Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the First Quarter 2013 Sonoco Earnings Conference Call. My name is Philip, and I will be your operator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host for today, Mr. Roger Schrum, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Affairs. Please proceed, sir.

Thank you, Philip. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Sonoco's 2013 First Quarter Earnings Investor Call. This call is being conducted on April 18, 2013. Joining me today are Jack Sanders, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Barry Saunders, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. A news release reviewing the company's first quarter financial results was issued before the market opened today and is available on our Investor Relations section of our website at www.sonoco.com. In addition, we will refer to a presentation that is posted on the investor site during the call. Let me briefly remind you that today's call may contain a number of forward-looking statements that are based on current expectations, estimates and projections. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties. Therefore, actual results may differ materially. Additional information about factors that could cause different results and information about the use by the company of non-GAAP financial measures is available in today's news release and on the company's website. With that, I'll turn it over to Barry Saunders.

Thank you, Roger. I will begin on Slide 3, where you see that this morning, we reported first quarter 2013 earnings per diluted share on a GAAP basis of $0.47 and base earnings of $0.50. This compares to base earnings of $0.52 for the same period last year. These results were at the low end of our previously issued guidance of $0.50 to $0.54 per share. Before reviewing the base P&L for the quarter, I will mention that a reconciliation of GAAP to base earnings is in today's press release and on our website and summarized on this slide. The difference between GAAP and base is due to restructuring charges and the impact of the devaluation in Venezuela. Restructuring charges were right at $4 million on a pretax basis related to the decision to close 2 plants and the balance of the charges related to previously announced actions. We also had just under $1 million charge related to the devaluation on assets in Venezuela. Turning to Slide 4, you find the base P&L where you see sales were $1,179,000,000, which represented a 2.7% decline over the prior year, driven by lower consumer volume, which I will elaborate on when reviewing the sales bridge. Gross profit was $205.7 million, which was $11.1 million lower than last year, driven by the lower consumer volume and higher cost, including a $2 million LIFO adjustment. This resulted in our gross profit margin dropping to 17.4% from 17.9% last year. Selling and administrative expenses and other charges were $119.1 million, which was $3.5 million lower due to some fixed cost reductions in some of our businesses, as well as lower management incentive accruals for the annual and long-term plans. Thus, EBIT was $86.6 million, which was down $7.7 million or 8% from last year, and…

Thanks, Barry. Let me provide some additional color regarding the first quarter and explain why I remain optimistic about the balance of 2013. As Barry mentioned, we face both economic and operational challenges in the quarter. In general, our tube and core operations met our expectations as the North American business continues to show strength, while our legacy European operations are facing continued weakness, offset somewhat by growth in Eastern Europe. As we enter April, volume is in good shape in North America and about the same in Europe. However, both will experience normal improvement due to seasonality. Our paper operations struggled in the first quarter. In fact, we recorded negative productivity in our U.S. and Canadian mill system due to unplanned downtime and higher maintenance cost. I am encouraged by the continued growth in our Protective Solutions molded foam operations. We dedicated a new molding foam plant in Central Mexico on March 15th, and we'll be breaking ground on another plant in the Central U.S. later this year. Both will be operational by year end. Consumer Packaging was impacted by continued soft retail sales, particularly in packaged food. We were also negatively impacted by operational issues in some of our plastics businesses that reduced revenue. Entering April, packaging volume is better, and we are improving operations and reducing costs. Our Display and Packaging results in the quarter were flat, but we continued to add new businesses -- new business. Yesterday, we announced we won significant new business with Energizer. We will be providing more -- we will be providing about $30 million primary packs covering more than 150 SKUs annually. This will include blisters, blister cards, shrink-wrapped trays and cartons. We will source much of the material through our Alloyd business. In addition, we'll be making thousands of retail…

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of George Staphos of Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Jack, I have a couple of questions to start on operations. Can you relay what you found with the mills in terms of some of the new maintenance programs that you're running? What caused the additional maintenance review? And within Plastics, you alluded a couple of times to operational issues. It sounds like one of those might have been bottlenecks arise from lack of capacity. But could you provide a bit more color on that as well? And I have a couple of follow-ons.

