Nagumo-san from Nikkei Asian Review. Nagumo-san, please? Jada Nagumo;Nikkei Asian Review: About image sensors. The first question is, you talked about sales decline with high-end models in the industry, image sensing industry. What do you say are the long-term changes? What are the short-term changes? Can you talk to us about the difference? And the second question also about I&SS. You'll be selective of R&D topics. Can you be more concrete and specific about that?

Unknown Executive

Operator

Thank you for the questions. The long-term versus short-term changes, you requested, what are our views. But currently, I think the -- whatever we see now, we don't consider to be a long-term trend because at a certain time, this impact of the coronavirus will somehow be absorbed, so that the smartphone market as a whole is not declining all that large. So the transition or the shift we're seeing currently is only temporary, we believe. But though they are temporary, for this year and for the next year, more mid- to low-end products will sell. That's for sure. Therefore, image sensors most optimal for that level of products would have to be our production. We have to make that switch. And with that, there will be a change. Because there is a change in product mix, we have to make adjustments in our strategy and modify our production strategy. But as far as a large trend is concerned, the phones -- smartphones going larger and using multiple lenses, that will continue. The performance of -- for the cameras required for smartphones, for video and the camera photos, the demand for the higher quality will continue. Therefore, we believe the demand should come back sometime in the future.

Unknown Executive

Operator

Next question will be the last because we are running out of time. Nishida-san, a freelance journalist, please. Nishida Munechika;Freelance Journalist: I am Nishida. I can hear you. Two questions. Regarding image sensors once again. This year or since last year, there are increasing number of lenses and that is favorable for Sony, as you have been stating. But you said that high-end models are coming down. So the trend for multiple lenses, is it slowing down temporarily? Or when you're moving towards the mid- and low end, it's still multiple lenses? Could you talk about that? Second question, regarding EP&S business or segment. You are in the recovery phase already, as you said. But especially, which is the genre in the market and geographical area that is having difficulties? And also, which are the product areas and the geographical areas that are doing favorably?

Unknown Executive

Operator

Thank you. Regarding your first question, so multiple lenses is a positive for us. Well, high-end and mid- and low-end markets, what is the trend in terms of multiple lenses? In the mid- and low-end markets, there is no change in the trend for increased number of lenses. There are multiple image sensors used in the mid- and low-end models as well, and that trend has not changed that much. And for EP&S -- and also larger size, the trend has not changed. For EP&S, the areas that is having difficulties? Well, okay, let me talk about the area where there is a recovery already being observed. First of all, U.S., Europe and Japan -- well, Japan is doing very well. So those areas, it is in the recovery phase. And also in Asia and Latin America, there is a slow recovery. So emerging market is having a little bit of a struggle. And by product, TV, because of the stay-at-home demand, I think there is a very good appetite for demand for TVs. But the Digital Imaging is where there's a difficulty or challenge. But in May, we had a forecast at the time, but compared to that, the recovery itself is much faster. So we have hopes for the future. That is all. Thank you.

Unknown Executive

Operator

Our time is now up, and therefore, we would like to close the session for media. [Operator Instructions] And now we will have to change the respondents. And therefore, we will start the analyst session at 4:50, kindly wait a little while. [Break]

Sadahiko Hayakawa

Analyst

Thank you for your patience. We will now start the questions from the sell-side analysts. I will be acting as the emcee. I am Hayaka, in charge of IR. The respondents are Executive Deputy President and CFO, Hiroki Totoki; Senior Vice President in charge of Corporate Planning and Control, Finance and IR, Naomi Matsuoka; Senior Vice President, Senior General Manager, Global Accounting Division, Hirotoshi Korenaga. [Operator Instructions] Now we will start the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] Hayada-san from JPMorgan, please.

Junya Ayada

Analyst

Hayada is my name, JPMorgan. Two questions, please. Firstly, concerning Games, in the first quarter, the third-party software and so microtransactions, they did very well for what reasons? And so talk about the momentum. For instance, June PlayStation's sales and so Fortnite events, these sort of onetime events, were they the factors that pushed the results up? Or was there also a significant stay-at-home impact as well? So your sales were up. It may be difficult to break them down, but again, do you think that these results in the first quarter will continue with the impact in the second quarter and onward? And secondly, about again, image sensors. Mr. Totoki earlier was talking about the second -- toward the second half of next year would like to put the business back to the path for profit growth. But to the extent that you can, what will be the assumptions that are required for you to be able to return to the path for growth, in essence to be more profitable? The -- except that the market return with the strength of 5G and also high-end smartphone demand, do you think will return and come back in the second half of next year? Are they the requisite conditions or increasing the share and also reducing the cost structure? Are they factors enough for you to be more profitable next year? In other words, by making yourselves leaner, do you think you'll be able to return to profitability -- better profitability?