Okay. Well, in the mills, it really wasn't a change in a planned maintenance outage. What actually occurred is that we had a breakdown. The machine would actually break in some faction or you would have an unplanned outage. So when we went to make those repairs, we did pretty extensive root cause analysis. And then once doing that, we found that we should probably fix more than just that one isolated incident so that we can ensure our future runability is better.

Jack, just on that issue, in the third quarter you also had, as I recall, some operational issues at the mills, which were one-offs and unusual for Sonoco. Were they related problems to the third quarter issue and what you saw in the first quarter were totally different?

Totally different. What happened in the third quarter of last year was around planned outages where the entire span of that operation extended beyond the planned downtime, and we began to run into resource issues because we were overlapping planned outages.

Understood. And on Plastics?

Yes, in Plastics, we have a facility with 2 large production wheels. The initial wheel that we put in began to have throughput problems. We need to have that wheel refurbished. We're bringing up a third wheel in that operation to produce about 50 million new bottles. And that was coming up, so that wheel has gone to be able to help us produce at the current rate that we need to produce. And then we'll refurbish the third -- the first wheel so that we can now produce the original volume, plus the 50 million new units.

What do you think the operational issues between those 2 sources cost you in the quarter? If you mentioned that, I apologize for missing it.

No, I think as we look at it, I would say productivity cost is about $0.03.

Okay. All right. My other question on consumer, and I'll turn it over after this, you obviously had some things that didn't go the way you would have planned that you hope are one-off. But over -- in the last few quarters, the revenue trend, the volume trend, the margins haven't -- I would expect not been where you necessarily would have thought they'd be. Do you -- I know you've won some business recently, which, I guess, validates in your view the one Sonoco model. But can you comment how you think you are specifically getting paid for having the very diverse consumer portfolio that you have? And can you provide a specific mile marker or guidepost when we should see 10% margins in that business, both in terms of a quarter and on a sustained basis going forward?

Well, I certainly think that we can show that we're getting paid to new volume that we're gaining and new volume that we're gaining across the portfolio that we would not have had, of course, if we just had, let's say, composite cans. As far as margins, I certainly think price/cost was a negative impact in the margin this quarter, as well as those productivity issues I talked about and then, of course, volume. You put volume back at normalized level, we got a price increase in the market that's going to have a significantly positive impact and bring our productivity back to normal, all of a sudden margins are 10%.

Your next question comes from the line of Chip Dillon from Vertical Research.

First question is on -- just was thinking about the volume comments in the Consumer Packaging division. You mentioned that sort of the volumes were down across the board. I know you've touched on that. But would you say -- how would you sort of look at that in terms of the share of food that's going into your packaging perhaps being lost versus the whole market maybe being lower and that's, of course, making a bigger statement about the food industry?

Well, it's less about the share of the market going into our packaging and more about the share our customers have in that particular product. And I think that, that's what you -- that's what we are seeing. And our customers, by the way, are telling us that they expect improved volumes as the year goes on. They expect it to accelerate through the course of the year, and these are our customers using our packaging.

Got you. Okay. And then you mentioned the benefit you would get. I guess it's a tax credits. Was that something -- could you just elaborate, I guess, going into the project? Was that a tax benefit you knew about and expected all along? Or is that something that kind of either came into legislation after you planned it or it was discovered later?

Chip, this is Barry. No, we were well aware of the credit and certainly considered that in our decision to move forward with the project. And the only new news is the fact that rather than having to wait until the project is completed and getting the credit back in 2014, we've actually been able to accelerate the recognition of that and bring it forward into '13.

Got you. And I guess the last question would be, when you look at your footprint right now and as time goes on, you probably are finding ways to enhance productivity. Do you -- will we hear more, you think, later in the year or maybe next year about anything significant in terms of perhaps finding ways you can enhance productivity by shifting your footprint around or maybe shutting some facilities and consolidating the production into others?

Simple answer, yes. We had 2 closures in this quarter, Brecon and Chattanooga, and we are going to continue to look at this footprint and optimize this footprint and not even inside businesses but perhaps even across businesses. So ensuring we are a low cost producer across all of our product lines is critically important to us, and we are going to continue to do that. Now having said that, I don't expect a massive restructuring. But there are opportunities, and we're going to take advantage of them.

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Gaffner from Barclays.

Just 1 more quick question on the productivity and the mill system. Has the new management team that you put in place, have they gone mill by mill and sort of looked at all the equipment that you have and maybe identified a bigger and broader maintenance schedule that stretches over either this year or maybe even to next year so that we could preemptively catch some of these issues? Is that part of the plan?

Exactly. It is a preventive maintenance schedule that will help ensure uptime increases as we move forward.

Okay. And you noted in the consumer business, I think you said you were looking to get some price there. Can you tell us where those price -- where you are getting price currently?

Currently, it's in composite cans and in the plastics. Recouping a lot of the plastics is contractual, and composite cans is contractual, as well as general increase.

Okay. And your forecast for resin for that business for the balance of the year?

Flat to trending down.

Okay. All right. And just lastly, on OCC, it seems you're saying $120 per ton, I think, is about what your forecast for the balance of the year. What gives you confidence that, that's going to be the number for the balance of the year?

I was right in the first quarter. Well, everything that we see, everything that we hear would suggest that there's going to be on normal seasonality to OCC. And it should follow a traditional pattern, probably creep up as we approach the summer and then tail off toward the end of the year. China, the issue right now is what they call the green sense certainly is impacting it, but they'll be back in the market. They have to be at some degrees so -- but we don't see a supply-demand imbalance.

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Wilde from Deutsche Bank.

I want to a question about that weakness that you reported in the retail security product. I think you said Alloyd was down about 9%. Is that -- is there anything structural going on there? I think that over time, there's been a lot of conversations about sort of alternatives to clamshells. And I didn't know where that 9% drop marked some of kind of movement away from the clamshell.

No, but we did see would be weakness across the entire top 10 customer base. They -- and when we say weakness, really it's a delay in the launch. They decided to push back some launches, and we expect really to see some of them occur now in the second quarter that would have normally occurred in the first. So we don't see that. I do want to remind you that at the end of -- before we bought Tegrant, they lost the Energizer business. Well, we just got it back, so that will be a positive impact on that business. Mark, one other thing I'd like to take the opportunity to point out, I know margins were a question on the Protective Solutions side. If you took Alloyd out, that EBIT margin was about 8.5%, so we were pleased with that.

And do you feel like, Jack, like you're still on target for your EBIT objectives in protective packaging?

We are. I think fixing the Alloyd situation will be critical to doing that. But once done, yes, I do.

Okay. And is there any way to kind of put any numbers around what this big Energizer win might mean for you just in terms of just revenues over time?

It's hard because the scope of the project is so significant. Right now, we think the entire scope is some probably around $20 million-ish across the entire business. That's not just blisters though, that's the entire packaging.

Yes, because you're doing kind of the primary pack and then you're doing the display pack along with it.

Correct.

Okay. All right. And then I guess the last question I had is just back on this OCC. I mean, if economic activity is picking up, wouldn't you expect those OCC prices to just start to rise a little more cyclically?

Yes, and that's really what I was trying to convey, to see a normal seasonality to OCC rising through the summer but then dropping during the third and then the fourth quarter. That's what I meant to convey.

Your next question comes from the line of Ghansham Panjabi from Robert W. Baird. Matthew R. Wooten - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: It's Matt Wooten sitting in for Ghansham today. I was hoping that you guys could comment on inter-quarter trends. Our sense is that both consumer and industrial were okay through January and February before dropping off in March. And if that is the case, how much did weather impact the consumer consumption trends?

Well, obviously, that's hard for me to say. I can say that certainly the colder winter impacted segment of the composite can business known as powdered beverage. It's primarily cold drinks, and so there's not a lot of cold drinking going on in the snow. So I think that's part of it. As far as how it unfolded in the quarter, it started slow and then -- it started slow in January, kind of rebounded a little bit in February and then flattened out probably a little bit in March. I would say that's about the best I can give you on it. Matthew R. Wooten - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Okay. And then back to productivity for a second. What are your expectations for the full year 2013, given the tough first quarter?

Say that again? Matthew R. Wooten - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: What are your expectations for productivity for the full year of 2013?

I would expect our productivity to come back to historic levels for the second, third and fourth quarter.