Unknown Executive

Operator

Thank you for the questions. First point, concerning the first question is about the impact in the Game business. The first quarter -- the first-party, third-party and there's a significant impact of the stay-at-home demand. Particularly, we had a good result in April. After May, it's been more normalized, but still, compared to last year, in the same period last year basis, activity has been very high. And in the first quarter, we're lucky to have strong first-party titles. And third-party free-to-play titles, also because of those events held, they were very active as well. I think those were the factors. But breaking this down will be rather difficult, but I hope you will understand. But the image sensors, second half next year will be the time for profit growth. Yes, that's -- we are in pursuit. But beyond second half next year, in terms of that time frame, currently, especially there's a slowdown in the high-end smartphones, but taking that long-term view, I think this trend will slow down. And another point is, currently, at this point in time, mainly with the Chinese customers, they have a large inventory and inventory adjustment will happen. That's one aspect that's been affecting our results this year.

Sadahiko Hayakawa

Analyst

I'd like to move on to the next question. Nishimura-san from Crédit Suisse, please.

Mika Nishimura

Analyst

I have a question, 2 questions regarding image sensors. For image sensor, the production capacity and the capacity factor, and also the projection for second quarter, please give them. And then for this fiscal year, the operating income was decreased. But what was the impact of the capacity factor of the production facility? Second question in Image Sensing, mobile sensing, you were not able to grow as much as you expected. So I think year-on-year, you are expecting a decrease in sales. So is it just a delay? Or is it the user's design is demanding you to review or revisit your plans? Could you tell me about that?

Unknown Executive

Operator

So first of all, regarding image sensor, the capacity and the capacity factor and the second quarter. So the capacity for this quarter, for fiscal 2020 at the end of first quarter, and that's -- that's 133,000 per month at the master price; and also at the end of second -- of the second quarter, 135,000 per month. So we will gradually increase the capacity. That's our plan. And also, the number of wafers to be input. The first quarter the actual figure is -- the average of 3 months is 126,000 for mobile and also for digital camera, and there were some adjustments made for production. And also for the projection for second quarter for that, the simple average for 3 months is 112,000. So for mobile and digital camera, I think there's going to be more production adjustment. And then, well, for Sensing segment, the sales is expected to come down, and what is the magnitude of the impact? Well, last year, actual was a little over of JPY 230 billion and it's a strong JPY 230 billion. So generally, it's like 1/3 of that is the reduction in sensors or sensing products. That's 1/3. So a big point about that is that as of last year, we thought that the growth can be expected. So we made the capital investment and also we have increased our R&D expenditures. And that has been the impact. That is all.

Sadahiko Hayakawa

Analyst

Next question from Morgan Stanley, Ono-san.

Masahiro Ono

Analyst

Now the first question is about Games. And second question is about Pictures. Now Games, naturally, there's the PS5 and I don't think you'll give us any details. But from before, when you give guidance on Games, about the PS5 price is not announced then you give some guidance. There are a number of scenarios and the highest probability one, the most likely would be looked at. And so this fiscal year, in your plan towards best estimation in coming up with a range for price or for volume quantities, what kind of range do you have in your plans to the extent that you can give us a hint? I would appreciate that. Second question about Pictures. So the article release, there will be impacts over the next 2 to 3 years, as you mentioned. But what I want to ask you -- so these are negative factors. But on the other hand, for example, the digital percentage will go up or there will be upside maybe on the TV side. So in this segment, the risk/reward in terms of profit level in the next 2 to 3 years with the downside risk of theaters, what kind of changes do you see? For example, strategically that you could raise the weight of digital and the risk/reward upside may not change that much or it will? So if you could give me your comments on these points.

Unknown Executive

Operator

Thank you for the questions. First of all, games. This fiscal year, the key points of our plan, I think that's what you're asking. And to the extent that I can talk about it, I will. That is first quarter, very strong results. Second quarter and onwards, stay-at-home demand will settle down to an extent. That's how we view it. And also, PS5 introduction, marketing expenses, certain expenses will be incurred. That would be an assumption. But with regards to the volume and price, right now, I cannot talk about that. So you have upside and risk both sides. But at this point in time, we feel that this balance is good and we show a plan based on that. And as for Pictures, I think what you're asking is, well, the theaters are shut down and you have that impact and then there's possibilities of digital shifting. OTT players do have strong demand for content. So putting that into consideration, what is the view is, I think, what you are asking and that will be explained by Matsuoka-san. So as you say, right now there is the impact of coronavirus, so that in terms of production and releases, there is an impact in Pictures. But naturally, TV programs, well, there, there is a good demand continuing. And so we are an independent studio, and therefore, when responding to that kind of good demand, then the large movies, the release is being delayed and we believe we can catch up through the TV side and then we will look at COVID spread situation. And in order to maximize value, see what should be the release and what should be the sales, what would be best. So strategically -- by responding strategically, we would be able to respond to downside risk to an extent and we want to maximize value and profit by doing so.