Your next question comes from the line of Phil Gresh of JPMorgan. Phil M. Gresh - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: I just want to follow up to your response to Chip's question about the food volumes. So if I were to look at like the Nielsen data as a proxy, it looks like food inflation has been coming down and food volumes have been improving. But you were talking about kind of generally more sluggish trends, and you mentioned your customers. So I guess, were you saying your customers have been losing share relative to the industry? Or I guess, what kind of read do you have about how your volume performance has been relative to the overall industry data using Nielsen as a proxy?

Yes, I would tell you that our customers for the products we package have been lagging that Nielsen data, but they are again telling us that they expect it to catch up and accelerate for the products that they -- that we package for them to the balance of the year. To come more in line with Nielsen data. Phil M. Gresh - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Sorry?

To come more in line with the Nielsen data. Phil M. Gresh - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Got it. And then with the price increases that you were talking about, the general increases on composite cans, maybe you could just give a little color about what your operating rates are like in that business, how full you are running? Because you've had volume declines for about 7 straight quarters. So I was just kind of wondering, given those volume trends, what gives you the confidence that you'll be able to get some general price increases through that aren't just the pass-through?

Well, I think, obviously in that business, we own a substantial share of that marketplace. The cost increases that we're putting through were designed to recover costs that we have incurred, so we feel very confident that they will be accepted. Matter of fact, they are already out there. A lot of them are contractual, so that they're adjusted for the contract. Phil M. Gresh - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Okay. And then I guess just the last question. In the European side for industrial, if I look at the data, it seems like it softened a bit in the first quarter. I just wanted you to elaborate on that, if that's the case, particularly on the Western European side, just kind of what trends you're seeing in Western Europe right now given the macro data.

Well, certainly to the -- to what you're seeing, that's true. We did see some weakening and even in some of the stronger markets that we historically had strength, Germany, even perhaps the Nordic. I do want to reiterate that, that is offset somewhat by significant opportunities in growth in Eastern Europe. I think Russia was up 25% or significantly. And we have more opportunities to help offset the weakness in the legacy business in Europe.

Your next question comes from the line of Philip Ng from Jefferies. Philip Ng - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: It sounds like you're generally more upbeat about April from a volume trends standpoint. How much of that is seasonal? And how much of that is driven by -- you sounded pretty confident that your customers are going to see some uptick. Are you doing more promotional activity?

No, I think what we really did was take our current run rate, kind of adjust it for seasonality and new won volumes that we know about. So that's how we got to the number. Philip Ng - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: Okay, okay. So you are seeing an uptick even after accounting for seasonality in April?

Certainly on the industrial side. Philip Ng - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: Okay, that's helpful. And then from a pricing standpoint, it sounded like you're seeing better pricing in 2Q, part of that is contractual. A few of your bigger -- a few of the bigger flexible and rigid plastics packagers have been pretty vocal about pushing price more aggressively. Have you seen any real shift in behavior in the industry overall?

I would say no. But I think that on our side of the business, a lot of the increases in price for flexibles and for rigid plastics are mostly contractual. They are prearranged and there are formulas that they work from. Philip Ng - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: Okay. And then lastly, Jack, now that you're in your current position, what are some of the changes you want to implement in terms of going forward in how you run the business hopefully to reaccelerate growth and generate more capital down the road?

Well, it would take me probably the rest of the day to explain that completely. But I would tell you a big part of what we're talking about is really becoming more innovative, creative and more outwardly focused toward the customer. We're going to be doing a lot of work around that, taking some of our best and brightest and benchmarking some of the best companies in the world around innovation, as well as looking to use consumer insights to drive that innovation back to our organization. I'll be willing to talk to you about that offline in some detail about the 5 institutional capabilities we need to develop.

Your next question comes from the line of Adam Josephson from KeyBanc.

A couple of questions. One on composite cans, how would you characterize the state of conversions into and out of composite cans in North America? And what would you attribute the weakness in certain categories in the quarter to other than what happened in powdered beverages?

The conversion into and out of, Adam, I would say, is unchanged. It's not really moving a lot one way or the other. As far as the volume, it's more product line specific, it's specific to a product. For example, our coffee customer or our nut customer, our biggest -- they're just having issues with their particular brand. And so obviously that's impacting us.

Got it. I had 2 more, one on tubes and cores. To what extent do you think you're benefiting from the housing market upturn?

Well, I have say that it's certainly there. Again, we've always had difficulty quantifying that because so many different products are used in housing, and we sell it into the general industry. And what they do with it from that point is very difficult for us to track, but it's definitively there. We can definitively see the correlation.

And one last one, Jack. Your EBIT margin in the first quarter was the lowest in a first quarter since '09. How much of that do you attribute to the pass-through of higher raw material cost? How much is attributable to other factors such as lower tubes and cores volume, lower composite can volume and perhaps other factors that I haven't mentioned?

Well, I think that if we looked at it altogether, you'd have negative price/cost, you'd have negative productivity and negative volume. How you distribute it across that, I don't know, 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 maybe.

And you'd also have some higher pension cost over that period of time as well.

Sure.

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Manuel from Wells Fargo.

Just a couple of quick questions. One, when you look at -- or based on some earlier commentary that you made, it sounds like you have volumes that were maybe a little bit soft in the customer side at the beginning of business, and I think you'd signal that earlier when you gave us your annual guidance. But as the year progresses, even as these price increases and such roll through, do you think you can get back to a kind of flattish or slightly negative for the year volume outlook in the consumer business?

Absolutely. 2013, we think will be a bit opposite from 2012. We started reasonably strong in 2012 in consumer and drifted down as the year went on. We saw a continuation of that in the first quarter, and now we expect the opposite to actually begin to see a continued strengthening. That's what our customers are saying to us. As the year progresses, they expect strengthening volumes.

Okay. I guess if you could just kind of take us a walk over the course of the year and then maybe refresh what you're anticipating, consumer getting back to hopefully kind of flat over the course of the year. I believe you were -- had been anticipating that on the industrial side you would be flat, but we're already a little bit in a hole here to start the year. Are you anticipating getting back there and then as we talked to the display in the protective business as well?

I would -- Chris, I think that by the end of the year, we'll be up slightly in the consumer. And we said flat in industrial, I think that's a probability, could even slightly be up as well. It depends. Europe is an issue for us. And I mean, if you can tell me what's going to happen in Europe, then I can give you a better answer, but I can't. And then Protective Solutions, we expect to be up, of course, year-over-year.

Okay. And then I believe also in the past, you've talked about using this year your cash flow for -- to get debt down to a more targeted range. But being you were able to accelerate some of the tax benefits from your biomass boiler, is it reasonable as we sit here today to assume that you might be able to accelerate and do a little extra share repurchase this year?

Chris, like always, we will evaluate the opportunities to use cash to generate shareholder value. If share repurchase is the best alternative we have, it will certainly be on the table. I can guarantee you that.

Your next question comes from the line of Alex Ovshey from Goldman Sachs.

On the tube and cores side, can you talk about the volume trend that you experienced by end use in the quarter?

Barry has that, I think.

Yes, it's really a little bit unusual when you look at the trends by market segment because there was some share shifting going on throughout the quarter, which is often the case when we're pushing through price increases and so forth. But actually, we saw our paper mills segment up 4% year-over-year, and that was due to some share gains. But also, it's just some underlying improvement in activity in that business. Well, actually we saw film, textiles and tape and specialties down some. But again, that was primarily due to the share shift going on. Net-net, very insignificant difference in share but it did influence some of the individual segments this quarter.

And you talked about implementing higher URB prices in the market. Can you help us think about quantifying the benefit of higher URB prices? Because my understanding is that most of the tubes and core business is contractually tied back to where OCC prices are. So what's the potential benefit to the company from the higher URB prices that you're implementing in the marketplace?

Well, Alex, I want to stay away from specifics here. But let me tell you that about 60% of our tube and core business is tied to contractual arrangements. And the yield from the announced increase, let me categorize it as strong.

Okay. Got it, Jack. And last question is, you talked about what the current appetite for M&A is relative to history for the company. I didn't really hear you talk to that point much in the -- during the call so far. It seems the focus is more on continuing to bring the debt levels down potential for buying back stock. Just talk to where the appetite for M&A is right now?

Well, when the year started, our focus was clearly on paying down the debt. We have a bond that's coming due I think sometime in November -- October, November time frame. And we wanted to use the free cash flow this year to pay down that debt and get it back to the normal range for us that we feel comfortable with. Now we have some extra cash. And I would tell you that there are opportunities out there, and that we're kicking some tires on a few of them. But to the point that was made earlier or was asked about earlier, we need to ensure that any acquisition we make can generate a better return than we can do by buying back shares. So that's going to be just a filter that it goes through. I'd say the appetite for acquisitions is the same as it's always been. It has to be a solid value-generating acquisition for our shareholders.