Sadahiko Hayakawa

Analyst

I'd like to proceed to the next question. Nakane-san from Mizuho Securities.

Yasuo Nakane

Analyst

Nakane speaking. Can you hear me?

Sadahiko Hayakawa

Analyst

Yes.

Yasuo Nakane

Analyst

Right. Two questions about sensors. Firstly, the second half operations, Totoki-san said the operation will be lower in the second quarter (sic) [ second half ] because there -- but are you increasing strategic inventory? As that happens, June inventory was 200 -- 2,000 strong. And what are the inventory in the second quarter? Can you give you some assumptions? And secondly, in relation to Ayada-san's question earlier. You would like to return to profitability second half next year, but Totoki-san said the high-end model slowdown will stop and also inventory adjustment by Chinese customers also be over by then so demand will be more -- brighter by that time. Next year, is your assumption that the capacity will not increase or the capacity will increase going forward next year? And also about the cost, I think the cost to increase to contain depreciation, so what are the measures for you to increase the profitability of the cost?

Unknown Executive

Operator

Two questions received about the sensors and second half operations, so inventory to the end of the year and operation status at the end of the year. Speaking about inventory situation, firstly, in the first quarter 2,900 swing -- strong, 2,900-strong was the level of inventory we had. But at the end of the year, I think there will be a slight increase on top of this. That's assumption. But the level of operations, a little bit less than 90% is the level of operation that we are assuming now. That's related to what I said earlier about increase in inventory. The profitability return in the second half, what are the assumptions? Well, is the assumption to see increasing capacity? Yes, a slight increase is within assumptions. But the timing of increasing of the capacity, I mentioned that in our speech, but we have to observe the demand situation going forward to adjust with which timing we should increase, at which timing we should operate capacity. But basically, please, I think that our capacity will increase.

Sadahiko Hayakawa

Analyst

Thank you. We have time constraint. So the next question will be the last one. Katsura-san from SMBC Nikko Securities.

Ryosuke Katsura

Analyst

Katsura speaking. Two questions. First one, in EP&S segment and I'm sure the details will be given in the briefing separately. But in the presentation material, you had the unit sales volume in the forecast and I think the impact of COVID-19 is coming down. But if you look back at first quarter, compared to your expectations, how was it in reality and also going forward? I think you have JPY 25 billion for budget, so do you have any other comments that you can add to that? And also, Slide 24, regarding capital allocation and you gave us an update. And JPY 1-point trillion or more of strategic investment, which one -- how much have you executed so far? And what is the remaining amount? If you could share the breakdown of that strategic investment.

Unknown Executive

Operator

Thank you for the question. Your first question in EP&S segment first quarter and I tried to summarize that quarter. Well, there was some initial simulation that we have done in May, so it's difficult to be accurate in making comparison. But it was much less predictable in May. So based on that simulation in May, actual performance of first quarter was much better, especially for TV, because of the demand for stay at home. Actually, the recovery pace was much better than we expected. So basically, the online sales was increasing. And also, once the stores were opened, the merchandise would be sold. So for the first quarter, it was actually difficult to sell. We were short of inventory. So it was actually very good. But for digital allocation, most recently, there is a good recovery. So I think if you compare to Lehman Brothers situation or compared to that time at least, the situation is very different and I think the recovery is much faster. That is my impression. However, regarding restructuring, we want to strengthen our financial status. So regardless of how we are going to prioritize ups and downs, I think we want to be resilient in what we do. And also, regarding the capital allocation that you were asking about, so more than JPY 1.4 trillion. The ones we have executed is EMI, wholly owned subsidiary, and also SFH becoming a wholly owned subsidiary, that was JPY 400 billion. And then also in this interim period, we have already repurchased JPY 300 billion of our own shares, share buyback. So just generally speaking, so this year, JPY 300 billion is what we're expecting. But it depends on what opportunities we're able to capture. So we are flexible about exactly what we do. But today, we have made an announcement about this repurchase operation that will be maximum of JPY 100 billion.

Sadahiko Hayakawa

Analyst

Thank you. It is now time to close this briefing session on earnings for the first quarter of fiscal 2020. Thank you for your participation. [Statements in English on this transcript were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]