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Al Kabili from Sonoco (sic) [Macquarie Research].

It's Macquarie. I guess, Jack, question on the productivity outlook. With the shortfall in the first quarter, how are you thinking about the remainder of the year for productivity? Do you think you can make that up relative to your original outlook? Or how -- what's the update there?

Make it up, probably not. Get it back to historic levels, absolutely.

Okay. And along those lines, too, I know you talked a lot about penetrating more in the private label side of the packaged food end market. Is this -- how does that progress you think -- how do you see that progress unfolding? Is that something that's going to -- several years out, is that something you can do a little bit, move the needle a little bit more within the next year? How should -- what are the mile markers towards that?

Well, I would tell that it's just a continual process as we move forward. I will tell you that although we saw weakness in coffee, had we not had some further penetrations of private label, it would have been even weaker. So we continue to gain some private label sales. But it's kind of a continual process as we just move forward, nothing that would be out of the ordinary to accelerate it.

Okay. Final question is on the -- I guess, on the displays business. Any read on bidding activity, whether that's appreciably picked up or backlogs? How are -- oftentimes, we kind of think of that in t he business as a little bit of a leading indicator of things. But what can you tell us on that?

We're seeing some increased activities in request for the designs and request for promotional activities. It is building.

[Operator Instructions] And we have a follow-up question from the line of George Staphos of Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

One thing I want to come back to, Jack, in consumer -- a couple of things actually. You had mentioned that this year is maybe a mirror image of last year where last year started out strongly and declined and then this year, we're starting out slowly at least in terms of your customers and building. When I look at last year's first quarter, I think composite can volumes were down a couple of percent in North America, if I remember, and here we're down a little bit in the first quarter as well. Recognizing that a lot of it you thought was your customer specific issues in the market, do you think that there is a greater secular issue within composites right now that you need to contend with, either in terms of the packages overall acceptance in the marketplace or for that matter competition, either from others who were trying to get into similar types of packages or from other substrates? Or is it pretty much status quo and actually we should get some benefit over the course of the year as the volume comes back?

Well, I think that when you look in the aggregate, the volume in composite cans is increasing. We're putting in -- we just completed and opened a new line in Malaysia. That line is coming on now. We have to add a second line in China. That line will be in probably sometime in the last half of this year. We're opening a 2-line plant in Poland, and we've been asked to look at other opportunities in Europe for additional expansion. So composite can volume in total is going to go up. Domestically, are there some shifts from formats? There have been and we've talked about them. They've been mostly in the 502 or 603 sizes. We've seen some shifts in plastics to a PIF, but we've talked about that openly. But it's not anything that would be normal -- out of the normal flow into and out of a format.

Okay. Now you mentioned the 2 lines in Poland. You also mentioned some other activity in Europe. I remember you saying that you were close to -- or had receive an award actually in Europe in composite cans. Are those openings associated with that award and can you provide a bit more detail on this? If you have in the past, I forget what you said there specifically.

I'm not sure that we've announced who we won the award from, but the opening that we're looking at is the award.

Okay. And that we'll get more color on some time in the second half, would that be fair?

As soon as our customer says it's okay.

Okay, fair enough. Lastly, as we look at how the company gets paid within consumer from all the products that you offer and the awards that you've been gaining, is your view that the awards and the new offerings that you have are actually margin-enhancing? Or should they be more or less at the average margin for the company over time relative to traditional margins in Consumer Packaging?

In aggregate, George, we think that should be slightly margin-enhancing.

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's Q&A session of the conference. I would now like to turn it back over to Robert Schrum for closing remarks.

Thanks, Philip. Sonoco expects to conduct its second quarter earnings conference call on Thursday, July 18, 2013, at 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time. We'll be sending out more details regarding the call and the timing of the release of Sonoco's second quarter financial results. And so we'll be communicating that probably a couple of weeks before the earnings actually go out. Let me again thank you all for joining us today. We certainly appreciate your interest in the company. And as always, if you have further questions, please don't hesitate to contact us. Thank you very much.